NFL Draft Question: Why is 60 a Significant Number this Week?

[Truthteller]

Leonardfan, if history is any guide, you will be proven to be correct. I think this is a very important topic, particularly for lurkers to know about. The fact that virtually the same percentage (74% to 78%) of blacks and a small group of fat Polynesians are drafted year-to-year, for almost two decades, is statistically impossible (as bigunreal notes) in a nation where blacks comprise a bit over 12% of the population. Also, within that 12%, there is a ton of dysfunction, meaning a significant number of younger black males are ensnared in criminal justice system or victims of urban violence well before they even leave high school and can never be drafted. Yet, somehow, someway, things never change, even if the black talent pool dwindles a bit. Why?

Below are two great, partial posts from bigunreal from 2011 and 2012, respectively. Can anyone say anything has changed between the 2014 NFL Draft and the 2018 NFL Draft to prove bigunreal or any of us wrong, in regards to showing how the powers-that-be rig the draft process to make sure only about 53 to 59 whites (excluding kickers and punters) are drafted year after year?

This is clearly a planned event. There is little or no happenstance involved, otherwise the randomness factor would ensure that the average number of white players drafted wouldn't be virtually the same every year. The same thing goes for roster sizes, which can only reach a certain level of whiteness before it has to be corrected. That's obviously what happened to Green Bay. They will have less whites this year. If the Packers really wanted to win, why would they dismantle their roster after winning the championship? Wouldn't you want to keep a successful organization as intact as possible?

Riddlewire has this exactly right. There are no good coaches. They all love thugs and favor blacks over whites, because they love getting that fat paycheck and the adoration of the jock sniffers in the media. As was also noted, these guys are not stupid. If they were actually trying to build winning teams, they wouldn't continue to load up on subpar blacks that fail to pan out on an interchangeable basis season after season. And once again, the few white skill players or high profile defensive players continue to go to teams where they will not have a chance to start. The randomness factor, as noted earlier, ensures that this sort of thing could not just happen as frequently as it does.

How much of a deviation is there between the total number of white players drafted year to year? It seems to me that it's always in the mid to high 50s. I submit that this is statistically impossible. Without a strict quota system, there is just no way that an aggregate number of separate, "competing" organizations could manage, collectively, to arrive at nearly the same figure after every draft.

The other thing that is simply impossible to explain innocently is the way no team ever gets above 25 white players on their roster. If the Packers really wanted to win, why would they dismantle their roster after winning the championship? Wouldn't you want to keep a successful organization as intact as possible?

Finally, if some intrepid reporters over at ESPN really want to do some investigative reporting for Bob Ley's Outside the Lines, they might want to look into the topic we've been discussing in this thread the last seven years. How about just once, instead of doing the same trite reports they've done a million times over the last 30 years: Why aren't there more black head coaches in the NFL? Why are African-American's disappearing from baseball? Is the name Redskins racist? Blah, blah, blah, who cares anymore?

 

[Truthteller]

Wow, what a surprise, NFL.com draft writer has put forth an updated 7 round mock draft and the number of white draft picks, excluding punters and kickers, is exactly 60, per my calculation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...r-2019-sevenround-nfl-mock-draft-team-by-team


I'm not 100% sure on all these players, but using Leonardfan's big board I think 60 to 62 is a decent bet. I suppose that would be an improvement, as most years this writer is well below 60?

No white defensive backs or running backs drafted in this tool-bags mock. Only two wide receivers, including a goy (David Stills) that was projected by most prior to the season as being a potential first or second round pick, sliding deep into the sixth round. Before some white hating Tribesman surfs on to CF to defend his ebony hero's by blasting Stills 40 time, don't forget current Vikings bust Laquan Tredwell refused to run at the Combine, then only ran 4.65 (with very poor shuttles) on a fast track at his Pro Day**, but still went in the first round.

Also, Hunter Renfrow, who helped lead Clemson to two national titles and outright WON one title game for his team with an amazing, clutch TD is missing from uber-dork's 7th round mock draft. While Renfrow is undrafted, Turd Man found a way to sneak receivers from these schools into his mock: UC Davis, Buffalo, Alabama at Birmingham, Monmouth, Northwestern State, Georgia State, and Toledo. No doubt, the "amazing upside" possessed by these stalwarts must be so stunning, that they've displaced Renfrow. Oh, by the way, the "Toledo receiver" in the mock is not Cody Thompson. Go figure?


**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laquon_Treadwell

 

[Shadowlight]

Right on posts right above. Oddly that mock draft above includes both McSorley and Fitzgerald. I don't think I have seen them in any other mock drafts. And I suspect you won't see them in the real draft either. Even though both deserved to get drafted albeit in the late rounds. You know to copy Taysom Hill. A spark for the offense. Sounds good but white players providing a spark doesn't sit well with most teams I guess.

