I personally think team chemistry has a lot to do with why there are not more white skill players in the league. Most of the players the coaches depend on for winning are black, and giving white skill players even a fair opportunity at the taboo positions will be considered favortism by the brothers and team mutiny will ensue. Keeping white skill players down, on the bench, and chastising them every chance a white coach gets will always score points with the brothers.
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While Hillis seems to have his share of supporters among Broncos fans, there is no shortage of delusional ones, too, as is the case everywhere. I came across this thread on a very popular DWF board, which debates whether Moreno will be a Hall of Famer, a perennial All Pro, or merely an above average RB. The worst choices on the poll are "average starting running back," and "fluke season, no potential at all," the latter choice obviously implying that Moreno is having an excellent season. The DWFs go on to basically debate whether he will be a 1,200 yard a year runner, a 1,500 yard a year runner, or a 2,000 yard a year runner. If Moreno by some NFL miracle was White he would be widely despised and ridiculed and already labeled a bust.
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Jimmy Chitwood
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foobar75 said:But I wonder if this has worked as the season has progressed, since the glaring shortcoming in the offense is an overall lack of running game, particularly in short yardage situations. They are now losing games because of it. The black players would actually not mind if a white skill player came along made some plays because ultimately that makes them look good. (as long as the said white player is kept in check, because you don't want him to perform too well.)
anyone who has ever worked with or been around blacks for any significant amount of time knows the answer to that. giving blacks the ability to make demands or just flat out giving them anything only empowers them and makes them expect more and more and more ... until you've given them everything and they still aren't satisfied. at that point, they'll begin exhibiting the "culture" that has caused every black nation on the planet to be a cesspool ... you know what i mean.
pandering to blacks only makes them expect more pandering. if you give them an inch, they'lltake the whole nation. as you can see if you just look around our country.
there is no middle ground, and there is no going along to get along. if you go along, then you end up screwed. prison rape style.
Colonel_Reb
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Great post, Jimmy! I agree completely.
The Hillis controversy just hit ESPN believe it or not. They interviewed on TV some Denver media guy. The topic of the lack of production from Knowshown came up and he actually uttered the words; "nobody in Denver can figure out why Peyton Hillis isn't getting playing time."
Of course, everybody does know why Hillis isn't getting any playing time just nobody dares to point out the obvious.
Of course, everybody does know why Hillis isn't getting any playing time just nobody dares to point out the obvious.
Van_Slyke_CF
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bigunreal said:
bigunreal: I'll comment on this one more time since I respect much of what you post on CF.
As a follow-up to an earlier post, I simply asked GWTJ for confirmation if he thought there was a distinct possibility that the 32 NFL teams have an unwritten policy amongst themselves to order from on high that their coaches DO NOT play any of the white RBs they have other than in the most extreme situations.
I think this is a legitimate question related to what he said before.
I don't need a summary of the various cases of discrimination against white NFL players in the NFL. I've been a part of this site for a few years now and tried to help get the message out there.
If you, GWTJ, and possibly some others truly believe there is some sort of unwritten, binding agreement from top to bottom in the NFL to do what we've been discussing, then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the matter.Edited by: Van_Slyke_CF
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Van_Slyke, I'm in the same boat as you. While I respect nearly all the members here at CF, there are times that an otherwise sophisticated member makes a post that I believe simply makes us look like down-right nihilists. Even after Gerhart came within an inch of taking home the Heisman our of 900 plus voters, some here commented that Gerhart "had no chance," because they wanted to make sure a black guy got it. Some said "it would be nice if Gerhart gets invited to New York, but we know that's not possible in this ESPN world..." or something to that effect.
Sometimes we give the caste-masters to much credit, basically just admitting victim-hood for ourselves. We sometimes act like Dorothy, the Tin Man, the Lion, and the Scarecrow thinking that the Wizard of Oz is some awesome fear-inducing creature. Sometimes we just have to be like Toto and pull the curtain open, realizing that the people that call the shots are humans just like us. 23 chromosomes (well, maybe a few have an extra one, lol), and they put on their pants one leg at a time just like us.
The NFL does not have a policy for reducing white RBs. They do have racist AA policies for coaches and QBs, and probably officials too, but nothing about RBs. The NFL owners will go for whatever gets them more positive publicity. It's not just about the money, because these franchises aren't as profitable as the other businesses the owners are involved in. It's about their ego. If Peyton Hillis will bring positive publicity to a team, then many, but not all, owners/GMs will go for him.
The challenge comes because so many DWFs, DWCs (Drunk-White Coaches) and others have a deep seeded subconscious belief that whites are capable of playing certain positions, but not RB.
