Fastest White Man (Charlie's Space)

He would never write an article saying blacks can't pole vault. Or anything to discredit his black super man he loves so much. Your a waste of time to debate with. You will be proven a liar very soon just like Jon Entine. What a worthless piece of crap book that he trys to conclude is the truth.

You want the truth. You can't handle the truth. The truth that whites can compete!
 
white lightning said:
What the hell will you do if Lemaitre beats Bolt someday? Cry like a little bitch!
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I'd go outside and eat my car, exhaust to headlight if Lemaitre beats Bolt in a WR time.

I do not root for blacks against whites, on the contrary, I tend to root for the underdog, regardless of nationality. Normally that means whites in the 100m. But at the end of the day I'd rather see a black British 100m runner do well, maybe reach a final, than see a white runner go out in the first round.

I will also be cheering on McLellan because she's Australian, and the Americans, Canadians and Jamaicans tend to dominate. She has already beaten Lolo mentally from what I saw.

As for Wariner, well he's American and they also dominate the 400m, normally black though. So I'll be rooting for Rooney.

As for Lemaitre and Guliyev, sorry to burst the bubble and everything but people said the same about Shirvington, he was 19 when he ran 10.03s. But he never managed to get the right wind/conditions and forgot to wear his lucky shorts. That was 10 years ago, almost 11.
 
white lightning said:
You will be proven a liar very soon just like Jon Entine. What a worthless piece of crap book that he trys to conclude is the truth.

You want the truth. You can't handle the truth. The truth that whites can compete!
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OK, that's just crazy, how can I be a liar by stating the facts? Believe me I wish it weren't the case, but it is.
 
For every test that comes to one hypothesis, there is another test that disputes this. There is no scientific reason why a white guy can't go sub 10? There is no test as to why he also can't eventually be a world record holder. Look at all of the cheats that we have seen just recently. For you to think that these guys are clean is insane? I'm not saying that no white sprinter has ever juiced because some have as well. What I'm saying is that it is so obvious that the fastest sprinters in the world are on the really good peds. Just like the Balco Scandal. Most never get caught.

What is exciting about Lemaitre and Guliyev is they are like Mr. Puniverse. They are so skinny and yet they run these times with no wind and make it look effortless. It's similar to Wariner. Look at his build and then look at Merrit. It's exciting when you see guys that are just a natural. Whites have been told for far too long that they can't run or jump! Alot of kids these days are finally starting to fight that myth. A myth can become reality if enough people belive in it. Lemaitre and Guliyev can change even the biggest critics minds. They can go in the 9.80's and beyond in my opinion. Once these things happen, a flood gate of new young kids will see the light.

All we have said since day one is that we can compete. There will always be alot of gifted black sprinters. I'm ready to start watching alot of equally gifted white sprinters. I'm ready for the white gold medalists. If we can win the best medals at the junior levels, there is no reason we can't eventually win at the senior levels.

Look at the effect Wariner has had on the 400. Now watch the effect of Chrisotphe and Ramil on the 100 & 200! Kids need role modes that look like themselves. It helps them to belive that anything is possible. Berlin will be special.
 
What facts? Your assertion that a white man will never break 10 seconds in the 100 meter because he has not done so before is acausal: there's no connecting principle. In the same vein, was the assertion that man would never break the four minute mile valid before a white man broke the four minute mile?

Secondly, your obsession with Egyptians (who may have very well been caucasian during the peak of their cultural development; just peruse the Metropolitan Museum of Art and observe the caucasoid facial structure of entombed mummies), Asians, and the very fact that you took the time to create a website dedicated to the disparagemnt of a paticular racial groups endevours (just imagine if you took the time to produce a website asseting blacks will never contriubute to String Theory), is proof positive that you have serious issues of self-hatred that you project unfairly upon a whole group.
 
charlie will you eat your car, exhaust to headlight if a white breaks 10? you're so sure it's not going to happen, how about you just eat the muffler? did you ever think a white would break 18m in the triple jump?you really need to pull your head out of your ass.
 
What's the matter Charlie getting worried? Lemaitre and Guliyev MUST be the exact reflection of Matt Shirvington. You're going to have a lot more to complain about soon, buddy.

