There is a simple obvious reason that there are no white corners in the NFL

[Liverlips]

"Whites also have genetically superiority in upper body traits, hence them being much more prevalent at MMA and offensive line positions."


The Steelers have an all-black O-line. Are they racist?

 

[spiritofspook]

Outside of running and basketball what sports exactly do blacks dominate? Not many, and it's proven that they can't fight. Look at how quickly the Eastern Euros cleaned up the heavier boxing divisions once the Iron Curtain fell and they were allowed to box. You have plenty of pro-black websites online, why don't you go play in one of those forums?

I cant help but notice that after i pointed out the specious nature of using combine numbers as evidence to support a "conspiracy" conspiracy theory, that many of you are throwing out red herrings left and right.

No where have you heard me say that Blacks are best at all sports or better overall athletes. But if it helps you sleep at night to equate my point to that straw man fallacy then enjoy your hollow victory.

My point is that combine measurables do not always translate to on the field results. The proof is in the pudding better yet the proof is on the field, and there is no logical reason to "extend the welfare state" to football. Now there are plenty of cultural elements that lead to the absence of white running backs and corners, but the idea that coaches are purposefully targeting black players is just not supported by any real facts.

 

[dwid]

"and that the majority of welfare recipients are white,"

Wrong again:

The most recent racial breakdown of welfare recipients are from 2009. Officially, welfare is now called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). The racial makeup of Americans on the dole is as follows: blacks 33.3 percent, whites 31.2 percent, Hispanics 28.8 percent, Asians 2.1 percent and American Indians 1.3 percent.

Why did you think most welfare recipients are white?

also have to remember that blacks are only 12-13 percent of the population.

there is no proof that coaches are purposely doing it? have you heard coaches talk? I have heard them, Bowden laughed at the idea of a White runningback, he isn't alone in his thoughts. Coaches think its easier to stereotype rather than having to sort through talent. Yes the proof is on the field, every time A White player gets a chance he excels, usually to go back to the bench, something we have seen and documented time after time. This also allows for teams to have backups for much cheaper and insure no drop off in play if their super star afflete gets injured. The White kids on the college teams are there to keep the GPA average up, although they excel in practice against the starters.

My reasoning is just an opinion, but if you look throughout time, if a team has a White player and a black player with a similar talent levels playing the same position, the black player will get the starting nod, draw your own conclusions from that. Do you attend the practices? are you involved with any teams?

 

[Liverlips]

"it still would have to be at the compliance of thousands of coaches, scouts, athletic directors, trustee board members, boosters, and fans across the country who are all predominately white ."

Again, no conspiracy. The simple answer is that they believe in black athletic supremacy.

There are other reasons - such as black players putting pressure on coaches to start their friends over whites - but that is it in a nutshell.

Again - a goldmine of info on the older posts.

 

[spiritofspook]

"Whites also have genetically superiority in upper body traits, hence them being much more prevalent at MMA and offensive line positions."


The Steelers have an all-black O-line. Are they racist?

Liverlips youre going too fast with your off topic quips i cant keep up...


i will point out that the steelers offensive line was widely considered one of the worst in the league the past few years...

 

[whiteathlete33]

WHY DOES THE LEAGUE DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WHITES PLAYERS?

Here is your answer. For the same reason black on white crime is always buried in the news while white on black crime is the top story all the time. Considering 90 percent of interracial crime is black on white that's a problem. For the same reason that blacks are allowed to make racist, anti-white comments with no repercussions at all while whites who say something about blacks are run out of town. For the same reason ESPN hires bumbling ebonics sportscaster like Shannon Sharpe and Warren Sapp and crackheads like Michael Irvin who can basically say what they want and they know it.Just check out Irvin's Romo comments. If that's the best the black community can produce then we have a problem.

 

[white is right]

"and that the majority of welfare recipients are white,"

Wrong again:

The most recent racial breakdown of welfare recipients are from 2009. Officially, welfare is now called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). The racial makeup of Americans on the dole is as follows: blacks 33.3 percent, whites 31.2 percent, Hispanics 28.8 percent, Asians 2.1 percent and American Indians 1.3 percent.

Why did you think most welfare recipients are white?

The White welfare numbers are boosted by probably dubious "Whites" ie JLo I suspect her family received some form of social assistance when she was in the south Bronx. So if you include Hispanics with similar racial composition you have the largest percentage of recipients as White.

 

[Anak]

Basically you're saying that we should not believe our lying eyes or read too much into combine scores but should instead defer to your estimable knowledge as a football coach. Unless of course the combine scores somehow corroborate with any other points of yours such as Jeff Maehl having a mediocre 40 time and vertical jump which translates into a lack of "explosiveness."