Sometimes we need to take the same approach to figuring about the answer to our 'why' questions like we did for the SAT multiple choice questions. Yes, there are several answers that could be true, but what is the "best" or most fitting answer? While conspiracy is possible, it's not the best answer. False beliefs and stereotypes, combined with bad-luck and a few high power nefarious individuals makes a lot more sense to me. Remember, Peyton tearing his hammy last year was a feak-occurance. No conspiracy in the world could have allowed things to unfold that way. If there was such a big conspiracy they wouldn't have Hillis as an RB anyway. If they did just for fun, the second he started doing well they would have yanked him. Or do you think they played him, let him succeed, then demoted him just to f*ck with us personally? Just to show us members at CF who's really in charge?
Come on. While not a universal rule, sometimes the more likely and more believable answer is the correct one.
Sometimes we give the caste-masters to much credit, basically just admitting victim-hood for ourselves. We sometimes act like Dorothy, the Tin Man, the Lion, and the Scarecrow thinking that the Wizard of Oz is some awesome fear-inducing creature. Sometimes we just have to be like Toto and pull the curtain open, realizing that the people that call the shots are humans just like us. 23 chromosomes (well, maybe a few have an extra one, lol), and they put on their pants one leg at a time just like us.
The NFL does not have a policy for reducing white RBs. They do have racist AA policies for coaches and QBs, and probably officials too, but nothing about RBs. The NFL owners will go for whatever gets them more positive publicity. It's not just about the money, because these franchises aren't as profitable as the other businesses the owners are involved in. It's about their ego. If Peyton Hillis will bring positive publicity to a team, then many, but not all, owners/GMs will go for him.
The challenge comes because so many DWFs, DWCs (Drunk-White Coaches) and others have a deep seeded subconscious belief that whites are capable of playing certain positions, but not RB.
Sometimes we need to take the same approach to figuring about the answer to our 'why' questions like we did for the SAT multiple choice questions. Yes, there are several answers that could be true, but what is the "best" or most fitting answer? While conspiracy is possible, it's not the best answer. False beliefs and stereotypes, combined with bad-luck and a few high power nefarious individuals makes a lot more sense to me. Remember, Peyton tearing his hammy last year was a feak-occurance. No conspiracy in the world could have allowed things to unfold that way. If there was such a big conspiracy they wouldn't have Hillis as an RB anyway. If they did just for fun, the second he started doing well they would have yanked him. Or do you think they played him, let him succeed, then demoted him just to f*ck with us personally? Just to show us members at CF who's really in charge?
Come on. While not a universal rule, sometimes the more likely and more believable answer is the correct one.
Van_Slyke_CF
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Electric Slide: I think Peyton Hillis is getting screwed, but not because of some all-encompassing conspiracy in the NFL to keep him off the field.
Woodhead should be playing more. If he stays healthy, I bet he will.
I'd like to see Hester and Leonard get more carries, but they are behind guys who are superior players, especially in San Diego, and even this year with Benson being in shape and staying out of trouble so far in Cincinnati.
There are many in the NFL who would love to see Toby Gerhart perform big-time next year so the league can line its pockets even more than it already does.
Undoubtedly there are some-white and black-who would like to see Gerhart fail for various reasons, too.
The bigger issue is what happens to talented white runners in HS and college. If they are pushed aside all too often in HS, and not even recurited in D-1 college except by a few teams, then it stands to reason that there will be few to even get a sniff of the position in the NFL.
The NFL and its fascination with blacks needs to be fought where necessary, but I just don't buy the notion of a possible league-wide agreement top-to-bottom to keep guys like Hillis, Woodhead, Hester, and Leonard on the bench.
Woodhead should be playing more. If he stays healthy, I bet he will.
I'd like to see Hester and Leonard get more carries, but they are behind guys who are superior players, especially in San Diego, and even this year with Benson being in shape and staying out of trouble so far in Cincinnati.
There are many in the NFL who would love to see Toby Gerhart perform big-time next year so the league can line its pockets even more than it already does.
Undoubtedly there are some-white and black-who would like to see Gerhart fail for various reasons, too.
The bigger issue is what happens to talented white runners in HS and college. If they are pushed aside all too often in HS, and not even recurited in D-1 college except by a few teams, then it stands to reason that there will be few to even get a sniff of the position in the NFL.
The NFL and its fascination with blacks needs to be fought where necessary, but I just don't buy the notion of a possible league-wide agreement top-to-bottom to keep guys like Hillis, Woodhead, Hester, and Leonard on the bench.