Funny how the Patriots and their stalwart white wide receivers isn't copied throughout the league. And the successful Taysom Hill experiment by the Saints doesn't seem to leave a trail either.

Yet if a black skill player does something every Tom, Dick and Harry gets on board.

But overall this mock from a familiar draft guru's name doesn't cut the mustard. No white DBs? Two measly white WRs?

They sneak these black wide receiver types in every year from high school competition teams, my bad, I meant college (cough ) teams. Truthteller lists the dweeb schools and seeing them in the harsh light of day really does burn the ass when you consider how many worthy white WRs are left on the table.

The WR from Monmouth is the son of a former NFL player. Oh Monmouth that's where Chris Hogan went to school. The pipeline. Well not exactly. Chris Hogan never got drafted.

 

[Truthteller]

Right on posts right above. Oddly that mock draft above includes both McSorley and Fitzgerald. I don't think I have seen them in any other mock drafts. And I suspect you won't see them in the real draft either. Even though both deserved to get drafted albeit in the late rounds. You know to copy Taysom Hill. A spark for the offense. Sounds good but white players providing a spark doesn't sit well with most teams I guess.

I agree Shadowlight, I also noticed the All-Purpose quarterbacks in the mock draft. I doubt either would be drafted as true quarterbacks, so what's the chance some NFL team will really draft them as "athletes"? And what are their chances of making a 53 man roster as a safety or wide receiver?

Trace McSorely at safety? Why wouldn't a team select Andrew Wingard, who was a four year college star at the position instead? Why not select Chris Johnson, who has tremendous size, speed and athletic ability and has played the position since pee-wee ball instead? Does this make any sense at all?

Funny how the Patriots and their stalwart white wide receivers isn't copied throughout the league. And the successful Taysom Hill experiment by the Saints doesn't seem to leave a trail either.

Yes, it's obvious the agenda here is not to win as many games as possible. Look at Cucky Gruden, he led everyone to believe he was going to "jazz up" the Raiders offense with Jordy Nelson starting outside, Griff Whalen being the teams' #3 in the slot and Ryan Switzer battling Whalen for reps, while handing all the kicks and punts for the Raiders. How did that workout? Did Cucky suddenly "chicken out" playing three white receivers (like the Patriots), fearing a locker room revolt, coupled with a potential blow-back from the anti-white media?

Here's an amazing bigunreal post about winning and profits being secondary, as well as trashing the DWF's that fund the overtly racist NFL: http://castefootball.us/index.php?threads/annual-nfl-white-purge-2013.16002/#post-281583

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Here's another 7 round mock from a black CBS Sports "draft expert", who always seems to downgrade white athletes. He's also in the expected range of 57 to 60 whites selected, but includes a white DB and a stunning 5 white wide receivers: Isabella, Stills, Renfrow, Thompson and Irwin. Mock also has comments after each pick, although most belong to another CBS writer, Chris T.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...ck-goes-before-haskins-bears-start-on-o-line/

 

[Shadowlight]

The "Outside the Lines" feature on ESPN should be retitled "Inside the Lines." I agree. Stories regarding lack of black head coaches, the Redskins so called controversial name and the one that takes the cake and eats it to every year the question of African American baseball players are stale run of the mill anti white racist nonsense. Pure balderdash.

"Outside the Lines" should be focusing on fresh stories like the make up of modern day sports, the media slant and the push to exclude white athletes to the margins for starters.

But back to the NFL draft show. I do not eat fast food. Last time I had a Burger King I was in my teens. Doesn't make me superior or anything it is just that all I tasted was grease.

But as we look at the numbers every year of how many white players get drafted it got me to thinking that the draft has been just like a fast food hamburger. Some beef (we think) but full of antibiotics, artificial ingredients and non food chemical concoctions including who knows what which all make up filler. Filler--everything above and beyond the beef.

So we witness every year a draft full of black filler which means most of these players are hardly draft worthy. They are just black bodies that steal away opportunities form the white players.

Where is the filler most apparent? Certainly there are some black defensive linemen and linebackers that qualify as filler.

But to me the most noticeable filler spots are taken up by black running backs, black wide receivers (usually a fair share from pseudo sports colleges--see above posts) and of course black defensive backs.

I am sure many here have witnessed draft after draft hoping and half expecting a talented skilled white player to be selected only to be bombarded by a bunch of no name black skill players.

Hell I remember several drafts where a long endless run of black DBs were chosen. Just a constant stream of the "world's greatest athletes" names being called. And it makes me sick every year.

Stuffing the draft with a bunch of semi talented black fillers essentially assures the NFL that it will remain predominantly black. And that has been gone over and discussed at length here at caste football for ages.

Like an iron grip this seems like a fixed formula for an eternity.