Sorry for the pithy response.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I cant help but notice that after i pointed out the specious nature of using combine numbers as evidence to support a "conspiracy" conspiracy theory, that many of you are throwing out red herrings left and right.

No where have you heard me say that Blacks are best at all sports or better overall athletes. But if it helps you sleep at night to equate my point to that straw man fallacy then enjoy your hollow victory.

My point is that combine measurables do not always translate to on the field results. The proof is in the pudding better yet the proof is on the field, and there is no logical reason to "extend the welfare state" to football. Now there are plenty of cultural elements that lead to the absence of white running backs and corners, but the idea that coaches are purposefully targeting black players is just not supported by any real facts.

Look at the huge double standard. Matt Jones who was probably the best athlete for a player of his size of all time, was quickly booted out of the league for drinking a beer during a golf game. Yet idiots like Pacman JOnes can commit dozens of felonies and the league always gives them second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth chances.

The league also hasn't allowed very athletic white quarterbacks to play until recently(Jake Locker.) Matt Jones, Scott Frost, Jared Zabransky, and Eric Crouch supposedly wouldn't have been able to hack it at quarterback yet Vick could. Give me a break man!

 

[white is right]

I know some Whites who can play corner are also pushed into the safety position because of superior strength. The corner that started this thread is 220+ pounds he will only be an emergency corner at the next level, most likely he is a strong safety at the next level.

 

[Don Wassall]

There have been many articles over the last half dozen years from the "mainstream" press detailing how star White running backs are not recruited by the major programs. They are mostly from smaller newspapers dealing with individual White players, but nonetheless there are a number of them. We had some of them linked in a thread, started I believe by Tough J Riggins several years ago. I'm too busy right now to go digging for them. Also, J. B. Cash has documented some of these articles in his columns, and links to other articles detailing how White RBs are not recruited can be found elsewhere on the site.

OP, your position is that there is not a single White football player in the country capable of playing cornerback in the NFL, is that correct? That year after year, decade after decade, the best White cornerback prospects are inferior to the worst of the black CBs in the NFL, and that this is caused by a lack of "hip flexibility" possessed by every single White athlete.

Have you ever heard of the Bell Curve? For example, even though blacks score significantly lower than whites on IQ tests, there are still a number of very intelligent blacks. Does the Bell Curve not also apply to straight line speed, e.g., even if blacks on average can run 40 yards in a straight line faster than the average White, nonetheless there will still be Whites who have exceptional straight line speed, especially given that there are roughly five times as many whites as blacks in this country.

Also, what football tests measure your hallowed "hip flexibility"? If "hip flexibility" is so vital to determining who deserves to be drafted by the NFL, why isn't it tested at the Combine and at Pro Days? "Hip flexibility" is a purely subjective, essentially made up characteristic used to justify the mythology surrounding the Caste System.

 

[spiritofspook]

also have to remember that blacks are only 12-13 percent of the population.

there is no proof that coaches are purposely doing it? have you heard coaches talk? I have heard them, Bowden laughed at the idea of a White runningback, he isn't alone in his thoughts. Coaches think its easier to stereotype rather than having to sort through talent. Yes the proof is on the field, every time A White player gets a chance he excels, usually to go back to the bench, something we have seen and documented time after time. This also allows for teams to have backups for much cheaper and insure no drop off in play if their super star afflete gets injured. The White kids on the college teams are there to keep the GPA average up, although they excel in practice against the starters.

Has it occured to you that Bowden laughed at that idea becuase he has seen the severe lack of ability from most white running backs?

What exactly do you think happened in the NFL/NBA in the mid 70s early 80s? How did all of these positions become dominated by black players while others stayed white? John Riggins played into the 80s, but you dont think that they noticed that Walter peyton was a bit faster and quicker? What starting point for this grand conspiracy.

Furthermore in relation to you earlier points about whites hating on white athletes... REALLY!

Tim Tebow has the number one selling Jersey in the league and has had numerous add campaigns DESPITE his less than adequate throwing ability. Jason Seahorn was an absolute star. Jayson Williams (white point gaurd for the sacramento kings) was a huge star, Keith Vanhorn was a Huge star, Mike Alstott, Peyton Hillis, and so on. All of these guys were huge stars (often beyond their actuall ability) because they played positions or styles more akin to black athletes. You never heard anyone say anything negative about Mike Alstott. And until last years debacle you heard nothing bad about Peyton Hillis. You are mistaking sports rhetoric for anti white sentiment FROM OTHER WHITES. Im sorry it just doesnt make sense.

