RB -- Brian Leonard

chris371

Mentor
Joined
Dec 1, 2006
Messages
715
white is right said:
backrow said:
pics from Senior Bowl:

Leonard01_23_07_2_b.jpg


Leonard01_23_07_1_b.jpg


Leonard01_24_07_1_b.jpg


Posluszny01_24_07_1_b.jpg
Is it me or does Leonard look light upstairs? His arms look like recievers arms? I know he shed weight but he looks really slim.

Then its a good thing hes a football player and not a Biceps/triceps bodybuilding competitor.
Dont mean to be rude. But some of the best players ive played with had very little in the arms. Hitting certainly has nothing to do with arm circumferance.
 

backrow

Hall of Famer
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Messages
7,363
Location
Spain
exactly. if they measured runningbacks by their arm circumference Mike pittman would be best ever
smiley17.gif




PresidentBush09_21_06_12_b.jpg
 

white is right

Hall of Famer
Joined
Feb 16, 2006
Messages
10,163
backrow said:
exactly. if they measured runningbacks by their arm circumference Mike pittman would be best ever
smiley17.gif
I thing GWB came up with steroids legislation after seeing those arms.....



PresidentBush09_21_06_12_b.jpg
smiley36.gif
 

Jimmy Chitwood

Hall of Famer
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Messages
8,975
Location
Arkansas
White Mike said:
I heard scouts talking about the Pats using Brian in 3rd down / short  yardage back. Picture Marion Barber in Dallas.

if so, Brian certainly showed the ability to succeed in that role with his performance. i'll re-post here a portion of what i wrote on the Senior Bowl thread...

i went back and watched the game on Tivo, and it was better the second time around.

Brian had 5 carries for 18 yards and the one catch for 13. but those numbers are misleading if not taken in context...

his first touch was a dive on 4th & 2 inside the 20, and he ran over Patrick Willis to gain 6 yards. he picked up the first down. even Mayock was excited by the play.

his second touch was a reception in the flat on 4th & 7... he juked the corner out of his shoes then ended the run-after-catch by lowering his shoulder and running through the safety for 13. he picked up the first down. Mayock commented, saying, "look at the nimble feet for the big man." which began the following discussion with Vermeil when he commented about Brian losing weight...

"Keep it up, because there aren't many fullbacks," said Vermeil.

"Plus, he doesn't want to be a fullback," interjected Rich Eisen as Vermeil droned on.

"That's exactly it, Rich," added Mayock.

"Too much competition at running back," continued Vermeil.

"Leonard isn't a great blocker, but he is a good blocker who understands leverage," pointed out Mayock.

to which Vermeil replied, "Blocking gets better if you get bigger."
that, my friends, is the Caste System at work. even with visual evidence right in front of his face about the versatile talents Brian offers, the NFL coach still only saw skin color. white = fullback.

now to continue with Brian's performance...

his third touch was a dive on 3rd & 2. he gained 3 and picked up the first down.

later in the drive, he had a dive on 1st & goal from the 4, where he picked up 1 yard.

his only two other touches came on back to back carries. on 1st & 10, he picked up 8 off guard after breakiing a tackle in the backfield.

then on 2nd & 2, he was hit in the backfield but managed to get back to the line of scrimmage for no loss on the play.

i thought it was an impressive performance, under the circumstances and considering the conservative plays called when he got his chances. he played a lot in the one-back set, but never got a carry. he didn't get thrown to either, despite being open on several plays. he had the misfortune of playing when Chris Leak was out there for the North, who was easily the least effective QB on their roster.
 

white is right

Hall of Famer
Joined
Feb 16, 2006
Messages
10,163
Jimmy Chitwood said:
White Mike said:
I heard scouts talking about the Pats using Brian in 3rd down / short yardage back. Picture Marion Barber in Dallas.

if so, Brian certainly showed the ability to succeed in that role with his performance. i'll re-post here a portion of what i wrote on the Senior Bowl thread...

i went back and watched the game on Tivo, and it was better the second time around.