Now I will argue there are signs of improvement, albeit slight but still significant, over the past several years. Starting with a white tail back (CM) getting drafted early in the first round and an uptick in the number of white WRs drafted. Although that trend may not last. And all signs point to one of the better drafts for white defensive players this go around.

But the snags are still there and none more obvious to me than the lack of white defensive backs which is bewildering considering how truly awful most black DB play has been in the past five plus years.

And running back, which requires all of the offensive players to be on board, continues to be a sticky wicket for black dominated locker rooms which translates into most NFL teams. A passing white QB has always been tolerated and welcomed because they get the ball to the black receivers. A white running back is another story altogether.

If I was a scout I would put both white dual threat QBs discussed on the draft board meaning must get drafted. I would have 3 white DBs( Johnson, Gervace and Wingard) on the draft board. I would have two white running backs on the draft board. And I would have anywhere between 6-9 white WRs on the draft board. As far as the front seven on defense I would include all of the players on Leonardfan's draft board and add roughly 7-10 more white front seven players.

But you can't fight town hall and you can't fight black filler. All we can hope for is that the filler isn't as big as usual and some more deserving white skill players get drafted.

 

[Freethinker]

The "Outside the Lines" feature on ESPN should be retitled "Inside the Lines." I agree. Stories regarding lack of black head coaches, the Redskins so called controversial name and the one that takes the cake and eats it to every year the question of African American baseball players are stale run of the mill anti white racist nonsense. Pure balderdash.

"Outside the Lines" should be focusing on fresh stories like the make up of modern day sports, the media slant and the push to exclude white athletes to the margins for starters.

But back to the NFL draft show. I do not eat fast food. Last time I had a Burger King I was in my teens. Doesn't make me superior or anything it is just that all I tasted was grease.

But as we look at the numbers every year of how many white players get drafted it got me to thinking that the draft has been just like a fast food hamburger. Some beef (we think) but full of antibiotics, artificial ingredients and non food chemical concoctions including who knows what which all make up filler. Filler--everything above and beyond the beef.

So we witness every year a draft full of black filler which means most of these players are hardly draft worthy. They are just black bodies that steal away opportunities form the white players.

Where is the filler most apparent? Certainly there are some black defensive linemen and linebackers that qualify as filler.

But to me the most noticeable filler spots are taken up by black running backs, black wide receivers (usually a fair share from pseudo sports colleges--see above posts) and of course black defensive backs.

I am sure many here have witnessed draft after draft hoping and half expecting a talented skilled white player to be selected only to be bombarded by a bunch of no name black skill players.

Hell I remember several drafts where a long endless run of black DBs were chosen. Just a constant stream of the "world's greatest athletes" names being called. And it makes me sick every year.

Stuffing the draft with a bunch of semi talented black fillers essentially assures the NFL that it will remain predominantly black. And that has been gone over and discussed at length here at caste football for ages.

Like an iron grip this seems like a fixed formula for an eternity.

Now I will argue there are signs of improvement, albeit slight but still significant, over the past several years. Starting with a white tail back (CM) getting drafted early in the first round and an uptick in the number of white WRs drafted. Although that trend may not last. And all signs point to one of the better drafts for white defensive players this go around.

But the snags are still there and none more obvious to me than the lack of white defensive backs which is bewildering considering how truly awful most black DB play has been in the past five plus years.

And running back, which requires all of the offensive players to be on board, continues to be a sticky wicket for black dominated locker rooms which translates into most NFL teams. A passing white QB has always been tolerated and welcomed because they get the ball to the black receivers. A white running back is another story altogether.

If I was a scout I would put both white dual threat QBs discussed on the draft board meaning must get drafted. I would have 3 white DBs( Johnson, Gervace and Wingard) on the draft board. I would have two white running backs on the draft board. And I would have anywhere between 6-9 white WRs on the draft board. As far as the front seven on defense I would include all of the players on Leonardfan's draft board and add roughly 7-10 more white front seven players.

But you can't fight town hall and you can't fight black filler. All we can hope for is that the filler isn't as big as usual and some more deserving white skill players get drafted.

Excellent post and I love your analogy comparing the caste system to fast food mystery meat burgers. Hope that filler metaphor catches on.

 

[Leonardfan]

Shadowlight,

Filler is a great word to use. I was going over some of the numbers of how many players were drafted by position. DB (combining both cb and safety) probably amount to at least 40 draft picks on average, WRs 30 picks on average, RBs 20 picks - thats 90 picks at positions where maybe 5 white players get drafted from. It’s unreal.

We do see upside laden sumos, DL and Lbs also get picked in front of athletically similar yet more productive white athletes as well. When white players are essentially blackballed from three positions that provide 90-100 players to the draft it’s clear as day why we never see more than 50-60 white players drafted.

