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There's the power of positive thinking, then there's denial and self delusion. Poor Tommy has found refuge in the last two...
tommy morrison
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Franco
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Tommy Morrison was my favorite 90's heavyweight growing up. When I look back, I think he made some bad decisions in choosing both his trainers and managers. He clearly wasted his God-given talent. I still check him out every now and then, only to ponder what might have been. I share the same view with Andrew Golota, these two could have been great champions. At least the triumph Klitschko Brothers have overshadowed the failures of these two.
space hillbilly
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Welcome Franco, I really think Golota maybe got a little money under-the-table,Franco said:
because he sometimes looked unbeatable, they even druged him before the Lewis fight,
Golota sued the doctor and won......
Franco
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Thanks lost, even though Morrison was my 90's favorite, Golota had greater upside thanks to his size and skill level. He just couldn't reach the summit, I thought he should've won against Chris Byrd. Glad he sued that quack and won.lost said:
Tommy, I fear is a tragic figure. He cut short his career with his reckless lifestyle. Drinking, drugs and unprotected sex with probably 100s of women. It cut off around 5 to 8 years of his career. Look at him now!
I remember the lowlights. His destructive losses to Mercer and Lewis. He was quite competitive with Lewis. Unfortunately, he fought a Lewis, who was at his best. His loss to Mercer was going in with a bad strategy. He should have known that Mercer had an iron chin and great stamina at the time. Tommy blew it, by going for the kill, it the first 3 to 4 rounds, and expending all of his energy. After that, Mercer almost killed him.
He should have fought Mercer like he did Foreman, with movement and angles, Tommy did have boxing ability.
His greatest triumphs were KOing a prime Razor Raddock and beating a formidable George Foreman. Tommy had great talent, but couldn't harness it key fights or a long career, due to recklessness.
I remember the lowlights. His destructive losses to Mercer and Lewis. He was quite competitive with Lewis. Unfortunately, he fought a Lewis, who was at his best. His loss to Mercer was going in with a bad strategy. He should have known that Mercer had an iron chin and great stamina at the time. Tommy blew it, by going for the kill, it the first 3 to 4 rounds, and expending all of his energy. After that, Mercer almost killed him.
He should have fought Mercer like he did Foreman, with movement and angles, Tommy did have boxing ability.
His greatest triumphs were KOing a prime Razor Raddock and beating a formidable George Foreman. Tommy had great talent, but couldn't harness it key fights or a long career, due to recklessness.
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So many of Golota's fights were highly suspicious. He was mixed up with the Polish Mafiya. I've dealt with a lot of junkies and the moment I saw Golota walk into the ring vs. Lewis - after he disappeared and no one knew where he was, and then he showed up in a police car right before the fight - and I saw his glazed eyes and expression, the very first thing I said was, "He's been drugged."
For the Grant fight, the godfather of the Polish Mafiya - he called himself Pershing - took up residence at Golota's training camp in Colorado. After the fight, as soon as Pershing went back to Poland, he got bumped off. Guess some of the boys didn't like the idea of getting Andrew to lose. a-hole Randy Neuman was doing his bullsh*t in that fight too. It was as if Neuman was permanently assigned to dog Golota.
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space hillbilly
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ww said:Thanks for the info WWlost said:, Golota wasn't the crazy fighter he was made out to be..
So many of Golota's fights were highly suspicious. He was mixed up with the Polish Mafiya. I've dealt with a lot of junkies and the moment I saw Golota walk into the ring vs. Lewis - after he disappeared and no one knew where he was, and then he showed up in a police car right before the fight - and I saw his glazed eyes and expression, the very first thing I said was, "He's been drugged."
For the Grant fight, the godfather of the Polish Mafiya - he called himself Pershing - took up residence at Golota's training camp in Colorado. After the fight, as soon as Pershing went back to Poland, he got bumped off. Guess some of the boys didn't like the idea of getting Andrew to lose. a-hole Randy Neuman was doing his bullsh*t in that fight too. It was as if Neuman was permanently assigned to dog Golota.
