UEFA Champions League 2011-2012

[Matra2]

English fans are notorious for long memories when it comes to penalties they should have got but quickly forget when their opponents should have had them. IIRC those Chelsea penalties weren't so clear cut and the players were sometimes appealing before they'd even landed on the ground. Drogba in particular is a blatant diver. Look how much time he wasted in the 1st leg. He was on the ground rolling around 5 or 6 times in the first half alone.

As for Barca being afraid of Chelsea, well, it was the "Englishmen" who were afraid to leave their penalty box!

But again the point has to be emphasised that when Italians play this way the English are the loudest in condemning them. Just as they are the loudest in accusing Italians and Argentinians of diving (which is true of course) but when Michael Owen was flopping all over the pitch they pretended not to see. Even in the 70s Rodney Marsh has admitted that diving was considered perfectly acceptable in among England footballers privately. Yet there is still this perception that English players are good sportsmen who would never dream of diving to get a penalty. It is the same in cricket and rugby: The English are convinced that Australians are all cheaters and that they lack proper sporting etiquette, especially in cricket, but that their boys always play fair and accept defeat graciously.:icon_rolleyes:

I'm not a Bayern fan but I'll be cheering for them against Chelsea. (The only player for Chelsea I like is Lampard).

Frederic - The British media credited Drogba after the first leg but the whole team (other than Terry) has been celebrated for the second leg.

 

[Conway Johnson]

English fans are notorious for long memories when it comes to penalties they should have got but quickly forget when their opponents should have had them. IIRC those Chelsea penalties weren't so clear cut and the players were sometimes appealing before they'd even landed on the ground. Drogba in particular is a blatant diver. Look how much time he wasted in the 1st leg. He was on the ground rolling around 5 or 6 times in the first half alone.

As for Barca being afraid of Chelsea, well, it was the "Englishmen" who were afraid to leave their penalty box!

But again the point has to be emphasised that when Italians play this way the English are the loudest in condemning them. Just as they are the loudest in accusing Italians and Argentinians of diving (which is true of course) but when Michael Owen was flopping all over the pitch they pretended not to see. Even in the 70s Rodney Marsh has admitted that diving was considered perfectly acceptable in among England footballers privately. Yet there is still this perception that English players are good sportsmen who would never dream of diving to get a penalty. It is the same in cricket and rugby: The English are convinced that Australians are all cheaters and that they lack proper sporting etiquette, especially in cricket, but that their boys always play fair and accept defeat graciously.:icon_rolleyes:

I'm not a Bayern fan but I'll be cheering for them against Chelsea. (The only player for Chelsea I like is Lampard).

Frederic - The British media credited Drogba after the first leg but the whole team (other than Terry) has been celebrated for the second leg.

Ive been reading this forum for roughly 2 months mainly the Soccer section as i find the racial dynamic to sport interesting,always have.I wasnt originally going to register but your posts perked me up to say the least.You've made two posts ranting and desparaging the English so i'd like to know where your from?Thats if your brave enough to answer me.I'd really like to know.Im guessing your either irish or Australian.

 

[frederic38]

Frederic there was nothing lucky about Chelsea's win.Barcelona are scared of Chelsea,the Chelsea brand of physical football with guys like Lampard and Terry have them in fear.Their coach even admitted this.Of course Barcelona's players in terms of technique and skill are on a different planet but Chelsea know how to play Barcelona and like Boxing styles determin results.

nothing lucky?
11 shots in 180 minutes, 3 goals
less than 20% ball possession

barcelona had 47 shotsin 180 minutes, i can't even tell how many times they hit the bar or the post, they missed a penalty...


barcelona wasn't in a good phase also, because they lost against real madrid 2 days before, while usually they beat them pretty easely
same with chelsea, the match had been played at the start of the season, they would have been crushed
when you offer a penalty kick to barcelona when barcelona is leading 2-1 at camp nou, and when you are already down to 10 men, you can't win
except if you are extremely lucky
now internazionale 2 years ago, that's another story, because to my knowledge they didn't offered a penalty kick and a lot of goal scoring opportunities to barcelona

