Reality

[Guest]

Buddy Young was an NCAA 100yd champion way back in the 40's. Then there was Olympian Ollie Matson in the 50's. The 60's saw Jimmy Brown, John Henry Johnson, Lenny Moore, Dick Bass, J.D.Smith, Timmy Brown. All great black running backs. Sure there was Jim Taylor but who else as far as stud "white" backs went? Ok..Hugh "The King" McElhenny. When the AFL came into existence in 1960 we had...Cookie Gilchrist, Paul Lowe, Clem Daneils and Abner Haynes all black runners who would gain a 1000 yds in a season. Yes there was also Keith "white"Lincoln but he never had a 1000 yd season. Today we see nothing but black running backs. Oh sure we might see an Alstott/Czonka type white cat banging the line but when it comes to a gamebreaker....black! Why do all of you "here" struggle with this so? If you "must" play this.."all those black dudes are on drugs"...well then explain all those great backs way back in the day like a Marion Mottley, Bobby Mitchell, Willie Galimore,Jimmy Brown, Leroy Kelly, Gale Sayers...were they on drugs?


You guys got off into all those fast white cats in the NFL. Yet none of you really have a clue. The fastest paleface to ever play in the NFL was a guy out of SMU named John Roderick. He was a legit 9.3 guy. As a Dolphin....bust! No Tim Dwight didn't have "world class" speed. He was a 10.33 guy wind aided. When he won the Big10 for Iowa he ran a 10.4ish. That won't win Cal State high school. No Don Beebe or Travis Jervey had "world class" speed. Go ahead try and prove me wrong, show me their track credentials while in college. Nothing special at all. Would you believe...Bob Hayes, Sam Graddy, Frank Budd, Willie McGee, Ray Norton, Travis Williams, Ron Brown, Jamaal Charles,Terrence Newman, Curtis Dickey, Willie Gault, Mel Gray, Isacc Curtis,Darrel Green,Alvis Whitted, Michael Bennett, Deion Sanders, Hercshel Walker, Cliff Branch, Phil Epps, James Jett, James Trapp, Curtis Conway, Cecil Turner, Henry Carr, Anthony Miller, Johnny Jones, Michael Haynes and Michael Bates all ran a sub 10.30m/9.4yds? Now other than Roderick show me that white cat to pull that off? Well there was Tennesse hurdler Richmond Flowers but he only ran a 9.4. Not sure what 13.3 man Jerry Tarr out of Oregon/Broncos ran the 100 in. Don Hutson the old Green Bay Packer had some serious jets for his day, a 9.8yds. Thorpe and "The Galloping Ghost" could scoot.


I'm hoping you guys "finally" figure me out. Big time track/football fan who could school this entire board on who, what, where and when. Yet because I know better than to..."well if whites only got their shot, they'd..." I get treated like a square at a circles convention. Didn't Sam McGuffie get his shot? Why wasn't he told.."boy, only blacks can..." Why wasn't sprinter Dallas Robinson told..."sorry son, wrong color!"


Are you people telling me you've... **honestly**... never noticed how far more agile/elusive/quick/fast black athletes are when compared to whites? You can't be serious if you are. Blacks kids are outrunning little white kids. We see those going to be great black backs at the high school level. Ever see a highlight video of Reggie Bush at Helix High? That Noel Devine video looks like a video game. Yes I know..."oh yeah, well what about McGuffie?" Ok cool. Now rattle off a dozen other speedy/quick/elusive white backs in the last 30 years? I can't even begin to name all those quick/agile/speedy blacks ones. Yes I could but it wouldtake wayyyyy too long. Look at NCAA football today withJeff Demps 10.01 and Trindon Holiday 10.02. Hell the SEC has had....Leonard Scott, Xavier Carter and John Capel. Before Bush USC had Sultan "10.17" McCullough. Now who here wants to try and talk "white" speed on a football field?


Wake up to.....reality...ok?


What college/NFL team doesn't have a speedy andtall black receiver? Where are those fast white receivers at 6-3? Here's where you..."ever hear of Matt Jones"...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!


There is a reason we have to go back to Hugh "The King" McElhenny, John David Crow, Sonny Randle and Lance Alworth from the 60's to find some fast paleface "stars" in the NFL. No it's not about the lack of opportunity. it's in the fact they can't compete with the superior black athete.


Wake up to....reality...ok?