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From what I have read in boxing magazines he was wasting away in jail and his family begged him to take the viral drugs and he got his weight back up to about 220 pounds. Then I heard he got caught up in a new age religious cult and they convinced him he was cured and since then he has stopped taking the anti-viral drugs. From what I have read the disease can become resistant to the drug if you stop taking the drugs. Does he look like the picture of health to you? For all of the pounds that "Tragic" Johnson has put on. He still looks relatively healthy.ww said:
"Thanks for the info WW
, Golota wasn't the crazy fighter he was made out to be..
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I don't know about Golota not being crazy. He was pretending to be a police officer for a while there, pulling over girls, flashing some toy store badge.
Golota was said to be a close friend of "Pershing" whose real name was Andrzej Kolikowski. He was bumped off on 5
Dec 1999. The Golota-Grant fight took place on 20 Nov 1999. Golota was at his funeral.
Golota was one hell of a fighter when he fought Bowe, though. Two unbelievable fights. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
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I don't know about Golota not being crazy. He was pretending to be a police officer for a while there, pulling over girls, flashing some toy store badge.
Golota was said to be a close friend of "Pershing" whose real name was Andrzej Kolikowski. He was bumped off on 5
Dec 1999. The Golota-Grant fight took place on 20 Nov 1999. Golota was at his funeral.
Golota was one hell of a fighter when he fought Bowe, though. Two unbelievable fights. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
space hillbilly
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I believe i seen into the Bowe/Golota fights, Golota was Holyfield's sparring partner,ww said:"Thanks for the info WW, Golota wasn't the crazy fighter he was made out to be.. "
I don't know about Golota not being crazy. He was pretending to be a police officer for a while there, pulling over girls, flashing some toy store badge.
Golota was said to be a close friend of "Pershing" whose real name was Andrzej Kolikowski. He was bumped off on 5 Dec 1999. The Golota-Grant fight took place on 20 Nov 1999. Golota was at his funeral.
Golota was one hell of a fighter when he fought Bowe, though. Two unbelievable fights. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
they also had the same trainer, Holyfield was champion and the winner of Golota/Bowe was his mandatory,
but Holyfield wanted to fight Tyson not Bowe or Golota,
so Golota beat the h**l out of Bowe but lost by DQ and that opened the door for Holyfield to fight Tyson....
whiteathlete33
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True story. A buddy of mine went to the Golota vs Lewis fight. He went to the bathroom right when the fight started and when he got back it was over. Of course something was suspicious.
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This is indeed sad. The Duke was my favorite fighter in the 90's until the Klits came along. Tommy had similar talents and career as Tyson, but the MSM or DWF will never acknowledge this. I think Tommy is punch drunk now and he's also probably tweaking which combined with his likely HIV and his wondering what could have been is destroying him. He needs some serious help and prayers. I wish him the best!
Except Tyson had iron in his jaw. Morrison's chin was his undoing. If he had had a cement jaw, the world was his for the taking. His offensive skills were second-to-none. His left hook might have been the best of all-time... Which is saying something considering guys like Frazier, Tyson etc that had awesome hooks too.<div>
</div><div>It's a shame Tommy couldn't keep it in his pants. He got HIV during his prime. Who knows how much more he could have accomplished? With his decent size, insane offensive attack and the bricks in his hands he could have beat many a titleholder over the late 90s.</div>
</div><div>It's a shame Tommy couldn't keep it in his pants. He got HIV during his prime. Who knows how much more he could have accomplished? With his decent size, insane offensive attack and the bricks in his hands he could have beat many a titleholder over the late 90s.</div>
Colonel_Reb
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Tommy Morrison should just give it up at this point. It was sad to read the article that lost posted a link to.
whiteathlete33
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At his current age, even if he somehow managed to get a title shot, he'd get knocked out by a Klitschko brother in the first round. There is no doubt about that.