I garuntee the NFL is praying that Tebow learns to throw, becuase he could be the biggest star any major sport has seen since Micheal Jordan. Just becuase there are loud detractors (who are justified considering Tebows inability to throw the ball) doesnt mean they are self hating whites.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Has it occured to you that Bowden laughed at that idea becuase he has seen the severe lack of ability from most white running backs?

What exactly do you think happened in the NFL/NBA in the mid 70s early 80s? How did all of these positions become dominated by black players while others stayed white? John Riggins played into the 80s, but you dont think that they noticed that Walter peyton was a bit faster and quicker? What starting point for this grand conspiracy.

Furthermore in relation to you earlier points about whites hating on white athletes... REALLY!

Tim Tebow has the number one selling Jersey in the league and has had numerous add campaigns DESPITE his less than adequate throwing ability. Jason Seahorn was an absolute star. Jayson Williams (white point gaurd for the sacramento kings) was a huge star, Keith Vanhorn was a Huge star, Mike Alstott, Peyton Hillis, and so on. All of these guys were huge stars (often beyond their actuall ability) because they played positions or styles more akin to black athletes. You never heard anyone say anything negative about Mike Alstott. And until last years debacle you heard nothing bad about Peyton Hillis. You are mistaking sports rhetoric for anti white sentiment FROM OTHER WHITES. Im sorry it just doesnt make sense.

I garuntee the NFL is praying that Tebow learns to throw, becuase he could be the biggest star any major sport has seen since Micheal Jordan. Just becuase there are loud detractors (who are justified considering Tebows inability to throw the ball) doesnt mean they are self hating whites.

Every black on the team turned on Hillis last year. Don't give me any of your crap. Tebow is the number one selling jersey because the guy is actually a good human being who cares about people. In a league full of convicted felons that's a small change wouldn't you say?

Never hear anything bad said about Keith Van Horn? Give me a break you fool! Van Horn was my favorite player for a few seasons and going to Nets games during my high school years plenty of whites were screaming obsceneities at Van Horn during games while a peep wasn't said about the other ultra-athletic brothers on the team. Van Horn was maybe the most ridiculed player in the league. I've mentioned this before on this site and members will vouch for me. I actually went to the games.

 

[Don Wassall]

First of all, you may be a Ph.D. candidate, but you should read the posting guidelines before you join any forum. This is an opponent-free site. We know all your arguments ad nauseum; the corporate media uniformly promotes them and most sports fans are true believers in them. If we allowed opponents to post here, we would be swamped by both the rare well-meaning ones (such as possibly yourself), along with countless troglodytes and knuckle-draggers.

Next, before you join a forum you should do more than read just a couple of threads before proclaiming yourself knowledgeable about what the forum stands for. Your continual use of "conspiracy theory" is a typical tactic of defenders of the status quo who wish to misrepresent and diminish the ideas of those who don't buy the party line, whether in politics or when it comes to affirmative action in sports.

Here is an article by J. B. Cash that presents the Caste System's role in the bigger picture (it also mentions some of the mainstream media articles that discuss discrimination against White RBs). There is so much other valuable information on this site; I hope you will continue reading even after your inevitable banning.

http://www.castefootball.us/forums/threads/8644-The-Racial-Caste-System-in-Sports

 

[seattlefan]

You all (this site as a whole) mean to postulate that the NFL and the NBA, the two biggest (most lucrative?) sports entities in the country are PURPOSEFULLY cutting into their own profits to promote a racial agenda? WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS?

Why not? There are businesses and governments that have diversity agendas and affirmative action that limits their incomes. The NFL is small beans compared to that. Look up people like Richard Lapchick, who has made it his life's purpose to reduce the amount of white athletes in pro sports.

 

[dwid]

I wonder if they noticed that Walter Payton couldn't score a td in Super Bowl and that Riggins was the sole reason for the Redskins post season dominance, and btw you do realize he was like in his 30's with the Redskins? he was just as quick and had more straight line speed than Walter Payton in his early days with the Jets. This was after knee injuries etc. before the scientific advances with surgeries etc, yet this over 30 rb was still able to hang with an integrated league. Look at LT, one of the most gifted backs to come on the scene, he looks like crap in his 30's, and he has struggled to hang, never played on the slightest injuries even in the postseason, definetly couldn't carry the ball 30+ times a game like Riggins did.

 

[spiritofspook]

Look at the huge double standard. Matt Jones who was probably the best athlete for a player of his size of all time, was quickly booted out of the league for drinking a beer during a golf game. Yet idiots like Pacman JOnes can commit dozens of felonies and the league always gives them second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth chances.

