Lockout begins. Implications for caste syst.?

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Now that the NFL lockout is a reality, can we speculate as it unfolds on how its length, outcome, etc. may or may not affect the prospects for caste busting? (I probably didn't phrase that right...)

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Hopefully things can be resolved and a full 16 game season happens...but it wouldn't suprise me to seethem finally come to terms around 9-11...have 1 pre-season game in late September and only a 12 game season
 

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Curious that 7 of the 10 plaintiffs in the anti-trust suit filed by the players against the owners are White -- Peyton Manning, Brees, Brady, Vrabel, Leber, Brian Robison, and Logan Mankins. Just three blacks, one of whom is Texas A&M LB Von Miller, who hasn't even been drafted yet.
 

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Call me a conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing has the stench of a "planned crisis".
Considering Demaurice Smith is a close personal friend of Eric Holder (and, therefore, Obama), it wouldn't surprise me if the decertification and lawsuit were engineered according to a script in order to attempt the government takeover of the NFL. You know, just for a time, because it's "too big to fail". And after Obama generously steps in to take control for a short time, he withdraws the claws of the government and leaves the league in the capable hands of the Players' Union. Gee, this all sounds so familiar...
 

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At this point, anything could happen. I don't want to speculate on it too much, but it is hard to be hopeful that things will change for the better for White athletes.
 

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I know it was 87', but when the last strike/lock out occurred it seemed to benefit White players who seemed to be more of the strike breakers. I recall a bunch of guys in the speed positions as receivers and tailbacks. Also some stars who wanted to play crossed the line too. Largent had a huge game for Seattle during the strike. I remember Irv Cross and Musberger laughing and saying Largent was virtually unstoppable during the regular games so he was unstoppable by the strike breakers.
 

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white is right said:
I know it was 87', but when the last strike/lock out occurred it seemed to benefit White players who seemed to be more of the strike breakers. I recall a bunch of guys in the speed positions as receivers and tailbacks.

It would nother me a bit to see a league of replacement players.The game could not possibly be that much worse, could it?

And yes, there would probably be a huge increase in White players.

Besides, I have no sympathy for the Jamarcus Russels and Albert Haynesworths who think they are plantation slaves.

Brady, Manning and Brees aren't exactly living on food stamps either.

I would trade places with them in a heart beat if I could at 1/10 of their salaries.

I can't imagine how much Peyton makes on endorsements alone.
 

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During the 87 season, I remember this incredible white tailback named Joe Dudak, he tore it up during the lockout games. Once the strike was settled he disappeared.

I could care less if the season is lost, mainly for all of the diapered affelets losing their huge paychecks. Screw them. I can't wait when they start feeling the pressure of not getting paid, then scream racism, for not paying an affelet. F them.

I side with the owners. These players get paid very well. Why should the owners share the 9 billion in profits on a equal basis with the employees. Worse comes to worse, start paying non union players. After a while, the affelets will realize how stupid and wrongly entitled they have been. Bring it on.
 

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The only consequence of a lost NFL season, is the rampage and subsequent crime wave waged by these criminal affelets. Hope most get caught and locked up for years.
 
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The players won't strike. If they do, how are the black players going to keep up their child support payments?
 

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The union will cave in similar to they did in 87'. The nature of the ruggedness of football, plus the stupidity of the average player, they can't hold out for long. I recall hearing a story from a player saying guys were already asking teammates for 100K unsecured loans.......
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Any of the prudent teammates must know the battle is already lost before the war started.....
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Adraian Peterson has it so bad.We be slaves! The players are getting robbed!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Adrian-Peterson-expresses-frustration-on-labor-i;_ylt=AjpsPL8OV0fvTLVkxfGTdk5DubYF?urn=nfl-wp206

No matter what NFL players may be doing in the offseason, the ongoing labor negotiations are never far from their minds. Even stars like Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson have strong feelings on the issues being debated by NFL players and team owners, who are fighting over how to divide the league's estimated $9.3 billion in revenue.

Speaking just minutes after the owners locked out the players, Peterson compared the players' place in the game to "modern-day slavery," a statement that, while ill-advised, was made in the context of how the players feel they're being treated in these talks. (Note: Based on the context in which the comments were made, I do not believe that Peterson was actually equating his current position in the NFL with any kind of slavery. I will update this piece if he clarifies his statement.) What follows is our full interview.

