Vatican turnaround

[Kaptain]

That wikipedia definition isn't really standard. Ethnicity tends to exclude biological traits.

Tends to exclude biological traits??? Now you want to change it to arguing about "and" and "or", but you just said in the previous post that is still on this page a couple of posts above "tends to exclude." Is the wikipedia definition not standard still? Can you have the balls to admit that you were dead wrong?

So did you lose your library card? Forget to pay your fee? What's the story? I need a laugh tomorrow.

 

[Freedom]

I don't feel like looking for census data right now. I'm busy. And I sure as hell won't feel like looking for it over Spring Break. I just don't care that much about what you think. But tell me where you think 11 million people went?

Most people use ethnicity to refer to cultural traditions. You can't chalk that up to genetics. I was a tad surprised to see "biological" traits in the definition, but the "or" is actually a big deal. Lots of people with distinct appearances have been united in a common cultural heritage.

A lot of people you would have probably thrown "Jewish" race and ethnicity on, would have considered themselves ethnic Germans and only started to identify as Jewish out of survival and a need to belong somewhere. Among the examples are Franz Boas, Arnold Schoenberg(spelling might be off,) and even Albert Einstein sometimes.

 

[Kaptain]

Freedom, I'm done arguing. You've been throughly exposed and that's all I needed to do. "ethnicty", "and", "or" - nobody really cares. It only exposes your obfuscating style of proving yourself a moron.

P.S. The 11 million disappeared in the pages of an dusty old library book. The book was burnt and thus was born the holocaust. Have a nice day. I hereby discontinue this trying to teach stupid. But after spring break please post your info for the rest of the posters. I don't think anyone will hold their breath.

 

[Observer]

Freedom, I had some time to look at the census figures today, just pulling stuff off Wikipedia. Kaptain Poop and others, I'm sure most of you have looked into this more closely than I have, and have probably also analyzed the parameters by which these census figures were derived.

On the face of it, the data to me is surprising, very surpising: demographically, there was no "holocaust". It is not even statisically detectable (my rough estimates had a blip of only about 60,000 which is a variance of about 0.004 from what would be expected on the total population growth over time). There WAS mass EMIGRATION from Europe, but these people showed up in other areas of the world (i.e., Israel, etc.).

According to Jewish population figures in 1900, 1939, and 2005, there was about a 10% increase in worldwide Jewish population from 1900 to just before the start of WWII. Broken down to an annualized basis, that same rate of increase from 1940 to 2005 brings us very close to the 2005 Jewish census figures. That in itself is surprising, because modern Jewry is not very fertile --- and yet, their rate of growth is just as fertile now as in the early 1900's, EVEN INCLUDING A SUPPOSED "HOLOCAUST".

Those millions of people did not die, they did not even disappear. Heck, they did not even quit having babies during the tough years.

It is amazing, really quite weird. If America lost half its population during the Civil War, wouldn't it have been detectable in the later census figures?

My guess is that the holocaust-mythologists say that the census figures were taken with different criteria in the different years? (Perhaps something like the changing definition of "hispanic"? I have not heard about any large-scale conversions to Judaism that would explain this.) I'm sure some of you know more about these details of the census criteria. On the face of it, however, I find the figures astonishing. Unless someone can explain these raw figures, I would be a fool NOT to be a holocaust-denier.

 

[Bart]

The Bishop succumbs topressure.


http://www.zenit.org/article-25207?l=english
<H1>Bishop Williamson Apologizes for Holocaust Comments</H1>


Expresses Regret for Harm to Church and Victims


LONDON, FEB. 26, 2009 (Zenit.org).- Bishop Richard Williamson, formerly excommunicated member of the Society of St. Pius X, apologized today for statements in which he denied the extent of the Holocaust.
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In a statement published on his return to London on Wednesday after being expelled by the government of Argentina, the prelate explained that "the Holy Father and my superior, Bishop Bernard Fellay, have requested that I reconsider the remarks I made on Swedish television four months ago, because their consequences have been so heavy."


The bishop, along with three other Lefebvrite prelates, had their 20-year excommunication lifted at the end of January, in the framework of Benedict XVI's continuing efforts to heal the schism between the society and the Church. Around the same time, the bishop appeared on public television and made reductionist statements about the Jewish Holocaust that gave rise to extensive controversy.


