Fastest White Man (Charlie's Space)

[The Master]

I have to admit that rooting for a Frenchman is tantamount to blasphemy. Nevertheless, I shall be cheering him on, albeit quietly and with my doors and windows shut.

Nobody obliges you to support him. And actually we don't want you to support Christophe.
You can stay and support your brits.

I decided to not post anymore here because of racist claims by some people againt blacks and also because some of them called Chistophe "frog" which is Disrespectful but you are the same kind of guy except your racism is against whites (and french)

You are just an idiot, the psychological barrier is in your mind.


Edited by: jphoenix001

 

[albinosprint]

jphoenix001,

you can't count anything that comes out of charlie180, as we do not share in his belief that a white cannot break 10. why we let him post is beyond me. and I will say that although we my accuse sprinters like Bolt for being on drugs without any proof, we are not racist. I for one have many Black friends and never judge anyone by their skin tone. instead I like to judge people by what comes out of their mouth. as for throwing the "Frog" statement around, for me it's more of a term of endearment. you should take no offence to it as I don't say it as a put down. actually, it's really me being lazy as I don't won't to type out Christophe Lemaitre every time I reference him. it's just quicker and easier to type Frog. and I don't have any problems with French people being that my Grandmother is a Direct descendant of Marquis de La Fayette. which, if you know your history, fought alongside George Washington in the Revolutionary War. if it make you feel better you can call me Yankee. and remember, here at Caste Football Forum were are not anti Black, we are just Pro white!

Edited by: albinosprint

 

[charlie180]

...you are the same kind of guy except your racism is against whites

Hey, that's not fair. My best friends are white. Not to mention that my mother was white.

There is quite a bit of racism on here towards blacks, not by me, but I think that there is always a fine line between being proud of your race/nationality and disparaging others. I am sure that we all cross that line from time to time.

I could certainly point you in the direction of a few 'black' orientated blogs that are also guilty of this.

I have to admit that rooting for a Frenchman is tantamount to blasphemy. Nevertheless, I shall be cheering him on, albeit quietly and with my doors and windows shut.

Nobody obliges you to support him. And actually we don't want you to support Christophe.

Clearly you're neither French nor British. That isn't racist towards the French, it's a joke and a play on the 1000+ years of banter and rivalry between France and Britain, similar to that between Scotland and England. The French do the same; and I have never met a Frenchman who was offended by the term frog. Have you never seen Monty Python?

 

[StarWars]

Despite my believing it more than a little unlikely, I have also wondered whether the press will mention things like the fastest white man, or the first white man under 10s should Lemaitre achieve it. I don't think they will.

Anyone mentioning it, especially the athlete, is likely to be criticised for bringing race into the issue. It is just not 'cool' to mention being the first white man to achieve something in a black dominated arena.

Also one has to wonder about a white athlete called The Master beating black athletes, surely that is going to raise some eyebrows?

That is the only reason you haven't been banned yet, I hope you know. You are intelligient and probably see the hypocrisy that the media is responsible for, especially against whites. We'd probably agree on a lot of things, except that you think a 19 year old Leamitre wont improve .05 more seconds, or stay the same with a little wind behind him. You are litterally saying that it is impossible Lemaitre will ever receive a 1 m/s wind behind him in the future.

And that JPhoenix001 guy is French, but is offended by weird things. I've seen him type in French on youtube.

Osovnikar made the finals in 2007 (a very competitive year except not as "quality" as Beijing), and he is not in Lemaitre's league. For some white guy to be 7th in the world, makes any argument of black racial superiority at the "elite," or otherwise dirty level, just dumb. Look at Top Lists. There are plenty of competitive whites, even with all the PED use, which both is taken by blacks more and helps them more. I too agree white sprinters are best skinny or toned. So assuming that Top lists is representative of racial differences in speed, and not cultural differences (and it is cultural differences especially role models), then the chances that the average black is faster than the average white is 50.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009 to 50.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 slightly in favor of blacks. Edited by: StarWars

 

[The Master]

And that JPhoenix001 guy is French, but is offended by weird things. I've seen him type in French on youtube.

Yes it's sure if you are not french it's weird things. Maybe it's normal in your mind to say "frog" for a french, or maybe it's normal for you the comment made by Charlie because you are culturally educated like that. But check all my post, I don't say similar things about american or Brit or italian people. And we know how patriots are americans, if I said something like that for sure some of you guys will not appreciate. Empathy is important in our global world Starwars.
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</h1>Oui Charlie, je suis français et fier de la culture de mon pays, et c'est pour ça que je la défendrais. J'aime aussi l'ironie entre français et anglais mais lorsque tu as écrit cela, aucun français n'était présent ou ne s'était manifesté, donc il est vrai que c'est de l'ironie entre français et anglais mais quand c'est fait entre anglophones c'est une insulte. J'aime aussi la culture américaine et anglaise et d'autres pays encore notamment celle du pays où je suis actuellement (le Canada). Et Monthy Python n'est pas très (voir pas du tout) connu en France. Voilà peut-être auras-tu le courage de faire traduire ce texte.

