White Mexican Saul Alvarez signs with Golden Boy

[Westside]

I was hoping Shane would get the W but mayweather proved he was better. I think Floyd v Pacman will be a pick'e
fite. Now Shane will have to hear the constant whispers of the admitted PED use. Shane is old with evidence of slurring. He and Oscar must be great friends for Oscar to be quite about it.

 

[Solitario]

Not the best fight I've seen of either two (Floyd's fight are anything but exciting). I think they gutted it out for the cash.



Solid win and showing by Alvarez!


Alvarez is really good for some who's just 19/20 years old. He's really
viewed as a typical Mexican despite his Nordic looks. Danny Lopez is
clearly white despite his identification with Native American culture.

Well, Mexican is a nationality not an ethnicity..... Race can be an issue in any country, but for the most part, nationality trumps ethnicity in Mexico. It doesnt matter if the individual is white, black, brown or blue, the Mexican public will root for you enthusiastically as long as you're representing the nation. I dont know about his family's heritage, but I believe Alvarez is the only redhead of all his siblings, the rest appear like typical Spanish-Mexicans. Btw, I believe Danny Lopez was half Irish and also part Mexican along with his Native American ancestry.

Anyway, I think the HBO commentators were going overboard with the amount of praising over his performance. Lederman even went so far as to compare the 19yo to Roy Jones Jr..... Alvarez is a big attraction in Mexico and along with his potential as a fighter, they also know that he has the potential to bring in a lot of $$$, but he still has a lot to prove in order to be considered a serious threat in the welterweight division. Hopefully he learned from this fight and will continue improving.

 

[Westside]

Bro I was impressed u have remember he is one removed from high school. I sense someone trying to rain on the kid just beginning parade.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I didn't watch the Mayweather-Mosley fight but on Boxrec it states that Mayweather looked like he was going to go down in round 2.

 

[Blue Devils]

Saul has an older brother who also boxes. His name is Rigoberto Alvarez. He goes by the nickname "El Español".

Here's a picture of him

 

[Guest]

Yeah, I've seen some footage of Rigoberto. In my opinion he's a fringe prospect at best.

Saul is a way better boxer than his older brother already.

 

[jcolec02]

WOW!! this guy is really explosive, saw him fight last night on the Gayweather undercard and just went on youtube and found this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4bzGCUU90Edited by: jcolec02

 

[ww]

...
Well, Mexican is a nationality not an ethnicity..... Race can be an issue in any country, but for the most part, nationality trumps ethnicity in Mexico. It doesnt matter if the individual is white, black, brown or blue, the Mexican public will root for you enthusiastically as long as you're representing the nation...

Right, Mexico is a nation not a race. But have you ever seen Mexicans rooting for a negro? I haven't, tho I suppose they might if one of the country's tiny Negro minority were competing. But Mexico is a virtually negro-free country. When I was in Guadalajara, a vast city of over five million, the place where I think Alvarez now lives, I didn't see one single Negro. I remember seeing one Mexican down there wearing a t-shirt that said "typical black family" on it along with a picture of a bunch of slovenly negroes lying around the floor with broken liquor bottles and drug paraphernalia, in other words a typical negro family.

Most Mexicans are mestizos, that is a mixture of White and Amerindian. Mexicans don't glorify their black cannibals. You don't see any on Mexican tv, even singing and dancing. In the Guadalajara amusement park all the garbage cans are models of little African picaninnies. You toss your garbage into its "head".

10% of Mexicans are Aryan, that is pure European. Amongst the upper classes it is about 100%. My second grade teacher was a Miss Alvarez, Spanish I guess, a wonderful motherly lady, especially after that bitch from hell I had in the first grade as my shocking intro to the wonderful world of school.



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[SauSon22]

I like how white people try to claim guys as soon as they reach fame. He is Mexican. From what people tell me he is a descendant from one side of his family, from Los Altos Jalisco, an area of predominant Euro blood.

80% Euro (Mainly Spanish) 20% indigenious

Where my family is from.

I have cousin's with blue eyes and blonde hair, and I can guarantee you not one of them will tell you he is european, white, or whatever.

Nation > Race in Mexico bud. It isn't like the USA, just only in rersort towns where locals are kept out from tourist areas.

 

[Anak]

We don't live in Mexico, bud.

 

[Charles Martel]

Here's the WBC's stream of the blue-eyed Mexican's fight tonight:

WBC stream

 

[Westside]

Hey SauSon22 isn't kinda of early to start with the sarcasic tone? CFers are not claiming Saul as our own. We are noticing obvious talent for a fighter of such young age. Secondly, Saul is probably more European that indigenioius. I would say 3/4 to 1/4 Spaniard. Besides, Saul passes the eye test with flying colors.

Also, you want to state that Mexicans think of the country first, rather than ones own race which is probably true. But how do you account for the White Ruling and albeit corrupt class that calls the shots? What do they really think? Mexico uses the porus border with the States to expell/push all of its "locals" and poor, uneducated, dumb, criminal and good for nothing population here, so we can feed, cloth and provide free health care to them. Yeah, some are hard workers, but most are a frigging pain in the ass. The only group more of a pain in the ass are our "beloved affelets and their kin!"

