Heisman 2011

[bearclaw500]

Listening to ESPN on the radio yesterday, they were evaluating the 2011 Heisman Finalists. When they got to Andrew Luck the guy said. "Luck doesn't have the numbers Giffin does, but we have to credit him a bit, in that he doesn't have anybody to throw to". (An obvious shot at Fleener and Whalen)

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Listening to ESPN on the radio yesterday, they were evaluating the 2011 Heisman Finalists. When they got to Andrew Luck the guy said. "Luck doesn't have the numbers Giffin does, but we have to credit him a bit, in that he doesn't have anybody to throw to". (An obvious shot at Fleener and Whalen)

Well, how nice of them to put it that way. Everybody knows that Luck is far and away the best QB out there, even caste stooge Colin Cowtard said so last week. Just another reason why I put no stock in the Heisman faux award. It has been a joke/popularity contest (much like the Negrophile Football League's Pro Bowl) for decades.

The crappiest part of this AA Heisman hype is that it inflates the black quarterbacks even more to the extent that they get drafted way too early (if they are even deserving of getting drafted in the first place) and then they are immediately handed the reigns to a starting job and become entrenched there for years until the experiment ultimately reaches its inevitable failed end. During that time, far better White QBs have had to endure several apprenticeship years while their talent is not being developed or worse yet wasted, or (if they are allowed to start relatively early in their career) suffer constant criticism from the caste system media and DWFs who have no sympathy for White athletes and do not care if they succeed or fail. It is a lose/lose for everyone and everything involved except for the caste masters themselves.

 

[Van_Slyke_CF]

Col. Reb wrote:

"The crappiest part of this AA Heisman hype is that it inflates the black quarterbacks even more to the extent that they get drafted way too early (if they are even deserving of getting drafted in the first place) and then they are immediately handed the reigns to a starting job and become entrenched there for years until the experiment ultimately reaches its inevitable failed end."

EXACTLY

I'm sure Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert can't wait to draft one for the Steelers next year. I guess they could bring back Batch, Leftwich and Dixon for another year of million-dollar handouts, but I suspect they'll draft one new black for the position to back up Big Ben for a couple more years.

 

[FootballDad]

Well, I guess that we don't even need to watch the Heisman ceremony, as, according to CasteRivals National Football Post, RG III has it locked up.....

Hand Baylor's RG III the Heisman Trophy

.....And the list is headlined by RG III, who has simply been too phenomenal to not claim the prestigious honor. As colleague Joe Fortenbaugh discusses, he is the odds-on favorite to hoist the trophy this weekend.

 

[celticdb15]

My Heisman

1. Montee Ball (36 tds he's going to break Barry Sanders record)
2. Andrew Luck
3. Trent Richardson

 

[icsept]

I'm confident that Luck will win the Heisman. The black supremacist vote will be split between the other 4 finalists.

RGIII had a great statistical season, but he is a system quarterback. Baylor's coach, Art Briles was the former Houston Cougars coach 2003 - 2007 and had Kevin Kolb at quarterback. In 2006 Kolb put up magical numbers, 3,809 yds, 30 TDs, 4 Ints, 67.6 comp%, 162.70 rating. The Cougars were 10-4, but Kolb was not a Heisman candidate.

As far as Montee Ball breaking Barry Sanders TD record, it's a fraud: The record is 39 TDs, which Sanders accumulated in an 11 game season. He also had 5 TDs in the Holiday Bowl, which was not included in the official stats back in 1988. So, the real record is 44, which he accumulated in 12 games. Ball has 38 TDs in 13 games. I'm sure they will get him two more TDs and he will be the new record holder at 40 TDs, still 4 TDs behind Sanders, although he played two more games. Ball will break the official record by playing in 14 games to Sanders' 11.

 

[Deadlift]

Well, I guess that we don't even need to watch the Heisman ceremony, as, according to CasteRivals National Football Post, RG III has it locked up.....

