Peyton Hillis

[dwid]

a hamstring injury is stopping Hillis at this point. There is no conspiracy, there would be no reason for Shurmur to come out and say Hillis will be starting if he didn't believe that to be the truth. Regardless of how much Hardesty sucked he had momentum with his 95 yards and this misconception that he was grinding out tough yards (when it was 2 or 3 yards on 1st and 10). Plenty of fans were willing to jump on the Hardesty bandwagon. No reason to make up stories that Hillis will be starting and then decide that he isn't.

Where do you get off saying he has no desire to play football? He came back in the game with a hamstring injury to protect his quarterback. Its probably the reason he started practicing too early. He has had hamstring issues throughout his career and its nothing to mess around with. You think he wants to sit and do some light jogging in a pool?

Matt Forte already has more money than Hillis, even though he is making the same amount right now, he has made more overall being a 2nd round draft pick I believe twice as much. Hillis contract is listed as 1.76 for 4 years, thats 2 million less than Forte and I'm not sure how much is taken out with agents, taxes etc. He was taking advantage by selling things this offseason. I think he would be doing everything possible to prove he is worthy of a new contract, he just has a lot to lose by getting injured and you can't be effective with a hamstring injury anyway. Or perhaps there is some conspiracy we don't know about? they are paying him secretly to sit out?

btw this is only the 2nd year where Forte is averaging over 4 yards a carry, he had 3.9 his rookie year and 3.6 his 2nd year and then 4.5 last year. Usually guys like him do great when they are up for a new contract and then fail to show up again. Hillis is the type of guy that will play hard no matter what.

 

[bigunreal]

SH- last season, Hillis had one of the few NFL coaches in modern history who was bold enough to let him play RB. This season, his coaching staff clearly doesn't like him and wants to put him in "his place," which would be as a blocking FB.

I don't pretend to know what's going on here, but the bottom line is the only white RB who has been permited to start in the NFL for an entire season, in the past 25 years, has had everything possible happen thus far to thwart his attempts at repeating that performance. What are the odds that this extremely rare specimen would: face a coaching staff that inexplicably wanted to greatly diminish his role at the expense of the most unimpressive player imaginable; suddenly miss a game due to strep throat (something that has never kept a player out of an NFL game before, to my knowledge); have multiple agents, the most recent of which has made the bizarre statement that he advised Hillis to sit out of the Miami game; be seen on the sidelines of the last game, obviously upset he wasn't playing, and also seen trying to lobby the coaches to go back in, only to be dismissed with a wave of the hand, and was initially reported to have been benched by a coach's decision by ESPN, only to later develop what was the world's least noticable hamstring injury; on Wednesday, all sites reporting he practiced with the first team, looked fine, was a cinch for 20-25 carries Sunday, and Shurmur publicly proclaiming he would play; on Thursday, he doesn't practice (for some reason "as expected") and it is said by the same sites that "no one expects him to play."

As I noted, if all this drama is simply the result of an actual strep throat combined with nasty contract negotiations, then Hillis is an idiot for sitting out of a game over a very minor ailment. He also, in such a situation, had to know he'd be in for a lot of criticism and would have his toughness questioned. If he really has the world's least noticable hamstring injury, then again his toughness is going to be questioned, because it certainly doesn't appear to be much of an injury and he's already had nearly two weeks to heal. Other RBs can afford to recover slowly- no one will raise an eyebrow and they certainly wouldn't have to worry about losing carries to their backup, especially one as untalented as Hardesty. If Hillis doesn't understand by now that he's going to be held to a different standard, then he's about as clueless as they come.

Hillis can't really win here- if he does suck it up and play this Sunday, the matchup is the worst one imaginable, and he is certain to struggle again. At this point, nothing would surprise me. If they put him on injured reserve tomorrow, how many people would even wonder about it? Maybe believing in the Madden curse isn't so ridiculous.

 

[sport historian]

SH- last season, Hillis had one of the few NFL coaches in modern history who was bold enough to let him play RB. This season, his coaching staff clearly doesn't like him and wants to put him in "his place," which would be as a blocking FB.