Anyway to come back to the topic, that's just impossible for me to understand why a white can do 10'00 and not 9'99 or 9'98.

It's not logical to say sub-10 is a impossible wall for a white, it's a non-sense.



Edited by: jphoenix001

 

[charlie180]

Oui Charlie, je suis français et fier de la culture de mon pays, et c'est pour ça que je la défendrais. J'aime aussi l'ironie entre français et anglais mais lorsque tu as écrit cela, aucun français n'était présent ou ne s'était manifesté, donc il est vrai que c'est de l'ironie entre français et anglais mais quand c'est fait entre anglophones c'est une insulte. J'aime aussi la culture américaine et anglaise et d'autres pays encore notamment celle du pays où je suis actuellement (le Canada). Et Monthy Python n'est pas très (voir pas du tout) connu en France. Voilà peut-être auras-tu le courage de faire traduire ce texte.

Point taken, but although I didn't know that any French readers would read it, I suspected (it is after all , mainly a discussion about Lemaitre - a French athlete) that they might. It was really aimed at French or British, as I didn't think anyone else would get it. But I do see your point, how if it was just between English speakers, it could be seen as racist. In a similar way some of the comments on here about blacks are just between whites.

I did make a similar 'joke' to you on my website a while back when I said 'Probably one of the few times I'll be cheering on a Frenchman', but I guess the blasphemy, doors and windows thing may have been too far!

Shame about Monty Python, I would have thought the scene where the French taunt the English in the Holy Grail film would have been popular: ''No chance English bed-wetting types!' and 'You tiny brained wipers of other peoples bottoms!' and 'Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time,' some of the funniest insults ever seen in a movie.

As for it being all in my mind, well, we'll see in a couple of weeks. I think Lemaitre did fantastic to make 10.04s, sadly I think that will be his PB for life.

 

[The Master]

I did make a similar 'joke' to you on my website a while back when I said 'Probably one of the few times I'll be cheering on a Frenchman', but I guess the blasphemy, doors and windows thing may have been too far!

I remember that joke and that was pretty funny.

Actually Monty Python is maybe famous for people over 40 but I was born in the 80's so...

You seem to listen and undertand the point of view of other persons which is a quality.

So finally you are smart, except if we say 100m, white and 10 seconds in the same sentence

As I said on your website, I bet with you for Christophe, futur is for him (and ramil)

 

[StarWars]

I think Lemaitre did fantastic to make 10.04s, sadly I think that will be his PB for life.

I really hate how you can sound intelligent and civil, then say a completely illogical statement that can only be purposefully stubborn, in the same breath. There is no way that it is possible for Lemaitre to go 10.04 with no wind, but not 9.99. He is NOT Shirvo! He can improve, and he will. The human body is not constricted by that fine of a line.

I hope you are right jphoenix001. I am glad he is in a surrounding that he likes, and not going for the money. That tells me he would not take PEDs too. I agree he should focus on the competition, and not the times. That was the mistake of too many white sprinters, including Borzov (although he had no competittion). He deals with this stuff lightly, as opposed to Craig Pickering. I love them both though.

 

[Alpha Male]

You can say one thing about Charlie 180: he definitely increases the number of posts in the track session. Maybe that's why he hasn't been banned

You said your mother was white. If you don't mind me asking, what about your father?

 

[StarWars]

My bet is he was trying to say he is white in a more clever way. Brits love talking about their mums.

 

[charlie180]

You said your mother was white. If you don't mind me asking, what about your father?

I don't mind, but StarWars had it right. I was just saying that I was white in a round about way. My father was also white, as were all my ancestors that I know of.

 

[waterbed]

Charlie,if I white guy can come close to a sub 10 without pushing wind (10.03 -0.1 wind) why wouldn't he can go sub 10 with a pushing wind ,knowing from 1 meter a second you got 0.06 seconds profit.so that means that whites at the very least can go sub 10 when the conditions are good.(but maybe a white shows in the future he don't even need that pushing wind of like +(1.0-2.0)(lemaitre).or are you that type of guy that it don't mather what other people say you still will always believe what you did already.good arguments have zero function.


or are you the wheather God?, that whene a white guys can go sub 10 with good wheather and pushing wind conditions you make it evrytime a bad wind day LOL.