FootballDad
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I agree with Electric Slide's synopsis. Rather that being conspiritorial, it's simply deeply ingrained stereotypes. In my Pop Warner (and High School) experiences, when a black kid comes along, the coaches automatically look at him as some sort of athletic wonder, and look to find a skill position for him, even when there are 10 other white guys on the field who are vastly superior. And then after years of "weeding out" all of the white skill guys, and moving them to other positions, we are left with very few to choose from. A few white skill guys at the D1 college level, even less at the NFL level, and HUNDREDS of "superior affletic" blacks. To an extent, there may be a "please the black players" mindset about to avoid rocking the boat, but the stereotype rules all. That is where we need to break the caste system. Post lists of white RB's, CB's, etc. that are exceptional, so that we have the evidence at hand.
And by the way, the "FootballsFuture" website post that Don lists above is a pathetic jock-sniffing blacklete love-fest. The vast majority of these DWF's think that kn0wsh0 m0ren0 will be an All-Pro back! In my quick scan of the posts, I didn't see any Hillis' references (not that there aren't any, I just didn't see them).
And by the way, the "FootballsFuture" website post that Don lists above is a pathetic jock-sniffing blacklete love-fest. The vast majority of these DWF's think that kn0wsh0 m0ren0 will be an All-Pro back! In my quick scan of the posts, I didn't see any Hillis' references (not that there aren't any, I just didn't see them).
exactly, we are fighting a few generations of (i like the way FootballDad put it) very deeply ingrained stereotypes. it's not so much a conspiracy, your average owner looks at their win/loss record, and as far as the personnel, they are only concerned with their super stars, people who sell merchandise and bring fans to their stadiums.
Urlacher, Manning, Brady, Witten etc are bona fide super stars, however for a runningback to be given a chance (or a receiver, although that's more likely as their production is hard to deny, if they can catch a ball and run, that's what matters so it's slightly harder to discriminate against them) they need a coachto stick up for them, give them a chance, scouts to notice them etc. that's simply not a case atm. still some like Welker, Nelson, Collie get their chance to shine and break through to the mainstream. Gerhart might be just one of these guys, and just like Wes opened a way for Anderson to play more, Lance Long and Danny Amendola to get their shot, Toby could pave the way for Hillis, Leonard, Sharp etc.
Urlacher, Manning, Brady, Witten etc are bona fide super stars, however for a runningback to be given a chance (or a receiver, although that's more likely as their production is hard to deny, if they can catch a ball and run, that's what matters so it's slightly harder to discriminate against them) they need a coachto stick up for them, give them a chance, scouts to notice them etc. that's simply not a case atm. still some like Welker, Nelson, Collie get their chance to shine and break through to the mainstream. Gerhart might be just one of these guys, and just like Wes opened a way for Anderson to play more, Lance Long and Danny Amendola to get their shot, Toby could pave the way for Hillis, Leonard, Sharp etc.
GWTJ
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The fact of the matter is, none of us know for sure what the truth is.
But here are two reasons why it is highly probable that the owners, as a unit, reject white players at the skill positions.
1.) Money. Football, first and foremost, is a business. A business in the entertainment industry. I believe that it is the opinion of the owners that black players(at the skill positions) put fans in the seats and in front of the tv set in greater numbers than white players do. And judging from the man love of DWF's for black clowns they are probably right. It's hard to imagine a white player inventing the 'Icky shuffle'. Dion Sanders end zone dance was super popular and made millions for the NFL.
2.)Fear. Every owner fears being perceived as racist against blacks. They fear the bad publicity and the attacks from black leaders which would lead to riots at the stadiums. As we all remember, blacks quickly united to protest in front of the WCBS radio station to intimidate it to fire Imus. It was an easy victory.
The current NFL has only three legitimate white stars. Manning, Brady and Favre(plus a fading Urlacher). I can't think of another white player that I see in commercials on tv. And still black support groups complain that these three superstars popularity is due to racism against blacks. This fear of black reprisal makes owners completely indifferent to a white players cause.
But here are two reasons why it is highly probable that the owners, as a unit, reject white players at the skill positions.
1.) Money. Football, first and foremost, is a business. A business in the entertainment industry. I believe that it is the opinion of the owners that black players(at the skill positions) put fans in the seats and in front of the tv set in greater numbers than white players do. And judging from the man love of DWF's for black clowns they are probably right. It's hard to imagine a white player inventing the 'Icky shuffle'. Dion Sanders end zone dance was super popular and made millions for the NFL.