 

[Truthteller]

Great points, men. DWF's and anti-whites can disagree with us, but no one can say we don't have great, insightful posters at CF. Here's another mock and, guess what, we have another total of about 58 whites in the 7 rounds?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...ll-32-teams-with-34-trades-and-all-the-picks/

All three full mocks I linked (done by different people) have had almost the same exact amount of whites picks from #1 to #254. This is crazy, it's almost like the NFL has sent a secret memo out to the Net nerds that do mocks drafts and informed them that only 60 whites (excluding kickers, punters, LS) are allowed to be drafted.

With what seems to be a better crop of white front 7 defenders, Leonardfan projects over 70 (even acknowledging the Caste System). Hopefully he's right. It would be nice if, even for just one weekend, we can go back to the mid 1990's, when 70-75 whites selected was the norm. I used to think those were really dark days for whites. Who would've figured much darker days were right around the corner?

There will be a flood of lurkers coming to the site tonight. I think I'll leave with this great quote from bigunreal, which pretty much shows how the NFL Draft must be rigged against whites:

How much of a deviation is there between the total number of white players drafted year to year? It seems to me that it's always in the mid to high 50s. I submit that this is statistically impossible. Without a strict quota system, there is just no way that an aggregate number of (32) separate, "competing" organizations could manage, collectively, to arrive at nearly the same figure after every draft.

 

[Truthteller]

I remember back in the mid-to-latter part of the 1990's, when I used to follow college football and the NFL draft much more closely, I used to be upset to see that only about 72 to 75 whites would be picked (close to 30%) year-after-year. Little did I know at the time things would get progressively worse. Based on the way things are trending, 70 whites drafted this week would be a minor miracle and a very much welcome surprise, as only 53 to 59 whites being drafted has been the absolute norm for several years now.

So, will 60 whites be drafted this year -- minus kickers, punters and snappers?

Perhaps? But my guess is we will not see 65 whites (minus special teams) drafted in any draft any time soon. If there is any credible reason to believe a "Caste System" might exist, one only needs to ask why year-after-year pretty much the same percentage of whites are selected -- in the 23 to 26% range -- with almost no variation? My guess is even CF's most hardened skeptics would have a hard time giving us a reason why the numbers never change!

My prediction: 63 whites will be picked this year. 3 to 5 will be special teams (kickers/punters) types, so the true number will, once again, be in the high 50's.

That's a quote from the first post in this thread from April 25th 2013. I guess some might differ, with Taylor Rapp or Elliss, but it looks like the final tally today was about 60 whites drafted, excluding kickers, punters and long snappers. I've always excluded them because they are all white positions which blacks don't want to play. Ever see any black or white libitard in coaching or the media (i.e. Stephen F. Smiff or Max Kellerman) complain about the lack of black PK's, P's and LS'ers? I never have? And when the rare black punter or kicker is drafted, the media ignores them as much as any anonymous, white blocking fullback. Means they don't even want those positions?

Don't want to toot my own horn, but I predicted what would happen today all the way back in 2012 and 2013 threads. Actually, I mentioned this "60 threshold" on the site before that -- 2009 or 2010, just can't track down the posts. Things never seem to change. The beat goes on; the beat goes on.

 

[Old Scratch]

Taylor Rapp

Rapp is definitely not seen as White only Asian. He ran a 40 time in the 4.7 range at his pro day, and didn't even run it at the combine. Yet still was a high round draft pick, if he was seen as more White than not he wouldn't even get signed as an UDFA, his 3 cone and shuffle times being irrelevant. Wingard ran a 4.56 at the combine, that is too slow for a White DB to get drafted, that makes him too "unathletic," and not athletic enough to be an NFL athlete where all DBs must run in the 4.4s or better except for some black CBs selected in the first and second rounds with times in the 4.6 range.

 

[Freethinker]

That's a quote from the first post in this thread from April 25th 2013. I guess some might differ, with Taylor Rapp or Elliss, but it looks like the final tally today was about 60 whites drafted, excluding kickers, punters and long snappers. I've always excluded them because they are all white positions which blacks don't want to play. Ever see any black or white libitard in coaching or the media (i.e. Stephen F. Smiff or Max Kellerman) complain about the lack of black PK's, P's and LS'ers? I never have? And when the rare black punter or kicker is drafted, the media ignores them as much as any anonymous, white blocking fullback. Means they don't even want those positions?

Don't want to toot my own horn, but I predicted what would happen today all the way back in 2012 and 2013 threads. Actually, I mentioned this "60 threshold" on the site before that -- 2009 or 2010, just can't track down the posts. Things never seem to change. The beat goes on; the beat goes on.

Yes, excellent work TT. Thanks for all your contributions on this year’s draft.

