Homosexual football player and evolution discussion

[Bk21]

Funny stuff as always Rebajlo....

In defense of those that defend evolutionary thinking is the observation that there is adaptation of species primarily due to environment going on all the time. The urge to extrapolate that on further is understandable. And the science behind how organisms adapt is worthy of study and is the foundation of modern thinking. There is no biology class without it, for example.

However there is no way to really explain first cause(s) of existence through that process and no science is going to comfort you when the night is late, the child is sick, the prognosis terminal. There must be a way to deal with that part of life, which is much more important to the individual then the explanation of abstract scientific theory which has little effect on ones here and now.

Sometimes it's better to hold competing theories about life then try to distill it all down to a single answer. Since there is no way one will ever know the correct answer the best bet is to get through your own existence in as satisfactory a manner as possible.

You're right Jaxvid! there will always be this cruriosity that drives human beings to explore what is around us! and it (almost) never bothered anybody when curiosity drove us to discover penicillin, the action of volcanoes, or when we wanted to explore the galaxy by constructing huge telescopes.
but when it came to explore ourselves and the creatures around us, it was a whole other story! it wasn't just defending "god" or "creation", it was defending THE creation.
like if God wanted to create in an "evolutionary way", he couldn't?? why?? defenders of hardcore creation, want 1-that we prove creation (if that makes sense) 2-to prove it in a way that pleases them; anything outside Adam and Eve is just pure calomny

 

[frederic38]

but when it came to explore ourselves and the creatures around us, it was a whole other story!

actually even for non-christian european civilisations exploring the human body was taboo, in ancient rome it was forbidden to do so for example

there's one thing that i find interesting about evolution
this summer i was diving and i saw a barracuda
while looking more info about this fish i found out that it really looked like a pike:

pike (brochet in french):

barracuda:

these 2 fish are very similar, to the point that the barracuda is called "brochet de mer in french", implying that pikes and barracudas are related

but actually i read that they are not related at all, they look the same because suposedly they evolved the same way but they are noot related at all
i don't know if it's true or not but it's interesting

as for science being full of things that are thought to be true but proven false a few years after, they are currently realizing that DNA isn't the magical thing they thought it was
in a few years you won't hear about DNA anymore

 

[Bk21]

as for science being full of things that are thought to be true but proven false a few years after, they are currently realizing that DNA isn't the magical thing they thought it was in a few years you won't hear about DNA anymore

Who "they"?
magical thing like harry potter magic?
we won't hear about DNA anymore? like DNA is going to disappear? don't quite understand

 

[frederic38]

Who "they"?
magical thing like harry potter magic?
we won't hear about DNA anymore? like DNA is going to disappear? don't quite understand

the scientists thought that all the hereditary informations were in the DNA but they are realizing that it's not the case

 

[Anak]

It isn't my wish to stir the bubbling cauldron, but I often wonder how the condescendingly "omniscient" atheists / evolutionists / admirers of SS tailoring who bounce about "White Nationalist" circles would view things if the historically dominant Western religion comprised a belief system virtually congruent with the tenets of Christianity but centred upon a German messiah. What if the words "Israel" and "Israelites" were simply replaced with "Germany" and "Germans" (or, if one prefers, "Aryans") and the "carpenter" was named, let's say, "Hermann"? Would they be so casually dismissive of the Bible? Or would its apparently puerile contents be far more plausibe. Just a thought...

An insipid one. I'm pretty sure not a one of them seriously believes in Norse mythology for instance. But suddenly make Thor a tortured god who dies for our sins and we'll all jump at the chance to kneel and pray for a new car.

By the way in your entire 10 paragraph onanistic rambling you didn't address a single substantial point. If anyone is condescending it is you.

 

[Anak]

Early Christianity, the Christianity experienced by Western Europeans circa 1000 and that of the 18th century Russians were all ostensibly the same religion but were all really quite different. That is because, as one who has read Spengler would know, religion is the outward expression of a culture's world feeling. It doesn't matter that they use Christ or the Madonna as their medium.

Modern Christian evangelism particularly in America is just a religion of slaves. The folk living along the Appalachians really should be corralled and put into zoos with the great apes so that small school children can point and smile at them.