2.)Fear. Every owner fears being perceived as racist against blacks. They fear the bad publicity and the attacks from black leaders which would lead to riots at the stadiums. As we all remember, blacks quickly united to protest in front of the WCBS radio station to intimidate it to fire Imus. It was an easy victory.
The current NFL has only three legitimate white stars. Manning, Brady and Favre(plus a fading Urlacher). I can't think of another white player that I see in commercials on tv. And still black support groups complain that these three superstars popularity is due to racism against blacks. This fear of black reprisal makes owners completely indifferent to a white players cause.
yuri malenkov
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Some do not seem to understand why whites are DENIED the opportunity to play half-back.
When the zionists started their cultural revolution in the 1960's they seized on the fact that this is one position in a popular domestic sport where white athletes would, in all fairness be a 1/3 to 3/8 minority. So the cultural marxists exploited this fact and evolved it to a propanganda piece/myth that whites are so inferior that they cant play this position, hence this myth has taken hold.
Athletic testing shows that whites can play this position at the highest level, however the myth shuffles whites to different positions.
As for conspiracies, i find it better to look at facts, for example when David Isreal brought Ritchie Zions on board for the monday night football production/direction they had a real policy in place to show interracial couples when ever possible, whether in the stands or black players with white wives.
So i would not call this a conspiracy, rather a statement of fact of a policy put into place.
When the zionists started their cultural revolution in the 1960's they seized on the fact that this is one position in a popular domestic sport where white athletes would, in all fairness be a 1/3 to 3/8 minority. So the cultural marxists exploited this fact and evolved it to a propanganda piece/myth that whites are so inferior that they cant play this position, hence this myth has taken hold.
Athletic testing shows that whites can play this position at the highest level, however the myth shuffles whites to different positions.
As for conspiracies, i find it better to look at facts, for example when David Isreal brought Ritchie Zions on board for the monday night football production/direction they had a real policy in place to show interracial couples when ever possible, whether in the stands or black players with white wives.
So i would not call this a conspiracy, rather a statement of fact of a policy put into place.
Conspiracy? I assume conspiracy to mean a well-organized group of people who secretly remain invisible and use deception to accomplish their goals. Hmmmm....Is there an organized conspiracy against all white values, cultures, and people? If not, then just how in the heck has the most intelligent, successful, powerful people in the world go from the proudest to the most self-loaving group of people in history?
Yah but, can the conspiracy be in the NFL? Can it be in the banking system? Congress? Our government? Media? History books? Big business?
"Conspriracy" as in a group of people having something like secret meetings and taking direct orders from higher ups? In the NFL? Direct conspiracy - I don't know. At least I never would have iota of thought that it would be so, but then came the Matt Jones debacle. And then the benching of Peyton Hillis. Now I almost think - maybe.
Well, if not directly I can say for fact that the NFL is at least indirectly part of larger conspiracy to through the entire white civilization into the ash bin on history. I'm not a kook.
Bigunreal, if you want to believe there is a conspriracy I won't argue. I won't add much to it as it is hard to prove and, yes, too much talk of direct conspiracy can be counter productive, but I won't argue. Edited by: Kaptain Poop
Yah but, can the conspiracy be in the NFL? Can it be in the banking system? Congress? Our government? Media? History books? Big business?
"Conspriracy" as in a group of people having something like secret meetings and taking direct orders from higher ups? In the NFL? Direct conspiracy - I don't know. At least I never would have iota of thought that it would be so, but then came the Matt Jones debacle. And then the benching of Peyton Hillis. Now I almost think - maybe.
Well, if not directly I can say for fact that the NFL is at least indirectly part of larger conspiracy to through the entire white civilization into the ash bin on history. I'm not a kook.
Bigunreal, if you want to believe there is a conspriracy I won't argue. I won't add much to it as it is hard to prove and, yes, too much talk of direct conspiracy can be counter productive, but I won't argue. Edited by: Kaptain Poop
It's a variety of factors, none of which favor Whites, and as GWTJ states, no one knows the exact recipe with certainty.
I see the Caste System as part of the larger system of power and control, which is itself a coalition of interests, but which collectively exercise totalitarian (total) control over the government and its various institutions (corporations, foreign policy, media, mass culture, sports, etc.). The genius of the American system of manipulation and control that has developed over the past century and especially since the advent of television and which its controllers are committed to importing, voluntarily or by the barrel of a gun, to every country in the world, is that it creates the illusion of freedom while actually permitting very little.
The NFL is part and parcel of theinstitutions ofcontrol. The NFL is America's unofficial secular religion, so it plays a veryimportant part in the bread and circuses of U.S. society.
