Jaxvid said:
And how is Christianity at fault in this? Because of the respect granted to each man by virtue of his having a soul and possessing natural rights? Something animals do not have and only weirdos think they do? And why would a pagan (or neo pagan, I don't know where you fall on the spectrum of spiritual thinking, I only know you rag on Christianity regularly) care about an animal in africa? We're all going to end up as dust right? No afterlife to be judged for our actions, so who cares if there are a few less animals somewhere that we will never visit? Does the vast cosmos care if some dentist kills one of the 30,000 lions left on the planet?
What is your ethical basis for objecting to that act? At least Christians can fall back on the reasoning of it being poor stewardship of the world God gave to man.
The acceptance of Christianity altered the white race’s mentality in unimaginable ways. Instead of worshipping his own Gods in sacred groves in the forest, he moved indoors to extravagant cathedrals laced with gold, filled with paintings and sculptures, stained glass windows, and other spiritually-distracting decadence. He moved out of the countryside and into cities. He began having shame for his own naked body and began wearing far more clothing than before. He began having an irrational fear of death and the afterlife, instead of embracing it as he once did. He began making “peace†instead of embracing the warrior he was born to be. He began concerning himself with money and possessions and industry instead of caring for that which was cherished by his forefathers: streams, mountains, animals, oceans, forests, lakes, etc. Under penalty of death, the Christian God replaced every one of our most important deities: Zeus (Greek), Odin (Norse), Jupiter (Roman), Woden (Germanic), and Perun (Slavic). All of our ceremonies, festivals, rituals, sorcery, mysticism, prayers to the Gods, sacrifices, values, and folk stories were forgotten or destroyed by Christian “missionaries†or their hired goons. A perfect representation of Judeo-Christianity’s vitriol-sodden malice for our people’s former way of life was the destruction of “Donar’s Oak,†the most sacred tree in ancient Europe. The crime of felling a gigantic oak tree is quite appropriate, as it represented a loss of innocence and our once-unbreakable connection with nature…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donar's_Oak
As I said, there was no such thing as man-made animal extinction until whites became Christian. Perhaps these atrocities against nature simply coincide with the industrial revolution and/or European colonialism/expansionism into the Americas, Southern Africa, India, the Caribbean, and Australia?
Jaxvid said:
Did someone hijack Thrashens account? Don can you look into this?
Dude, I love your posts but you gotta be trolling us. What? Pagan ancestors? loving animals? Huh?
Primitive people used animals as food, clothing, tools, and beasts of burden. Sure they identified with them. They lived like animals themselves. When they established property rights animals become property. They respected them like plantation owners respected slaves, as valuable property. We're not in a state of nature anymore. John Locke covered this a couple of hundred years ago.
Our European Pagan ancestors possessed the exact same intellectual capacity and cognitive abilities as you and I do in 2015, if not more. Our ancient fathers were conceived and born in the dark, cold, vastness of the wild and were given nothing, yet accomplished miraculous feats all over Europe. Could any of us build Stonehenge, the Drombeg Stone Circle, the Avebury Stone Circles, a Viking long ship, the Coliseum, the Parthenon, the Acropolis, Gamla Uppsalla, the mound at Silbury Hill, or the Theatre of Epidaurus? We couldn’t do these things today using the resources/technology available to them, but these pagans who
“lived like animals†managed.
I will agree that they used livestock as property. Livestock are different from wild animals, which they hunted merely for survival, not sport or for fun. According to the Roman historian/traveler/writer, Tacitus, in his book “Germaniaâ€â€¦
The communities are wont, of their own accord and man by man, to bestow upon their Princes a certain number of beasts, or a certain portion of grain; a contribution which passes indeed for a mark of reverence and honour, but serves also to supply their necessities. They chiefly rejoice in the gifts which come from the bordering countries, such as are sent not only by particulars but in the name of the State; curious horses, splendid armour, rich harness, with collars of silver and gold. Now too they have learnt, what we have taught them, to receive money.
For their covering a mantle is what they all wear, fastened with a clasp or, for want of it, with a thorn. As far as this reaches not they are naked, and lie whole days before the fire. The most wealthy are distinguished with a vest, not one large and flowing like those of Sarmatians and Parthians, but girt close about them and expressing the proportion of every limb. They likewise wear the skins of savage beasts, a dress which those bordering upon the Rhine use without any fondness or delicacy, but about which such who live further in the country are more curious, as void of all apparel introduced by commerce. They choose certain wild beasts, and, having flayed them, diversify their hides with many spots, as also with the skins of monsters from the deep, such as are engendered in the distant ocean and in seas unknown. Neither does the dress of the women differ from that of the men, save that the women are orderly attired in linen embroidered with purple, and use no sleeves, so that all their arms are bare. The upper part of their breast is withal exposed.
Even if they brutalized every living thing and stripped them of their resources, what choice did they have? They were dirt poor and had to grind out every single day of their very short lives. Humans of today are fortunate enough to have a choice. I personally don’t eat any meat other than domestically-raised animals (cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys) or their byproducts (milk, eggs). No veal, no seafood, no bear, no deer, etc. If I was starving, sure, but until then, I won’t eat meats that are harvested from the wild. As I mentioned before, I have a small farm business and raise chickens for eggs. Most farmers “recycle†(kill and buy new) their birds before their 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] molting period for maximum efficiency, but I don’t. I get attached to things, so unless I’m starving, birds on my farm will only die of natural causes.
