2019 NFL Draft

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  1. backrow

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    True, although Archuleta ran himself into the top 20 way back when, with Rams. Apke was indeed the best pure athlete in last year's draft. He probably would at most be UDFA if it wasn't for his measureables.
     
  2. Truthteller

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    Small, skinny ultra-fast white wide receivers need not apply in the NFL. Might be a waste of time thinking that will ever change, regardless of talent level. If a short white is going to make it in the NFL, he better weigh close to 190 pounds these days and have a rock solid build, ala Danny Woodhead, who was listed at over 200 pounds. Tim Dwight and Jim Leonhard are among the small group of real small whites (height and weight) I can remember having long, accomplished NFL careers since the 90's. Tim was listed at 180 and Jim was listed at about 190 pounds. Jim wasn't real fast, but he was a first team All-American candidate at a big time school - Wisconsin.

    I remember the 1999 Jets signed a real speedster from Delaware who broke Jerry Rice's collegiate record for most yards in a season, along with 42 other marks. At the time, the Jets had little to no wide receiver depth and it seemed likely Eddie Conti (listed at 5'8" and 175 pounds) would join Wayne Chrebet on the Jets roster. Conti, per my memory, was much faster than Chrebet, but never even spent a day on a NFL practice squad.

    Then it "happened", legendary caste-cuck Bill Parcells "spilled the beans". When asked about Conti he lauded his speed, toughness and skill....but did tell the media something like this: I like him as a player, but I'm reluctant to put him out there because I'm scared he'll get hurt. Yes, Parcells did say he was scared he'd get hurt! Right there is your answer why light-weight whites are being ignored. Caste coaches do not believe they are durable enough -- at least that's the excuse. I doubt we'll ever see a white Tavon Austin. Obviously, there is a much different standard for small blacks.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/23/sports/pro-football-can-rookie-catch-it-catch-on.html
     
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  3. Red raider

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    My sleeper prospect is overlooked Miami (OH) linebacker Brad Koenig who put up massive numbers during his 4 years
    300 tackles
    35 TFL
    12 sacks
    4 INT
    13 pass deflections
    7 forced fumbles
    4 fumble recoveries
    How is he not on NFL radars?? Oh wait.
     
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  4. Bucky

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    Nice find.

    Peyton Pelleuer is another tackling machine from Wazzou with similar production to Koenig! Also being ignored by NFL. If only we could narrow down the reasons for lack of interest..
     
  5. Red raider

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    Yes I've always liked Pelluer! I didn't realize how much of a stat monster he was until you mentioned it and I took a look. I hope 3 the white LB's from the Washington schools all get drafted, Tevis Bartlett has been overlooked for the most part as well.
     
  6. La France Blanche

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    The "mainstream" draft sites are predicting only 5-6 white players taken in the first round. Hopefully they're wrong but we all know that the "deciders" have the same kind of Caste thinking as the DWF websites.
     
  7. Bucky

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    Yeah they've done their best to promote a couple of lard ass no name sumos as 1st Rd picks. Not to mention about 5 or so affletic DBs will be picked.
     
  8. Don Wassall

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    All the speculation in Steelers Nation is that the team needs to draft linebackers and defensive backs in the early rounds. Which is what they've been doing every year for a while now and just about all of them have been busts except for T. J. Watt and Ryan Shazier (who was regularly injured before his very serious neck injury). God forbid they try something different.
     
  9. Leonardfan

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    The initial analysis from the "experts" is that after the top three ranked LBs (all black of course) there is a huge drop off in talent. LB looks to have a decent number of good white prospects available so this year it looks as if that will be the position they attack to make sure the least number of white LBs get drafted. I have already seen both Cameron Smith and Joe Dineen described as either a "throwback" or a "football player". The excuse being used is how the passing game has taken over the league and passed by some of the more "limited athletically" LBs. A few years ago the Falcons were touted as having the new prototypical linebacker corp - ridding themselves of Paul Worrilow and going with a bunch of undersized/mediocre LBs. Since their one Super Bowl appearance a couple of years back they have become one of the worst defenses in the league. Every single LB I listed in my position rankings is more than capable of playing at the next level.

