Is football the worst sport racially?

Is football the worst sport racially?

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maybe/Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    0
Joined
Jun 2, 2007
Messages
121
Location
Outside North America
I think it is. The reason being not sheer numbers and participation percentage compared to total population, but the fact that certain positions are discouraged to certain races, if not forbidden outright. It is the caste sport, and this site is aptly named. It is more of a black/non-black system, but there are some exceptions.

- Quarterbacks, in spite of constant pressure to change it, tend to be white or non-black. This is really a matter of owners choosing between political expediency, and the reality of on-field performance. They can get by where the difference is marginal or even in favor of blacks.

- Kickers and punters are almost always white, and many are from other countries where soccer is popular. Not many give a hoot about this position (cue Adam Sandler's song), so it is likely to be a safe position, due to its lack of "sexiness". Make no mistake, if blacks wanted it, it would probably be another in a long line of position casualties for prospective white players seeking a football career. The position and function, not to mention players themselves, almost seem like they belong in another sport. I often think the only reason they keep them in is to justify the game being called "foot-ball".

- Feature Running backs, outside receivers and Cornerbacks are almost all black. What few white receivers exist in the NFL are slot and tight ends. A few good college RBs get put on the training table to become a more mobile 7th or lineman, otherwise known as "fullback".

- Offensive line is fairly white (with a few Asian, Latino and Polynesian anomalies), but as is often pointed out here, the black sumo movement is strong, especially with the success of the Dallas Cowboy lines of the 90s.

- Pretty much all defensive positions have gone black. Outside linebacker, inside backer, safety and defensive end are the 4 types of position still open to whites, but you have to be really good to get a spot on a team, let alone start. Defensive tackle and some linebacker spots will sometimes have Polynesian players. The only DBs I can think of of that ethnicity is Troy Polamalu and Aaron Francisco (even he looks a little mixed to me - and his surname is definitely Spanish).

Sure in baseball you have a few stereotyped races like the Caribbean shortstop or 2nd baseman, the white farmboy catcher, the fast black centerfielder, the big Afro-Caribbean power hitter, or the big husky white first baseman (preferably with a mustashe) (basically all these position stereotypes are cast into the Major League movies), but I can think of no position in baseball where someone of any participating race hasn't been allowed to play when they were good enough.

Same goes for basketball, boxing, MMA, and practically every other sport where blacks participate in large numbers. Sure basketball is pretty bad as far as a disproportionate amount of blacks, but I think part of this is the popularity of "street ball" in inner cities, and the tendency of the west African race's members to be tall and somewhat slender. But the thing about basketball is, every position on the court has a few instances of white players. No positions are off-limits, though whites may be relegated to certain "roles" sometimes.

Everything short of Olympic-level sprinting is pretty inclusive compared to football. Blacks clearly dominate sprinting events, and few here will argue otherwise. It's just a matter of slight genetic differences that make them a few fractions of a second better at pure sprints. I have no problem with that, though I do wonder what times whites are capable of if their potential was fully tapped into. Most resources in serious sprint countries go into training top black sprinters, while most top white sprinters are in smaller countries like Poland, Ireland, former Soviet countries and so on.

The idea that football is all about sprinting, however, is ludicrous. There has never been a top sprinter to successfully carry over to football. Besides, I think what really hurts football is the mentality of some coaches. In spite of what they may say, they want violent street thugs as gladiators on the "Sunday at the Coliseum", just like Romans wanted slaves and convicts in their gladiator "events". I honestly think that coaches like Jerry Glanville, Jimmy Johnson, and Al Davis, if given two otherwise completely identical players of equal talent - one from the street who has served time, and the other an honor student in high school who chose football over another profession out of the love of the game - these thug lovers would choose player number 1 every time.

Plus the media loves these guys that act like "badasses" on and off the football field. It's not just a black/white thing. Being a BYU fan, I know how differently the media treated brash and rebellious Jim McMahon over the other "Boy Scout" BYU quarterbacks. The mass media is by and large an entertainment business. They will take the easy road to ratings and magazine sales over promoting a clean cut model citizen. That's just "boring".
Edited by: FieldThrower
 

ToughJ.Riggins

Hall of Famer
Joined
Nov 19, 2006
Messages
5,063
Location
Ontario Canada
Good post! There are few Olympic level sprinters to ever play in the NFL. No electronic timed sub 10 man has ever played on an active NFL roster. But you are forgetting WR Bob Hayes who was an elite Olympic sprinter in his day in the 1960s. Hayes had world class speed.

Other more recent skill players like Bo Jackson, Hershal Walker, Jamal Charles and Tim Dwight (white) have world class speed, but still weren't among the fastest 20 men on the planet. Jamal Charles was the fastest out of these guys running a 10.18 while at Texas; still slower than over a dozen white men in history. Hershal Walker, Bo Jackson and Tim Dwight all ran low 10.2s I believe.