I understand my stay here will be a short one, nobody "here" really wants to deal with that "reality" when it's more fun to live in that fantasy world you've created here so I'll also touch on some track.


Would you believe no white American has ever ran a sub 10.10? Hard to believe isn't it? Would you believe we have to go all the way back to 1964 and Dartmouths Gerry Ashworth to find a white sprinter on a USA Olympic 4x1 team? He was there because oif injuries to blacks Mel Pender and Trenton Jackson. Yes Bobby Morrow and Dave Sime were great sprinters as were Mel Patton and Hal Davis.Then after 1960..............poof!!!!! No not forgetting Georgia Tech's Ben Vaughn but he never ran on an Olympic team.


By now it should be obvious I know this stuff, hell I could talk about guys none of you have ever heard of, how about 9.2yds Andrew Hopkins out of Stephen F.Austin or maybe Laverne "9.3" Smith out of Kansas. Injuries did them in. Yes more black speedsters on a football field. For you uninformed. know little, need an education, to try and tell me.."no that's not right"...hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!








Now this could read...Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, Tony Dorsett, Walter Payton, Paul Lowe, Abner Haynes, Eric Dickerson, O.J.Simpson, LaDanian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, Lenny Moore. Bobby Mitchell etc etc etc etc etc etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX56hikHW6g&feature=relat ed























Edited by: Black Ace

 

[whiteathlete33]

We have another troll here. You clowns never stop do you?Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[Guest]

We have another troll here.

Zooooomed right over your head didn't it? So unless I ignore real life and delve into this fantasy world here at castefootball, I must be a vicious/ignorant troll? Dude, you didn't get the feel I knew what I was talking about there? I got into this stuff around 1962, how about you?

 

[whiteathlete33]

First of all there are almost no NFL players with world class speed. I am not going to argue with you because you are ignorant and make no sense. Why are whites dominating boxing. Whites dominate every other sport except basketball and football. We win 70 percent of medals in the summer olympics. Look at the world's strongest man. Do you see any blacks there? Nope all white dominated. Now why don't you go to blackathlete.com and talk your nonsense there.Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[Guest]

First of all there are almost no NFL players with world class speed. I am not going to argue with you because you are ignorant and make no sense. Why are whites dominating boxing. Whites dominate every other sport except basketball and football. We win 70 percent of medals in the summer olympics. Look at the world's strongest man. Do you see any blacks there? Nope all white dominated. Now why don't you go to blackathlete.com and talk your nonsense there.

Somebody here is past being ignorant little one. So .."Olympic speedsters/NFL players"..


Bob Hayes


Henry Carr


Ollie Matson


Ron Brown


Sam Graddy


Johnny Jones


Gerald Tinker


Larry Burton


James Jett





You know nothing about? Education is a great thing....ok?


How about these sub 10.20 NFLers other than those mentioned?


Phil Epps


Alvis Whitted


Curtis Dickey


Willie Gault


James Trapp


Darrel Green


Remember the old "100 yard dash"..? How about 9.3 and faster?


Mel Gray


Cliff Branch


Cecil Turner


Isacc Curtis


Willie McGee


Henry Carr


Bob Hayes


Travis Williams


No world class speedsters in the NFL? DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How about running backs with "world class" speed?


Curtis Dickey was world ranked his senior season at Texas A&M. Ollie Matson was an Oly bronze medalist in the 1952 400m. Hercshel Walker was a 10.23 guy. The Cheifs have Jamaal Charles a 10.2ish guy at Texas. Jeff Demps is a 10.01 guy at Florida. Trindon Holliday a 10.02 guy at LSU. Both will get a shot in the NFL. Bo Jackson? Ever hear of Wisconsons/Vikings Michael Bennett?


Dude...educate yourself...ok?


Edited by: Black Ace

 

[Observer]

Hello again, Brutal, Texas Tech, etc. !

Guys, I've found Brutal on some track & field forums. Actually, he's kind of a good guy to have around if you know how to deal with him. He has a reputation as being very obstinate and opinionated, and will stick to his guns even if when everybody else thinks he's wrong. But he is also a walking reference book of the history of track and football. I'm not sure how old he is, but I think he goes back far enough that he has knowledge of some of these athletes back from the time when they actually played, both the whites and the blacks.