    Also, in a bit of potentially positive news the magical new prototype QB Kyler Murray may supposedly be using the NFL as leverage for the MLB. His father is supposedly his agent and their have been comparisons to the bozo Lavar Ball. We will see what team is foolish enough to draft Murray and invite that sideshow into the organization. The typical draft cucks are stating that NFL teams are building a positive buzz around Murray - again not sure how a sub 5'10" QB that will not check off any of the supposed pre-requisites for QBs can be viewed as a 1st rounder but the media hype machine is going to cause a team to mortgage the next 3-4 years trying to convince themselves he is a franchise QB (just like the Ravens).
     
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  10. Red raider

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    One LB who has been overlooked in the draft process is Ohio LB Evan Croutch. He was 2nd Team All-MAC, he put up good numbers in 2017 and 2018. He ended 2018 with 86 tackles, 14 TFL, 5.5 sacks, and 2 INT.
     
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    Peter King said today on Cowherd show that don't be surprised if Pats use a second round pick to select Kyler Murray as their QB of the future.
     
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    As a longtime Patriots fan I’d be so disappointed if they picked Kyler Murray. I wouldn’t mind them having Dwayne Haskins but he won’t be around when the Patriots pick. They would be better off snagging Daniel Jones if he falls.
     
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    Sure, just like they were going to take Lamar Jackson last year. It ain't happening. It's a black supremacist fantasy.
     
  14. Shadowlight

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    Didn't know whether to post this in the combine thread or here. Just point me in the right direction going forward.

    BIG NEWS.

    I was not anticipating the combine invite list yet but it just got released.

    Mainly good news!!! I won't go into details I am sure many here will have much to say.

    First the horrific news. Only one DB (Wingard) and zero running backs. Terrible job just terrible.

    Good news. Plenty of linebackers and tight ends. And edge players including Sutton Smith.

    And four wide receivers which means Cody Thompson made the cut. I guess this is a wash. Was hoping for at least one or two more but then again I am happy Cody made it. And once again they want to stack the list with non football player type black track athletes types.

    Sickening.

    All in all I have seen worse. Both Taysom Hill types Trace McSorley and Nick Fitzgerald were invited. Very pleased with that.
     
  15. Extra Point

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    You can post it here and in the combine thread.
     
  16. Jimmy Chitwood

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    unlike what many “experts” are saying, i don’t think an Edelman-Isabella “similarity “ is accurate at all. i think a better comparison of physical tools with similar size and receiving skill is between Andy Isabella and Brandin Cooks. we’ll see if Isabella has a similar rise and high draft position (#8 overall?) after he runs his projected blazing 40. if not, the caste bias against the melanin-deficicient will be made readily apparent once again.
     
  17. Leonardfan

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    More of the same when looking at the Combine Invite list. As I have said for the past few years the Combine is the last chance before the draft to eliminate 95% of eligible white players from getting any sort of chance to be recognized on such a big stage.

    Chris Johnson from North Alabama was a pretty big snub - a tall, rangy athletic safety who probably could play CB should of been a shoe-in. Gervase and Snyder both should of garnered invites as well. Hopefully they all perform well at the Pro Days.

    There are a decent (relatively speaking) number of our guys on the front 7 that were invited. I am hoping that Burr-Kirven and Hansen are going to be viewed/drafted as DBs.

    Laird, Oulette and McPherson all were worthy of invites but even with McCaffery becoming a dominant force it is obvious that no other whites are being welcomed to the NFL as RBs.

    The caste system continues to chip away at the OL as well - It looks like only 21 white OL have been invited.

    TE is probably the only position that is going to be worth comparing white/black athletes because almost an equal sample size of each will be represented. There are a ton of very good TEs in this year's draft. I think Sternberger and Knox will have big combine workouts.
     
  18. Don Wassall

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    The NFL is so easy to predict.
     
  19. La France Blanche

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    Will the Cardinals, who hold the #1 pick in the draft, take Nick Bosa? I'm actually hoping not, since Arizona is ultra dark. White players, especially at Caste-verboten positions, benefit greatly from a white support network in the locker room. I hope Bosa goes to the first relatively white-friendly team to make their pick.
     
  20. Truthteller

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    Perhaps the signing of Brooks Reed and several other "fringe linebackers" over the last six months is a signal that Arizona will no longer discriminate based on race as much as they have? Wouldn't it be great if they went for the best players available at all positions, regardless of race? Hasn't really happened -- with rare exceptions during the 90's (i.e. Ricky Proehl, Pat Tillman) -- since the franchise left Missouri. And the few times in 30 years they've been really good is when they had a white MVP caliber quarterback throwing to Hall of Famer Larry Fitzgerald.