The Cultural Marxists rule through a hive-like conformity and understanding of the rules and of the continual subtle changes in policies, propaganda, language and meanings,and "party lines," which is alien and frustrating to what remains of independent thinking and liberty loving Whites. Everyone who wants to be gainfully employed within the institutions of control knows what the ground rules are, what can be said and not said, what agendas and opinions are "politically correct" and which aren't. Many of us here also know what they are, which is why we are always pointing out the double standards, inconsistencies, injustices, corruption, etc., which are now so far advanced and so obvious as to be very effective fodder for sarcasm and ridicule.
The NFL's rules have developed over time and can't be changed from within, any more than commercials, TV shows, movies and magazines will begin showing more Whites and less minorities, or will begin showing White men with respect and dignity.It's an undeclared war against White people that is being waged demographically and psychologically, with no deviation permitted, and once that is comprehended, both the Caste System and the Big Picture are easy to see.
The NFL settled on its basic racial formula a long time ago now, and it won't change, other than to continue to move slowly in an even more extreme pro-black direction. As Thrashen has mentioned, there has been no pro-White legislation passed in this country in generations (or legislation that directly benefits the White masses), and the same holds true in every other institution. The owners of the teams are for the most part committed globalists and multiracialists -- one has to only think back a couple of months ago to the unanimous hostility displayed against neo-con Rush Limbaugh when he wanted to be part of an ownership group.
There is an unshaking commitment among the PTB to make out blacks to be superior athletes to Whites, as part of their overall commitment to forging a non-White society against the wishes of Whites. Everyone who profits from the present system understands that and won't buck it no matter how they feel privately.
The move toward black coaches, black assistant coaches, black reporters, etc., is irrefutable evidence that the Caste System is expanding. It won't contract until there is sufficient pressure brought to bear against it, and in that case it would probably be as part of a general crack-up of the system itself, which may indeed be happening and which should inspire us to commit to redoubling our efforts in 2010. We can and are changing attitudes, but we are still have a long way to go to reach critical numbers. The Caste System can only be defeated from the bottom up, but like every other institution in this society of lies and illusions, its foundation isn't nearly as strong asit wasa few years ago.
I see the Caste System as part of the larger system of power and control, which is itself a coalition of interests, but which collectively exercise totalitarian (total) control over the government and its various institutions (corporations, foreign policy, media, mass culture, sports, etc.). The genius of the American system of manipulation and control that has developed over the past century and especially since the advent of television and which its controllers are committed to importing, voluntarily or by the barrel of a gun, to every country in the world, is that it creates the illusion of freedom while actually permitting very little.
The NFL is part and parcel of theinstitutions ofcontrol. The NFL is America's unofficial secular religion, so it plays a veryimportant part in the bread and circuses of U.S. society.
The Cultural Marxists rule through a hive-like conformity and understanding of the rules and of the continual subtle changes in policies, propaganda, language and meanings,and "party lines," which is alien and frustrating to what remains of independent thinking and liberty loving Whites. Everyone who wants to be gainfully employed within the institutions of control knows what the ground rules are, what can be said and not said, what agendas and opinions are "politically correct" and which aren't. Many of us here also know what they are, which is why we are always pointing out the double standards, inconsistencies, injustices, corruption, etc., which are now so far advanced and so obvious as to be very effective fodder for sarcasm and ridicule.
The NFL's rules have developed over time and can't be changed from within, any more than commercials, TV shows, movies and magazines will begin showing more Whites and less minorities, or will begin showing White men with respect and dignity.It's an undeclared war against White people that is being waged demographically and psychologically, with no deviation permitted, and once that is comprehended, both the Caste System and the Big Picture are easy to see.
The NFL settled on its basic racial formula a long time ago now, and it won't change, other than to continue to move slowly in an even more extreme pro-black direction. As Thrashen has mentioned, there has been no pro-White legislation passed in this country in generations (or legislation that directly benefits the White masses), and the same holds true in every other institution. The owners of the teams are for the most part committed globalists and multiracialists -- one has to only think back a couple of months ago to the unanimous hostility displayed against neo-con Rush Limbaugh when he wanted to be part of an ownership group.
There is an unshaking commitment among the PTB to make out blacks to be superior athletes to Whites, as part of their overall commitment to forging a non-White society against the wishes of Whites. Everyone who profits from the present system understands that and won't buck it no matter how they feel privately.