Barcelona have not beaten Chelsea in something like six games and were very lucky to advance to the final in 2009 when Chelsea according to many pundits and fans were denied 3 blatant stonewall penalties by a ref that was most likely paid off.It should have been Chelsea in that Champions league final and not Barcelona.

honestly i don't remember that match
but chelsea has enough money and ties to organised crime to pay every referee
i remember that malouda and anelka played for chelsea at that time :grin:

and i don't bash chelsea because they are english, i think it must be said, i have no anti-english sentiment
and i like teams that play physical football
but chelsea was just way too inferior to barcelona

Ive been reading this forum for roughly 2 months mainly the Soccer section as i find the racial dynamic to sport interesting,always have.I wasnt originally going to register but your posts perked me up to say the least.You've made two posts ranting and desparaging the English so i'd like to know where your from?Thats if your brave enough to answer me.I'd really like to know.Im guessing your either irish or Australian.

usually, people are more harsh with the country they come from if they are really from this country (i mean, ethnically), and if this country is no longer what they would like him to be
that's why i'm always bashing france and the french players despite being french

if you'r english, you could keep posting, there is a lot to say about premier league

 

[Matra2]

I'm referring to English sports fans and commentators - including a couple of my relatives. Every nationality has bad characteristics and its blind spots. I'm probably harder on the English because in the world of football and cricket they're influential. No one cares if some Greek commentator is hypocritical because no one outside of Greece hears him never mind being influenced by him. But no matter where in English-speaking world you live you probably have to listen to English (and British in general) commentators and pundits so their prejudices are hard to avoid.

What also bothers me is that at a time when the English nation is being destroyed the average Englishman can't be bothered summoning up any patriotic impulses yet they suddenly get all proud and nationalistic about a team (Chelsea) full of foreigners!

 

[Matra2]

I'm from Northern Ireland (the Protestant ie British side) though I've lived in several other countries for half my life. Sports fans and pundits there are also (mostly) parochial and stupid (with many of the same prejudices as the English) but they have no impact anywhere so who cares. I will however say in their favour that they are not hypocritical or sanctimonious. You won't hear them criticising other teams for trying to kill the game when they know Northern Ireland's national team tries to do the same thing. (A year or so ago they managed to drag Italy down to N Ireland's level during a Euro qualifying match). I can recall from as far back as my childhood in the late 70s and early 80s English commentators rubbishing Italian defensiveness calling it disgraceful and ruinous to the sport. They still do it. Yet suddenly when an "English" team plays two consecutive matches like that they are the greatest thing since sliced bread!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...to-be-among-greatest-in-English-football.html

BTW I support the England cricket team - though not their horribly boring rugby union team.

 

[frederic38]

Frederic,i respectfully disagree with you about the Barca-Chelsea game.Chelsea are a bad style matchup for them.If they were to play the tie over again i would still hedge my bets on Chelsea.I dont follow Soccer as closely as you or the other posters here but i follow the Champions league as its the higest standard of futbol in the world much higher than the world cup as players are not restricted by nationality and encouraging that despite the sport being a global game the most dominant players are White.I do find myself rooting for the more Anglo and Slavic sides though from Germany,Britain and Eastern Europe rather than the Latin teams[Barcelona] whereas you probably root for the Latin teamswhich is fine.

OK
it's true that i like the south of europe the most, and i have a known preference for south american players :grin:
i am culturally "latin", for example my language is "latin" (french)
the way we speak it too
the climate where i live can be both very hot and very cold, and i prefer when it's hot

but just so you don't get a false image of me, i am physically northern european, we have germanic (frank, burgundian, also celtic) heritage in some areas of france (including mine) and i am proud of it

also i never liked the way the spanish teams (both barca and the spanish national team) play ("tika-toka" ), but i respect them because it works

i will root for ukraine at the next euro champs, schevchenko is one of my favourite players of all time

 

[Europe]

i didn't really understand
did internazionale said manchester united was not an english club?
or it was me?