 

[Observer]

 

[Patriot09]

Charlie,if I white guy can come close to a sub 10 without pushing wind (10.03 -0.1 wind) why wouldn't he can go sub 10 with a pushing wind ,knowing from 1 meter a second you got 0.06 seconds profit.so that means that whites at the very least can go sub 10 when the conditions are good.(but maybe a white shows in the future he don't even need that pushing wind of like +(1.0-2.0)(lemaitre).or are you that type of guy that it don't mather what other people say you still will always believe what you did already.good arguments have zero function.


or are you the wheather God?, that whene a white guys can go sub 10 with good wheather and pushing wind conditions you make it evrytime a bad wind day LOL.

I'm pretty sure what charliemeant was,when awhite sprinter runs that fast, it's an anomaly.. or an outlier to their norms.

10.00 - MarianWoronin'snext9 fastest times were:10.11, 10.14, 10.14, 10.15, 10.16, 10.17, 10.17, 10.19, 10.19

10.01 - PietroMennea'snext9 fastest times were:10.15, 10.15, 10.18, 10.19, 10.19, 10.20, 10.22, 10.24, 10.24

10.03 - NicolasMacrozonaris'ssecond fastest ever time was a10.13.

10.06 - Frank Emmelmann's next 9 fastest times were:10.17, 10.18, 10.19, 10.19, 10.20, 10.21, 10.21, 10.21, 10.21

10.07 - Valeriy Borzov's next9 fastest times were:10.14, 10.14, 10.14, 10.16, 10.20, 10.21, 10.27, 10.27, 10.27

10.08 - Geir Moen's next 9 fastest times were:10.17 10.18 10.20 10.20 10.20 10.23 10.24 10.32 10.32


Right now, that 10.04 is Lemaitre's outlier. His next fastest is a10.16. Shirv is the only white sprinter with more than a single sub-10.10 under his belt.It's an anomalous, irregular event for a reason.Lemaitre's race was only the 3rd white sub-10.06 in 25 years, and only the second one at non-altitude.

CAN Lemaitre do it again?Sure..however,using historical white times as a precedent,I don't think Charlie's too far off-base in not EXPECTING it to happen again.. even if he does luck into a +2.0 tailwind.Edited by: Patriot09

 

[white lightning]

You can't compare past sprinters to todays sprinters. We have 3 different white sprinters who have went sub 10.10 this summer so far. Lemaitre, Guliyev and Collio. Pickering just missed with a 2.1 wind on his 10.08! Out of these 3 guys, 2 of the 3 are 19 years of age. They don't give a damn about what has happened in the past. I guarantee that. This is a new generation. They have confidence, swagger and the ability to render this discussion dead very soon. It will be done and it could very well happen this Friday. Everyone knows the time has come. It is so over do that it is ridiculous. Lemaitre will do it first even though I would have thought Craig would have beat him. Guliyev will get there as well.

 

[Patriot09]

If and when they do it again, I'll be a little more convinced. Until then, I can't help butsee it as a single,adrenaline-fueledevent like Jeffery Demps's 10.01 orJ-Mee Samuels's 10.08.

 

[jaxvid]

If and when they do it again, I'll be a little more convinced.  Until then, I can't help but see it as a single, adrenaline-fueled event like Jeffery Demps's 10.01 or J-Mee Samuels's 10.08.

Did you just come on this forum to piss on white sprinters too? We got one guy in this thread already doing it, two is too many. Clear?

 

[charlie180]

I'm pretty sure what charlie meant was, when a white sprinter runs that fast, it's an anomaly.. or an outlier to their norms.
<div>10.00 - Marian Woronin's next 9 fastest times were: 10.11, 10.14, 10.14, 10.15, 10.16, 10.17, 10.17, 10.19, 10.19 </div>

Thanks Patriot09, that is precisely what I mean. It is also why I think that Matt Shirvington is really under appreciated, and for me, the fastest ever white man.

Although I suppose looking at those times Woronin's was no more out of the ordinary than Macrozonaris's, Emmelmann's and Moen. Maybe the wind gauge wasn't stuck and he really did run the race of his life.

Of course this is another problem of a white man breaking 10s, if it does happen it will most likely be a one off, and seen as a fluke, much as Woronin's mark is; or worse, irrelevant. I fear that those believe that once the 10s mark is broken the floodgates will open, will be sorely disappointed and will probably have to wait a decade or more before someone else does it.

As for Collio, I wouldn't mention him in the same breath as Guliyev and Lemaitre. Collio has been running 100m for more than a decade, aged 27 his PB was 10.20. Aged 29 it is 10.06s!

Like the Greek team a few years ago, I think that the Italians are doped up. Like the Greeks they have three or four athletes running the same kind of times and between 2007/2008 they all made major leaps in their PBs. Cerutti lopped 0.16s off his SB between 07/08, Di Gregorio lopped 0.17s off his (aged 28) and 35 year old Maurizio Checcucci lopped 0.38s off his! Checcucci hadn't been under 10.5s since he was 30.