    Perhaps, after 3o years of fielding nearly all-black teams, the locker room has become toxic beyond repair and "non-black fans" in Arizona have become tired of the antics and thuggery, not to mention constant losing -- hence all the empty seats. I believe blacks make up less than 4% of the population in Arizona, so what's the benefit of fielding mediocre or terrible, all-black teams every year? Is suppose one can ask the same question regarding the Phoenix Suns?

    Also, I'd assume their 2018 first round pick from UCLA, quarterback Abner Rosenstein (The White Shadow reference)**, would benefit from having some whites in the locker room, which is quite ironic? While he's a 100% outspoken Jewish, Social Justice Warrior on the surface, if you dig deeper at UCLA he was seemingly despised by his black teammates in college and found refuge hanging out with a small group of mostly white, walk-on types. Think the blacks in Arizona like him better than the blacks at UCLA?

    The signing of Brooks Reed and other recent moves are fascinating. Arizona's owners (Bidwell family) are as conservative as any group of NFL owners, yet for three decades the Card's have had some of the darkest teams in the league? Over the last ten years, white players at Caste positions have been extremely rare on the Cardinals -- even more rare than they were during the dark 1990's and 2000's. Since 2009, undrafted Josh Mauro was pretty much the only white defender on the Cards, excluding two or three Scooby Wright types that where promoted from practice squads for only a few games.

    Yet, in addition to signing Brooks Reed yesterday, earlier this week they also claimed white linebacker Tanner Vallejo off waivers from Cleveland. Last season they claimed white linebacker Joe Walker off waivers from Philadelphia and kept him on the 53 man roster all season. They also kept a white, undrafted linebacker from Sioux Falls on their roster all season. Is this a sign that the Cardinals no longer want to discriminate against athletes based on skin color as much as they have or are these just "fringe types" that will be cleansed after the pre-season? I'd assume Brooks Reed is no "lock" to make the roster?

    We'll see as the Cards have the #1 overall pick and could select Bosa....It will also be fascinating to see if they add or draft other notable whites this spring? If they do, it might be a sign that they desperately need some "lunch-pail"/"high character" types to change the losing culture.

    Personally, I've become so use to writing Arizona off as "unwatchable" that I hope they do not draft any whites in the draft. Instead, I'm hoping they draft a black quarterback #1 overall (Ohio State) and relegate Abner to the bench. Reality is, Abner showed nothing last season and he's lucky most black DB's have terrible hands, as his interception could've been much higher.



    ** http://kaplanskorner.com/2017/01/03/white-shadow-one-jew-stereotype/
     
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  21. Don Wassall

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    I don't see Reed, Walker and Vallejo being other than deep backups at best, wouldn't be surprising if none are on the opening day 2019 roster. With only 21.5 career sacks and not much in the tackle department, Reed has been disappointing as a former second round draft choice. And if the Cardinals "no longer want to discriminate against athletes based on skin color" they'll be the first NFL team to do so in at least 35 years.

    Truthteller, I've never read anything regarding the political beliefs and activities of the Bidwell family. How are they as conservative as any group of NFL owners, though of course establishment "conservatives" are just as pro-Caste as everyone else when it comes to the NFL?
     
  22. sport historian

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    When the Cardinals were in St. Louis I listened to the KMOX radio sports talk show. Bill Bidwell was the owner. His reputation was for not paying well, there was even a SI story on the subject in 1978. Research indicated the Cardinals payed better than the Cowboys. Contrary to their image as THE team to play on, the 70's Cowboys had one of the lowest payrolls at the time.

    Also, the 60's era St. Louis football Cardinals were reputed to be loaded with "white racists," as detailed in a 1968 SI piece. I've always thought the Cardinals have tried ever since to compensate by loading up with black players.

    I've never heard of the Bidwells being "conservative." They likely were Big Business Republican types at most and have done their share of virtue signaling.
     
  23. Don Wassall

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    I remember reading that SI article at a young age, it always stuck in my mind. The Cardinals had one play on offense that in the huddle was nicknamed "n****** go deep." Maybe it was Charley Johnson who was calling it back then.