 

[Don Wassall]

Early Christianity, the Christianity experienced by Western Europeans circa 1000 and that of the 18th century Russians were all ostensibly the same religion but were all really quite different. That is because, as one who has read Spengler would know, religion is the outward expression of a culture's world feeling. It doesn't matter that they use Christ or the Madonna as their medium.

Modern Christian evangelism particularly in America is just a religion of slaves. The folk living along the Appalachians really should be corralled and put into zoos with the great apes so that small school children can point and smile at them.

One of the hallmarks of this discussion forum is that we discuss things civilly and respect the viewpoints of others. You need to follow that guideline as you alone among the posters on this thread have been uncivil. The paragraph highlighted above is way over the line, something one might expect to see on a hate Whitey forum. Being all wise and all knowing, as you seem to believe yourself to be, you should of course be cognizant of the Golden Rule; hopefully you haven't rejected it because it has Christian overtones.

 

[Anak]

" Attention!....all commies, s0d0m1te advocates, atheists and other assorted heathen, bear ye witness unto knowledge (& save thy souls from eternal damnation)...."

"Try these on for size evolutionist heathen...."

Especially considering they're hit and run comments doesn't seem too civil.

 

[jaxvid]

I find it incredulous that Christian evengelists are the target of blame in a country run by gay secular, neo-con jews. Yes those Appalachian Christians, if only we could do something about those people then our all-black cities, our Washington created debt, and our pro-isralei military policy, would instantly be cured. :wacko:

Let's place the blame squarely where it belongs, on the Applachian White people who are the founding stock of the country and helped create the work ethic and moral strength that built a country so it could develop universities and learning institutions that work day and night to devise a strategy of making White people go extinct.

That's the real "evolution" that should be paid attention to. The scientists and "experts" that use their positions of power and authority to see that the moral institutions that were built on the bedrock fiundations of Christian morality are wrecked and destroyed and a new world order NOT based upon science and truth is erected in it's place.

No one on this forum, Christian or atheist alike wants to live in a country where the people that work day and night to ruin our institutions, bankrupt our culture, and mortage our future are running things.

 

[Awake in America]

"The folk living along the Appalachians really should be corralled and put into zoos ..."


... then I checked the URL to make sure I hadn't accidentally wandered onto Democratic Underground, or some other leftwing website ...

 

[Thrashen]

However there is no way to really explain first cause(s) of existence through that process and no science is going to comfort you when the night is late, the child is sick, the prognosis terminal. There must be a way to deal with that part of life, which is much more important to the individual then the explanation of abstract scientific theory which has little effect on ones here and now.

In the trying moments of this life, I surely haven’t been contemplating some great, astrophysical detonation of compressed matter that purportedly managed to produce trillions of perfectly spherical celestial objects and a resultant universal “Red Shift” of these objects outward through an infinite, frictionless vacuum of bleak, empty, cosmic nothingness.

I won’t be pondering the journey my ancestors (who were most likely from the great Suebi tribe) supposedly made as a result of endless genetic mutations beginning with unicellular organisms, to prehistoric fish, to slithering land reptiles, to prehistoric mammals, to great apes, to Homo Halibis, to Homo Ergaster, to Homo Eructus, to Homo Heidelbergensis, to Neanderthals (who allegedly interbred with early humans but went extinct), to coal-hued “soul brothers” in Africa, to the Missing Link, to the highest form of life in world history…white men.

I’ll also find no comfort in ruminating over the post-mortem decay of my mind and body, and the (supposed) rotting oblivion that will allegedly take eternal grasp of the protons, neutrons, and electrons that comprise my blood, bone, and tissue. Myself, my family, my friends, my white brothers and sisters…silage for ground-dwelling, soft-bodied invertebrates and the wriggling, ignoble larva of flies. Digested and atomized and recycled as per Lavoisier’s “Law of Conservation of Mass.” If these are to be my lovely contemplations of fate, I'd much prefer the fabrications of Wodenism, Odinism, Norse, Slavic, or Greek Mythology, or the man from Galilee.