I don't pretend to know what's going on here, but the bottom line is the only white RB who has been permited to start in the NFL for an entire season, in the past 25 years, has had everything possible happen thus far to thwart his attempts at repeating that performance. What are the odds that this extremely rare specimen would: face a coaching staff that inexplicably wanted to greatly diminish his role at the expense of the most unimpressive player imaginable; suddenly miss a game due to strep throat (something that has never kept a player out of an NFL game before, to my knowledge); have multiple agents, the most recent of which has made the bizarre statement that he advised Hillis to sit out of the Miami game; be seen on the sidelines of the last game, obviously upset he wasn't playing, and also seen trying to lobby the coaches to go back in, only to be dismissed with a wave of the hand, and was initially reported to have been benched by a coach's decision by ESPN, only to later develop what was the world's least noticable hamstring injury; on Wednesday, all sites reporting he practiced with the first team, looked fine, was a cinch for 20-25 carries Sunday, and Shurmur publicly proclaiming he would play; on Thursday, he doesn't practice (for some reason "as expected") and it is said by the same sites that "no one expects him to play."

As I noted, if all this drama is simply the result of an actual strep throat combined with nasty contract negotiations, then Hillis is an idiot for sitting out of a game over a very minor ailment. He also, in such a situation, had to know he'd be in for a lot of criticism and would have his toughness questioned. If he really has the world's least noticable hamstring injury, then again his toughness is going to be questioned, because it certainly doesn't appear to be much of an injury and he's already had nearly two weeks to heal. Other RBs can afford to recover slowly- no one will raise an eyebrow and they certainly wouldn't have to worry about losing carries to their backup, especially one as untalented as Hardesty. If Hillis doesn't understand by now that he's going to be held to a different standard, then he's about as clueless as they come.

Hillis can't really win here- if he does suck it up and play this Sunday, the matchup is the worst one imaginable, and he is certain to struggle again. At this point, nothing would surprise me. If they put him on injured reserve tomorrow, how many people would even wonder about it? Maybe believing in the Madden curse isn't so ridiculous.

No, you don't know what's going on here. You didn't know why the Conspiracy didn't fix the playoffs so Vick could win a Super Bowl either.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Maybe believing in the Madden curse isn't so ridiculous.

Following this line of thinking, maybe we should just believe that all White athletes are cursed by something other than the Caste System. There is no curse at play with Hillis or any other White athlete. There is a Caste System however, and it manifests itself in many different ways. We don't have to know the cause because we see the same effects that it has on the athletes themselves.

 

[bigunreal]

I was being sarcastic, Colonel Reb. Whatever is going on with Hillis, it's just about the worst scenario any of us could have imagined.

I really hope things get better.

 

[white is right]

Guys hamstring injuries are major problems for any position where you need full top end speed. I wonder if the hamstring is the one he tore in Denver in 08'. Many times in track and field when a sprinter gets hamstring injuries they plague him for the rest of the season and if they happen in following seasons he or she is the never the same sprinter again. Let's hope that's not the case here.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I was being sarcastic, Colonel Reb. Whatever is going on with Hillis, it's just about the worst scenario any of us could have imagined.

I really hope things get better.

I do have a tendency to take things too seriously, even though I often use a lot of sarcasm. While Hillis' case is certainly a baffling one, I'm thrilled that we have had another White 1,000+ yard rusher in the NFL. I'm not satisfied with that at all, but I'm thrilled to have seen it happen instead of Hillis just being a FB or not even being in the NFL. He is the success story among White RBs right now, with Danny Woodhead also seeing a lot of success compared to 99% of White backs who have tried to get into the NFL in the last 25 years.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Question for anyone that might know, wasn't Hillis perfectly healthy earlier in the season? I always assumed he was the first few games and Hardesty was really cutting into his carries then.

 

[Thrashen]

To be honest, the eight long weeks of ceaseless “Hillis Drama” are becoming a tad annoying. Has there been a single week in which Hillis wasn’t “injured” or somehow in jeopardy of missing the game for one reason or another?

If Hillis doesn't understand by now that he's going to be held to a different standard, then he's about as clueless as they come.

I don’t think he does “understand” that the reputation, the credibility, the character, and the career of nearly every white skill player in the NFL (particularly the first white running back permitted to play in the past 25 seasons) hangs by a proverbial thread on a weekly basis. There are few whites in the entire world who do “understand” this concept…and none of them are professional athletes.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

There are few whites in the entire world who do “understandâ€￾ this concept…and none of them are professional athletes.

Or at least if a couple of them do understand they don't show it.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I know Marc Boerigter was definitely aware of the caste system. Here is an excerpt of what he said some years ago during an interview.

"The biggest thing that I think is really funny is the comparisons that people make," Boerigter said. "They always compare us to another white receiver. When I first came into the league, people were comparing me to Ed McCaffrey and Joe Jurevicius. We're always compared to those kinds of guys.