Frederic 38,I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the Italian teams saying that.

As for Barca being afraid of Chelsea, well, it was the "Englishmen" who were afraid to leave their penalty box!

They were playing with ten men most of the game. I guess you have give Di Matteo credit for devising a good scheme.

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nothing lucky?
11 shots in 180 minutes, 3 goals
less than 20% ball possession

barcelona had 47 shotsin 180 minutes, i can't even tell how many times they hit the bar or the post, they missed a penalty..."

Ball possession is meaningless. Much of that is just little passes around midfield. That reminds me of people saying about Germany against England in 2010 wc that Germany was so much better in the first half, but England actually tied the game 2-2. Anything could have happened in that game. Germany had the lucky bounce on their first goal. Anyways, stats are for losers the cliche goes.

Hitting the bar or post is a miss. It is not unlucky.

also i never liked the way the spanish teams (both barca and the spanish national team) play ("tika-toka" ), but i respect them because it works

So many people think that is the best way to play including many English pundits. I don't mind it. Some of Barca's passing is really nice to watch. When Barca gets going toward the goal and they have 3 or 4 quick passes it is really spectacular.But Lampard had 2 great passes that were equal to anything Barca did and that won them the series.

Unbelievable as it may seem, Ribery's character is even more repulsive than his hideous dial. When one adds the presence of serial cheat Arjen Robben to the equation, then factors in Jerome Boateng (and, under normal circumstances, David Alaba and Luiz Gustavo), Bayern isn't exactly a likeable club.

..

I can't imagine any white converting to Islam. He probably doesn't care about it. Just did it for the woman.

Robben also wears his jersey way to tight. It looks silly.

 

[Europe]

What also bothers me is that at a time when the English nation is being destroyed the average Englishman can't be bothered summoning up any patriotic impulses yet they suddenly get all proud and nationalistic about a team (Chelsea) full of foreigners

It's true. But Real Madrid, Inter, AC Milan fans do the same. Their countries aren't as far down the immigration road as the UK, but it is happening in Spain and Italy too.

 

[frederic38]

Ball possession is meaningless. Much of that is just little passes around midfield. That reminds me of people saying about Germany against England in 2010 wc that Germany was so much better in the first half, but England actually tied the game 2-2. Anything could have happened in that game. Germany had the lucky bounce on their first goal.

i agree, i don't like when these teams try to posses the ball to do nothing with it
i had another example of that in the friendly match between france and germany (with the same number of white players in both teams), when france beat germany in germany

Anyways, stats are for losers the cliche goes.

i wasn't trying to say that barcelona deserved to win, so the cliche does not fit here
i just say that chelsea was lucky

Hitting the bar or post is a miss. It is not unlucky.

again, i never said that barcelona has been unlucky and deserved to win
my point is that chelsea gave away too many goal scoring oportunities to barcelona , so their victory can't be considered a "masterpiece" (don't really know how to say)
it was an extraordinary victory, against all odds, but it has a lot to do with luck, because when they offered all these goal-scoring oportunities to barcelona , only luck could save them


congratulations to lampard though, the pass you posted earlier was perfect, ramires didn't even have to control the ball before shooting, which is a sign of a very good (perfect) through ball
from what i have seen of chelsea before, he was no longer a starter for them
great revenge, and it's good for the national team

I can't imagine any white converting to Islam. He probably doesn't care about it. Just did it for the woman.

that's because you're not french
there is basically no difference between him and an arab (skin color aside)

 

[Porthos]

Frederic,i respectfully disagree with you about the Barca-Chelsea game.Chelsea are a bad style matchup for them.If they were to play the tie over again i would still hedge my bets on Chelsea.I dont follow Soccer as closely as you or the other posters here but i follow the Champions league as its the higest standard of futbol in the world much higher than the world cup as players are not restricted by nationality and encouraging that despite the sport being a global game the most dominant players are White.I do find myself rooting for the more Anglo and Slavic sides though from Germany,Britain and Eastern Europe rather than the Latin teams[Barcelona] whereas you probably root for the Latin teamswhich is fine.