 

[jaxvid]

This guy needs another hobby! Constantly coming here with his lists, we always tell him that the NFL pool is limited because the good white athletes are ignored in the college recruiting process or slotted to other positions. So they are not in the NFL. Furthermore the arguement about black speed is no good when you consider they can't catch. No amount of speed makes up for the fact that blacks have the hand eye coordination of a toddler. The list of speedsters show very few good receivers. Bob Hayes? He was just another good receiver, often outplayed in his day by white receivers.


And furthermore black players are stupid. Look at the mental midgets they have at QB? Jamarcus, Tavarious, Seneca, Vince Young. Ha ha what a bunch of retards. Hold your banner high black ace that you are among a group of people who's claim to fame is that they can outrun the authorities when they are in the process of committingone of themany crimes that black people commit.


White people will have to be satisfied with being all aroung good athletes, inspired creators of technology and art, architects of the modern world, and so beautiful that black people consider it the ultimate in acheivement if they can convince one to sleep with them.

 

[Guest]

Hello again, Brutal, Texas Tech, etc. !

Guys, I've found Brutal on some track & field forums. Actually, he's kind of a good guy to have around if you know how to deal with him. He has a reputation as being very obstinate and opinionated, and will stick to his guns even if when everybody else thinks he's wrong. But he is also a walking reference book of the history of track and football. I'm not sure how old he is, but I think he goes back far enough that he has knowledge of some of these athletes back from the time when they actually played, both the whites and the blacks.

Got into this back in the early 60's. I'm 59 years old and ran track/played football. I'm also a curious type who has this need to know, so I have delved into things from way back in the day. Obviously 'here" anyone not buying into what is being sold here will be a troll/dummy/punk/ignorant this and that etc etc etc. Well aware of that and don't care. I have seen enought in my life to understand what's real and what's bull. You guys are only fooling yourselves and it's sad to watch. Those of us who "really" know track/football know why things are as we see them.Edited by: Black Ace

 

[Guest]

This guy needs another hobby! Constantly coming here with his lists, we always tell him that the NFL pool is limited because the good white athletes are ignored in the college recruiting process or slotted to other positions. So they are not in the NFL. Furthermore the arguement about black speed is no good when you consider they can't catch. No amount of speed makes up for the fact that blacks have the hand eye coordination of a toddler. The list of speedsters show very few good receivers. Bob Hayes? He was just another good receiver, often outplayed in his day by white receivers.


And furthermore black players are stupid. Look at the mental midgets they have at QB? Jamarcus, Tavarious, Seneca, Vince Young. Ha ha what a bunch of retards. Hold your banner high black ace that you are among a group of people who's claim to fame is that they can outrun the authorities when they are in the process of committingone of themany crimes that black people commit.


White people will have to be satisfied with being all aroung good athletes, inspired creators of technology and art, architects of the modern world, and so beautiful that black people consider it the ultimate in acheivement if they can convince one to sleep with them.

What are you 14? Never heard of Jerry Rice? You do realize only about 5-6 % of the US population are black males between 16-30..right? Yet that tiny % rules the speed world...why? Could it be physical differences? Ya think? Educate yourself slick..ok?

 

[jaxvid]

Got into this back in the early 60's. I'm 59 years old and ran track/played football. I'm also a curious type who has this need to know, so I have delved into things from way back in the day.

No you don't have a "need to know" you have a need to lecture. You sense we have hit on somthing good here, something people are supportive of and you are trying to subvert that with you rants.

Oviously 'here" anyone not buying into what is being sold here will be a troll/dummy/punk/ignorant this and that etc etc etc. Well aware of that and don't care. I have seen enought in my life to understand what's real and what's bull. You guys are only fooling yourselves and it's sad to watch. Those of us who "really" know track/football know why things are as we see them.

It's not just that you are a troll, you are a rude repeat violator of the site rules. Nobody cares about your viewpoint, we hear it all day long and from much better propaganda spreaders then you. Try to use your tiny IQ to understand the concept of racial discrimination as it pertains to whites.Edited by: jaxvid

 

[jaxvid]

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What are you 14? Never heard of Jerry Rice? You do realize only about 5-6 % of the US population are black males between 16-30..right? Yet that tiny % rules the speed world...why? Could it be physical differences? Ya think? Educate yourself slick..ok?

Yeah right I'm the 14 year old

I'm not the guy that comes onto others people sites on a regular basis just to pester them with the same wrong information.