Hand Baylor's RG III the Heisman Trophy

How soon you forget that those Texas Longhorns' were "great" this year? Really affletic, too.. FULL of first-rounders!

They didn't get trucked by other teams (OU, OSU), didn't lose to K-State and MIZZOU in a pitiful manner, didn't get manhandled by BYU's o-line, and Case McCoy didn't throw 4 picks against Baylor, which led to 24 Baylor points...

 

[FootballDad]

How soon you forget that those Texas Longhorns' were "great" this year? Really affletic, too.. FULL of first-rounders!

They didn't get trucked by other teams (OU, OSU), didn't lose to K-State and MIZZOU in a pitiful manner, didn't get manhandled by BYU's o-line, and Case McCoy didn't throw 4 picks against Baylor, which led to 24 Baylor points...

Well, no one remembers any of sCam Newton's mistakes this year, and many losses, either! They will just fawn over the magical Robert Griffin III, give him the Heisman, and declare him the next number 1 pick in the NFL draft, even if he misses all of his throws at the Combine........:crazy:

 

[Shockwave]

RGIII had a great statistical season, but he is a system quarterback. Baylor's coach, Art Briles was the former Houston Cougars coach 2003 - 2007 and had Kevin Kolb at quarterback. In 2006 Kolb put up magical numbers, 3,809 yds, 30 TDs, 4 Ints, 67.6 comp%, 162.70 rating. The Cougars were 10-4, but Kolb was not a Heisman candidate.

Kevin Kolb dinked and dunked his way to those yards, in a mediocre conference, and without playing a single ranked team. RGIII guns it 20, 30, 40 yards in the air down the field at will, and still crushed Kolb's completion percentage. He racked the greatest quarterback passer rating in the history of college football, playing against 5 ranked teams, while additionally collecting another 644 rushing yards and 9 td's on the ground.

I give credit where it's due, and RGIII deserves a comfortable win. Had it not been for the pre-season and year long Andrew Luck hype, Griffin probably would have gotten a landslide victory.

 

[SchaafC]

I give credit where it's due, and RGIII deserves a comfortable win. Had it not been for the pre-season and year long Andrew Luck hype, Griffin probably would have gotten a landslide victory.

Whatever troll.
Where is the Heisman hype for Colin Klein?
Griffin or RGIII as you seem to want to call him, is not even in the Top 10 in scoring in the Big12.
He is fourth in the Big12 in passing. Behind Weeden, Jones, and Dodge.
Griffin is just another absurd hype machine.
Sure he deserves his credit. As a good college player, but he is not elite at all.
His 20,30,40 yard bombs are always to wide open WR's with no one within 15 yards of them. Sorry guy Griffin is just another system OB. He should not win it, for all the same reasons that Colt McCoy did not win it! Period.

 

[Shockwave]

Whatever troll.
Where is the Heisman hype for Colin Klein?
Griffin or RGIII as you seem to want to call him, is not even in the Top 10 in scoring in the Big12.
He is fourth in the Big12 in passing. Behind Weeden, Jones, and Dodge.
Griffin is just another absurd hype machine.
Sure he deserves his credit. As a good college player, but he is not elite at all.
His 20,30,40 yard bombs are always to wide open WR's with no one within 15 yards of them. Sorry guy Griffin is just another system OB. He should not win it, for all the same reasons that Colt McCoy did not win it! Period.

By fourth in passing, you mean fourth in passing YARDAGE. That wouldn't be because Weeden, Jones, and Dodge (sic) have 153, 168, and 212 more pass attempts, would it? That's where EFFICIENCY comes in play. RGIII destroyed them in yards per attempt, yards per completion, touchdowns per attempt, touchdowns per completion, and across the boards rushing stats. Griffin's voters don't have to cherry-pick individual metrics to make him seem more valuable. To say he's not elite, despite his being the most efficient passer, and possessing the second most yards per attempt, in the history of college football, is just patently absurd.