My grandmother lives in a real haunted house. For years, she told the stories of her interactions with a peaceful apparition, always attempting to convince all of us that there was something there. Of course, none of us believed her. One day when I was around 11 years old (1997), my entire family was gathered at her house for Easter. My grandma was cooking a feast, as she always does. Without warning, a large steel kettle containing soup raised up from the stovetop, suspended in mid-air for around 5 seconds (as if some invisible hands were holding it upright), then slammed into a door approximately 6 feet away. Nobody was standing within 10 feet of it and no suitable explanation could possibly be conjured. I’ve always wondered about that incident…if it was the work of a deceased human spirit. I don’t know if “ghosts” are an indication of God’s existence, but in that brief instant, I was granted eternal hope that a human spirit could endure an earthly death. Selfishly, I’ll sometimes wonder if that “ghost” acted out that day in order to institute a philosophical transformation in all who bore witness to the breathtaking phenomena.

Cue the “are ghosts real?” tangent, haha!

 

[The Hock]

"The folk living along the Appalachians really should be corralled and put into zoos ..."


... then I checked the URL to make sure I hadn't accidentally wandered onto Democratic Underground, or some other leftwing website ...

Me too. Very curious post indeed. Something you would expect to find on an anti-white site. Maybe this guy's just a contrararian. He does seem to position himself as something of an outsider.

I'll just give him a mulligan on it...

 

[Anak]

It was a poke at Dixie.

 

[The Hock]

It was a poke at Dixie.

Yeah I made that post and then on my way to work it dawned on me that was what the comment was. The Hock isn't the swiftest sometimes. My avatar is a bit of wishfull thinking...

 

[Rebajlo]

Being all wise and all knowing, as you seem to believe yourself to be, you should of course be cognizant of the Golden Rule; hopefully you haven't rejected it because it has Christian overtones.

Nice one, Don.

Let's be thankful that our friend Anak isn't the Grand Poobah of the Multiverse (in the real world, that is, rather than in his imagination...) or his crisply-uniformed, eugenically bred death squads of glassy-eyed biology major undergraduates would be kicking our doors down, tramping mud across the Axminster and hauling us off to their dissection labs post haste...

An insipid one. I'm pretty sure not a one of them seriously believes in Norse mythology for instance. But suddenly make Thor a tortured god who dies for our sins and we'll all jump at the chance to kneel and pray for a new car.

Insipid, eh? Well, perhaps is You refined those simian-evolved comprehension skills and actually paid attention to what You are reading it wouldn't appear as bland as that avatar of Yours. But I'll reiterate my point and break it down into easily chewable child-sized portions just for You.

The salient phrase was "historically dominant Western religion". This intimates a scenario in which a Germanocentric religion (let's label it "Hermannianity") otherwise doctrinally indistinguishable from Christianity had played an identical cultural and political role within Europe as Christianity itself. Id est, our "Hermannianity" existed in place of Christianity, the later having never arisen in the first place. Verstehen Sie was ich meine?

It is a bit difficult to argue against the idea that if the "default" pan-European religion was autochthonous rather than "Jewish" / "eastern" it would be a lot more attractive to "White Nationalists" as a whole. By extension, the rate of atheism among "White Nationalists" would therefore presumably be far lower, which would in turn naturally reduce the number of avowed hard-core evolutionists in such circles. Note that the use of the word "presumably" indicates a theory...

So, as You can see, I wasn't talking about the insignificant fantasy-hobby of a few "racist" or "rebellious" metalheads, Dungeons & Dragons enthusiasts, or "goths" sporting black eyeliner but an alternate version of - like it or not - one of the pillars of Western civilisation, complete with its myriad cultural / psychological influences.

Just out of interest, I recall one of the moderators on the Stormfront forum from about a decade ago openly stating that he was a follower of Asatru, as did a number of members. There are far more facets (many of them ridiculous and unsavoury in equal measures) to certain so-called "White Nationalist" groups than most people imagine...

By the way in your entire 10 paragraph onanistic rambling you didn't address a single substantial point. If anyone is condescending it is you.

Ten paragraph onanistic rambling? Tsk, tsk. Sorry to be a pedant, but my post actually comprised eleven paragraphs - that's awfully inaccurate science, professor. When it comes to squint-eyed onanism, You've managed to slap off 22 posts to date in this thread, while I've chastely limited myself to two (including this current "ramble"). But I guess that I'd post a lot more if I didn't have a girlfriend...