There certainly was an element of luck in Chelsea's victory, 4 posts in 2 games is always lucky, but as the Romans said "Fortuna audaces juvat" - luck loves the brave... However, what is more warrying for Barca is that their tactics and their short passing game (which untill recently looked impossible to counter) has become stale and their opponents have learned how to play against it. This was visible already in the games against AC Milan, but was glaringly obvious agaist Real on Sunday and now Chelsea. They don't have a classic attacker, a number 9, that can crack a strong "bunker" defence. Their attack is made of attacking middlefielders and wingers. They are all short (they do low crosses because there is nobody who can head the ball unless Puyol goes forward). I expect them to change this next year and buy a tall and strong attacker - Sanchez did not solve this problem. Also, Barca's goalkeeper Valdes is sub-optimal, he doesn't know how and when to come out of the goal. Most of the goals in their last two games were at least in part his responsibility including the "exceptional" chip by Ramires. They have to get a better goalie.
As for the final, I will support Bayern... Not a likeable team, and I don't like Robben nor Ribery, but compared to Chelsea they are a paragon of virtue. The only players I like in Chelsea are their goalkeeper Peter Cech and Lampard, of course. To see Roman Abramovich or Didier Drogba lift the Champion's league would be too much to stomach for me. And to think that until relatively recently, Chelsea was considered an "extreme right wing" club, with supporters having ties with National Front and NF literature being freely distributed at the stadium entrance in the 80s... How times have changed.

 

[frederic38]

we are too harsh with bayern munchen
from the start, they are one of the whitest teams in this competition
van buyten is injuried, otherwise they would have only 2 non-white starters
i never had them amongst my favourites for this year because they play with a black central defender, and usually you can't win a big competition with a black central defender
but my brother for example was rooting for them from the start, and never in this thread i said before one match that they would be defeated, because i believe only 3-4 teams are good enough to beat them

i would like them to win, because like you said porthos, chelsea winning the champions league would be a catastrophy
but if they play with a black central defender (or 2!) everything is possible
i think chelsea will have 2 white central defenders

i hope van buyten will be able to play, he is trying very hard to be ready for the final


let's remember that for this final, bayern munchen has only 2 black players available! boateng and breno
i hope the coach will be smart and move a white player from the middlefield to the central defence

by the way congratulations for your "guru" status porthos

 

[Giles Daldanus]

I hope it’s not the end of an era…Josep Guardiola seemed really crestfallen and apparently he wants to quit (feels like needs a change of environment and it looks like he won’t be coaching the Catalans during the 2012/2013 season). I can’t say that the Spanish side had that many dangerous shots on target (also, they didn’t really have a “Plan B”) and they lacked the hunger and belief in the last 10 minutes, though Chelsea were quite competent in defense and of course deserve a lot of credit. I hope that Messi doesn’t lose confidence - it’s just one penalty kick and it’s not as if he hit it that badly.

As for Terry – he was petulant and immature, but with another referee he may have escaped with a caution, as it wasn’t a brutal kick (and I am not sure whether he intended to hit Alexis Sanchez)…

Chelsea are definitely underdogs for the final (as the Germans are hosts and due to the absence of key players), but I still think that it will be an even affair. I am guessing that when it comes to defense it will be David Luiz, Bosingwa, Cahill and Ashley Cole vs. Rafinha, Lahm, Boateng and Contento (or possibly Van Buyten/Breno).