I don't think that I am being overly suspicious by thinking that this great leap forward around 2007 was achieved by unnatural means.

As for Pickering, unfortunately I think that 10.08s may well have been his one and only chance of a sub 10.1s. Almost exactly one month later he ran with a +3.0m/s wind, but only managed 10.21s.

 

[StarWars]

You can't lump all white 100m sprinters together as if they are one person. Matt Shirvington so far is the fastest white ever in the 100 meter, and if he ran more 60m he probably would have beaten Nagel's 6.48; Shirvo ran 6.52. We can agree on that. Lemaitre is more equipped for the 100 than Shirvo. Same with Guliyev. Cerutti, Di Gregorio, Collio, Pickering, Yepishin, and the majority of white sprinters are much better off with the 60 meter for some reason or another. Lemaitre has the longest stride any white sprinter could ever dream of, and closes in the last 40m of the 100m much better than Shirvo ever did.
Lemaitre and Guliyev along with the juiced Jamaican Blake are dominating their age class. They are 100/200 meter runners, and not the 50/60 meter runners that Woronin and Shirvington were. To say that a white can't break 10 sec flat wind might be a better argument Charlie, but Lemaitre and Guliyev don't need wind. They need competition. And they are like no other white sprinter you and I have ever seen, and that is what is exciting.

 

[Patriot09]

As for Pickering, unfortunately I think that 10.08s may well have been his one and only chance of a sub 10.1s. Almost exactly one month later he ran with a +3.0m/s wind, but only managed 10.21s.

Do you think Pickering would benefit bycutting down on his indoor schedule?He seems like a good, hard-working kid,but I think he may have plateau'd as well.

Usain Bolt ranthe first 60 meters in his WR Beijing 100 in6.32, and @ flat 0.0 wind. He could easilydestroyMaurice Greene's 6.39, but seems like he doesn't want it.Same with Gay and Powell. They just wanna save all their energy and focus for outdoors. Maybe Craig should consider the same.

 

[Patriot09]

Lemaitre and Guliyev along with the juiced Jamaican Blake are dominating their age class.

Probably shouldthrow10.03 Marcus Rowlandand10.04 D'Angelo Cherryinto the mix too. They alsoturned 19 this year, and wouldboth probablyalreadybesub-10 if they ran on the European circuit.

Also, Prezel Hardy, who turned 17 this year, has a 10.08 @2.2w under his belt, and 19 year old Alonso Edward has a 9.97 @ 2.3w. These burners plusChris, Ramil, and Yohan will make for some exciting andcompetitive racing these next several years.

 

[white lightning]

I would have liked to have seen Dallas Robinson keep running. He gave up track for several years, came back briefly and ran a 6.64 with ease. He also ran in the 10.25-10.30's range with little trainging. You talk about a long stride. The guy was around 6'4 or so. He ate up the track. He could have been really good if he stuck with it. The taller sprinters are going to start appearing from everywhere soon. Just watch!

 

[swampfox]

I don't know how relevent to your argument it is to list the top pb's of the white spinter and contrast it with their next best times.Half the guys on tne sub 10 hundred list only appear once and usually it is well outside their next best times. Historically accomplishing this feat has been an anomaly or atleast an outlier to norms, and still is. Jim Hines never got an electonic time close to his original 9.95 neither did Silvio Leonard the 2nd man under 10, come to think of it I don't think Calvin Smith ever went sub10 again after his 9.93.By the way if Woronin's 10.00 is dubious you better flag Calvin's too it was at an even more obscure and unwitnessed event. Another thing about having some Historical perspective. Some of those times listed above, one of Borzov's 10.14 was still good enough to medal at the olympics in '76 and another good enough for the Gold in '72. One of Woronin's times was good enough to medal at the international World Cup(Predecessor to the World Championsips) in Montreal,and as far as I can remember there were some top-flight black folk competing with them.Interestingly one name was absent :Allen Wells and he defeated and he beat some pretty good black sprinters too,apparently you don't need to hold the world record to be the best man on the line.Now the more intriguing numbers to me since '68 are these, 0.06,0.07,0.12,0.16.: the difference in seconds between the top mark ever at the time for the100m dash and the pb's of Mennea,Woronin,Borzov,and Wells.If any Caucasian was this close today we are not having a discussion we would simply be taken as equal competitors. So what I wonder is what has happened over the last quarter century has the negoid race of west-Arican descent just evolved so far past everyone else? Nietzsche couldn't have dreamed-up such supermen.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

great post, swampfox.

also, excellent handle.

 

[albinosprint]

again, great post swampfox. white lightning, I was just thinking about Dallas the other as I was watching Master. he does have a huge stride and if only he could have stuck with it, he might have been a force to reckon with. I had contacted Dallas a few time and talked to him. he told me it was just too hard to work full time and train. what a shame!