Also, nothing against Colin (sic) Klein, but HE'S a system QB. Despite his being a dinker/dunker at best (6.95 yards per attempt), he has very little accuracy, and, he's a below average (3.8 yards per carry) runner. His stats and production are padded with 24 carries per game. His numbers are nothing special, efficiency-wise, but they work for the K-State system.

 

[jaxvid]

By fourth in passing, you mean fourth in passing YARDAGE. That wouldn't be because Weeden, Jones, and Dodge (sic) have 153, 168, and 212 more pass attempts, would it? That's where EFFICIENCY comes in play. RGIII destroyed them in yards per attempt, yards per completion, touchdowns per attempt, touchdowns per completion, and across the boards rushing stats. Griffin's voters don't have to cherry-pick individual metrics to make him seem more valuable. To say he's not elite, despite his being the most efficient passer, and possessing the second most yards per attempt, in the history of college football, is just patently absurd.

Also, nothing against Colin (sic) Klein, but HE'S a system QB. Despite his being a dinker/dunker at best (6.95 yards per attempt), he has very little accuracy, and, he's a below average (3.8 yards per carry) runner. His stats and production are padded with 24 carries per game. His numbers are nothing special, efficiency-wise, but they work for the K-State system.

The forum guidelines are clear "The purpose of Caste Football is to root for White athletes and to see that they receive their due in American society and that they participate in athletic endeavors on a level playing field. " and " No trolls! Caste Football and its discussion board is for the use and enjoyment of Caste Football supporters only."

Follow the rules or you will be banned. You can find plenty of other websites to celebrate your love for Griffin out there in DWF land.

 

[Lew]

Kevin Kolb dinked and dunked his way to those yards, in a mediocre conference, and without playing a single ranked team. RGIII guns it 20, 30, 40 yards in the air down the field at will, and still crushed Kolb's completion percentage. He racked the greatest quarterback passer rating in the history of college football, playing against 5 ranked teams, while additionally collecting another 644 rushing yards and 9 td's on the ground.

I give credit where it's due, and RGIII deserves a comfortable win. Had it not been for the pre-season and year long Andrew Luck hype, Griffin probably would have gotten a landslide victory.

:kev::kev::kev::kev::kev:

 

[white is right]

:kev: Haha, this looks like boxing writer Mike Katz in a drill sergeants hat..... By the way this clown is Maximus , Texas Tech and other account names. Same mo, at first he will nitpick on a point (it may or not be valid). Then he will show some White athlete failing or underachieving, Then he starts "showing love" for a Black athlete slyly. After that the gloves are off and he is pure trolling...:thumbdown:

 

[Riddlewire]

Here are the Pass Defenses that Griffin faced this season:

TCU 56th
SFAustin DivIAA
Rice 111th
KState 104th
IowaSt 72nd
TX A&M 113th
OKSt 102nd
Mizzou 91st
Kansas 108th
Okla 83rd
TTech 65th
Texas 47th

The Big 12 has settled into a pattern. It's a lot like high school football in Arkansas. Every team runs the same (or similar) offense. Nobody bothers to play defense of any kind. You win by outscoring your opponent.
Fox Sports Southwest (which I have) carried several Baylor games this season. Every game was the same story. Receivers wide open, nobody within 10 yards of them. No passes were defended. The primary defensive strategy in the Big 12 is to either get a pick or get a sack. They don't worry about the receivers, though.
My favorite target, Denard Robinson, is a much better passer than Robert Griffin. If Griffin goes in the top five, he will have to have an entire team reshaped to fit his limited skill set. And while that will build up his statistics for a while, it will prevent the team from winning year after year (see Cam Newton).
However, I will give Griffin credit for being a fast person. If he had a coach committed to an option-heavy offense (really committed, not John Fox-committed), then I believe that team could be successful in the NFL for at least two years. I've always believed that the NFL is afraid to try new things, so they just claim up front that no new things can possibly work. I'm convinced that they can. And we'll probably find out soon, since too many colleges are switching to "skill-less" offensive schemes. The number of available quarterbacks who can run an NFL style offense is dwindling. Pretty soon, all NFL rosters will be filled with QBs who ran spread options in college. At that point, the NFL will either descend into a joke (like the NBA) or the league will be dominated by a very small number of white quarterbacks who, although they played spread football in college, still possess the natural quarterback talent that only white men have.