People convienently forget that Matic Osovnikar (10.13 semi, 10.23 final 7th place WC Osaka) made the 100m finals in 2007. Yes, even in 2007, that's right 2007, whites can be in the handful of the fastest men in the world. People like Charlie forget that Marian Woronin ran multiple sub 10.2s to back up his 10.00, and he forgot that Pietro Mennea ran a non altitude sub 20 too. If Osovnikar was running against cleaner competition he would have done even better than 7th place, and probably would have medaled. In 2007. It is 2009, and a two white 19 year olds have run 10.04 and 10.08.

Sorry, Charlie. Sadly, and I don't use this in the way you say sadly to pretend to care about truth, white sprinters are very competitive in the 100m, and even more so in the 400m and 60m. But does any other race than whites have our creative genius, coordination, vertical leaping talent, or raw strength? Go make an article about how blacks can't read while your at it. Also, West Africans may be good sprinters, and East Africans may be good distance runners, but neither can play a sport like rugby, which requires the strength, endruance/cardio, coordination, and teamwork of a non black man and usually a white man. But again, no article on that. The only reason blacks can play football is the break between plays.Edited by: StarWars
 
Alpha Male said:
In the same vein, was the assertion that man would never break the four minute mile valid before a white man broke the four minute mile?
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That is different. No one had broken four minutes, ever. Since then blacks and whites have both achieved it. 10.00s was broken in 1968 and has been broken regularly ever since, yet never by a white man, only be blacks. Millions have tried, all have failed. Statistically speaking, surely, if it were possible a white man would have done it by now?

Every ten years or so a white man gets close (last time was Shirvington in 1998, before that Johan Rossouw in 1988, Mennea in 79 etc) and we have the same old discussions.

Alpha Male said:
Asians, and the very fact that you took the time to create a website dedicated to the disparagemnt of a paticular racial groups endevours (just imagine if you took the time to produce a website asseting blacks will never contriubute to String Theory), is proof positive that you have serious issues of self-hatred that you project unfairly upon a whole group.
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OK. I am going to stop you there. Someone said something about whites inventing everything from Chemistry to quantum physics (or something along those lines) and I pointed out that the Egyptians invented chemistry as that is where the word came from. I have no obsession with Egyptians, nor do I wish to get drawn into a racial superiority debate.

As for the website, try reading some of the other articles.
Thugs 4 Life
Kings Racist Rant Caused By Racist Whites
Muslim Firefighters

The irony is, non whites accuse me of racism, and apparently whites also think that I am racist towards whites. Surely I cannot be both?
 
Charlie actually has a head on his shoulders when he isn't talking about the 100m.
 
albinosprint said:
charlie will you eat your car, exhaust to headlight if a white breaks 10? you're so sure it's not going to happen, how about you just eat the muffler? did you ever think a white would break 18m in the triple jump?you really need to pull your head out of your ass.
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No, maybe just the furry dice. I never doubted that a white man could break 18m at the triple jump. Markov got pretty close and a Russian too in the late 80s. But I'd be surprised to see anyone break 18.29m anytime soon.
 
charlie180 said:
The main reason that I don't believe that white men will ever break 10s is because they haven't.
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Is that seriously your logic? So Usain Bolt couldn't have broken 9.7 because it had never been broken before before 2008, right? Wrong. And Lemaitre is the white equivalent of Bolt. 10.04 at 19 for Christophe Lemaitre is the third fastest ever for an official junior, and the European lead. In one week he races, then again in Berlin.

When you say whites can't be competitive with blacks, literally 2 years after Matic Osovnikar (10.13 semis, 10.23 finals 7th place Osaka WC) made the finals of the 100m, it just sounds moronic to any true track fan. Let alone the fact that most of the people if not all of them that he lost to in that final are on steroids. Why is HE not? Look at him. His times are also conceivable. So when Christophe runs 10.04, a time that can win the WC some years, and medal in most Olympics, and you dismiss it it becomes apparent you are intentionally marginalizing the talent of the white sprinter. When only 6 people on earth could beat a white man, Osovnikar, in 2007, people should have realized how close we are to the top of the bell curve in the 100m, even without steroids.
 