 

[Truthteller]

I agree Old Scratch. I mentioned in the NFL Draft thread that prior to the season NFL.com did a long, in-depth feature on David Sills V, where they led everyone to believe he was first or second round caliber prospect. They did a similar, long feature on Taylor Rapp and most of article revolved around his Chinese heritage (mother's side) and how Rapp would be a great asset/ambassador for a league that was looking to get a stronger foothold (for financial gain) in the Chinese market. Looks like, despite his really poor workouts, the NFL needed him and wanted him and was he picked higher than expected despite his very poor Pro Day numbers, perhaps to exploit the Chinese angle? You are correct, if he was full white he would've never been picked. I remember several years back Boston College had a similar, touted safety named Jamie Silva (I think?). He put up similar workout numbers as Rapp and he totally tanked -- went from a 4th round projection (or so) to a low priority UFA with the Colts and never had a chance.

Personally, I will not root against Rapp. But I would not necessarily count him as white, although I suppose some will. So, in the end, it came down to about 58 to 60 white, non special teams, goys drafted. Business as usual, right? And, reality is, teams probably already know at least one of the fullback's, linebacker's or tight end's drafted today could wind up as full time long snapper -- same way once decent tight end and linebacker prospects Clark Harris, Jason Kyle and Zach DeOssie were relegated to solely snapping early in their careers.

Thanks Freethinker. There are a lot of things I can comment on, but I'll try to keep this brief. Everyone seemed to be surprised when the Arizona Cardinals, one of the most ant-white teams ever in the NFL, started picking whites fairly high. But checkout what I posted back in early February**. I really began to see this happening when they started adding a bunch of backup linebacker types last fall. For years they never had no more than one white on defense, suddenly they are collecting them like a kid accumulates candy? Did the Isabella and Allen picks prove me right? ** http://castefootball.us/index.php?threads/2019-nfl-draft.36740/page-11#post-737639

By the way, in another thread I foresaw Cleveland as being a team that is going in the opposite direction (cleansing whites as fast as they can), under new GM Meathead Dorsey. Meat is fascinating. He played/starred at Connecticut when they were really small time in the early 1980's. I don't remember him as a college or NFL player, but assumed he just some "rural hick" from Connecticut or some other Northeastern state? Turns out he's from a family of very prominent Democrats from Maryland. Parents were both political figures. Mother got divorced, then married a high power Jewish man, that became the Governor of Maryland. Point? Perhaps Dorsey is a real life, NFL version of Keith Olbermann? So, outside of Baker at quarterback, expect this club to bleed whites in the near future. Don't be surprised if they eventually resemble the Holmgren/Favre era Packers -- white star quarterback; total of about 4 white starters -- mostly guards/centers. Hopefully Joe Schobert survives the inevitable racially cleansing in Ohio.

 

[Truthteller]

I started this thread in 2013 and it seemed like 60 (whites drafted) was a lock at that time. However, the way things are currently swinging, 60 might be a pipe-dream.....I'm afraid the "new normal" might be around 51 (or less 46 to 49), minus P's,K's and Snappers?

This is my first post this month. However, in the last few weeks I've been exchanging draft thoughts regularly with Leonardfan. Recently he posted his draft projections and did a great job with it. He follows the college game and the draft closer than me, so I will absolutely defer to him. That said, I hope my friend's off a bit, because this draft looks bleak if his projections are even close. This could be 2015 all over again, if true. That's the year I didn't even bother to watch the early rounds of the draft.

Also, as low as DWF draft sites (ESPN, CBS, USA Today, ect.) have ranked the top white defenders, there might be a modicum of good news in the Top 150 rankings from veteran NFL.com Caste Cuck/ex-Dallas Cowboys exec Gil Brandt. He seems to have the most favorable rankings of anyone on the Net and is undoubtedly the most connected to NFL scouts and execs.

Below I listed were Brandt rated the players. From there I posted a +/- of 12 spots to where they might land, if Brandt is correct:

#63 Logan Wilson, LB 2nd/3rd
#68 James Lynch, DE 2nd/3rd
#94 Joe Bachie LB 3rd
#99 Kenny Wilkes 3rd/4th
108 Dante Olsen 3rd/4th
115 Derrek Tuszka, EDGE 4th


Another quick point. Back in 2018 Red Raider posted this photo of safety Astyin Davis (ranked 51st by Brandt) with his family. I know the assumption is he's part black. But looking at his parents, I'm not so sure? Mother's name is Cohen, so it's very likely she's Jewish. Perhaps the kinky hair is just a modern day of the "Jewish Afro".....Either way, outside of this site DWF's will most certainly see him as white

 

[Extra Point]

Curtis Weaver is black. You may have been thinking of LB Evan Weaver, who is white, who is a pretty good prospect.

 

[Leonardfan]

I started this thread in 2013 and it seemed like 60 (whites drafted) was a lock at that time. However, the way things are currently swinging, 60 might be a pipe-dream.....I'm afraid the "new normal" might be around 51 (or less 46 to 49), minus P's,K's and Snappers?