 

[Blue Devils]

I like how people come on here & try and downplay his obvious whiteness. Anyway, Saul stopped Luciano Cuello 26-2(12) in the sixth round last night. Cuello lost a close ten round decision to Chavez Jr last year.

 

[moose]

saul looks likes he's from ireland

 

[white is right]

If Alvarez is Castizo he came out pretty much Cast and not too much stizo....

 

[jcolec02]

I wanna see a fight between Alverez and Julio Cesar Chavez Junior

 

[ww]

QUOTE=SauSon22]I like how white people try to claim guys as soon as they reach fame.

Yeah, you're right, he was a negro before he became famous.

 He is Mexican. From what people tell me he is a descendant from one side of his family, from Los Altos Jalisco, an area of predominant Euro blood.
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I believe he grew up in Guadalajara. 

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<div>80% Euro (Mainly Spanish) 20% indigenious</div>
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<div>Where my family is from.</div>
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<div>I have cousin's with blue eyes and blonde hair, and I can guarantee you not one of them will tell you he is european, white, or whatever.

So what?  They can call themselves M'buti from the Congo rain forest, but that doesn't change their race.   

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<div>Nation &gt; Race in Mexico bud. It isn't like the USA, just only in rersort towns where locals are kept out from tourist areas.

Race is race, and it doesn't matter where you are or what you call yourself.  The upper classes throughout latin america are very conscious of
race.  You won't find them mating with something out of the Kenyan
jungle like the Obamamama.

And yes, Alvarez does appear to be Irish.

One of the most famous and greatest baseball players of all time was Mexican or half Mexican, and they kept it top secret throughout his career.  Anyone know who?


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Disraeli:  "Race is the only truth.  It is the key to all civilizations.  Any race that allows its blood to be diluted with that of an inferior race is doomed."

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Edited by: ww

 

[waterbed]

I like how white people try to claim guys as soon as they reach fame. He is Mexican. From what people tell me he is a descendant from one side of his family, from Los Altos Jalisco, an area of predominant Euro blood.
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<div>80% Euro (Mainly Spanish) 20% indigenious</div>
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<div>Where my family is from.</div>
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<div>I have cousin's with blue eyes and blonde hair, and I can guarantee you not one of them will tell you he is european, white, or whatever.</div>
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<div>Nation &gt; Race in Mexico bud. It isn't like the USA, just only in rersort towns where locals are kept out from tourist areas.</div>

it's the opposite, whites do not clame fast.
only when people look totally white they are clamed as white.
this is also one of the reasons why african americans have much more admixture then white americans some look like full blooded africans and others look nearly white( multi generation mulatto) and try to speak with extreme slang to be noticed as black and white's don't claim them , some of the native american in usa look nearly white and to look more native they do good hair in the tail and whites don't claim them.

 

[waterbed]

can you mention one person that have very noticable non white admixture and is claimed as white ? compare this to 'blacks and 'natives' enough said.

 

[jcolec02]

QUOTE=SauSon22]I like how white people try to claim guys as soon as they reach fame.Yeah, you're right, he was a negro before he became famous. He is Mexican. From what people tell me he is a descendant from one side of his family, from Los Altos Jalisco, an area of predominant Euro blood.
<div> I believe he grew up in Guadalajara.  </div>
<div>80% Euro (Mainly Spanish) 20% indigenious</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Where my family is from.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I have cousin's with blue eyes and blonde hair, and I can guarantee you not one of them will tell you he is european, white, or whatever.So what?  They can call themselves M'buti from the Congo rain forest, but that doesn't change their race.    </div>
<div>Nation &gt; Race in Mexico bud. It isn't like the USA, just only in rersort towns where locals are kept out from tourist areas.Race is race, and it doesn't matter where you are or what you call yourself.  The upper classes throughout latin america are very conscious of
race.  You won't find them mating with something out of the Kenyan
jungle like the Obamamama.And yes, Alvarez does appear to be Irish.One of the most famous and greatest baseball players of all time was Mexican or half Mexican, and they kept it top secret throughout his career.  Anyone know who?wwDisraeli:  "Race is the only truth.  It is the key to all civilizations.  Any race that allows its blood to be diluted with that of an inferior race is doomed."</div>

Ted Williams

 

[Bart]

One of the most famous and greatest baseball players of all time was Mexican or half Mexican, and they kept it top secret throughout his career.  Anyone know who?

Ted Williams

To say he was part Mexican is somewhat misleading. His father was White, his mother White of Basque origen. No evidence of Mestizo or Indian blood.

http://juantornoe.blogs.com/hispanictrending/2005/10/who_was_the_fir.html

Ted's maternal grandparents were Natalia Hernandez and Pablo Venzor. The family was Basque in origin and had settled around Hidalgo del Parral and Valle de Allende in the state of Chihuahua, Mexico. Natalia and Pablo were married in 1888; as political troubles began to brew in Mexico, they joined the exodus north to Texas. Ted Williams's mother, May, was born in El Paso in 1893, one of nine children. The family migrated west to Santa Barbara.