"You're never going to see any of us compared to (a black) receiver.

I've always wondered how much racism white players face on the field. I remember last season when players were calling Hillis "whiteboy". White skill position players are subject to this type of treatment even more than others.

 

[dwid]

Question for anyone that might know, wasn't Hillis perfectly healthy earlier in the season? I always assumed he was the first few games and Hardesty was really cutting into his carries then.

Probably not, he was having problems with his hamstring in preseason as well as his back, missing practice and snaps and an entire preseason game. It was said to be precautionary but it looks like it may have lingered, hamstring injuries can vary in seriousness. It could have been minor and something he kept playing on and eventually made worse.

 

[Don Wassall]

I know Marc Boerigter was definitely aware of the caste system. Here is an excerpt of what he said some years ago during an interview.

"The biggest thing that I think is really funny is the comparisons that people make," Boerigter said. "They always compare us to another white receiver. When I first came into the league, people were comparing me to Ed McCaffrey and Joe Jurevicius. We're always compared to those kinds of guys.

"You're never going to see any of us compared to (a black) receiver.

I've always wondered how much racism white players face on the field. I remember last season when players were calling Hillis "whiteboy". White skill position players are subject to this type of treatment even more than others.

I wouldn't say that necessarily means Boerigter was aware of the Caste System by any stretch. A lot of people are aware of how White receivers are always compared only to other White receivers, even a lot of DWFs, but still aren't anywhere near understanding the Caste System itself.

I hope some day CF develops a line of communication with professional White athletes, even if it's all very discreet. We need some first-hand witnesses and participants. We've been contacted by some ex-pros and a few college players, but not by any active pros yet.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I wouldn't say that necessarily means Boerigter was aware of the Caste System by any stretch. A lot of people are aware of how White receivers are always compared only to other White receivers, even a lot of DWFs, but still aren't anywhere near understanding the Caste System itself.

I hope some day CF develops a line of communication with professional White athletes, even if it's all very discreet. We need some first-hand witnesses and participants. We've been contacted by some ex-pros and a few college players, but not by any active pros yet.

Good point, Don. In any case he was more racially aware than most white athletes in the NFL for that matter. He may have wanted to say much more but he knew the consequences he would face if he did. I'd like to see more whites make similar statements and to go even further and mention the racism they have to endure at the hands of blacks. Things have gotten so bad in this country that whites can't even call blacks out on their racism anymore.

 

[bigunreal]

Hillis didn't practice again today, and is highly unlikely to miss Sunday's game. The 49ers are tops in the league against the run, so it would have been a terrible matchup, anyhow.

Hardesty is almost certain to put up horrible numbers again, but considering how he was praised for his 2.9 ypc against Seattle, if he survives the game, everyone will maintain he has "earned" the right for a bigger role.

 

[Don Wassall]

Actually, I've been surprised this week by all the support Hillis is receiving in the media. That Hillis a far better pass protector and receiver is obvious, and most realize he is a better runner as well.

One of the few exceptions was a well-known fantasy football writer. I went back and forth with him via email, and finally sent him Peter King's observations, and even he ended up writing on his site that Hillis should remain the starter if he can get healthy.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Here is an article from racist black writer Desi Cortez. Apparently we have it all wrong here. I've emailed this clown several different times with proof of what a fraud he is but he's never responded. His articles seem to focus on bashing white players and minimizing their accomplishments rather then supporting black athletes, which he claims he is doing. According to him it's not right for white people to cheer for white sports heroes. It's racist. This despite the fact that millions of DWF's parade around on Sundays with jerseys of negroes and cheer for their coal black sports teams. He's also made claims that whites are searching for a Great White Hope in boxing. I guess he doesn't watch boxing at all.

We here at Castefootball spend most of our time propping up our talented white athletes and trying to ensure that they get a fair opportunity whereas this joker loves so attack them. Sure we sometimes bash black players but some of their behaviors are out of this world.
APRIL 18, 2011 3:57PM
[h=2]Peyton Hillis Graces Cover of Madden - because he's White?[/h]

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White America’s never-ending quest for “Great White Hopes“ never ends . . . Peyton Hillis, on the cover of Madden? Only because he’s White.

You know, some of my closet friends are White . . . so don’t get it twisted inside-out, I’m no witchdoctor on a witch-hunt, I’m just an lifetime NFL fan . . . who’s never seen such overt White guy male-cheerleading in my entire life. I’ve seen quite a bit, don’t get me wrong, but nothing like this.

