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Even with Moss there, Welker was double-covered. He was DC'd as much or more than "the great" Randy. Not that you'd ever know by listening to the self-loathing DWF's.Colonel_Reb said:
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Thrashen said:
I don't know what we be more cool and incredible, if Welker wins the SB MVP or if Danny Woodhead does?
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FootballDad said:
Very true. Defensive coordinators knew the truth about the Welker-Moss duo. They were giving WW more attention than Moss. That is one reason why Wes has done "so well" since Moss left. Wes was used to the coverage the media was saying was "new to him." Double coverage was old hat. Any lowered production was undoubtedly due to the surgery he was recovering from.
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Colonel_Reb said:
What I don't understand is that in each of the last 4 seasons, Welker has had some slow games where only only got 2 or 3 catches. These have been infrequent but I still don't get that game plan. I think there was even one drive in the SB game where Welker got 4 catches alone. It's puzzling when someone who has put together a lot of double digit reception games can lower production so much. Is it possible some games he feels beat up or just isn't in "the zone?"
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Welker might be playing in week 17:
[/i]http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5970376
Wes Welker not worrying about injury
By Mike Rodak
Special to ESPNBoston.com
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Last season, in the days leading up to the New England Patriots' Week 17 matchup with the Texans on Jan. 3, much of the talk surrounding the team dealt with whether the Patriots would rest their key players for the game.
In the end, Wes Welker played, and the wide receiver suffered a season-ending knee injury in the first quarter. By Aug. 1, he had returned to the practice field, and on Wednesday, his teammates named Welker the Patriots' Ed Block Courage Award winner.
"Being able to come back from the offseason I had, and last season, the way it ended, it's definitely an honor and I'm definitely happy to have my name on the Ed Block Courage Award," Welker said Thursday. "I think it was kind of by default because of the circumstances [though], and because I was the only one hurt this offseason."
Last season, the Patriots still had something to play for in the final week, having a chance to improve their seed in the playoffs. This year, the team already has locked up the top seed in the AFC playoffs.
Given what happened last season, Welker was asked if coach Bill Belichick would decide to sit Welker for Sunday's regular-season finale against the Dolphins.
"I say I'm here to play football. That's what I get paid to do. I love playing it. No matter what's at stake, I want to play it," Welker said. "I know people probably think differently about that. But I don't worry about all that stuff, and whatever Coach Belichick decides for me, that's what I'm going to do, but I'm always ready to play."
Welker also was asked if he has received any indication from Belichick on whether he will play.
"I have not. For me, I'm going out there and preparing for Miami and getting ready for them," Welker said. "We're definitely coming out and making sure we're prepared to play."
Mike Rodak is a regular contributor to ESPNBoston.com.http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5970376
[/i]http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5970376
Wes Welker not worrying about injury
By Mike Rodak
Special to ESPNBoston.com
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Last season, in the days leading up to the New England Patriots' Week 17 matchup with the Texans on Jan. 3, much of the talk surrounding the team dealt with whether the Patriots would rest their key players for the game.
In the end, Wes Welker played, and the wide receiver suffered a season-ending knee injury in the first quarter. By Aug. 1, he had returned to the practice field, and on Wednesday, his teammates named Welker the Patriots' Ed Block Courage Award winner.
"Being able to come back from the offseason I had, and last season, the way it ended, it's definitely an honor and I'm definitely happy to have my name on the Ed Block Courage Award," Welker said Thursday. "I think it was kind of by default because of the circumstances [though], and because I was the only one hurt this offseason."
Last season, the Patriots still had something to play for in the final week, having a chance to improve their seed in the playoffs. This year, the team already has locked up the top seed in the AFC playoffs.
Given what happened last season, Welker was asked if coach Bill Belichick would decide to sit Welker for Sunday's regular-season finale against the Dolphins.
"I say I'm here to play football. That's what I get paid to do. I love playing it. No matter what's at stake, I want to play it," Welker said. "I know people probably think differently about that. But I don't worry about all that stuff, and whatever Coach Belichick decides for me, that's what I'm going to do, but I'm always ready to play."
Welker also was asked if he has received any indication from Belichick on whether he will play.
"I have not. For me, I'm going out there and preparing for Miami and getting ready for them," Welker said. "We're definitely coming out and making sure we're prepared to play."
Mike Rodak is a regular contributor to ESPNBoston.com.http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5970376
Colonel_Reb
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I understand what you are talking about, Electric Slide. I've also wondered why Wes was under-utilized in some games. It doesn't make much sense, but nothing makes perfect sense in the Caste System NFL.