And yes I've heard of Jerry Rice, also heard of the guy who broke all of his small school records and got NO chance in the NFL, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, all because he was WHITE. Racial discrimination, sterotypeing, slotting, unfairness. Ever heard of them, well that is what happened to David Ball. David Ball is not going to be on one of your stupid lists because he is never going to get a chance because he is white. I'm guessing that there are many more white guys that would be on the list if the double standard wasn't rigidly enforced. Sorry your lists are meaningless in light of the information that we have that proves discrimination against white players.

 

[Thrashen]

"Ever see a highlight video of Reggie Bush at Helix High?"


Hey Black Ace, is that the same Reggie Bush (from Helix High) featured in this photo of the California State HS track championships? WAIT! What's that? Is that white man beating a superior human like Bush for 1st place?....looks like it.

If you're such an encyclopedia of useless jock-sniffer facts, how and why did this white teen beat Bush (future heisman trophy winner) that day? How did he overcome his "inferior" genetics? I guess his great-grandmother was black, right? Well, I guess this is what happens when white athletes get a chance to shine in college track. Let me guess, you have some long-winded "explaination" for this "lucky win."

BTW, Jaxvid, that's a great point about WR David Ball. No chance to succeed in the NFL, despite putting up better numbers than the best WR (numbers wise) in NFL history, Jerry Rice.Edited by: Thrashen

 

[Guest]

Not my website but I vote in favor of BA sticking around, heck he remembered Phil Epps former Packer, (Epps a slightly built man, speedster and fairly game, but no Donald Driver). Also he did mention genetic differences next he will admit they affect brain function as well. Great point about David Ball and Hass with ol' eye for black speed Lovie Smith there they wouldn't get a chance.Edited by: wile

 

[InfamousOne]

This guy needs another hobby!  Constantly coming here with his lists, we always tell him that the NFL pool is limited because the good white athletes are ignored in the college recruiting process or slotted to other positions. So they are not in the NFL. Furthermore the arguement about black speed is no good when you consider they can't catch. No amount of speed makes up for the fact that blacks have the hand eye coordination of a toddler. The list of speedsters show very few good receivers. Bob Hayes? He was just another good receiver, often outplayed in his day by white receivers.


And furthermore black players are stupid. Look at the mental midgets they have at QB? Jamarcus, Tavarious, Seneca, Vince Young. Ha ha what a bunch of retards. Hold your banner high black ace that you are among a group of people who's claim to fame is that they can outrun the authorities when they are in the process of committing one of the many crimes that black people commit.


White people will have to be satisfied with being all aroung good athletes, inspired creators of technology and art, architects of the modern world, and so beautiful that black people consider it the ultimate in acheivement if they can convince one to sleep with them.

What are you 14? Never heard of Jerry Rice? You do realize only about 5-6 % of the US population are black males between 16-30..right? Yet that tiny % rules the speed world...why?  Could it be physical differences?  Ya think?  Educate yourself slick..ok?

Jerry Rice 40 time - 4.6. 50 td.
David Ball 40 time - 4.6. 58 td.

Your post is nonsense, 4.6 speed is common among white athletes. Many of those "olympic speed" athletes you listed were failures in the NFL. And we are referring to two men who had the same measurables, one a black arguably the greatest WR in the nfl and the other a white who wasnt given a chance.

Kevin Curtis - 4.30 speed. Matt Jones 4.37 (6'6 242 find me a black with those stats). Are they an anomoly? Or do whites have more options in college besides sports?

Imagine if there was a recruiting program for white athletes that spanned our 66% of the population like they comb over blacks looking for talent. How many Matt Jones and Kevin Curtis's are there, that didnt get a college scholarship because of thier "athletic potential"?

Now its your turn: Why are black WR dropping so many passes? Why are black QB generally inferior to thier white counterparts? Why cant blacks compete in hockey if they have "magical hip swivel"? Why can't blacks swim? Why can't blacks win strength competitions? Why are all the powerlifting records held by white men? Why are blacks being dominated in boxing by eastern european white men lately?

 

[Liverlips]

Isn't it funny how all-white high school football teams usually beat all-black high school teams? Yet the blacks get the scholarships and the whites walk on in Division II.