See the controversial quote in its entirety here.

SC: We're talking about 15 minutes after the NFLPA sent in the paperwork to decertify, so the lockout's on everybody's minds. I've talked to a lot of players about this recently, and I always ask the same question â€" what is the message you want to get out to the people who love the game and are tired of hearing all the labor talk?

AP: We're business-minded, also. It's not just fun and games. A lot of football players, whether it's Sunday or Monday night â€" we're out there on the field, competing, hitting each other. But people don't see everything else behind it. It's a job for us, too â€" every day of the week. We're in different states, sometimes thousands of miles away from our families and kids, and a lot of people don't look at it like that. All some people see is, 'Oh, we're not going to be around football.' But how the players look at it "¦ the players are getting robbed. They are. The owners are making so much money off of us to begin with. I don't know that I want to quote myself on that"¦

SC: It's nothing that I haven't heard from other players, believe me.

AP: It's modern-day slavery, you know? People kind of laugh at that, but there are people working at regular jobs who get treated the same way, too. With all the money "¦ the owners are trying to get a different percentage, and bring in more money. I understand that; these are business-minded people. Of course this is what they are going to want to do. I understand that; it's how they got to where they are now. But as players, we have to stand our ground and say, 'Hey â€" without us, there's no football.' There are so many different perspectives from different players, and obviously we're not all on the same page â€" I don't know. I don't really see this going to where we'll be without football for a long time; there's too much money lost for the owners. Eventually, I feel that we'll get something done.
 

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Thanks AP, that didn't take long to imply racism and slavery BS. Continue with your pea minded nonsense. I hope the owners break this affelet dominated union. Bring on the scabs, you know, players who "wants to get paid."

Believe me, once the season or preseason starts, and affelets such as AP aren't recieving those huge checks, the notion or idea of slavery will vanish with each passing week. These dummies forget about most Americans are struggling. Should be entertaining watching these ingrates scramble back and some cross the picket lines.

AP, listen dufus, most if not all owners have other avenues of cash flow. Most have a team as most people have a hobby. They can subsist without it. God, I can't wait for these ingrates to get on all four again in 2011.
 

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Any player with a big mortgage and no savings or income coming in better do some stretching in early July, because he will be crossing the picket line. The union will be busted similar to unions that have formed at Mcdonalds and other low end corporate store. So many players are in and out of the league the loyalty to the union is minimal at best.
 

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Good thread people, so far.

Someone mentioned Joe Dudek. I remember in 1985 when Dudek was a sr. at Plymouth State in NH and he was the subject of a cover story in SI entitled, "What the Heck, Why Not Dudek?", suggesting him as a Heisman candidate alongside IA's Chuck Long, Auburn's Bo Jackson (the eventual '85 Heisman winner), etc.

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another idiot: Reshard Mendenhall agrees with AP saying "Anyone with knowledege of the slave trade and the NFL could say that these two parallel eachother" Meanwhile Ryan Grant who was an UDFA called him out and said : "Their is
unfortunately actually still slavery existing in our world.. Literal
modern day slavery.. That was a very misinformed statement", Heath Evans said it was a blessing just to strap on a helmet and play. Mendenhall and Peterson were highly recruited, drafted in the first round and given tons of money. If they didn't perform they still get to keep the original money they made when first signed, like Jamarcus Russell. It must be hard for those guys......I mean, Jamarcus didn't do any work and is called names on internet message boards! I am guessing he is a slave because he didn't know how to save his millions of dollars.</span></span>
 

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The idea that playing in the NFL is similar to slavery is so laughable I shouldn't bother responding
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Differences between NFL and slavery


  1. <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Players are desperate to play in the NFL. They enter the draft voluntarily, hire agents, &amp; sign contacts of their own free will.</LI>
    <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Contracts are for a fixed term â€" not for life.</LI>
    <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">When your contract is up you can leave.</LI>
    <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">You can retire. You can hang up your pads and walk out.</LI>
    <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">You can vote</LI>
    <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">You can go on strike </LI>
    <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">You get holidays (vacations)</LI>
    <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">You can go home or wherever you want when not working</LI>
    <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">You get paid â€" a lot.</LI>
    <LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">You can take on additional outside paid work</LI>
 

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Never heard of Joe Dudak - so just looked him up.
What I discovered has a depressingly famillair ring to it

"BOSTON â€" It was midnight when Joe Dudek finally gave up and went to bed. Flowers, balloons and high hopes had filled his parents' home in suburban Quincy. Relatives and friends had come for a celebration. In the end, they were there for consolation.