FootballDad
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Sometimes it's simply a matter of taking what the defense gives you. Brady is fantastic at taking opportunities of defensive weaknesses, if they're going to double/triple Welker and give you Branch a one-on-one on a deep route, what would you take?Electric Slide said:
jaxvid said:
Craig James couldve had multiple 1,000 yard seasons, and Hokie Gajan wouldve had a better career, is number 3 or 4 for all time ypc in a season for a primary back (one with at least 100 carries in a season) with 6.01 and then had a knee injury the next year
whiteathlete33
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Here is another gem from Gayworld:
Andre Johnson (ankle surgery) has pulled out of the Pro Bowl.
<div>
It's just a formality -- Johnson was never going to play after having
his right ankle scoped this week. Wes Welker is his replacement, but
isn't deserving after setting a career high in drops. Mike Wallace
undoubtedly would've been a better pick. We might've even taken Terrell
Owens over Welker.</div>
Edited by: whiteathlete33
Andre Johnson (ankle surgery) has pulled out of the Pro Bowl.
<div>
It's just a formality -- Johnson was never going to play after having
his right ankle scoped this week. Wes Welker is his replacement, but
isn't deserving after setting a career high in drops. Mike Wallace
undoubtedly would've been a better pick. We might've even taken Terrell
Owens over Welker.</div>
Edited by: whiteathlete33
whiteathlete33 said:
What a bunch of clowns at that site! Welker blew out his knee a year ago right before the playoffs. He should be commended for playing as well as he has. Seriously, it is an injury usually requiring a year or two of rehab. It's amazing that he has played so well. He is White so he gets dumped on. What's new? Owens isn't exactly the poster boy for the Good Hands award, is he?
Funny how TO and Oso Stinko didn't play when the Chargers came to town needing a win to make the playoffs.
What happened?
Palmer had one of his best games ever knocking out the Bolts. He tossed 4 TDs and had a qb rating over 156. Go figure.
whiteathlete33 said:
I don't think dropped passes are an official stat, but I'm sure Welker did have his career high in drops. However, Welker is still near the league lead in catch rate. The leaders in this stat are as follows:
1) Austin Collie
2) Jordy Nelson
3) Jordan Shipley
4) Wes Welker
Rather familar names here at CF.
Welker's numbers were slightly lower this year because he came off a major injury. Most experts didn't think he would play until at least mid-way through the season. Instead he started playing in pre-season. Welker was used a bit more sparingly this year because New England didn't want to risk injury in garbage time - as evidenced by his not playing in the final game of the regular season. Welker was still the leading receiver on the league's best offense. He still catches most everything thrown his way as evidenced by the previously catch rate stats.
Welker does other things not seen on a stat sheet such as rather novel things like actually running the correct route every time, or blocking for a teammate instead of smoldering to the sideline and screaming "Gimme da dam ball!" Terrel Owens, on the other hand, was the leader of a bottom dwelling team that was centered around his ego. Owens compiled his stats as he usually does during a season that was in its totality Terrel Owens personal garbage time from games 1-16. How could any serious knowledgable football expert say with a straight face that they would rather have this clown on their team than Wes Welker? Instead of being poo-pooed for making the All-Star team, Wes Welker should be the feel-good story of the year.
click on CR (catch rate) column
from rotoworld:
When the Patriots and Jets played in Week 13, Darrelle Revis was on Wes Welker for the majority of snaps.
Welker still managed to catch seven passes for 80 yards with a touchdown in the Patriots' 45-3 win, assisted by plenty of pre-snap variations. Welker lined up in the backfield and the Patriots also left Revis' side of the field void of receivers. Revis didn't always flip sides in those cases. Unlike the Colts did with Reggie Wayne, the Pats figure to once again create ways for Welker to get open.
Source: ESPN Boston
Related: Darrelle Revis
i like how Revis island completely shuts down Wayne but can't do the same against Welker.
When the Patriots and Jets played in Week 13, Darrelle Revis was on Wes Welker for the majority of snaps.
Welker still managed to catch seven passes for 80 yards with a touchdown in the Patriots' 45-3 win, assisted by plenty of pre-snap variations. Welker lined up in the backfield and the Patriots also left Revis' side of the field void of receivers. Revis didn't always flip sides in those cases. Unlike the Colts did with Reggie Wayne, the Pats figure to once again create ways for Welker to get open.