This is my first post this month. However, in the last few weeks I've been exchanging draft thoughts regularly with Leonardfan. Recently he posted his draft projections and did a great job with it. He follows the college game and the draft closer than me, so I will absolutely defer to him. That said, I hope my friend's off a bit, because this draft looks bleak if his projections are even close. This could be 2015 all over again, if true. That's the year I didn't even bother to watch the early rounds of the draft.

Also, as low as DWF draft sites (ESPN, CBS, USA Today, ect.) have ranked the top white defenders, there might be a modicum of good news in the Top 150 rankings from veteran NFL.com Caste Cuck/ex-Dallas Cowboys exec Gil Brandt. He seems to have the most favorable rankings of anyone on the Net and is undoubtedly the most connected to NFL scouts and execs.

Below I listed were Brandt rated the players. From there I posted a +/- of 12 spots to where they might land, if Brandt is correct:

#63 Logan Wilson, LB 2nd/3rd
#68 James Lynch, DE 2nd/3rd
#76 Curtis Weaver, EDGE 2nd/3rd
#94 Joe Bachie LB 3rd
#99 Kenny Willekes 3rd/4th
108 Dante Olsen 3rd/4th
115 Derrek Tuszka, EDGE 4th


Another quick point. Back in 2018 Red Raider posted this photo of safety Ashtin Davis (ranked 51st by Brandt) with his family. I know the assumption is he's part black. But looking at his parents, I'm not so sure? Mother's name is Cohen, so it's very likely she's Jewish. Perhaps the kinky hair is just a modern day of the "Jewish Afro".....Either way, outside of this site DWF's will most certainly see him as white

I do hope the projections that you have posted come true. My gut feeling is this is going to be another 2015 fiasco but even so I was still able to get a solid 70 or so draftable prospects listed so I look forward to seeing what actually happens. The shutting down of pro days, the cancellation of the 30 player per team visits and virtual meetings which have replaced the in person visits between teams and prospects may also skew this draft - those are all unknown factors. Will NFL personnel people have to "trust the tape" a little more this season rather than rely on pro day workout numbers to pluck small school obscure black players over better white players from major conferences? Conversely, the Senior Bowl and Combine did white players no favors this year and the lack of pro days could end up negatively impacting white players as well who may have had the slim chance of being actually recognized at their pro day. The best case scenario would be white players who were invited to the Shrine game getting a bump above the above mentioned obscure black players with amazing limitless upside.

 

[Red Raider]

I started this thread in 2013 and it seemed like 60 (whites drafted) was a lock at that time. However, the way things are currently swinging, 60 might be a pipe-dream.....I'm afraid the "new normal" might be around 51 (or less 46 to 49), minus P's,K's and Snappers?

This is my first post this month. However, in the last few weeks I've been exchanging draft thoughts regularly with Leonardfan. Recently he posted his draft projections and did a great job with it. He follows the college game and the draft closer than me, so I will absolutely defer to him. That said, I hope my friend's off a bit, because this draft looks bleak if his projections are even close. This could be 2015 all over again, if true. That's the year I didn't even bother to watch the early rounds of the draft.

Also, as low as DWF draft sites (ESPN, CBS, USA Today, ect.) have ranked the top white defenders, there might be a modicum of good news in the Top 150 rankings from veteran NFL.com Caste Cuck/ex-Dallas Cowboys exec Gil Brandt. He seems to have the most favorable rankings of anyone on the Net and is undoubtedly the most connected to NFL scouts and execs.

Below I listed were Brandt rated the players. From there I posted a +/- of 12 spots to where they might land, if Brandt is correct:

#63 Logan Wilson, LB 2nd/3rd
#68 James Lynch, DE 2nd/3rd
#94 Joe Bachie LB 3rd
#99 Kenny Wilkes 3rd/4th
108 Dante Olsen 3rd/4th
115 Derrek Tuszka, EDGE 4th


Another quick point. Back in 2018 Red Raider posted this photo of safety Astyin Davis (ranked 51st by Brandt) with his family. I know the assumption is he's part black. But looking at his parents, I'm not so sure? Mother's name is Cohen, so it's very likely she's Jewish. Perhaps the kinky hair is just a modern day of the "Jewish Afro".....Either way, outside of this site DWF's will most certainly see him as white

Yeah Ashtyn Davis will be considered white because the casual NFL fans won’t dig into their background like we do here. They just go with what their eyes see. Personally I root for him because he fits the mold for me and he was also a walk on with a great story. I try not to push him here though because I know not everyone feels the same way. Best comparison for him is his former teammate Vic Wharton or NFL safety Erik Harris.

