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They definitely have similar size, straight line speed, and overall styles. But I don't think Woodhead is close in terms of elusiveness. Sanders was just that good
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They definitely have similar size, straight line speed, and overall styles. But I don't think Woodhead is close in terms of elusiveness. Sanders was just that good
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I really have no explanation for the baffling success of midget Russell Wilson. If this continues in the coming years, we may be forced to eat our words, but I hope this is a flash in the pan, and Wilson will be exposed as soon as next year.
As for Gremlin, Kapernick, and the recent "resurgence" of Newton, unfortunately we may have to put up with this hype for some time, until all these black quarterbacks fall back to earth like their predecessors.
As for Gremlin, Kapernick, and the recent "resurgence" of Newton, unfortunately we may have to put up with this hype for some time, until all these black quarterbacks fall back to earth like their predecessors.
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I think Chuckie said something about halting moment for the Jets offense when Tebow came in. I think a stalled offense would be better than 4 or 5 turnovers....:thumbdown: I know it's too late but Ryan should have set a criteria for when he used Tebow. Playing him on a whim and then yanking him is useless for the offense.
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Correct on all points, and if given the ball enough times (15-20x per game), Woodhead would be consistent 1000 yard rusher, no doubt about it. It's very frustrating to see him having to share the ball with inferior RBs ahead of him on the depth chart, but then again, NE is the only team who's permitting a White man to run the ball on a consistent basis, so we can't complain too much.
But the Sanders comparison is ridiculous, let's not get carried away here.
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They are not going to bench Sanchez. I think Tebow ends up with another team next year and the Jets draft a "real" quarterback. They would have named him starter several games ago. His black teammates bash him in the media and claim he can't be a starting quarterback and of course the moron Ryan listens to them. Ryan doesn't even run that team. The inmates do.
I think Ryan will start McElroy. The final slap in the face to Tebow. I think Tebow will search for a new team and of course we will hear about Jacksonville. However, there must be a reason he isn't already in Jacksonville and that reason hasn't disappeared. Thus, Jacksonville will draft some black QB like Geno Smiff and either have no interest in Tebow or sign him and make him sit behind the latest new flash in the pan. The absurdity has become predictable.
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Poor Mark Sanchez. According to the talking heads, having Tebow's presence has ruined him. His development of 4 full seasons in the NFL has come to a sudden halt. The coaches didn't help the poor boy enough and develop him. Could you imagine a white 4 year veteran be given such pity? Or even given 4 years - the last 2 years of which have been horrible.
Christian Ponder (and I'm not a big fan) has been scoured by the media and fans in just his second year - and while his team is heading to the playoffs. Alex Smith is constantly scoured by media types at any opportunity and was benched while leading the league in completion percentage and third in QBR with one of the best starting records over the past couple of years. But poor poor Mark Sanchez. He's the Great Mexican Hope. We must find a reasonable excuse for his dreadfully awful play. And above all we must not let Tebow play.
Christian Ponder (and I'm not a big fan) has been scoured by the media and fans in just his second year - and while his team is heading to the playoffs. Alex Smith is constantly scoured by media types at any opportunity and was benched while leading the league in completion percentage and third in QBR with one of the best starting records over the past couple of years. But poor poor Mark Sanchez. He's the Great Mexican Hope. We must find a reasonable excuse for his dreadfully awful play. And above all we must not let Tebow play.
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Kaptain, As far as the "excuses" for Sanchez go, it's said in my trade, "Excuses are like a**holes, everyones got one."
Tom Iron...
Tom Iron...
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Absolutely correct. I truly believe that Tebow is totally finished in the NFL. Hes just too dangerous to satan worshiping ptb to allow him a spotlight to shine from. I think its safe to say Tim is the #1 enemy of the caste system.
Part of it seems to be also that Sanchez is being pampered like a black quarterback. That's never been an issue with Tony Romo, who is part hispanic but looks white bread, and never factored into the usage of more "exotic" looking QBs like Jim Plunkett and Tom Flores. But Sanchez is seen by some as the Great Hispanic Hope, which doesn't seem to be anything Sanchez has embraced himself but which factors into the strange stubborness not to bench him even temporarily for Tebow or anyone else.
And now, Piggy Boy has finally decided to bench Sanchez, but of course he passes over Tebow for Greg McElroy. The Caste circus continues. . .
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I feel terrible for Tim Tebow. He has been jerked around all year, and all he's done is remain positive and supportive of the team, despite the limited opportunities he's been offered. They have treated him more or less like a freak-show, and if nothing else, he deserved to start these last 2 games and show what he could do.
If it's really true that Tebow had a choice between JAX and NYJ, and picked the Jets, I wonder what was promised him, because this cannot be it. I'm afraid I agree with one of the previous posters that Tebow is now officially finished. There's a constant pipeline of new QBs who will be drafted from college in the coming years, and there's no way I can see a team giving him a fair shot as a starter.