The move toward black coaches, black assistant coaches, black reporters, etc., is irrefutable evidence that the Caste System is expanding. It won't contract until there is sufficient pressure brought to bear against it, and in that case it would probably be as part of a general crack-up of the system itself, which may indeed be happening and which should inspire us to commit to redoubling our efforts in 2010. We can and are changing attitudes, but we are still have a long way to go to reach critical numbers. The Caste System can only be defeated from the bottom up, but like every other institution in this society of lies and illusions, its foundation isn't nearly as strong asit wasa few years ago.
On a day to day level, it's conformity and ingrained attitudes among fans, coaches, recruiters, etc., (and also fear of upsetting the affletes and disrupting "morale"), which is where the Caste System can be exposed and defeated by more coaches giving Whites opportunities, by more players and their families standing up for themselves, and by more awareness by fans of the Caste System and how it works. That's a muchmore feasibleway to go about it than expecting White NFL players to become martyrs. The thing to keep in mind is that even if Toby Gerhart is a success in the NFL, it's not going to result in changes in the Caste System. It didn't happen with Jason Sehorn or Scott Case before him, or with Mike Alstott. Many in fact will point to Gerhart doing well as proof that the NFL doesn't discriminate. Change has to be a bottom-up process, just as it has to be politically. The PTB are only going to change kicking and screaming when they are forced to by popular opinion and demand, and hopefully a few well-funded class action lawsuits. Edited by: Don Wassall
whiteathlete33
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ElectricSlide I think members made comments about Toby having no chance of winning the Heisman because we have been disappointed so many times before. Once the same crap keeps happening of white players getting screwed constantly you start to lose some hope.
Thrashen
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Don, those two lengthy posts you made are scary-good.
I always contemplate what an "average" white person would think of such alien language. One would think that reading an opinion which bashes holes into the deep-rooted ideals which have been spoon-fed to the peasant-men (for generations) by the PTB, willing or unwilling"¦would be exciting, interesting, and psychologically rebellious for "joe-six-pack." From my experiences, this is not so. Whenever the message of a new revolutionary or disobedient or mutinous initiative pertains to pro-whiteness, the droids scatter like truant school girls.
If white men and white women and white children were permitted to heed your statements (and it were considered somewhat "mainstream"Â to do so), I know that the "follow first" attitude whites have recently adopted would fade away. Even without such knowledge, I'm noticing substantial progress in defeating the Hive-Drone-Mentality over the past 2-3 years. Edited by: Thrashen
I always contemplate what an "average" white person would think of such alien language. One would think that reading an opinion which bashes holes into the deep-rooted ideals which have been spoon-fed to the peasant-men (for generations) by the PTB, willing or unwilling"¦would be exciting, interesting, and psychologically rebellious for "joe-six-pack." From my experiences, this is not so. Whenever the message of a new revolutionary or disobedient or mutinous initiative pertains to pro-whiteness, the droids scatter like truant school girls.
If white men and white women and white children were permitted to heed your statements (and it were considered somewhat "mainstream"Â to do so), I know that the "follow first" attitude whites have recently adopted would fade away. Even without such knowledge, I'm noticing substantial progress in defeating the Hive-Drone-Mentality over the past 2-3 years. Edited by: Thrashen
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First off, a very Merry Christmas to everyone at CF!
I just got back from a nice family dinner and it was a great Christmas day indeed. I hope everyone is enjoying this day as well.
Dave Krieger of Denver Post has now become one of my favorite columnists. Here's his latest, and may very well one of the best pieces on Hillis I've read, mixed in with some good humor.
Krieger: A Hillis sighting? Do you believe in miracles?
PS Be sure to read the comments that follow, as there are some good ones as usual.
Here's a one (even though I've expressed some disapointment with Hillis being too quiet about all this):
Hillis is being smart, not getting involved in any controversies that will make other teams reluctant to sign him, since he's unlikely to be with the Broncos next year. The next Hillis sighting is likely to be wherever Shanahan returns to the game at. He could be the featured back in Chicago, or be used effectively to spell Clinton Portis in DC. If Shanahan stays out, Hillis will be somewhere besides Denver, and within 2-3 years will be a name back in the league.
Edited by: foobar75
Dave Krieger of Denver Post has now become one of my favorite columnists. Here's his latest, and may very well one of the best pieces on Hillis I've read, mixed in with some good humor.
Krieger: A Hillis sighting? Do you believe in miracles?
PS Be sure to read the comments that follow, as there are some good ones as usual.
Here's a one (even though I've expressed some disapointment with Hillis being too quiet about all this):
Hillis is being smart, not getting involved in any controversies that will make other teams reluctant to sign him, since he's unlikely to be with the Broncos next year. The next Hillis sighting is likely to be wherever Shanahan returns to the game at. He could be the featured back in Chicago, or be used effectively to spell Clinton Portis in DC. If Shanahan stays out, Hillis will be somewhere besides Denver, and within 2-3 years will be a name back in the league.