 

[white is right]

Even NFL Draftscout.com has Robinson listed as a genuine tailback prospect and a long shot qb prospect. I think if Tebow succeeds you will see more teams try and play this college style offense. I know when Steve Young won with the 49ers people compared the young and fast Mcnair to him(obviously the old and shot Mcnair couldn't compare). I also think the sucess of Flutie and Garcia have opened the door to the Dennis Dixon types in the NFL.

 

[Lew]

Wow Texas is 47. Much to my surprise the media made them out to be a top 10 defense.

 

[dwid]

The thing about Tebow opening up the door for more running qbs, I don't know. The black ones tend to be on the thin side and injured easily, although Griffin is bigger than the ones we have seen before like Pat White. Tebow is 240 6'3. The NFL is already moving toward spread type offenses, passing spreads though. Saints run spread type stuff, Patriots do as well. Bellicheck was smart enough to make the adjustment to make it work better, have 2 tight ends and two wide receivers, so you aren't limited, you can have better blockers when running out of a 4 wide set. We haven't seen a team commited to a run oriented spread. Fox has run the basic stuff with Tebow. We will see more guys like Klein etc. Denard is 5'9 or 5'10 at best, tailback would be a good position for him.


As far as Klein avearaging "only 3.8", you are aware they count sacks as negative rushes, right? Sacked 36 times, not always an indicator of bad qb play, could be the line, or coverage sacks. Not to mention goal line carries lower ypc, he has , what 26 rushing tds? Robert Griffin is only averaging .2 more ypc. IF it were Nfl rules he would have a better ypc, Tebow wouldve had a great ypc. You are aware that Klein was a receiver before moving to qb, he is still learning fundamentals, but they aren't teaching him that much, just relying on his athletic ability to get by. Hopefully he will work with someone outside of school on passing. He and Martinez are the two dual threat guys who need to step it up, but either way Klein still has more potential than Griffin, prototypical size, 6'5 230, how tall is Griffin? generously listed at 6'2, probably 6'1 at the most.

I really don't care who wins the Heisman right now. The other year it was good to have a White back in the running, but for the most part the winners haven't done that great. Ingram has looked average, a Shonn Greene type back at best. They want to criticize Gerhart on his first NFL starts they should have taken a closer look at Ingram. Troy Smith? Reggie Bush? Im hoping Rex can win the Doak Walker next year though, either him or Line.

The NFL is desperate for a black qb, even more now since Freeman regressed. Newton is putting up stats but not wins. There are only a few starting right now, it seemed like once one went down Jackson magically got the job over Whitehurst to make sure they had at least 4. So I expect this kid to be extremely hyped up, and guys like shockwave buy right into it. I doubt he even watched someone like Klein play, just looks at the stats and think all stats are equal.

 

[SchaafC]

By fourth in passing, you mean fourth in passing YARDAGE. That wouldn't be because Weeden, Jones, and Dodge (sic) have 153, 168, and 212 more pass attempts, would it? That's where EFFICIENCY comes in play. RGIII destroyed them in yards per attempt, yards per completion, touchdowns per attempt, touchdowns per completion, and across the boards rushing stats. Griffin's voters don't have to cherry-pick individual metrics to make him seem more valuable. To say he's not elite, despite his being the most efficient passer, and possessing the second most yards per attempt, in the history of college football, is just patently absurd.