 

[Truthteller]

Leonardfan, as I noted before 60 (whites drafted) seems to be "pipe-dream" right now and 70 to 75 is as distant a memory as the corrupt Clinton Administration. Again, I'm afraid the "new normal" might be around 51 (or less 46 to 49), minus P's,K's and Snappers? Reality is, without the Caste system, the number of whites should be at least 100! Not joking at all. 100 whites would only be about 39 percent of total players picked, which is still too low. Let's not forget, blacks still only make up about 13% of U.S. population and there is a ton of dysfunction (drugs, crime, obesity, lack of focus, ect.) among blacks, particularly young blacks. One would think that would thin out the recruiting/draft pool, but never does?

Leo, you make great points about the abnormal situation this spring due to the Wuhan/Gates Virus gripping us, unfortunately. I think, also, you are spot on regarding the Senior Bowl (Rodent Nagy 2.0) and Combine, being a good way to "filter out" talented whites in favor of totally unknown blacks from small schools. Think about Tanner Muse, for example: Great physical numbers and a stellar career at a national power, yet it's assumed he's vastly inferior to players from Southern Illinois and Lenior-Ryne (sp?) because Rodent Nagy 2.0 selected those players to the Senior Bowl over him? Throw in the fact that every DWF mock draft has the pair light-years ahead of Tanner in their odious mocks, and it seems there's an entrenched feeling that he's vastly inferior to the black small-schoolers?

But what is this based on, when you really think about it? A Senior Bowl snub by some ex-NFL water-boy who worked his way up the NFL's Caste ladder in scouting? Mock drafts by dozens and dozens of morons (ESPN, CBS, USA Today, ect.) who know nothing? Except for your occasional Mike Mayock or Gil Brandt type, who actually actually has decent credentials to scout these players? I'm hoping, like Troy Apke, and to a lesser extent Chris Prosinski and Matt Johnson (Cowboys), Tanner is selected by the 4th round. Perhaps he'll go even higher? All it takes is one of fair-minded team to make the right move?


Red Raider, I know Wharton looked white, but wasn't he the son of a dark-skinned black man that was a star at Tennessee? Erik Harris, first time I saw him at CFL.ca, he absolutely looked mixed. I'm not sure, looking at the one picture you posted of both parents, Davis seems white. Davis Sr. looks like current Major League skipper (Anaheim) Joe Maddon. I'll take your word for it. This is very similar to Ty Jerome of the Phoenix Suns, who most fans/DWF's think is is white, but a lot of CF posters see as mixed?

Extra Point, thanks for catching my error early. You are correct, Evan Weaver from Cal is white. I hastily saw the other Weaver and didn't even think about him being someone else.

 

[Don Wassall]

Yeah Ashtyn Davis will be considered white because the casual NFL fans won’t dig into their background like we do here. They just go with what their eyes see. Personally I root for him because he fits the mold for me and he was also a walk on with a great story. I try not to push him here though because I know not everyone feels the same way. Best comparison for him is his former teammate Vic Wharton or NFL safety Erik Harris.

Considering that both parents are White, he was a walk-on and played safety instead of cornerback despite being a sprint champion, I mean it reads like the typical story of so many talented White football players. It's possible he's mixed and was adopted but until definitively shown otherwise, we should consider him as one of ours.

 

[Red Raider]

Leonardfan, as I noted before 60 (whites drafted) seems to be "pipe-dream" right now and 70 to 75 is as distant a memory as the corrupt Clinton Administration. Again, I'm afraid the "new normal" might be around 51 (or less 46 to 49), minus P's,K's and Snappers? Reality is, without the Caste system, the number of whites should be at least 100! Not joking at all. 100 whites would only be about 39 percent of total players picked, which is still too low. Let's not forget, blacks still only make up about 13% of U.S. population and there is a ton of dysfunction (drugs, crime, obesity, lack of focus, ect.) among blacks, particularly young blacks. One would think that would thin out the recruiting/draft pool, but never does?

Leo, you make great points about the abnormal situation this spring due to the Wuhan/Gates Virus gripping us, unfortunately. I think, also, you are spot on regarding the Senior Bowl (Rodent Nagy 2.0) and Combine, being a good way to "filter out" talented whites in favor of totally unknown blacks from small schools. Think about Tanner Muse, for example: Great physical numbers and a stellar career at a national power, yet it's assumed he's vastly inferior to players from Southern Illinois and Lenior-Ryne (sp?) because Rodent Nagy 2.0 selected those players to the Senior Bowl over him? Throw in the fact that every DWF mock draft has the pair light-years ahead of Tanner in their odious mocks, and it seems there's an entrenched feeling that he's vastly inferior to the black small-schoolers?

But what is this based on, when you really think about it? A Senior Bowl snub by some ex-NFL water-boy who worked his way up the NFL's Caste ladder in scouting? Mock drafts by dozens and dozens of morons (ESPN, CBS, USA Today, ect.) who know nothing? Except for your occasional Mike Mayock or Gil Brandt type, who actually actually has decent credentials to scout these players? I'm hoping, like Troy Apke, and to a lesser extent Chris Prosinski and Matt Johnson (Cowboys), Tanner is selected by the 4th round. Perhaps he'll go even higher? All it takes is one of fair-minded team to make the right move?