This is where a somewhat legit case can be made of a conspiracy. Tebow is indeed enemy #1, he took the nation and the league by storm last year, and they orchestrated this move to ensure he goes into oblivion. While he has not thrown the ball accurately enough to be considered a legit starter in the NFL, I still think with the right system and proper coaching, he could have developed into one.
If it's really true that Tebow had a choice between JAX and NYJ, and picked the Jets, I wonder what was promised him, because this cannot be it. I'm afraid I agree with one of the previous posters that Tebow is now officially finished. There's a constant pipeline of new QBs who will be drafted from college in the coming years, and there's no way I can see a team giving him a fair shot as a starter.
This is where a somewhat legit case can be made of a conspiracy. Tebow is indeed enemy #1, he took the nation and the league by storm last year, and they orchestrated this move to ensure he goes into oblivion. While he has not thrown the ball accurately enough to be considered a legit starter in the NFL, I still think with the right system and proper coaching, he could have developed into one.
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Fu** thet Jets. They are starting McElroy over Tebow this Sunday. While I'm happy for the kid, Tebow deserves better. I can't wait for the owners to run Coach Ryan out of town and for Tim to get out of that hell hole. Go to Jacksonville Tebow. That is probably the only place that will give you a fair chance. Get out now and don't look back.
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Maybe Tebow is really not that good a quarterback. I thought he was great at Florida but some of his throws make Mike Vick look like an accurate qb.
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What’s ironic is that in Tebow’s rookie year he looked okay passing the ball. His stats were not eye popping, but it looked as though with the right system he could play. I do wonder if what seemed like a national campaign to slander his passing has worked itself into Tebow’s psyche.
[video=youtube;ydEuKq9DKww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydEuKq9DKww[/video]
I beg to differ with this point. He has 17 regular season TDs and 9 interceptions for lower interception ratio than most starting qbs. His yards per attempt is roughly in line with many starting quarterbacks. These stats don't include his incredible performance in the playoffs against the Steelers not mention his incredible running ability. The caste clowns on TV keep repeating this line, but we shouldn't believe it. Repeating a lie is an effective propaganda technique and this is perfect example.
The much "revered" London Fletcher invites 50 relatives to watch the Blackskins play against the Browns in Cleveland, and guess what? A riot breaks out.
Redskins’ London Fletcher upset over relatives’ arrests at Browns Stadium
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1709...over-relatives-arrests-at-browns-stadium.html
Redskins’ London Fletcher upset over relatives’ arrests at Browns Stadium
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1709...over-relatives-arrests-at-browns-stadium.html
I don't think his psyche had anything to do with it. He seemed to have a good psyche when he won all those games in the 4th quarter. In Tebow's rookie year he was treated like a real quarterback with coaches that drafted him high and wanted him to succeed. John Fox clearly wanted Tebow to fail as his ego couldn't admit that he was wrong. He treated like a one dimensional gimmick qb. Passing was only on third and long with maybe two possible recieving targets. Hard to succeed in a system set to fail. Still Tim succeeded despite the coach. He had plenty of confidence and a great psyche. He's just too nice of a guy to publicly admit that he is getting screwed over.
See Toby Gerhart and drafting by the Vikings and for all intents and purposes put him on ice, although Peterson is having a surreal season especially after his major injury last year.
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Exactly correct. The Brian Leonard/Jacob Hester/Toby Gerhart bizarre drafting situations are proof that the caste "conspiracy" is much more than just a mental thing on the part of coaches, owners, and GMs. Same can be said for the extremely talented duel threat White QBs. There are definitely puppet masters behind the scenes.
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Agreed, this lie was continuously repeated when TT came out of Florida, saying he was an inaccurate passer, but his 66.8% career completion rate and career 177 rating was as good if not better than most and doing this in the SEC! A blatant lie. Why was no one calling out the draft idiot experts on this?
How do we know he's not a very good QB? While his completion %(47), wasn't that impressive last season, it was not much worse than many first year QB's. Many rookie QB's who have become stars first year completion percentage was in the mid to low 50's, Peyton Manning included, 56%.
Black QB's even worse and given many opportunities to improve unlike Tim Tebow!
Michael Vick first year completion %, 44
Donovan McNabb, 49%
Vince Young, 51%
Just to name a few. Let's hope TT gets a ligitimate shot at becoming an NFL QB.
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Josh Freeman, first year, 10 TD's, 18 INT's, 59 rating, 54% comp, Tim Tebow would no longer be in the NFL if he had stats that bad in Denver!
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Great post Carolina Speed. Im always amazed at how well propaganda works when its so mercilessly hammered into us. Tebow could be unstoppable in a situation where a team was built around his skill set. Of course the same could be said about Matt Jones, and Eric Crouch too. Im wondering if they will expect johnny Football to be a WR, or something crazy like that when he comes out of college.
Word out of Chicago is that there's a good chance Hatie Smith will be fired after the season. Romeo Crennel has reportedly already been informed that he's through after the Chiefs' final game. If so the NFL will be down to three black head coaches. Looks like the great black coaching experiment isn't working out much better than the great black QB experiment.