Also, nothing against Colin (sic) Klein, but HE'S a system QB. Despite his being a dinker/dunker at best (6.95 yards per attempt), he has very little accuracy, and, he's a below average (3.8 yards per carry) runner. His stats and production are padded with 24 carries per game. His numbers are nothing special, efficiency-wise, but they work for the K-State system.

As Riddle mentioned fool. He faced


TCU 56th
SFAustin DivIAA
Rice 111th
KState 104th
IowaSt 72nd
TX A&M 113th
OKSt 102nd
Mizzou 91st
Kansas 108th
Okla 83rd
TTech 65th
Texas 47th

And if he was so efficient and so prolific how did he ever lose. And do tell me troll how is it that he was that far behind the others in passing attempts.
System QB
With terrific skill players around him. Hype machine. I actually identified him as being someone who may get this hype long before the gears started grinding.

 

[Riddlewire]

It cannot be denied that Griffin is a system quarterback. Conclusive proof was provided this season.
Against Texas Tech, Griffin gave himself a concussion right before halftime. His backup, Nick Florence, who had been redshirting and hadn't taken a snap all season, came in and outperformed Griffin. That's the very definition of a "system offense". They each had one half against the same team. Griffin had the benefit of ten games of preparation and all the first team snaps in every practice all season. Florence hadn't been in a game since the 2010 season and he only threw 12 passes all that year. Yet, here were there numbers versus Tech:

*********C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
N. Florence 9/12 151 12.6 2 0
R. Griffin III 7/11 106 9.6 1 0

But, honestly, if you can't tell from watching the games that the Big 12 is a joke when it comes to defense, then you really have no business commenting on football. Just drink your beer, eat your hot dogs, and clog your arteries with blissful ignorance.

 

[Shockwave]

As Riddle mentioned fool. He faced


TCU 56th
SFAustin DivIAA
Rice 111th
KState 104th
IowaSt 72nd
TX A&M 113th
OKSt 102nd
Mizzou 91st
Kansas 108th
Okla 83rd
TTech 65th
Texas 47th

You DO know that Riddlewire ranked those by total yards per game, regardless of the number of attempts, don't you? Most other observers use the more precise, EFFICIENCY rating which also factors in the number of attempts. Now you don't exactly strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I'll assume you don't know the difference. I'll break it down for you as simply as possible. Uusing the total yards aggregate:

Penn State surrenders 162.2 passing yards per game which is 5th lowest in the country

Air Force surrenders 162.7 passing yards per game which is 6th lowest in the county.

The average unsophisticated, naive, simpleton would assume there passing defenses are equal.

When you include the number of passing attempts defensed into that total:

Penn State gave up 162.2 as result of 29.8 passes
Air Force gave up 162.7 as result of only 23.5 passes.

Despite giving up the same amount of yards, are their passing defenses still similar? Or is Penn State's actually better?

Once attempts are factored in, Penn State's passing defense is REALLY still ranked 5th, and Air Force is REALLY ranked 72nd.

To make a long story short, just because they give up more passing yards, doesn't mean their passing defenses are any worse than anyone else's. Efficieny-wise, guess who faced the tougher passing defenses.. Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III?

Answer: The average pass efficiency defense ranking faced by Griffin III is 65th. For Barkley, it was 72nd; for Luck, 82nd.

 

[Shockwave]

It cannot be denied that Griffin is a system quarterback. Conclusive proof was provided this season.
Against Texas Tech, Griffin gave himself a concussion right before halftime. His backup, Nick Florence, who had been redshirting and hadn't taken a snap all season, came in and outperformed Griffin. That's the very definition of a "system offense". They each had one half against the same team. Griffin had the benefit of ten games of preparation and all the first team snaps in every practice all season. Florence hadn't been in a game since the 2010 season and he only threw 12 passes all that year. Yet, here were there numbers versus Tech:

*********C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
N. Florence 9/12 151 12.6 2 0
R. Griffin III 7/11 106 9.6 1 0

But, honestly, if you can't tell from watching the games that the Big 12 is a joke when it comes to defense, then you really have no business commenting on football. Just drink your beer, eat your hot dogs, and clog your arteries with blissful ignorance.