Red Raider, I know Wharton looked white, but wasn't he the son of a dark-skinned black man that was a star at Tennessee? Erik Harris, first time I saw him at CFL.ca, he absolutely looked mixed. I'm not sure, looking at the one picture you posted of both parents, Davis seems white. Davis Sr. looks like current Major League skipper (Anaheim) Joe Maddon. I'll take your word for it. This is very similar to Ty Jerome of the Phoenix Suns, who most fans/DWF's think is is white, but a lot of CF posters see as mixed?

Extra Point, thanks for catching my error early. You are correct, Evan Weaver from Cal is white. I hastily saw the other Weaver and didn't even think about him being someone else.

Yes you’re spot on about Wharton and Harris, I was just meaning as far as looks go. They are all kind of in that same boat referring to their appearance.

 

[Shadowlight]

I had my suspicions from the beginning. Everyone needs to ask themselves this question. Why isn't Shadow talking Davis up? Hell a "white" track athlete in the 100MH and a high draft pick safety. I would be on that like a fly at a picnic. Ha.

Davis joins a line of guys like Ty Jerome (who I figured out was mixed here), Vic Wharton, who looks even whiter than Davis, Devon Allen, Payton Pritchard, part Asian and even say Jacoby Ellsbury who has a lot of American Indian blood.

Even without looking at him think of this. How many Power 5 white football starters are also running short distant events on the track team? Dan Chisena ran track but never at the same time he was a member of the football team.

If you follow the 2018 thread where that picture of Ashtyn and his "parents" appears I thought to myself the man looks too old to be his father. My guess is he is his grandfather on his mother's side. The very next post I posted a picture of what must be his father and his sister. I can't retrieve that picture but it is available in that 2018 thread. That picture is a dead give away.

In the meantime I will post another picture. My radar detector has really gotten fine tuned over the years. Just call me a party pooper. Or Sherlock. Ashtyn's father is standing next to him on the right. This picture isn't as clear as the other one but his dad Sean has some, perhaps not a lot, of black blood.

 

[Don Wassall]

Below is a larger picture of the Davis family shown in Shadow's post. The man who may be his father isn't clearly black, he could be hispanic or even an olive-skinned Mediterranean (there are lots of people with Spanish background in California). Certainly the other siblings shown look unquestionably to be of the lunchpail, high motor race. Erik Harris is clearly mixed, Ashyton maybe but not definitely. At any rate he'll look White or Whitish to DWF Nation and I'll root for him like I do to an extent for Taylor Rapp and did for players like Kevin Kaesviharn who don't have the cookie cutter Caste look or background.

 

[Shadowlight]

Took some digging but I found the picture that is more illuminating. As always members can root for whoever they please. And come to their own conclusions regarding a player's racial make up. I am a puritanical pill when it comes to this subject so I made up my mind on Davis back in 2018. Keep in mind I am among the most liberal when it comes to white players. As long as they are white I stop there. I could care less who they are married to, their political stripe or the music they listen to etc. Players like Jason Williams and Travis Kelce rub some here the wrong way and that is fine too. Just being honest. Me, I was/am a huge fan of both of those dynamic players. I think the girl with Ashtyn's dad Lexi is Ashtyn's only sibling.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BonAtctlaW0/

 

[Don Wassall]

Took some digging but I found the picture that is more illuminating. As always members can root for whoever they please. And come to their own conclusions regarding a player's racial make up. I am a puritanical pill when it comes to this subject so I made up my mind on Davis back in 2018. Keep in mind I am among the most liberal when it comes to white players. As long as they are white I stop there. I could care less who they are married to, their political stripe or the music they listen to etc. Players like Jason Williams and Travis Kelce rub some here the wrong way and that is fine too. Just being honest. Me, I was/am a huge fan of both of those dynamic players. I think the girl with Ashtyn's dad Lexi is Ashtyn's only sibling.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BonAtctlaW0/

Good sleuthing, looks like you cracked the case!

 

[Leonardfan]

Good sleuthing, looks like you cracked the case!

To be fair Red Raider mentioned the racial makeup of Ashtyn Davis back in the Cal Bears write up. Shadowlight with the photo evidence does help seal the deal though!

 

[Booth]

I just wanted to throw this out there for another possibly. Mr. Davis could be Native American. I live in eastern N.C.and there are two major tribes of Indians. Mr. Davis could fit into either tribe very well. Kelvin Sampson, the head basketball coach at the University of Houston is from my hometown. Look at his picture and you can see the same dark features and hair type. John Chavis, defensive coordinator for Arkansas use to have the same appearance but over the years he has changed his looks a little bit.