Bishop Williamson continued, "Observing these consequences I can truthfully say that I regret having made such remarks, and that if I had known beforehand the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise, especially to the Church, but also to survivors and relatives of victims of injustice under the Third Reich, I would not have made them."


The prelate said that on Swedish television he only gave the "opinion [...] of a non-historian," a perspective "formed 20 years ago on the basis of evidence then available, and rarely expressed in public since."


However, he recognized, "the events of recent weeks and the advice of senior members of the Society of St. Pius X have persuaded me of my responsibility for much distress caused."


He added, "To all souls that took honest scandal from what I said, before God I apologize."


Bishop Williamson concluded, "As the Holy Father has said, every act of unjust violence against one man hurts all mankind."


On Feb. 12 Benedict XVI, reiterating again the Church's view of the Holocaust, affirmed that "it is clear that every negation or minimization of this terrible crime is intolerable and at the same time unacceptable."

 

[Observer]

Jewish population
World 1900 - 11,206,849 Europe 1900 - 8,966,781
World 1939 - 12,430,945 Europe 1939 - 9,946,200
World 1978 - 13,461,987
World 2005 - 14,596,017 Europe 2005 - 1,558,500

Where do you see a 6 million "holocaust"?

Demographically, there was NO "HOLOCAUST", only migration.

Until someone irrefutably accounts for these fundamental demographics, you are a fool if you are NOT a "holocaust-denier".
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Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jewish_population_co mparisons
1900 figures taken from Jewish Encyclopedia 1901-1906
1939 figures taken from "Estimated Jewish Population of Europe" http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/angap03.asp
- Europe figure 9,946,200 taken from web page above
- World figure calculated at the same 80.01161611% that European Jews were compared to the world in 1900; thus 9,946,200 / 80.01161611% = 12,430,945
1978 figure calculated backward from the 2005 figure using the population growth rate of 0.3%
"Jewish population growth worldwide is close to zero percent. From 2000 to 2001 it rose 0.3%," - http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-populati on.htm
"2005" Europe figure actually from 2002 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population
Thus, from 1900 to 1939, the Jewish population grew 10.9227491%, or 0.266% / year
From 1939 to 1978, the Jewish population grew 8.2941%
If the Jewish population was exactly stable in the years 1939-1945, then the Jewish population in the years 1945-1978 grew 0.24538768229% / year

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Europe's Crooked Commisioner Threatens Bishop

From JailingOpinions.com

Jacques Barrot, the EU Justice Commissioner, has warned Bishop Richard Williamson that he faces prosecution in many European countries if he repeats his controversial opinions about the alleged Holocaust of European Jews.

Speaking at a meeting of European justice ministers in Brussels last week, M. Barrot said:

"If Bishop Williamson were to repeat his negationist remarks in France, he could be punished under French law."

But just who is Jacques Barrot to be lecturing anyone on history, legality, morality or anything else?

Jacques Barrot was himself convicted by the French courts in 2000 and received an eight-month suspended prison sentence for his involvement in the embezzlement of £2 million in state funds diverted to his political party. The case was part of a major scandal in French politics, but like several others involved M. Barrot escaped scot free under a presidential pardon.

Following this pardon French law - which bars discussion of historical opinions by Bishop Williamson, Robert Faurisson and others - also bars any public reference to M. Barrot's conviction and suspended prison sentence. If I were a French journalist it would be illegal for me to write this article, even though every word of it is true!

What £2 million? European Justice Commission Jacques Barrot protests his innocence.

Secured by this blanket of censorship, M. Barrot failed to reveal his conviction when he was appointed to the European Commission in 2004. British MEP Nigel Farage raised the issue in the European Parliament and called for M. Barrot's resignation - a call endorsed by Graham Watson, leader of the British Liberal Democrat group in the Parliament. Mr Watson accused M. Barrot of "an unacceptable abuse of trust", adding that the commissioner was "seriously compromised by the revelation of his conviction and suspended jail sentence for conduct that is illegal in many EU member states". Martin Schulz, leader of the Socialist group in the Parliament, also expressed serious concerns.

Needless to say M. Barrot, a close political ally of Jacques Chirac, the French President who pardoned him, never had to explain or apologize, let alone resign. With inimitable Eurocratic irony he was appointed Justice Commissioner last year.

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