Source: ESPN Boston
Related: Darrelle Revis
i like how Revis island completely shuts down Wayne but can't do the same against Welker.
backrow said:
Wayne blamed Peyton Manning for his terrible game. I know Wayne had a good season statistically, mainly becauseof so many injuries to the team's receiving corps, but he has slowed noticeably and he was never fast to begin with.
<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; TEXT-ALIGN: left; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: #000000; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; TEXT-DECORATION: none; transparent: ">Reggie Wayne threw a pout-fest after the loss to the Jets, but maybe the Colts' Pro Bowl receiver needs to look in the mirror. Wayne had only one catch for 1 yard, with Manning throwing just that lone pass in his direction. But, after the game, Wayne blamed Manning for his lack of impact, rather than citing the fact that Jets all-world cornerback Darrelle Revis had him completely blanketed.
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What's more likely, that Manning purposely wanted to avoid throwing to the team's leading receiver, thereby hurting Indy's chances to win, or that Revis did what Revis does, completely taking away an opponent's top receiver? Playing with Manning is the best thing that has ever happened to Wayne, who wouldn't be a Pro Bowl perennial if he suited up just anywhere in the NFL. What a weak act that was by No. 87 late Saturday night.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/01/09/snap.judgments/1.htmlEdited by: Don Wassall
Jimmy Chitwood
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once again we see the difference between black players and White men. is there a SINGLE White player in the NFL who would act this way and throw his teammate unjustly under the bus?!?!Don Wassall said:
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Poor Reggie...
Holy cow! A White QB going out of his way to help a White receiver? Nice story about Welker and Brady.
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?columnist=macmullan_jackie&id=6006220
Tom Brady studied Welker on film, went to vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli and asked, "When is this guy's contract up? He's our kind of player."
New England scooped him up in 2007 for the price of one second-round draft pick and one seventh-round draft pick. Brady discovered his new target was both meticulous and free-spirited, one of the most creative practical jokers in the locker room.
(snip)
The anterior cruciate ligament and the medial collateral ligament were torn. He was done for the day, the season and maybe, just maybe, forever.
He called his parents from the locker room because he knew they'd be watching, worrying. Leland and Shelley Welker answered the phone, with brother Lee nearby. Their second son, the comedy king, the unflappable overachiever, broke down and wept.
"He was crying out of control," Leland Welker said. "Just devastated."
For two days, Wes Welker slumped on the couch, propped his leg up and ate boxes of Oreo cookies while media experts delivered sober epitaphs. He heard them say he would not play for a year. He heard them say he'd never be the same.
He had a visitor, and it was Tom Brady, who was almost a year and a half removed from his own ACL tear.
"You'll be back," Brady told Welker. "I'll help you."
(snip)
The Welkers flew out to visit on July 4 weekend. They observed their son's workout with Brady, which included a cornucopia of cones and bands and medicine balls of all sizes. The grueling conditioning session lasted an hour and a half. When Welker and Brady were finished, their bodies were drenched in sweat.
After lunch Brady and Welker were back at it, this time on an empty field at USC, where they ran hundreds of routes. After another hour and a half, they came over and talked with the folks a bit.
"I thought they were done, but they ran full speed 50-yard dashes, a half-speed 50, then another full-speed 50," Leland Welker said. "They did that 17 times." (snip)
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?columnist=macmullan_jackie&id=6006220
Tom Brady studied Welker on film, went to vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli and asked, "When is this guy's contract up? He's our kind of player."
New England scooped him up in 2007 for the price of one second-round draft pick and one seventh-round draft pick. Brady discovered his new target was both meticulous and free-spirited, one of the most creative practical jokers in the locker room.
(snip)
The anterior cruciate ligament and the medial collateral ligament were torn. He was done for the day, the season and maybe, just maybe, forever.
He called his parents from the locker room because he knew they'd be watching, worrying. Leland and Shelley Welker answered the phone, with brother Lee nearby. Their second son, the comedy king, the unflappable overachiever, broke down and wept.
"He was crying out of control," Leland Welker said. "Just devastated."
For two days, Wes Welker slumped on the couch, propped his leg up and ate boxes of Oreo cookies while media experts delivered sober epitaphs. He heard them say he would not play for a year. He heard them say he'd never be the same.
He had a visitor, and it was Tom Brady, who was almost a year and a half removed from his own ACL tear.
"You'll be back," Brady told Welker. "I'll help you."