If you watched Jacob Hester run the ball at the end of the Bronco-Charger game today you could see this guy has great "football speed". He has a great burst and made some great cutbacks when not much looked to be there. And the guy finishes runs like a beast.

I was very impressed with his ability to make something happen when the Bronco's were pissed knowing they had lost out on the Playoffs and the Chargers were just going to keep running Hester to use up the clock. The guy could be a stud if he was allowed more carries.
 
Joined
Dec 9, 2007
Messages
349
interesting question.
I think that football is probably the worst because white high school football teams dominate. kids grow up playing it and whites have better hand eye coordination and are more likely to be husky (broad and muscular) than any other race. plus the IQ is higher...

i think basketball might be just as bad, because basketball is basically hand eye coordination and hustle. and smarts.
Whites shoot better, pass better. I mean who can hold a candle to Steve Nash, John Stockton, Larry Bird, or Pistol Pete?

White players are better at making free throws and threes. I would say that the average white player has a better shooting form and thus should have a better mid-range shot (which is not based on leg power as is a three pointer or the ability to get your shot off in traffic). the midrange shot deals with good shooting form, good hand eye coordination and the discipline to not try and drive it in over three defenders. the midrange shot is basically a classic set-shot or a rudimentary jump shot.

also, defense is very important. but spacing, hustle, and smarts are more important than sheer athleticism. Rebounding is important but a key thing today is that no one boxes out. if you can box out and you are about the same size as the other guy and you box out and hustle then you can get the rebound. Andris Beidrins is a great rebounder. kevin love is a good rebounder.

Also, height is very important. but i don't see that many true giants in the game. not as many 6' 10 to 7 foot guys as you might expect. I would say most players are between 6 '5 and 6'8 -- which is not freakishly tall. if Manu Ginobili and Rudy Fernandez can play the swing man position which is arguably the most athletic position in basketball, why can't more white players do so?

If the average basketball player is between 6'5 and 6'8 (basically most shooting guards and forwards) and the pure speed guys are shorter than that and the big and powerful pivot guys are taller than that, then what you want is not necessarily freakish speed or brute strength but good shooting range, smarts, great hand eye coordination, good ball handling and passing, hustle, play solid and smart team defense, and the ability to get to the line and make free throws. Those are all attributes that favor white players over black players.
 

DixieDestroyer

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jan 19, 2007
Messages
9,464
Location
Dixieland
It's a toss up between NFL & NBA. NBA has White stars like Dirk & Nash and the NFL has the Mannings, Brady, Urlacher, etc. However, the Caste System is in fullest effect in these two sports.
smiley5.gif
 
Joined
Dec 2, 2008
Messages
34
I'd have to say the NBA is. It's become almost unwatchable at this point anyways, college bball is much more enjoyable to watch people play for pride rather than money.

The NFL is still up there but at least there are still "white" positions and white stars.
 
Joined
Jun 2, 2007
Messages
121
Location
Outside North America
DixieDestroyer said:
It's a toss up between NFL & NBA. NBA has White stars like Dirk & Nash and the NFL has the Mannings, Brady, Urlacher, etc. However, the Caste System is in fullest effect in these two sports.
smiley5.gif

Yes, but at least you can make a pretty good all-star team of the best whites at every position in the NBA. Good luck finding corners and feature running backs in the NFL. There are zero, even on the bench.Edited by: FieldThrower
 

Andrew Lynch

Newbie
Joined
Oct 14, 2008
Messages
45
Without a question the NFL is the most caste-friendly league. I believe the reason the NBA is disproportionately black has much more to do with the popularity of the sport to them than racism. Most NBA teams have a few whites, and in the last ten years, a great push to find European players has increased the amount of whites in the game. Edited by: Andrew Lynch
 

Jack Lambert

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jan 3, 2009
Messages
4,743
NFL easily, at least in the NBA, no position is off limits to whites, unlike in the NFL, where white HBs and Corners are nonexistent.
 

whiteathlete33

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 18, 2007
Messages
12,669
Location
New Jersey
Andrew Lynch said:
Without a question the NFL is the most caste-friendly league. I believe the reason the NBA is disproportionately black has much more to do with the popularity of the sport to them than racism. Most NBA teams have a few whites, and in the last ten years, a great push to find European players has increased the amount of whites in the game.

True there has been an increase in European players but a decline in white american players. It seems like everytime we try to get ahead they find a way to fix us.
 

devans

Mentor
Joined
Jul 7, 2005
Messages
729
Location
Outside North America
Jack Lambert said:
NFL easily, at least in the NBA, no position is off limits to whites, unlike in the NFL, where white HBs and Corners are nonexistent.