I didn't address a single substantial point? What do You want me to say which hasn't already been said by some of our other correspondents, particularly Don? Well, if You insist, let's look at the video You posted which purports to present "evidence" supporting the evolution of the eye.

The harridan-visaged Eugenie Scott states the following: "Molluscs show an interesting series of developments that probably also represent stages in the evolution of the vertebrate eye..."

The problem is that "probably" this and "probably" that ultimately means absolutely nothing. Lining up several different molluscs and saying that they (probably) demonstrate successive steps in a specific evolutionary process doesn't "prove" a thing, apart from the fact that each of the said molluscs' "visual equipment" is different to that of the next one in the carefully assembled queue. Drawing the long evolutionary bow can lead one virtually anywhere one wishes to find oneself...

I can assure You that I don't have anything against scientific enquiry, but there's a vast difference between the empirical legitimacy of, let's say, calculating thermodynamic cycles and claiming that Man is descended from monkeys (which are in turn descended from primordial slime) just becasue such a theory is "intellectually" preferable to any alternative.

 

[Anak]

Insipid, eh? Well, perhaps is You refined those simian-evolved comprehension skills and actually paid attention to what You are reading it wouldn't appear as bland as that avatar of Yours. But I'll reiterate my point and break it down into easily chewable child-sized portions just for You.

The salient phrase was "historically dominant Western religion". This intimates a scenario in which a Germanocentric religion (let's label it "Hermannianity") otherwise doctrinally indistinguishable from Christianity had played an identical cultural and political role within Europe as Christianity itself. Id est, our "Hermannianity" existed in place of Christianity, the later having never arisen in the first place. Verstehen Sie was ich meine?

And with identical poisonous credos? Ah, you make such a great point sir. Yes, I would definitely be a Hermannian if it was a German messiah instead of one from the Levant.

Yeah, insipid.

It is a bit difficult to argue against the idea that if the "default" pan-European religion was autochthonous rather than "Jewish" / "eastern" it would be a lot more attractive to "White Nationalists" as a whole. By extension, the rate of atheism among "White Nationalists" would therefore presumably be far lower, which would in turn naturally reduce the number of avowed hard-core evolutionists in such circles. Note that the use of the word "presumably" indicates a theory...

You've never heard of Christian Identity? What you are talking about already basically exists and yet atheism is still running rampant. Imagine that.

Ten paragraph onanistic rambling? Tsk, tsk. Sorry to be a pedant, but my post actually comprised eleven paragraphs - that's awfully inaccurate science, professor. When it comes to squint-eyed onanism, You've managed to slap off 22 posts to date in this thread, while I've chastely limited myself to two (including this current "ramble"). But I guess that I'd post a lot more if I didn't have a girlfriend...

Mostly one-line posts or links that actually address things. You are a windbag speaking an infinite deal of nothing and that is a fact. We've been members nearly the same length of time you have hundreds more posts and every one of them being 50 paragraphs long, of which at least 49 are superfluous, save the posts where you post power metal music videos.

 

[Don Wassall]

I just found this article linked to on the Drudge Report. I assume most if not all evolutionists are also atheists as an afterlife would clash with the theory. At any rate this is interesting.


Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon

A prominent scientist who had previously dismissed the possibility of the afterlife says he has reconsidered his belief after experiencing an out of body experience which has convinced him that heaven exists.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor.../Afterlife-exists-says-top-brain-surgeon.html

 

[Anak]

People actively ingest DMT and ayahuasca for the same sort of visions. It's speculated by a Jewish scholar that the early Hebrews took a psychedelic concoction similar to ayahuasca and that that accounts for Moses's experience with the burning bush.

 

[jaxvid]

I think everyone has had their say on this issue that's wanted to and I believe a total of "0" minds have been changed. Worst of all valued long time posters whose input I admire are in the unfortunate position of sniping at each other. I hate these types of issues where we line up on different sides against each other, there are too many lined up against us for that to be a good thing.

Having said that, I do enjoy reading the debate when civil, and checking out the interesting links. I have learned much, as I always do when intelligent people discuss important matters and share there opinions. But I think this has run it's course for now so I am going to lock the thread. Perhaps Don feels differently but I think a break from this is warranted.