I can sympathize with Madrid, as it’s a heartbreaking loss for them…however, Bayern were the better side over the course of the two legs (they were quite dominant in their 2:1 home win) and Gomez could have bagged more goals. Neuer was brilliant and the charismatic Casillas was up to the task once again (he saved two spot kicks that were taken by Germans and this is something that happens on very rare occasions), almost allowing Madrid to come back from the brink…the penalties that were taken by Alaba and Schweinsteiger were probably unstoppable. Cristiano Ronaldo (despite the penalty miss) also did his reputation no harm.

 

[Rebajlo]

Here are my views on the Barcelona-Chelsea match (and, incidentally, some wider football philosophies).

Football is a team game in which tactics are more often than not of paramount importance, especially in high-stakes knockout matches at the loftiest level. Retaining the ball is good and fine, passing it around with crisp single touches is better, and creating scoring chances is even better than that. But obviously the most improtant thing is to score more goals than the opposition. That's what determines the winner - a simple goal tally.

Football is not some poxy "sport" like diving (although, with certain teams, that could be a moot point) or synchronised swimming, where the only things which count are style, presentation and highly subjective judging. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if a team is camped in the opposition's half for the entire ninety minutes plus stoppage time and pumps in forty spectacular shots on goal if none of them go in and their opponents score on their single counterattack or from their single corner. The scoreboard isn't concerned with statistics pertaining to possession, number of completed passes, corners forced, stepovers, backheels, or nutmegs - the scoreboard shows goals and nothing else.

Let's return to tactics. Nobody can reasonably expect that if technically inferior teams wish to avoid certain defeat they should attempt to match it with absolutely top-class skill merchants like Barcelona and play an open game. In fact, the vast majority of teams Barcelona face will defend deep, put their players behind the ball, and hope to score from a counterattack or set piece. This is exactly what Chelsea did in both legs.

Now, when Barcelona are playing against most clubs, their opponents' comparatively massed defence generally doesn't pose much of a problem, as it is more than likely that the opposition doesn't have sufficient numbers of players who can absorb the pressure of continuous defending and shall therefore consequently crack under the strain sooner or later. Barcelona can simply pass and dribble their way through formations largely consisting of players with relatively limited ability and mental fortitude. The "Barcelona way" does the trick and neither the coach nor the players are forced to radically adjust their style to win matches. If all else fails, they can usually rely on a referee to provide them with a penalty...

Chelsea defended en masse during the first leg in London and managed to grab the only goal of the game against the run of play. So what did Barcelona expect? That Chelsea would come to the Camp Nou and play some kind of open and attacking passing game? Of course not. Barcelona knew that they would have to break Chelsea down, they went about it in their usual manner and managed to go two goals up, which would have been enough to win the tie. They were also given a big helping hand by John Terry's sending off after 37 minutes.

Permit me to digress a moment in order to say a couple of things about Terry's red card. As everyone should know by now, I can't stand Terry and categorically condemn his idiotic knee to Alexis Sanchez's back - it was highly irresponsible and unprofessional, particularly given that Chelsea had conceded a goal two minutes beforehand and the tie was balanced at 1-1 on aggregate. He let his team down and there are no excuses. Yet sanchez put on the type of theatrical performance which one has sadly come to expect from Barcelona players and one wonders if a red card would have been meted out so readily had a Barcelona player committed an identical foul...

Chelsea's goal on the stroke of half time completely altered the complexion of the match, as the tie was now 2-2 on aggregate which would have been enough for the "English" club to go through on away goals. That's where Messi's penalty miss provided a turning point. If he'd scored, then Barcelona would in all probability have progressed to the final, being automatically installed as overwhelming favourites and nobody either here or in the media would be speaking of the Spaniards' / Catalans' apocalyptic demise, the end of an era, the death of the Spanish national team, et cetera. Instead, Messi would be feted as the ever-reliable match winner and the best player in the world, while Barcelona would be "back on track" following their loss to Real Madrid four days earlier.