 

[White Shogun]

FRAT

 

[guest301]

FRAT

Some four letter words speak volumes including that one. I feel the same way today about this thread, FRAT. Edited by: guest301

 

[whiteathlete33]

This guy posted the exact same stuff a few weeks ago. What a loser.

 

[Ibanez]

Well, for those out there who do not understand social structure and the context in which we all live:

White are discouraged either directly or indirectly from participating in 'speed' athletics.

Most of the discouragement is indirect because it is part of the general North American 'unconscious' culture of knowledge-- white guys are slow, and can't jump, don't have the fast twitch muscle fibers of blacks etc.

I don't know how this came about, but it is for sure part of our collective beleifs in North America. It is so pervasive that people of all races are free to OPENLY joke about it. OPENLY.

Now, follow the logic here:

1. If you have a culture where this is the case, then assumptions are made with athletics, and things start to fall in place according to the commonly held beliefs.

2. This means a number of things commonly occur: Little 12 year old white Johnny grows up with this cultural mentality, so his coaches, parents, and even himself unconsciously think that he will never be able to perform at a high level in a 'speed' sport. This is because it is commonly held beleif that only blacks are able to do this.

3. Coaches direct their attention and resources to athletes who fit the prototype-- black people rather than what they think is a statistical outlier in a white speedster, so the whites do not develop because they do not get the shot.

4. Therefore if whites are not selected to partake in the speed positions or sports due to a conscious or unconscious bias, THAT IS WHY THERE ARE NO f**kING WHITE PEOPLE IN THOSE SPEED POSITIONS IDIOT.

For example, to do an analogy to your argument:

It is 1946 in America. "Why are there no black politicians or black engineers, scientists, doctors?" "Ahh, they don't have what it takes!"

Well, they DO have what it takes, BUT obviously they were kept out of advancing into those positions for a variety or reasons.

Jeez.

 

[Keith Lincoln]

Guest said " Buddy Young was an NCAA 100yd champion way back in the 40's. Then there was Olympian Ollie Matson in the 50's. The 60's saw Jimmy Brown, John Henry Johnson, Lenny Moore,...When the AFL came into existence in 1960 we had...Cookie Gilchrist, Paul Lowe, Clem Daneils and Abner Haynes all black runners who would gain a 1000 yds in a season. ..... Go ahead try and prove me wrong, show me their track credentials while in college. No it's not about the lack of opportunity. it's in the fact they can't compete with the superior black athete. Wake up to....reality...ok? I understand my stay here will be a short one, nobody "here" really wants to deal with that "reality" when it's more fun to live in that fantasy world you've created here so I'll also touch on some track. By now it should be obvious I know this stuff, ... For you uninformed. know little, need an education, to try and tell me.""




What's your point? Blacks do have more sprinters and had more players
at speed positions before
whites were forbidden (despite their skills) to play "skill" positions.
I'll give you the answer. Blacks are one standard deviation below whites
in IQ. Blacks average IQ is 85 which is not high enough for any
occupation other than drivers, movers and other jobs which require
little thinking. Since blacks are limited by their IQ they gravitated
to track sprinting, and logically to running back in football. Even
black track coaches say there are undiscovered white Carl Lewis . Whites
have more options due to higher IQ and don't need to put energy into a
"career" which even if they reach the pros may last 3 years and leave
them permanently injured. I ran track in junior high and high school. Running track was a religion to black boys. Why? Because they knew they lacked the intellect to go the academic route. Why don't you wake up. Last year, not one black in the entire USA was awarded a Ph.D in any science. Easy subject areas like teaching were the only academic areas in which blacks earned Ph Ds You know the saying "THOSE WHO CAN DO. THOSE WHO CAN'T TEACH (or spend 5 hours a day for 15 years to become a sprinter)"


Edited by: Keith Lincoln

 

[OldSchoolBoy75]

Figures the ones who like to stir things up here always go by the name "Guests".

 

[Don Wassall]

"Guests" is what their user name automatically defaults to after they've been banned. Too bad the board software doesn't default them to "Troll."

 

[Andrew Lynch]

I obviously have a pro-white athlete bias, but I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would go onto a site like this just to annoy the people on it. That'd be like me going to a black panther meeting and bringing up all the white contributions. I better stop now before I give myself ideas.

 

[Freedom]

That's a great picture Thrashen!

 

[Thrashen]

Thanks man, I frequently use that picture whenever some jock-boy is trying to hype Reggie Bush.