Edited by: foobar75
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The "Caste System" is like most other orthodoxies it must appear that it is not an orthodoxy but a natural occurence or coindidence. Even to ask a DWF about the how the caste system screws so many white athletes and has become orthodox thinking is to expose the caste system to its eventual failure to hide. This goes for any other cultural marxist product, simply identify and then mock it and most importantly mock and hold responsible the bearer any of the phony orthodoxies.
Van_Slyke_CF
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It would be great to have both Peyton Hillis and Toby Gerhart as feature backs in the NFL.
It probably won't happen, but at least it sounds good.
One way or the other, Hillis needs to find a new employer for the 2010 season.
It probably won't happen, but at least it sounds good.
One way or the other, Hillis needs to find a new employer for the 2010 season.
Eminem speaketh -- Peyton Hillis isn't playing because the o-line sucks, and since wholesale changes can't be made on the o-line, the current running back rotation, whichexcludes Hillis,won't be tinkered with. Ok, whatever, Eminem.
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Hillis' lack of playing time has been one of the biggest talking points of a Denver season gone awry, and through it all McDaniels has said things like "the run game is everybody" or "it's a lot of things" or "it's not the back."
Monday, in the wake of the Broncos' seventh loss in nine games and another outing when the Denver offense was shoved around, McDaniels had this to say about his team's running game:
"Let me just say this. (Sunday) we did not win the line of scrimmage, offensively, period. So when I say that, I'm not talking about the backs. We did not win the line of scrimmage offensively and (the Eagles) did a great job defensively being more physical than we were up front. You know, they knocked us back in the backfield quite a few times, held us on a third-and-1. ... Ultimately when we watch the running game, we're watching what's going on at the line of scrimmage.
"And when we're not winning the line of scrimmage, like I've said before, it doesn't matter what back you hand the ball to, you're not going to do a lot. I'm not taking blame off the backs, because they can certainly do a better job of reading certain plays and all the rest of that, but it starts with what we do up front. We know that as an organization, as an offense, and I think everybody knows that around the National Football League."
That's quite an admission this late in the season, but it does likely show why McDaniels has stood firmly against making a change at running back as he deals with an entire team â€" because it appears he believes he can't just go replace the running back for lack of production if he can't replace all or some of the offensive linemen as well.
And with the limited size of NFL rosters, no team in the league can make wholesale changes in
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McDaniels did bench left guard Ben Hamilton in favor of Russ Hochstein earlier this season, but Hamilton is likely back in the lineup now because of Hochstein's season-ending knee injury.
But what McDaniels said publicly Monday, he has almost certainly said behind closed doors â€" likely even more sternly. So to change the running back, at least in his mind, would basically be letting the other guys off the hook. And he now has formally put the problems in the Denver running game squarely in the laps of his offensive linemen.
McDaniels said the Broncos have won the line of scrimmage on many occasions this season and he believes they can do it again. But for Broncos fans wondering why tired-looking rookie Knowshon Moreno continues to carry the ball a lot â€" Moreno averaged just 2.0 yards per carry Sunday against the Eagles â€" it appears McDaniels wants to see more out of the guys up front before he starts tinkering with the rotation in the backfield.
Jeff Legwold: 303-954-2359 or jlegwold@denverpost.comhttp://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_14084390?source=commented-
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Hillis' lack of playing time has been one of the biggest talking points of a Denver season gone awry, and through it all McDaniels has said things like "the run game is everybody" or "it's a lot of things" or "it's not the back."
Monday, in the wake of the Broncos' seventh loss in nine games and another outing when the Denver offense was shoved around, McDaniels had this to say about his team's running game:
"Let me just say this. (Sunday) we did not win the line of scrimmage, offensively, period. So when I say that, I'm not talking about the backs. We did not win the line of scrimmage offensively and (the Eagles) did a great job defensively being more physical than we were up front. You know, they knocked us back in the backfield quite a few times, held us on a third-and-1. ... Ultimately when we watch the running game, we're watching what's going on at the line of scrimmage.
"And when we're not winning the line of scrimmage, like I've said before, it doesn't matter what back you hand the ball to, you're not going to do a lot. I'm not taking blame off the backs, because they can certainly do a better job of reading certain plays and all the rest of that, but it starts with what we do up front. We know that as an organization, as an offense, and I think everybody knows that around the National Football League."