Did you watch the game? Florence was dinking and dunking, had one long pass for a TD, then a jump ball/Hail Mary for a TD. Why did you not also include the rushing stats? Is it because RGIII rushed for 2 TD's, more yards, and had more total yards than Florence?

I notice you didn't include Florence's 2009 season in which he started 8 games. Why not? Perhaps because including a full season of mediocrity sandwiched between Griffin's 2 superb years would have blasted a gaping hole in your argument?

 

[dwid]

Did you watch the game? Florence was dinking and dunking, had one long pass for a TD, then a jump ball/Hail Mary for a TD. Why did you not also include the rushing stats? Is it because RGIII rushed for 2 TD's, more yards, and had more total yards than Florence?

I notice you didn't include Florence's 2009 season in which he started 8 games. Why not? Perhaps because including a full season of mediocrity sandwiched between Griffin's 2 superb years would have blasted a gaping hole in your argument?

The main point about being a system qb is that the backup is able to come in with very little reps with the first team, and still have very little drop off. Looking at the game, Florence outperformed Griffin, not just by stats.

His full season of mediocrity? you mean his freshman season where he was inserted due to need, right when the tough part of the schedule started?

Florence had a rushing td. Dinking and Dunking, is that why Griffin had ONE pass completed over 20 yards?, it was 33 yards? you act like he is throwing 40 yard bombs all game, every game. Florence had two touchdown throws that went for 40 yards. We are just going to throw away the ones the Florence made because you think one was a hail mary? what does it matter? Griffin has padded his stats plenty of times. His rushing totals look bad because of sacks, which has happened to Griffin several times, like the 12 carries for 6 yards against K-State, the 12 carries for 15 yards against Texas A&M, the 16 carries for 27 yards against Ok State, the 12 carries for 32 yards against Texas. Wait, where did his biggest rushing games come from again? Stephen F Austin, Rice, Iowa St, Kansas (His best performance, a team who has been awful with Gill)

Oh wait, just watched it, turns out the 33 yard td, was actually a much shorter route with most of the yards coming after the catch, and the two passes by Florence were bombs. As for one being a hail mary? where do you get that from? you must not know much about football. That was not a hail mary, and if it were, why would they be throwing one in the 3rd quarter? It was a great catch by the receiver, but Ive seen the receivers make catches like that for Griffin on a regular basis. Not to mention...thats a very hard throw, 40 yards to the outside corner But...not a hail mary, that was a normal route, not some end of the game chuck in the air and pray someone comes down with it. Florence had a long rush of 16, Griffin had a long rush of 16.

[video=youtube;0_md6MJchL8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_md6MJchL8[/video]

dinking and dunking, what is Griffin doing in this highlight? you can catch his amazing downfield throw at 34 seconds, or his incredible arm strength at 44 seconds. How could Florence ever match that, oh wait, look at 2:10 and 2:30

for the record I think Griffin is a good qb, just nowhere near the level people are putting him at, there is a reason coaches just don't automatically draft qbs from college with the best numbers in the 1st round, you have to evaluate other things. Of course they always bring this up with White qbs from spread offenses to the point where some had potential and were never given a shot, but its not really a problem when it comes to black qbs. I see him being like Jeff Blake in the NFL, his deep pass reminds me of what they called Blake's "moon ball". They look similar in play and have almost identical measurables, both around 6'1 220. Blake had some speed as well.

 

[Riddlewire]

Did you watch the game? Florence was dinking and dunking, had one long pass for a TD, then a jump ball/Hail Mary for a TD. Why did you not also include the rushing stats? Is it because RGIII rushed for 2 TD's, more yards, and had more total yards than Florence?