(snip)
The Welkers flew out to visit on July 4 weekend. They observed their son's workout with Brady, which included a cornucopia of cones and bands and medicine balls of all sizes. The grueling conditioning session lasted an hour and a half. When Welker and Brady were finished, their bodies were drenched in sweat.
After lunch Brady and Welker were back at it, this time on an empty field at USC, where they ran hundreds of routes. After another hour and a half, they came over and talked with the folks a bit.
"I thought they were done, but they ran full speed 50-yard dashes, a half-speed 50, then another full-speed 50," Leland Welker said. "They did that 17 times." (snip)
Jimmy Chitwood
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Bart, thanks for posting that article. i don't think you quoted the most poignant excerpts however ...
right there, in plain, unvarnished simplicity, is the Caste System personified. that, gentlemen, is what we have to overcome.
right there, in plain, unvarnished simplicity, is the Caste System personified. that, gentlemen, is what we have to overcome.
FootballDad
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Here's a great interview with Wes Welker. He seems a bit quicker-thinking than the majority of NFL players.....
Enjoy!
Enjoy!
FootballDad
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Here is the entire interview, not just the "foot" references....
Colonel_Reb
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Thanks for posting the link, FootballDad. It is nice to be able to listen to an entire interview and not be revolted at the inability (or refusal) of a black player to speak decent English.
As for WW's interview skills, I'll say he has superior cognitive swivility.
As for WW's interview skills, I'll say he has superior cognitive swivility.
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I was never a great fan of Reggie "Mr. October" Jackson, but I've got to hand it to him for this:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110114_mr_october_rips_antonio_cromartie
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110114_mr_october_rips_antonio_cromartie
Wes had better be careful this weekend. His play on words, although not ugly, nasty and mean spirited like Cromartie's has the affletes thumpin their chests.
http://patsblog.projo.com/2011/01/bart-scott-welk.html?utm_source=bleacherreport.com
Bart Scott: Welker's 'days in a uniform' are numbered
7:45 PM Fri, Jan 14, 2011 | Permalink
By Mike McDermott
Jets inside linebacker Bart Scott is not laughing off Wes Welker's Thursday comments that included several references to the word "foot," in what many saw as poking fun at New York coach Rex Ryan.
"I'll tell you what," Scott said, according to Newsday. "Be very careful what you say about our coach. His (Welker's) days in a uniform will be numbered. Put it like that."
Welker made 11 references to the word "foot" during his remarks on Thursday, which seemed to be a joking reference to the "foot fetish" videos on the Internet that are believed to feature Ryan and his wife, Michelle.(snip)
http://patsblog.projo.com/2011/01/bart-scott-welk.html?utm_source=bleacherreport.com
Bart Scott: Welker's 'days in a uniform' are numbered
7:45 PM Fri, Jan 14, 2011 | Permalink
By Mike McDermott
Jets inside linebacker Bart Scott is not laughing off Wes Welker's Thursday comments that included several references to the word "foot," in what many saw as poking fun at New York coach Rex Ryan.
"I'll tell you what," Scott said, according to Newsday. "Be very careful what you say about our coach. His (Welker's) days in a uniform will be numbered. Put it like that."
Welker made 11 references to the word "foot" during his remarks on Thursday, which seemed to be a joking reference to the "foot fetish" videos on the Internet that are believed to feature Ryan and his wife, Michelle.(snip)
So he is threatening to injure Welker on purpose? isn't that against league rules. And I am pretty damn sure he wants to do that anyway, there is no way he is worked up over some joke a guy made about his coach, now he just has an excuse.
The intelligent Cromartie
But Antonio Cromartie, who called Tom Brady a nasty name in the New
York media early this week, saw it as evidence that the Patriots do talk
trash -- but apparently it is buried in some kind of indecipherable
code. (hint...it is called the English language)
"If you read in between the lines, a lot of what they say is directed
toward us, but they try to clean it up," Cromartie told Newsday. "It's
different, but they are doing the same thing. At the end of the day,
it's trash talking no matter how you try to put it, how you try to clean
it up."
The intelligent Cromartie
But Antonio Cromartie, who called Tom Brady a nasty name in the New
York media early this week, saw it as evidence that the Patriots do talk
trash -- but apparently it is buried in some kind of indecipherable
code. (hint...it is called the English language)
"If you read in between the lines, a lot of what they say is directed
toward us, but they try to clean it up," Cromartie told Newsday. "It's
different, but they are doing the same thing. At the end of the day,
it's trash talking no matter how you try to put it, how you try to clean
it up."