As things went, Messi missed and Barcelona still required another goal to once again put themselves into a winning position. That's when things really went awry and the Spaniards' lack of versatility emerged. As I mentioned earlier, passing and dribbling through defences may work against most clubs, but if a "top class" team decides to "park the bus" and concentrate solely on keeping the opposition out that isn't always enough. Under normal circumstances, Barcelona's lack of physical presence or a dangerous aerial threat isn't too much of an issue, but against stubbornly determined, more "robust" defending by well organised and seasoned players who don't go to pieces at the mere mention of the Catalan club's name such deficiencies become glaringly apparent and are reflected in all too obvious tactical limitations.

It all boils down to this: Barcelona played at home with a one man advantage for just over 53 minutes, yet couldn't win the game. Chelsea did what they had to do and it worked. It wasn't pretty but that's sometimes how things go. Am I happy that the "blacker" team progressed to the final? No, of course I'm not. In truth, I'm fuming, despite my dislike of Barcelona and their separate domestic television deals, their diving, their influence over referees and the club's traditional leftist leanings. But Barcelona only have themselves to blame, for they were a man up and missed a penalty. How can anyone possibly complain? People need to realise that no team - however talented - has a divine right to win all the time.

 

[Rebajlo]

You've made two posts ranting and desparaging the English so i'd like to know where your from?Thats if your brave enough to answer me.I'd really like to know.Im guessing your either irish or Australian.

"That's if your brave enough to answer me."

Come on, mate. What are You going to do? Crawl through some fiber-optic cables, pop out of the bloke's monitor, grab him by the lugs and nut him? :icon_lol:

But again the point has to be emphasised that when Italians play this way the English are the loudest in condemning them. Just as they are the loudest in accusing Italians and Argentinians of diving (which is true of course) but when Michael Owen was flopping all over the pitch they pretended not to see. Even in the 70s Rodney Marsh has admitted that diving was considered perfectly acceptable in among England footballers privately. Yet there is still this perception that English players are good sportsmen who would never dream of diving to get a penalty. It is the same in cricket and rugby: The English are convinced that Australians are all cheaters and that they lack proper sporting etiquette, especially in cricket, but that their boys always play fair and accept defeat graciously

Matra2 -

I don't believe that anyone can accuse me of being anti-English , yet I wholeheartedly agree with Your assessment of the English media, mate. Anyone who hasn't lived in the UK and hasn't been immersed head-first in the hyper-intense "surround sound" of the madly jingoistic yet precariously manic ravings of frothing hordes of commentators, pundits, and print journalists cannot possibly appreciate this.

The real insanity lies in the absolute lack of anything approaching balance. The pendulum inevitably swings full circle. It's all "yeah, we're the best in the world / our magnificent lads are unstoppable / John Bull is going to kick you in the bollocks, then shag your wife, granny and cat" before progressing to "we was robbed by the ref / dastardly diving Johnny Foreigner / atrocious pitch / weather". Finally, it's "what went wrong? / are we really just a nation or quarterfinalists? / are we really this bad?" followed by a search for the single scapegoat who derailed the glorious championship freight train (remember the venomous abuse David Beckham copped for a long time following his sending off against Argentina in the second round of the 1998 World Cup).

Then we have the ready willingness to decry other teams' ultra-defensive tactics as "unsporting" while hypocritically lauding identical methods employed by an English side as "heroic", "committed", and exemplifying the "bulldog spirit". The same goes for selective attitudes to diving, accompanied by the stubborn insistence that English players "never cheat".