The league also hasn't allowed very athletic white quarterbacks to play until recently(Jake Locker.) Matt Jones, Scott Frost, Jared Zabransky, and Eric Crouch supposedly wouldn't have been able to hack it at quarterback yet Vick could. Give me a break man!

Matt Jones also was riding the white horse if you know what i mean... Not to mention that he was never all that good, he was outperformed by Earnest wilford half the time. He was one of many 1st round reciever bust from Jacksonville along with R.J Soward and... some other guy from washington whose name eludes me. Can they cry racism too? Cherry picking again. Also dont pac man and Jones play for the same team? And pac man was never actually convicted of any crimes but...

Also Eric Crouch couldnt throw the damn ball. And last i checked, Steve young, Fran Tarkenton, Jake Plummer, and countless others were very athletic AND could throw the ball. Also, lets not act like Woodrow Danzler, Micheal Bishop, Heins Ward, Micheal Robninson, and countless other black QBs did not suffer the same fate.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Matt Jones also was riding the white horse if you know what i mean... Not to mention that he was never all that good, he was outperformed by Earnest wilford half the time. He was one of many 1st round reciever bust from Jacksonville along with R.J Soward and... some other guy from washington whose name eludes me. Can they cry racism too? Cherry picking again. Also dont pac man and Jones play for the same team? And pac man was never actually convicted of any crimes but...

Also Eric Crouch couldnt throw the damn ball. And last i checked, Steve young, Fran Tarkenton, Jake Plummer, and countless others were very athletic AND could throw the ball. Also, lets not act like Woodrow Danzler, Micheal Bishop, Heins Ward, Micheal Robninson, and countless other black QBs did not suffer the same fate.

Bishop, Danzler, Ward, and Robinson were garbage. That's why. They played in systems that made them look good. Yes Young Tarkenton and Plummer were fast but not 4.5 speed. Only blacks who run 4.5 or faster are allowed to play qb until the small trickle we see now in Jake Locker.

How was Jones a bust. He was on his way to a 1,000 yard season but didn't hit it because of the suspension. Plus he was learning a new position. Very different from how black quarterbacks are given 10 plus years to prove themselves but a white receiver learning the position from scratch is out much, much faster after having a breakout season.

Wrong again. Crouch could throw. If he played qb in the NFL he'd have the rushing record for an NFL quarterback, not Vick.

 

[dwid]

he got caught with coke once, you know how many times Andre Rison did coke? too many times to count. Go ask Bobby ****rt. Ricky Williams? yeah he didn't just smoke pot. Lawence Taylor? a ton of black athletes. If he was caught in his hometown with it with an old college friend, there is no reason to think that he had any connections for it in Jacksonville and addicted to it.

and he was a college quarterback, do you know how long it takes to learn how to become pro receiver? there are black receivers who PLAYED receiver in college and still take 3 to 4 years to learn the position, he had 800+ yards his last year in a dink and dunk ball controll offense that never utilized his deep speed.

 

[seattlefan]

BTW, the biggest roadblock for white athletes isn't getting shafted in the NFL. It is not getting recruited onto college teams. There are no white cbs in the NFL because there is only a tiny handful in the college game. That comes down to college recruiters who might even be more biased than the NFL is.

 

[celticdb15]

Matt Jones also was riding the white horse if you know what i mean... Not to mention that he was never all that good, he was outperformed by Earnest wilford half the time. He was one of many 1st round reciever bust from Jacksonville along with R.J Soward and... some other guy from washington whose name eludes me. Can they cry racism too? Cherry picking again. Also dont pac man and Jones play for the same team? And pac man was never actually convicted of any crimes but...

Also Eric Crouch couldnt throw the damn ball. And last i checked, Steve young, Fran Tarkenton, Jake Plummer, and countless others were very athletic AND could throw the ball. Also, lets not act like Woodrow Danzler, Micheal Bishop, Heins Ward, Micheal Robninson, and countless other black QBs did not suffer the same fate.

As far as Earnest Willford(no longer in the NFL) outperforming Matt Jones did you ever take into consideration the noodle armed David Garrard was the Jags Qb?! Matt Jones should have been in a vertical passing attack unfortunately Garrard did not and never had the talent to run such an offense so they ran their version of the dink and dunk.

Eric Crouch's arm strength often comes into question.. He was basically a runningback (6'0 200 4.5 speed) in Nebraska's offense so why was he projected as a WR or Safety in the NFL after rarely running routes in his entire life(besides a few explosive gimmick plays in college).