"I had the champagne waiting and never got a chance to open it up," Dudek said. "It hurt."


Only two players in college football history--Tony Dorsett and Charles White--have run for more than Dudek's 5,570 yards. No player has scored more than his 79 touchdowns. But Tuesday, the day the small-college back would make it big, not a single NFL team wanted him.



"I thought I'd get drafted in the middle rounds," he said. "It was really bad."


For his four years at Plymouth (N.H.) State, Dudek was just a Division III running back whose fame didn't spread much beyond the state's borders. Then he was discovered. Sports Illustrated put him on the cover last December and touted him for the Heisman Trophy. He even finished ninth in the voting.


"I loved it," Dudek said. "It put me on a high I've never had. Now, I'm as low as I can get."


Scouts were skeptical of his speed, size, strength and lack of collegiate competition. He hadn't caught many passes or blocked very much. Yet, he had produced, and they predicted he would be drafted between the fourth and 10th rounds."
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-05-01/sports/sp-2776_1_joe-dudek
 

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If "gAy-P" didn't have his God given (yet overrated) talent he'd be a whopper flopper at Burger King (at best) or in the slammer for sellin' crackrock. I'm actually glad he opened his yap on this...maybe some DWFs may have a chance of awakening & re-attaching their nards (IF they ever had any to begin with).

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Yes many dwfs have turned against Peterson for his comments. Unfortunately some still think its accurate because the league is mostly black and the owners "rich white guys", even though about half of them are actually jewish. Apparently if you are black, and your boss is white, you are a slave, no matter how much you make. As for the white people under the same system? I guess they haven't thought that one through.
 

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snow said:
Yes many dwfs have turned against Peterson for his comments. Unfortunately some still think its accurate because the league is mostly black and the owners "rich white guys", even though about half of them are actually jewish. Apparently if you are black, and your boss is white, you are a slave, no matter how much you make. As for the white people under the same system? I guess they haven't thought that one through.

What the league needs to do is make sure all the owners are black. That should fix the problem!
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The lockout, I predict, will either have a neutral effect (probable) or aid white players a bit (possible). If enough black players keep complaining about earning millions and more high black draft picks who don't work hard enough like Jamarcus, and Vernon Gholston flop it could benefit white players who are extremely grateful to play for the league minimum. Hell, they know it's better money than 99% of Americans are making in a year. If salaries and the salary cap are cut- owners aren't going to want to deal with contract holdouts and risky big paydays either and might be more likely to give a smaller payday to lock up proven white RBs like Hillis and Woodhead than pay guarenteed multi-millions to a black RB.
 

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Another reason why I favor a lock out if the owner don't get their way, is that HBO is contemplating the Buc as its feature team in its "Hard Knocks" series. I could well do without an entire affeletic team speaking ebonics, jiving on the White players, parading around their white skank girlfriend or wives, every affelet with the obligatory bling, and huge cubic zarconic earrings. Coaches saying the greatest things about its white players during pre season games, then cutting them right before the real season so they can keep some non discript affelet or locker room leader. No, I could do without that torture. I hope the season is doomed just on this malarkey.
 

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Don Wassall said:
Curious that 7 of the 10 plaintiffs in the anti-trust suit filed by the players against the owners are White -- Peyton Manning, Brees, Brady, Vrabel, Leber, Brian Robison, and Logan Mankins.  Just three blacks, one of whom is Texas A&M LB Von Miller, who hasn't even been drafted yet. 

Probably, want to put a White face on the strike,because the public will respond better to White front guys then a bunch of thuggish blacks, and they will have intelligent, articulate front guys with a minimum chance of scandals.
 
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