space hillbilly
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I just can't feel too sorry for Tommy, maybe its wrong of me, I just remember all the young white kids around here that were big Morrison fans at the time, but I think Tommy cared only about the money,
Morrison had just around six amature fights and less than two years as a pro,
He was not ready for a world title fight, but the anti-white vampires in boxing
wantedto get a "Dig" in onthe young white kids
and I think Tommy sold them out for the money, so I can't like him...Edited by: lost
Morrison had just around six amature fights and less than two years as a pro,
He was not ready for a world title fight, but the anti-white vampires in boxing
wantedto get a "Dig" in onthe young white kids
and I think Tommy sold them out for the money, so I can't like him...Edited by: lost
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Even Morrison at his best would get dominated by either Klit. Look what Lewis was able to do to him and the Klits are better than Lewis IMHO. Tommy would always have a punchers chance against Wlad but I think Wlad is to smart now to ever let him near him to land it. Wlad would dominate Tommy with the jab and tire him out clinching (Tommy always had poor stamina) then KO him around the 8th.
Jreb1, Tommy never had a time when he was at his best, his career was cut short by AIDS at 27. Wlad only came into his prime in his 30s. I often wonder what could have been. 27 is way to soon to retire. He had a great record for a 27 year old, 49 fights and 39 KOs, 3 losses.
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Morrison was mismanaged early in his career. I remember when he fought Mercer he was 22 years old and really had never fought even a fringe contender. If he was more mature with experience I think he would have mixed his punches up more and cruised to a points win against Mercer(similar to the Foreman fight). It seemed like whenever he got a big win his team wanted to cash him out for the big money fight regardless if he had a realistic shot at winning. Cooney was the same way. Foreign White fighters have it easier than these guys as they have to prove their worth more before they get 7 or 8 figure title fights. It's probably why the Klitschkos and other Eastern European heavyweights have stuck at the top of the division longer.
I remember reading an article a month or so back about a card that Tommy was supposed to be fighting on. It was supposed to be in Canada.ÂÂÂ
I found it -
Among the major battles of the evening, former WBO heavyweight champion Tommy Morrison (48-3-1) will return to the ring against hard hitter Eric Barrak (3-0-0). As for veteran and former heavyweight champion Ray Mercer (36-7-1), he will return to boxing in a confrontation against the tough Stephane Tessier (3-26-1), who notably went the distance with Alexander Povetkin, and Joe Mesi.ÂÂÂ
The program also provide a duel between Walid Smichet (20-7-3) and Joe Gatti (30-8-0). Smichet had fought a ruthless war with John Duddy in the ring at Madison Square Garden in New York in February 2008. For his part, Joe Gatti has not fought since his world championship fight in Germany on August 24, 2002 against Sven Ottke.ÂÂÂ
Keep in mind the fights are still awaiting approval from the proper regulating authorities in Quebec
http://www.boxingscene.com/tommy-morrison-returns-smichet-vs-gatti-on-2-25--34527
I don't know if this is still going ahead. It's not listed on Tommy's boxrec profile.
I found it -
Among the major battles of the evening, former WBO heavyweight champion Tommy Morrison (48-3-1) will return to the ring against hard hitter Eric Barrak (3-0-0). As for veteran and former heavyweight champion Ray Mercer (36-7-1), he will return to boxing in a confrontation against the tough Stephane Tessier (3-26-1), who notably went the distance with Alexander Povetkin, and Joe Mesi.ÂÂÂ
The program also provide a duel between Walid Smichet (20-7-3) and Joe Gatti (30-8-0). Smichet had fought a ruthless war with John Duddy in the ring at Madison Square Garden in New York in February 2008. For his part, Joe Gatti has not fought since his world championship fight in Germany on August 24, 2002 against Sven Ottke.ÂÂÂ
Keep in mind the fights are still awaiting approval from the proper regulating authorities in Quebec
http://www.boxingscene.com/tommy-morrison-returns-smichet-vs-gatti-on-2-25--34527
I don't know if this is still going ahead. It's not listed on Tommy's boxrec profile.
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No he didn't come up with paperwork for his HIV test and the fight was canceled.