Brian had 5 carries for 18 yards and the one catch for 13. but those numbers are misleading if not taken in context...

his first touch was a dive on 4th & 2 inside the 20, and he ran over Patrick Willis to gain 6 yards. he picked up the first down. even Mayock was excited by the play.

his second touch was a reception in the flat on 4th & 7... he juked the corner out of his shoes then ended the run-after-catch by lowering his shoulder and running through the safety for 13. he picked up the first down. Mayock commented, saying, "look at the nimble feet for the big man." which began the following discussion with Vermeil when he commented about Brian losing weight...

"Keep it up, because there aren't many fullbacks," said Vermeil.

"Plus, he doesn't want to be a fullback," interjected Rich Eisen as Vermeil droned on.

"That's exactly it, Rich," added Mayock.

"Too much competition at running back," continued Vermeil.

"Leonard isn't a great blocker, but he is a good blocker who understands leverage," pointed out Mayock.

to which Vermeil replied, "Blocking gets better if you get bigger."
that, my friends, is the Caste System at work. even with visual evidence right in front of his face about the versatile talents Brian offers, the NFL coach still only saw skin color. white = fullback.

now to continue with Brian's performance...

his third touch was a dive on 3rd & 2. he gained 3 and picked up the first down.

later in the drive, he had a dive on 1st & goal from the 4, where he picked up 1 yard.

his only two other touches came on back to back carries. on 1st & 10, he picked up 8 off guard after breakiing a tackle in the backfield.

then on 2nd & 2, he was hit in the backfield but managed to get back to the line of scrimmage for no loss on the play.

i thought it was an impressive performance, under the circumstances and considering the conservative plays called when he got his chances. he played a lot in the one-back set, but never got a carry. he didn't get thrown to either, despite being open on several plays. he had the misfortune of playing when Chris Leak was out there for the North, who was easily the least effective QB on their roster.
Vermeil saw mediocre white tailback decent white fullback I guess were quibbling on points. Sometimes I wonder if John Riggins or more pure tailbacks like the "King" would get the same comments from brain dead commentators....
smiley11.gif
Edited by: white is right
 

Colonel_Reb

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jan 9, 2005
Messages
13,987
Location
The Deep South
backrow said:
exactly. if they measured runningbacks by their arm circumference Mike pittman would be best ever
smiley17.gif




PresidentBush09_21_06_12_b.jpg

I think you mean Dan Kreider.

DanKreider.jpg
 

backrow

Hall of Famer
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Messages
7,363
Location
Spain
a-train said:
Check ot the thread on Brian Leonard very interesting.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

wow, i am pretty surprised by the ammount of positive posts in this thread! some fools are trying to knock him down for not having hip fluidity and "wiggle" but plenty of others stood up for Leonard with bunch of proofs, too!
smiley32.gif


i am very excited aout this kid, with good workout i can see him going in top 40, definitely!
 

White Shogun

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 2, 2005
Messages
6,285
That pic of Kredier is awesome. Says everything there is to say about the game of football. Who would want to tackle this guy? Look at number fitty-six lying on the ground, watching white boy run.

Priceless.
 

jaxvid

Hall of Famer
Joined
Oct 15, 2004
Messages
7,247
Location
Michigan
My prediction is that Leonard goes undrafted and signs as a free agent.

He will be one hellava special teams demon.
smiley18.gif
 

backrow

Hall of Famer
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Messages
7,363
Location
Spain
jaxvid said:
My prediction is that Leonard goes undrafted and signs as a free agent.

He will be one hellava special teams demon.
smiley18.gif

i'm 100% sure he will be drafted, in first 3 rounds most likely.

oh and Kreider's career ypc is 4.7... yet he has only 30 or so attacks...
smiley11.gif
 

whiteCB

Master
Joined
Apr 14, 2005
Messages
2,282
Yahoo Sports has Leonard ranked as the $4th BEST RB in the draft. Wow a white guy actually 4th on the list of top RBs. Leonard is going to have to tear sh*t up at the combine with a blazing 40 time if he wants to be a HB and not a FB. Leonard has the perfect size and skills to be a successful HB if given the chance.
 
Top