I agree.
32 NFL teams. Let's say four corners per team, makes 128 cornerbacks. Then add practice squad members, injured reserve. How many white men?
ZERO.
 

jacknyc

Hall of Famer
Joined
May 14, 2006
Messages
4,194
I agree - it's Football. But I'm not sure why.
Basketball is much more of a black sport; and by that I mean a sport that most blacks love to play and fewer whites like to play.
Football seems to be a sport that both blacks and whites like.
Yet with the introduction of the European players into the NBA, the league has become whiter.
This has something to do with 1/their talent; 2/being allowed to develop in the sport without negative pressure from black players and coaches; and curiously, 3/NBA coaches have accepted them.

In football there are also 1/talented white athletes.
But 2/they get moved out of WR/RB/DB positions during their development by pressure from coached and black athletes; and finally 3/those who stick with it, are still blacklisted from these postions by NFL coaches.

Why are NFL coaches more prejudiced than NBA coaches? It doesn't make sense, given that basketball is almost synomous with black culture.
The only explanation that I can come up with is that a man's talent is more easily exposed in a game of basketball than in football. Everyone in the game gets the chance to have the ball and score or pass or rebound. Their execution of the game more directly affects the score of the game and is more easily measured than in football.
Any other thoughts?
 

white is right

Hall of Famer
Joined
Feb 16, 2006
Messages
10,177
Basketball is an international sport. The best US teams have frequently lost in international tournaments. So coaches know that the talent gap isn't as large as an ignorant fan would think. Football is only played in one other country under different rules. I think if other countries played football at a high level coaches would see that white/foreigners can play these speed positions at a high level. Just look at boxing black heavyweights used to snicker at white heavyweights in the gyms. Now they are the butt of jokes..
smiley36.gif
 

Don Wassall

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Sep 30, 2004
Messages
31,565
Location
Pennsylvania
Two other factors are: 1. football is far and away the most popular sport in the U.S., ournational religion really, so it's vital that football be the centerpiece of the Big Lie; and 2.by having blacks artificially dominate football, the propaganda of the Big Lie is much easier to make believable. When fans think of basketball they think primarily of very tall players who can jump high. But football is a sport that encompassesmost of theimportant aspects of athleticism -- speed, agility, power, strength, endurance, etc., so it only follows that total black dominance of most football positions in spite of how many whites aspire to play it at the highest levels, from small quick receivers and defenders to jumbo-sized linemen on both sides of the ball= black dominance in all athletic endeavors in the public mind.
 
Joined
Jun 2, 2007
Messages
121
Location
Outside North America
Don Wassall said:
Two other factors are: 1. football is far and away the most popular sport in the U.S., our national religion really, so it's vital that football be the centerpiece of the Big Lie; and 2. by having blacks artificially dominate football, the propaganda of the Big Lie is much easier to make believable.  When fans think of basketball they think primarily of very tall players who can jump high.  But football is a sport that encompasses most of the important aspects of athleticism -- speed, agility, power, strength, endurance, etc., so it only follows that total black dominance of most football positions in spite of how many whites aspire to play it at the highest levels, from small quick receivers and defenders to jumbo-sized linemen on both sides of the ball = black dominance in all athletic endeavors in the public mind.<!-- Message ''"" --><!-- Message ''"" -->

That may be true for today, but back in the early 60s when this all started, pro football was a relatively minor sport, and even college football wasn't that big outside of a few major powerhouse schools. Baseball was still called the "National Pastime", while Pro Bowl football players usually were working a spring-summer job, and were B or C-list celebrities at best.

If you ask many non-Americans, they think gridiron football is slow-paced, stops too much, and way too violent (yet at the same time players are all wimps for wearing pads). It truly is a mystery why Americans like it and everyone else thinks it is like paint drying. Then again, I don't find the "international" version of football - soccer - to be very exciting either.
 

j41181

Master
Joined
Nov 23, 2008
Messages
2,344
I personally find American Football more exciting that Soccer, Why?

Soccer is 90 MINUTES of Boredom (to me), you have to be some sort of ZOMBIE to finally see a goal scored.

American Football is full of MAYHEM, grabbing, tackling, catching, rushing, clotheslines....you name it. What I find odd about US Football is that....it's the only sport where out-of-bounds does not mean a turnover.

As for the Racism part, both sports are plagued with racism. I find the racism on whites even more disturbing. The most visible position for whites in US Football is the quarter-back, many other positions
(especially on defense) are exclusively black.

In soccer (especially the English Premier League) people prefer money over racial and nationality pride. That INCE guy is INSANE.Edited by: j41181
 

Freedom

Mentor
Joined
Dec 15, 2005
Messages
812
Location
Tennessee
American football is the worst sport racially because the NFL is the undisputed king of the sport. In basketball, the NBA and the "Dream Team," have been humiliated in international play.
 
Top