 

[Solitario]

Actually, both of his parents were born in Mexico and only Ted's maternal grandfather was of basque descent. However, even that was diluted after a few generations in Mexico and then the U.S. Unlike the typical Mexican family, the venzors identified more with their basque heritage than their spanish heritage. That combined with the fact that ted williams looked so "all-american" may have led some journalists to incorrectly assume the family was entirely of Basque descent.

If you've seen pictures of Williams with his extended family, it's clear that the family is actually of mestizo origin. May Venzor herself wasnt particularly European looking (she had a broad nose and narrow eyes). Although, she could have probably blended in a crowd due to her lighter skin tone and the Williams last name. In his autobiography, Ted stated that he would have likely suffered discrimination if the public had been made aware of his Mexican ancestry, therefore, he went out of his way to hide that fact during his playing days. One family member described Williams going so far as to even destroy family photos. Another reason he may have been discreet about his background could be due to the fact that his mother was a bit of an eccentric who would preach about salvation in street corners and that was always a source of embarrassment for williams.

He was likely more sensitive about the issue of race as a result of his experiences. He gave that famous speech during his hall of fame induction in which he lamented over the fact that he would have been denied the opportunity to play in the majors had he been born black. He also called on the majors to recognize negro league ball players. In another incident, he wrote an editorial piece in which he lashed out and condemned a journalist who had written an article critical of the native american community. it's sort of ironic that he's often compared to John Wayne because the two couldnt be more different regarding that issue. wayne was openly critical of the civil rights movement and justified the fate of the native american population by describing it as manifest destiny

anyway, i'm not sure if williams ever came to terms with his own ancestry or if he even gave it much thought. in his 1969 biography, he vaguely described his mother as being of "french and mexican" descent. and as your link describes, during the final years of his life, he approached then red sox shortstop nomar garciaparra and told him he was mexican as well.
Edited by: Solitario

 

[Solitario]

Right, Mexico is a nation not a race. But have you ever seen Mexicans
rooting for a negro? I haven't, tho I suppose they might if one of the
country's tiny Negro minority were competing. But Mexico is a
virtually negro-free country. When I was in Guadalajara, a vast city of
over five million, the place where I think Alvarez now lives, I didn't
see one single Negro. I remember seeing one Mexican down there wearing
a t-shirt that said "typical black family" on it along with a picture
of a bunch of slovenly negroes lying around the floor with broken
liquor bottles and drug paraphernalia, in other words a typical negro family.

Most
Mexicans are mestizos, that is a mixture of White and Amerindian.
Mexicans don't glorify their black cannibals. You don't see any on
Mexican tv, even singing and dancing. In the Guadalajara amusement
park all the garbage cans are models of little African picaninnies.
You toss your garbage into its "head".

actually, there have been a few black cuban boxers that became very popular in mexico after having defected.

Edited by: Solitario

 

[ww]

Another reason that Ted Williams would have wanted his family background kept secret was his younger brother, Danny, who was his opposite and pretty much a stereotypical Chicano street bum - the works - low rider. drugs, and long criminal record.

Solitario - Are any photos of Williams' family online that you know of?

 

[white is right]

Actually, both of his parents were born in Mexico and only Ted's maternal grandfather was of basque descent. However, even that was diluted after a few generations in Mexico and then the U.S. Unlike the typical Mexican family, the venzors identified more with their basque heritage than their spanish heritage. That combined with the fact that ted williams looked so "all-american" may have led some journalists to incorrectly assume the family was entirely of Basque descent. If you've seen pictures of Williams with his extended family, it's clear that the family is actually of mestizo origin. May Venzor herself wasnt particularly European looking (she had a broad nose and narrow eyes). Although, she could have probably blended in a crowd due to her lighter skin tone and the Williams last name. In his autobiography, Ted stated that he would have likely suffered discrimination if the public had been made aware of his Mexican ancestry, therefore, he went out of his way to hide that fact during his playing days. One family member described Williams going so far as to even destroy family photos. Another reason he may have been discreet about his background could be due to the fact that his mother was a bit of an eccentric who would preach about salvation in street corners and that was always a source of embarrassment for williams.He was likely more sensitive about the issue of race as a result of his experiences. He gave that famous speech during his hall of fame induction in which he lamented over the fact that he would have been denied the opportunity to play in the majors had he been born black. He also called on the majors to recognize negro league ball players. In another incident, he wrote an editorial piece in which he lashed out and condemned a journalist who had written an article critical of the native american community.  it's sort of ironic that he's often compared to John Wayne because the two couldnt be more different regarding that issue. wayne was openly critical of the civil rights movement and justified the fate of the native american population by describing it as manifest destinyanyway, i'm not sure if williams ever came to terms with his own ancestry or if he even gave it much thought. in his 1969 biography, he vaguely described his mother as being of "french and mexican" descent. and as your link describes, during the final years of his life, he approached then red sox shortstop nomar garciaparra and told him he was mexican as well.

Williams still might not have any aboriginal ancestry. The relatives of his that have some Indian ancestry might have it from relatives that aren't biologically related to Williams. Also Basque people call themselves Basque because they have had an independence movement to separate from Spain. It's similar to Corsicans in France. Edited by: white is right