 

[celticdb15]

BTW, the biggest roadblock for white athletes isn't getting shafted in the NFL. It is not getting recruited onto college teams. There are no white cbs in the NFL because there is only a tiny handful in the college game. That comes down to college recruiters who might even be more biased than the NFL is.

Exactly! I played HS football with a white kid he had decent size for a corner(6'0 165) and he consistently ran in the 4.5 range. He was lean and muscular he didn't lack "fast twitch" muscles. He had a great Sr year playing CB and Slot even helped our team advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Come decision time for college the only team that showed interest was Dayton and they can't even offer their players scholarships! Fast forward to 2012 and he will be heading into his Junior year as a three year starter at CB at the FCS level. Ya I find it hard to believe he wasn't worthy of a scholarship from at least a MAC team or a preferred walk-on in the Big Ten.

 

[dwid]

I think Scott Frost was just as screwed, he wasn't the runner Crouch was, but he actually converted well to safety and still was screwed over despite performing well. I have a tape with him playing quite a few snaps at safety and he looks great at the position, even put a nice hit on McCaffrey.

 

[spiritofspook]

First of all, you may be a Ph.D. candidate, but you should read the posting guidelines before you join any forum. This is an opponent-free site. We know all your arguments ad nauseum; the corporate media uniformly promotes them and most sports fans are true believers in them. If we allowed opponents to post here, we would be swamped by both the rare well-meaning ones (such as possibly yourself), along with countless troglodytes and knuckle-draggers.

Next, before you join a forum you should do more than read just a couple of threads before proclaiming yourself knowledgeable about what the forum stands for. Your continual use of "conspiracy theory" is a typical tactic of defenders of the status quo who wish to misrepresent and diminish the ideas of those who don't buy the party line, whether in politics or when it comes to affirmative action in sports.

Here is an article by J. B. Cash that presents the Caste System's role in the bigger picture (it also mentions some of the mainstream media articles that discuss discrimination against White RBs). There is so much other valuable information on this site; I hope you will continue reading even after your inevitable banning.

http://www.castefootball.us/forums/threads/8644-The-Racial-Caste-System-in-Sports

Lot of comments to reply to, but ive got things to get into so i will try to get to them quickly.

1- Thank you Wassal, your post was fairly informed and was actually on topic. To address you point, yes i am aware of the bell curve, the IQ testing stuff etc, and much like the IQ testing stuff, it is clear that there are more prevelant cultural elements to explain it other than any sort of "bias" on a particular group. I am sure there are some whites who could play cornerback in the NFL, but they are more likely playing reciver, soccer, baseball, or pursuing a life outside of sports. Maybe this is what the caste system speaks of in some way, but im still skeptical of the way many of you are presenting it (as if there is some grand conspiracy against whites BY OTHER WHITES to make this happen) thank you for this link, i will give it a look before i post again.

2- Andre Rison, Lawrence Taylor, etc were all REALLY GOOD. Matt Jones was not. Yes he was learning a new postion, but he didnt do it well, and being a project, he shouldnt have been drafted in the 1st. Heins Ward, , Antwan Randle el Jerry Porter(from the raiders, might be the wrong name) and a bunch of other converts turned out great but were also drafted in 3 rounds and later. It was not discrimination. He was given 5 years to pan out, he didnt, AND he had off the field problems. I can name plenty of black players (Quincy Carter, Lawrence Phillps, Maurice Clarett) that were just as average and suffered the same fate. He had one season of 700 yards, and 2 touchdowns in like his 4th year. Sorry that is not good enough. He is a bust be realistic, it hurts your entire argument when you are this unreasonable.

3- "Hip flexibility" is the way that scouts describe what they see on football tape. You know, the most important thing in evaluation. Time and again scouts that fall in love with 40 times are burned when they ignore bad tape. White players have bad tape. These coaches see them every day in practice. They see them get burned/not get separation. They dont have the scheme that bellichek has to cover up weaknesses, so they would rather spend time developing mental aspects than physical deficiencies. Again, no one has offered up the idea that coaches would purposefully set superior white athletes aside for black ones.

4- Eric crouch was too slightly built to be a nfl running back which is why reciever seemed more logical... safety? IDK why that was an option.

5- The only valid point thus far came from Seattle fan. I definitely think there may be some smoke to the fire of big time football programs not giving white corners a chance in recruiting. That actually makes sense. Still, when they are getting the TOP recruits at the position, why would they put in too much work recruiting novelty players.

6- How many white QBs actually have had 4.5 speed in the last 15 years? Some of you guys sound just as bad as black fans defending Mike Vick.

 

[Liverlips]

"Liverlips youre going too fast with your off topic quips i cant keep up..."

How are they off topic when I am simply responding to/ quoting your arguments?