    I did a little research on the Bidwells and SH you pretty much nailed it, they're typical "play both sides while standing for nothing" ruling class businessmen: "Political Donations: Per FEC filings dating back to 1997, Bill Bidwill has donated tens of thousands to the Republican National Committee, and contributed to the presidential campaigns of both Mitt Romney and John McCain. On the state level, while Bidwill has primarily donated to Republican candidates, he also has donated to the Arizona Democratic Party and several Democratic candidates for office, including Gabrielle Giffords."
     
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  24. Truthteller

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    Obviously, the Caste system has been around for a long time. I realize that well after posting on this site for nearly ten years. I guess I meant the Cardinals' discrimination against whites seems to be more egregious and more sustained than other teams -- and I don't think it's even close the last 30 years? Perhaps Miami and Seattle could rival them over the years a bit, but the Card's have to be the worst? Even the usually Caste Rams had some fairy white friendly teams (Martz era; brief Spagnoulo period) after being basically all black for long stretches (early to mid 1990's; Jeff Fisher era, ect.). No one was blacker than the (Denny Green/Mike Tice) Vikings from the early 1990's to about 2009, but they have been much less Caste the last decade.

    Perhaps Sports Historian hit on a potential reason with the '68 SI article. But having researched the 1970's for this site quite a bit, it seems to me the St. Louis Cardinals were still fairly white friendly going into the 1980's. 70's teams including many white stars at Caste positions, including Roger Wehrli, Jim Otis, Pat Tilley and a lot of white starters on defense throughout the '70's. Things, however, really got dark quickly when they moved to Phoenix in the latter part of the 1980's, and into the 1990's (which I best remember following).

    As I mentioned with Brooks Reed, I realize none of those "fringe linebackers" are locks to make the team. And if they do, they are likely just special teams mascots. So, again, are these signings the beginning of a trend (where Cardinals are not discriminating as blatantly) or will it be Caste business as usual in Arizona going forward?


    Don, I believe I've read that the family is reputed to be "conservative", particularly the second son, who reportedly wanted "RiNO" Senator Jeff Flake ousted from office because he was too liberal. It's hard to find articles on the Flake situation, but from what I've seen (cable TV), heard (radio) and read (Net) over the years, Card's current President Michael Bidwill felt that Arizona's political leader's were lurching too far to the left in recent years. I did find this article which notes he was hoping to be appointed to the U.S. Senate, plus some more info on him. Now, is he really "conservative" or just another Chamber of Commerce RINO like the others, who knows?

    https://ballotpedia.org/Michael_Bidwill
    https://www.abc15.com/sports/sports...chael-bidwill-among-options-to-replace-mccain
     
  25. Don Wassall

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    Truthteller, I'm not impugning your knowledge, believe me. You amaze me with some of the White players from the past 25 years or so you mention that I had otherwise completely forgotten. Your comparison of the 1989 NFL Draft compared to the 1990 Draft (and really every draft since) has always been something that strongly impressed me and should be somewhere easily accessible for newbies and lurkers on this site.

    I get a little irked at times when I read certain phrases. One that stands out is that certain NFL teams are "White friendly" (not something you wrote, speaking generally). No, there are no White friendly teams, only relatively White friendly teams compared to the anti-White norm. Big difference. In fact, there is nothing in this virulently anti-White society that is "White friendly," especially the NFL and "big-time" college football. Anything that looks that way is in spite of the best efforts of our overseers, not because it was a desired result.

    I agree that the Arizona Cardinals are the most reliably Caste team, year after year, decade after decade. I remember watching them during the pathetic Buddy Ryan era in the 1990s, when Dave Krieg, Ricky Proehl and the center position were the only Whites to be found, though they did have safety Terry Hoage for a while also. But the all-black defense, all-black or nearly all-black offensive line, just the open nature of what the pig Buddy Ryan was doing, it was so in your face back then. Things were so barren in the '90s and I rooted so hard for Proehl to eclipse 1,000 yards, but it was never to be in spite of how good he was. The Cardinals with their usually all-black defense and at most one White guy on the o-line have been as predictable as the sunrise. As far as the Bidwells, their "conservatism" should be a wake-up call to all aware Whites that "conservatives" and RINOs are their implacable enemies, and RINOs make up a substantial majority of elected Republicans around the country.
     
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