Somewhere in between insecurity and anger lies the “race-based” reasons why this “Albino Rhino” is being shoved down my throat as some combination of Larry the bazooka” Csonka and Lance “Bambi” Alworth . . . after only one season where this cat rumbled for 1177 yards . . . in a 16 game season, where he didn’t average 5 yards a carry, nor 100 yards a game - the Jim Brown standard for being a BAMF.

Jim Brown equals endurance and consistence, he never missed a game, this kids already missed more then a few. . . .

Talk about being handed, given something . . . something like fame, fortune the “alpha-male” tag and gridiron immortality. And he didn’t even ask for this PR campaign, he’s just the first in almost a quarter- century to posse the rare combo of both elusiveness and speed to go along with predictable power. Craig James was the last - and he was openly referred to as the Great White Hope. Why can’t the term still be applied? More-so now then ever before considering the numbers.

First and foremost, I like the kid, he’d start for me in heartbeat, the Broncos should be skinned for giving this barbarian the axe - 2 games over 5 yards-a-crack, 2 with a phenomenal 6 yards-a carry - the man brings it. Reminds me of a poor man’s Earl Campbell dipped in Vanilla - however, far removed from anything Peyton has said nor done - the prime motivating factor behind this big cats elevation to Great White Hunter status is his Great White Hope designation - White sports fans and Wall Street are hungry, starving, desperate for a White running back, as in tail-back, with some distinct manner, style which says . .”I am White man!! Hear me roar!!”

Tony Gerhart, Brain Leonard and Danny Woodhead are cool, but can you Imagine Woodhead in your funk?

Look, the lack of White running backs in the NFL has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with discrimination , racism, prejudice nor exclusion and everything to do with a lack of talent and skills. On the other, darker hand, the lack of Black Quarterbacks in the NFL has everything to do with discrimination, racism and prejudice resulting in the strategic intentional exclusion of Blacks at the Signal Caller position.

End of story.

Weigh, measure and pound this question out to its logical conclusion; if when Jackie Robinson was permitted by the great White fathers to play major league baseball, Blacks would have been permitted to play Quarterback in the NFL, and little Black boys across the US, since 1947 had been emulating and imitation guys like Willie Thrower . . . what would the field general position look like today?

Yes I Know, the guys at Bleacher Report, FOX Sports, AOL, ESPN, Yahoo none want the Great White Hope propaganda effort discussed or dissected. Matter-of-factly none of the sports press, whose course is set by White males, never wants to look at the racism which was and still is embedded in the NFL. We’re suppose to play it like we don’t see the glaring inequalities in the front-office, head coaching and coordinator positions, at the QB slot and within the ranks of cheerleaders.

Craig James, the last White guy to run f

I’m sorry, but I just can’t accept the token presence of beautiful Afro-American women as NFL cheerleaders - I’ve got sharp observations and blunt provocations about why the numbers are so pathetically-low . . .but that’s another piece of my mind I'll save for another time.


Now when Tony Gerhart complains about Black players/fans questioning the difficulty of his path to the NFL - he’s offended. Sorry kid, but its no secret how hungry White guys are for you to succeed and shine in the NFL, where you’re pitted against the e-lite Mandingos which predominate the league. You need to represent and dominate - and there are those who will say n’ do anything to get you to gridiron god status.

I believe its called affirmative action.

Think “Saving Private Hillis;“ Coaches, owners . . . going all-out-of- their-way to get any Great White Hope into the huddle. Corporate sponsors ejaculating over the visual of a modern-day Paul “the Golden Boy” Hornung to sell everything from cars to couches to coffins - sold to an starved White fan-base who craves someone to, dig this - identify with. . . . And of course the envious guys in the sportspress - all are more-then willing to fall on their ink pens, say anything, run a propaganda machine . . . in-order to elevate Hillis to Great White Hope stud-status - so he’s deserving of the cover of Madden.

Are you serious? Really? I thought we all dwelt in an colorblind society? White people preach to me like half made Puritains how they don’t see skin color . . . .

Hillis is such an Chris Collinsworth stretch, that it illustrates the lunacy and arrogance behind such an yearning. One can only guess how White guys grow weary of having their alpha-maleness, their athleticism, their ability to dance, jump, make rhythmic luv, play nicely with the other people on the planet questioned, debated and doubted.

It just seems so-very odd to most of us 3rd world descendants, we Americans-of-color, how mysteriously White guys dominated . . . when the games were fixed/segregated - and now today, having to compete on a level playing field . . . White guys basically can’t play tailback nor corner-back in the league, and it must be attributed to their physical, emotional and mental limitations, for I can’ find a Black head coach, team owner, college president who won’t let them.