That's quite an admission this late in the season, but it does likely show why McDaniels has stood firmly against making a change at running back as he deals with an entire team â€" because it appears he believes he can't just go replace the running back for lack of production if he can't replace all or some of the offensive linemen as well.
And with the limited size of NFL rosters, no team in the league can make wholesale changes in
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McDaniels did bench left guard Ben Hamilton in favor of Russ Hochstein earlier this season, but Hamilton is likely back in the lineup now because of Hochstein's season-ending knee injury.
But what McDaniels said publicly Monday, he has almost certainly said behind closed doors â€" likely even more sternly. So to change the running back, at least in his mind, would basically be letting the other guys off the hook. And he now has formally put the problems in the Denver running game squarely in the laps of his offensive linemen.
McDaniels said the Broncos have won the line of scrimmage on many occasions this season and he believes they can do it again. But for Broncos fans wondering why tired-looking rookie Knowshon Moreno continues to carry the ball a lot â€" Moreno averaged just 2.0 yards per carry Sunday against the Eagles â€" it appears McDaniels wants to see more out of the guys up front before he starts tinkering with the rotation in the backfield.
Jeff Legwold: 303-954-2359 or jlegwold@denverpost.comhttp://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_14084390?source=commented-
Bear Backer
Mentor
Don Wassall said:Eminem speaketh -- Peyton Hillis isn't playing because the o-line sucks, and since wholesale changes can't be made on the o-line, the current running back rotation, which excludes Hillis, won't be tinkered with. Ok, whatever, Eminem.ÂÂÂ
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Hillis' lack of playing time has been one of the biggest talking points of a Denver season gone awry, and through it all McDaniels has said things like "the run game is everybody" or "it's a lot of things" or "it's not the back."
Monday, in the wake of the Broncos' seventh loss in nine games and another outing when the Denver offense was shoved around, McDaniels had this to say about his team's running game:
"Let me just say this. (Sunday) we did not win the line of scrimmage, offensively, period. So when I say that, I'm not talking about the backs. We did not win the line of scrimmage offensively and (the Eagles) did a great job defensively being more physical than we were up front. You know, they knocked us back in the backfield quite a few times, held us on a third-and-1. ... Ultimately when we watch the running game, we're watching what's going on at the line of scrimmage.
"And when we're not winning the line of scrimmage, like I've said before, it doesn't matter what back you hand the ball to, you're not going to do a lot. I'm not taking blame off the backs, because they can certainly do a better job of reading certain plays and all the rest of that, but it starts with what we do up front. We know that as an organization, as an offense, and I think everybody knows that around the National Football League."
That's quite an admission this late in the season, but it does likely show why McDaniels has stood firmly against making a change at running back as he deals with an entire team â€" because it appears he believes he can't just go replace the running back for lack of production if he can't replace all or some of the offensive linemen as well.
And with the limited size of NFL rosters, no team in the league can make wholesale changes in
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McDaniels did bench left guard Ben Hamilton in favor of Russ Hochstein earlier this season, but Hamilton is likely back in the lineup now because of Hochstein's season-ending knee injury.
But what McDaniels said publicly Monday, he has almost certainly said behind closed doors â€" likely even more sternly. So to change the running back, at least in his mind, would basically be letting the other guys off the hook. And he now has formally put the problems in the Denver running game squarely in the laps of his offensive linemen.
McDaniels said the Broncos have won the line of scrimmage on many occasions this season and he believes they can do it again. But for Broncos fans wondering why tired-looking rookie Knowshon Moreno continues to carry the ball a lot â€" Moreno averaged just 2.0 yards per carry Sunday against the Eagles â€" it appears McDaniels wants to see more out of the guys up front before he starts tinkering with the rotation in the backfield.
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He is just blatantly lying now and trying to use any excuse he can to keep Hillis off the field in hopes that his judgment won't come under question. Like we have all said over and over again,if he were to use Hillis now, and Hillis would excell, Eminem would look like a fool. To me though, he looks like a bigger fool now. His babbling is increasingly going completely against any rational thought. If your offensive line sucks, one would think that getting your bigger, stronger back who has a bruising running style into the mix would seem to benefit the team. If we were to believe Eminem at his word, then logic doesn't appear to exist in his world. I however call B.S. No coach is as stupid as he appears to be. He is just a dishonest liar, and a bad one to boot, who is getting desperate and letting the first thing that comes to his mind spill out of his mouth.
Colonel_Reb
Hall of Famer
What a load of BS by McEminem! Only in the world of the Caste System would such lunacy be unquestioned by "real journalists."