 

[frederic38]

i agree with everything rebajlo

except that it's true that referees are friendly with barca, but they actually give penalty kicks when they have to be given
when i watched teams like portuguese teams, or when i watched the swiss club, i knew that the referee would never give a penalty kick, except if the foul is enormous
so i'd say that every small team has unfriendly refereeing (so the referees are not pro-barcelona, more pro-big teams)

 

[Europe]

He let his team down and there are no excuses. Yet sanchez put on the type of theatrical performance which one has sadly come to expect from Barcelona players

Did you see Pepe writhing on the ground against Bayern? It was hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuntzm9K-Uw

 

[Matra2]

Barcelona aren't as bad as most Latin teams when it comes to diving, though yes, Alexis Sanchez is pretty bad.

I was glad to see Puyol stop the moronic celebration by Thiago and Dani Elves on the weekend when they scored their fifth:

[video=youtube;3aBjS6KnrHk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBjS6KnrHk[/video]

 

[Jack Lambert]

The Champions League Final starts on FOX here pretty soon in the states. From the starting lineups during the pregame show, it looks like Bayern Munich will be starting 10 whites and 1 black, and Chelsea will have 5 whites and 6 blacks. Go Bayern!!!

Bayern is playing in front of their home crowd in Munich today, which should help them out.

 

[foobar75]

The Champions League Final starts on FOX here pretty soon in the states. From the starting lineups during the pregame show, it looks like Bayern Munich will be starting 10 whites and 1 black, and Chelsea will have 5 whites and 6 blacks. Go Bayern!!!

Bayern is playing in front of their home crowd in Munich today, which should help them out.

Bayern with complete domination in the first half, but no goal to show for it against this African team from England. I hope they come thru in the second half, because I would hate for Chelsea to get lucky with one if their rare counter-attacks, or worse, the match going to a penalty shootout.

 

[Jack Lambert]

Chelsea just scored with about 3 minutes left to come back to terms with Bayern. Of course, Boateng lost Drogba on a corner, and Drogba scored. I don't know how Boateng could play outisde for Germany in the Euros. He seems really slow yet. Munich might be regretting taking Muller out.

Bayern Munich has had so many chances this game; they could be up 3-1 right now.

 

[foobar75]

Dammit, we're going to penalty kicks. Robben already missed one in overtime and with Muller out, I don't like this.

 

[Jack Lambert]

Damn!!! What a terrible outcome for us. The African team Chelsea winning was the WORST possible thing that could've happened.:angry:

6 blacks and 5 whites, complete with a foreign owner and a non-white coach, beats a team with 10 out of 11 white starters, and a white owner and coach.

I don't know where Boateng gets his hype from, but he looks slow and completely worthless. Germany won't win a thing if he has to be their left back.

 

[Liverlips]

Yep - we outplayed them but the one black for our side screwed it up (as usual).

 

[Zeus]

Damn!!! What a terrible outcome for us. The African team Chelsea winning was the WORST possible thing that could've happened.:angry:

6 blacks and 5 whites, complete with a Jewish owner and a non-white coach, beats a team with 10 out of 11 white starters, and a white owner and coach.

I don't know where Boateng gets his hype from, but he looks slow and completely worthless. Germany won't win a thing if he has to be their left back.

I believe that's the third worse victory I have witnessed in the history of football.
One was Ajax of 1995 which was at least 35-40% black winning Champions League and the only black dominated team of Brazil in 2002 winning world cup. A black night for world football............but oh well white dominated teams winning Euros, Champions League, World cups, outnumber Negroes by what? 95% to 5% or so?

On a personal level I am devastated cause I did bet 100 Euros and I lost them :angry:

I hope Kessler and Barnett smash the Negroes so I can feel better for tonight's final of champions League.

Does anyone know the 23 team roster of Chelsea? I believe it's still a majority white one?

Di Matteo is not an Italian? Isn't that white?

When it comes to Jews like Abramovic who look 110% white, I can't understand why the separation.........probably culturally cause they look white to me.

 

[Jack Lambert]

Oh, Di Matteo might be white then, just really tanned. I didn't look too hard at him, so I think I messed up. Sorry about that.:embarassed:

I just don't like all these foreign owners buying up EPL teams, which is why I posted about Abromovich.