Can you?

 

[Colonel_Reb]

That negro can't even spell or punctuate correctly. Tony Gerhart? more then a few? Only in Affirmative Action, pro-black Amerika could someone so inept (not to mention racist) be called a serious writer.

 

[whiteathlete33]

That negro can't even spell or punctuate correctly. Tony Gerhart? more then a few? Only in Affirmative Action, pro-black Amerika could someone so inept (not to mention racist) be called a serious writer.

Colonel, he writes for black athlete sports network. Some of his articles are nothing short of sickening, he's even gone as far as saying Tebow is treated like a god by white people. The negro still believes that there are no white boxing champions and claims America is looking for a great white hope. I could care less that he's pro black as all of us here are pro white. However, his jealousy of white people causes him to write these despicable articles which degrade all white athletes. I thought he was supposed to be promoting black athletes.

His other theory is that black quarterbacks suffer from racism. Black quarterbacks make up around 20 percent of the NFL which is a significantly higher percentage than the 13 percent of the population they account for. According to him whites can't ever be cornerbacks or runningbacks and blacks should also account for most qb's in the NFL.

 

[Truthteller]

That negro can't even spell or punctuate correctly. Tony Gerhart? more then a few? Only in Affirmative Action, pro-black Amerika could someone so inept (not to mention racist) be called a serious writer.

Reb, my bet is this is just another out of shape, 300 pound black clown, with a 5th grade caliber education, who writes for some lame-@ss website for a couple minutes each afternoon, then spends the rest of his days (and nights) eating unhealthy fast food, while starring at naked Nordic blondes on his favorite interracial websites. He might portray himself as a 'proud brutha', but my bet is he's just another prideless lout (like most proud brutas), who needs to demean Tebow and other white athletes in a fruitless attempt to convince himself that he's not a 'latent Uncle Tom'.

No wonder black woman 'sistas' are turning Lesbo at an alarming rate:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Express_Yourself/topic/2453026/1/

 

[Deadlift]

Reb, my bet is this is just another out of shape, 300 pound black clown, with a 5th grade caliber education, who writes for some lame-@ss website for a couple minutes each afternoon, then spends the rest of his days (and nights) eating unhealthy fast food, while starring at naked Nordic blondes on his favorite interracial websites. He might portray himself as a 'proud brutha', but my bet is he's just another prideless lout (like most proud brutas), who needs to demean Tebow and other white athletes in a fruitless attempt to convince himself that he's not a 'latent Uncle Tom'.

No wonder black woman 'sistas' are turning Lesbo at an alarming rate:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Express_Yourself/topic/2453026/1/

My eyes my eyes.. that's a large collection of SCARY (and scantily-clad) mulatto hoodrats. :cry:

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Truthteller, you are probably right. I couldn't stand to look at those pics, but I do see the trend increasing. I don't believe in homosexuality but an increase in that kind of behavior among minorities likely means declining birth rates for them which means we have a little more time to help wake up Whites and try to create some solidarity before we become a minority.

 

[jaxvid]

Those pics were just faux-lesbo posing to turn guys on. White girls do the same thing. It's no different then girls gone wild. Most black lesbians have kids-what does that tell you? The black birth rate is low anyway and dropping. I'll be happier when I see pics of immigrant latinas going gay.

 

[Don Wassall]

It's not like most black women are prizes that black men should be shamed for not going after. The black family structure was already in bad shape but it was destroyed by the Great Society and the welfare mentality it rewarded. If you ever read black men's laments about how bad black women are, it's sad and comical at the same time. The same process is happening to the White family and relations between White men and women; Whites are about where blacks were 30 years ago. At any rate, this topic belongs in Happy Hour, let's get back to Peyton Hillis.

 

[Don Wassall]

I'll bet china doll Hardesty is out a lot longer than two weeks. Hillis needs to get back on the field and play with the determination he did last year on a team with a bad offense that is even worse this year thanks to Holmgren and Schurmur.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot reports Montario Hardesty (calf) will be sidelined "at least" two weeks. Two weeks would be the best-case scenario for a torn calf, and considering Hardesty's injury history, he's very unlikely to miss only two games. He's off the radar in 10-to-12 team leagues. Cabot reported earlier in the day the Browns may bring back Thomas Clayton in Hardesty's absence. He was on the roster for two games last season, receiving only one carry. ​