I don't even know how to begin.
A certain amount of ignorance can be overcome with careful explanation. But you don't even seem to understand the basics of the game of football. You sound like one of those Cam Newton fans. "Woo Hoo! Four Hunnerd Yards! Cam is the best quarterback in the NFL!"

Why did I mention the Texas Tech game?
My first sentence tells you. It's a sample that reveals why Griffin is the product of a system. Any idiot would need no further evidence.

But I'll try to simplify it for those like you. (Btw, your second "paragraph" is irrelevant. I did not write "This game proves that Florence is a better quarterback than Griffin". You're trying to introduce extraneous arguments to obscure your failed logic.)

Stats shouldn't be necessary. My irrefutable claim is that Florence came into the game cold and the Baylor offense proceeded to run just as well without Griffin. This cannot be argued. It is fact.

Repeating the stats here:
*********C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
N. Florence 9/12 151 12.6 2 0
R. Griffin III 7/11 106 9.6 1 0

Now let's look how the team did with each quarterback.
Griffin played the first half. Florence played the second half.
In the first half, Baylor produced 31 points on 49 plays. That's 0.63 points per play, with Griffin himself producing 6.7 yards per play (that's including his rushing yards).
In the second half, Baylor produced 35 points on 53 plays. That's 0.66 points per play, with Florence producing 8.7 yards per play.
Traditional measurements also confirm that Florence was no less effective than Griffin. Griffin's passer rating for the game was 174.6. Florence's rating for the game was 235.7.

You claim that Florence is a "mediocre" quarterback. Ok. Then what does it say about Baylor's offense this year that a "mediocre" quarterback can come into a game after sitting on his ass all season and the team operates without any drop in production (And, as the numbers show, the team was even more effective with the mediocre backup).

There is no possible way of playing with the numbers which make you correct or which make Griffin anything more than the product of the Art Briles system.

 

[dwid]

so i am guessing it is taking you a while to come up with a response after footage is right there to watch, I can get different angles if you would like. I don't need efficiency stats to tell me what I see on tape, its freaking easy to throw in the big 12. Stats can miss out on a lot of things, like a dropped pass, is that considered a defensive win? I know there are sites that take that into account for the NFL, but not NCAA.

Penn St and Navy are about the two most contrasting defenses you could put on there, of course Navy's d is going to be much lower than Penn St. Navy runs a ball control offense, which is part of their defense, they keep insisting on small, slow black corners that can't cover and give up big plays in the little time they don't have the ball. I am willing to bet the efficiency ratings for most defenses aren't far off from the numbers he listed...But you can cherry pick the stats all you want, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that it is easy to pass in the big 12. The pac 10/12 is too, but Stanford and USC runs a different offense. I'm sure if Luck ran Baylor's offense, hed put up better numbers. They dink and dunk to open up the deep pass. The dinks and dunks rase his completion percentage. Yes he can throw the deep ball but so can Luck, Luck has a better arm. Stanford runs and runs to set up the deep ball, more of a pro style offense.

If Griffin wins, it goes against everything that was said when Toby Gerhart lost to Ingram. That its not the stats that matter, its the best player on one of the TOP teams. Toby was on a team that was headed to the Sun Bowl, even though they were 1-11 before Toby committed, this wasn't seen as much by the voters. Andrew Luck was a freshman and nowhere near the level he is now, Toby carried that offense on his back with over 350 touches. Ingram was on Alabama who was going to the national championship and shared carries. If this same unspoken rule is the case, Trent Richardson should have the edge on Montee Ball and Griffin should be an afterthought. IF Griffin was the top qb, it doesn't matter because he is on a 3 loss team. Yes he doesn't play defense, but neither did Gerhart. Luck should have more of a shot as well, his team is headed to a BCS bowl, along with Richardson and Ball. Griffin is headed to the Alamo bowl. BUT....I guess the rules change when its a black quarterback.