Not to mention, even though whites are very talented at the 100m, it is one of our worst events. We are the highest jumpers, strongest throwers, smartest people, and are very fast. Maybe 2nd if not tied for the fastest when the black athletes are clean too. We either are the best clearly, or tied for the best in every clean event except long distance (but not middle distance and especially not cardio, which we are again the best at), and never get credit for it. Every other race is either better because of "the apparent evidence in the NFL or NBA," or they should be better if they cared.

I don't need to make excuses for white people. Whites don't need excuses like blacks or colored people. Whenever technology is lost again, you better hope you're surrounded by white people. And I am truly sorry that Lemaitre, Shirvington, Osovnikar, Pickering, Guliyev, Kenteris, Mennea, Wells, Borzov, Macrozonaris, Yepishin, Wariner, and other white sprinters were ever born. It must make you feel horrible, you self-loathing prick.
 
You are very wrong about Lemaitre...Lemaitre and Shirvington are very different. For one, Lemaitre is 19 with the body of a 15 yr old, hardly any muscle, very long limbed. Shirvington at 19 was already muscled and had a adult man's pyshique , but he was short limbed (in relation to torso) and specialized in 60 -100 meters. Shirvington was built on the start and the 1st 50 meters, that is why he could never compete past 100 meters unlike Lemaitre (200 meter runner) who has the acceleration ability past 50 meters. Once Lemaitre develops into a Man's Build and starts lifting heavy weight to develop power in his torso (shoulders etc) He will run, not only sub 10, but sub 9.9!<div>
</div><div>Ramil Guliyev has the same problem (weak torso). Ramil reminds me of Michael Johnson of his running style and will more likely go sub 20 in the 200 then sub 10 in the 100.</div>
 
Welcome to the board FastEuro. I like your analysis of these guys. I agree that Lemaitre is way different than Shirvo. I see him being a superstar. He has the looks of a paperboy and the speed of only a handful of people on earth. Christophe is so raw in his ability. He doesn't even have a drive phase down yet. Ramil is a little better but they both need alot of coaching. With better form, a true drive phase and some added strength, the sky is the limit.

Charlies logic is that if it hasn't happened yet, it won't happen. Then why are world records broken every year. He needs to look at a white sub 10 like a temporary record. It will be broke and then we will start to work on going 9.9 and 9.8! You have to start somewhere. The fact that these kids can run this fast with out having the fundamentals of sprinting down pat yet, is incredible. Give them both two years and they will be talked about worldwide. I just pray that both of these kids stay healthy for their whole career. We have already seen how serious injuries have hurt Michael LeBlanc, Shane Crawford and Christian Blum just to name a few.

I really wish Ramil would have run today. I was looking forward to seeing him go for the double. Only 2 weeks to Berlin so it won't be long now. He has the question of whether to run both events or just focus on one. Lemaitre is only doing the 100. I think that is very smart. Maybe Ramil will decide to do the same thing. Whatever he decides, I will be pulling for him and Christophe as hard as I've ever rooted for anyone. Both of these teenagers are just a joy to watch run!
 
welcome aboard FastEuro! your Lemaitre / Shirvington comparison is spot-on!
 
StarWars said:
Is that seriously your logic? So Usain Bolt couldn't have broken 9.7 because it had never been broken before before 2008, right? Wrong.
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Yes. If, in 41 years time we had still been waiting for someone to break 9.7s, after millions of attempts, then I would have said it was impossible.

As for Matic Osovnikar, he wouldn't even have made the semi's in Beijing with his PB, indeed he could have had a 0.10s headstart and would still have finished last. He was just lucky that there was a slump in 2007.

You seem to believe that we are on the cusp of white sprint dominance, we are not and I am guessing this is down to your youth and naivety. You're clinging to times like 10.13s, 10.04s etc, these are slower than the times run by white athletes three decades ago. Only Lemaitre's time make the top five, at five.

You cannot compare Lemaitre to Bolt, I am not sure what Bolt was running aged 19 for the 100m, but he had a PB of 19.99s for the 200m. Lemaitre's is 20.68s and that is with almost the full legal wind.

As for the steroid argument, maybe they are, but Lemaitre could take them too but you know why he won't or why he still won't be any better? Because steroids don't seem to work, or work as well, for white athletes - they still can't run sub 10s! Worse is your assumption that whites don't cheat. You don't know whether Lemaitre is on some form of PED, you just hope he isn't.

We'll see what happens in Berlin, but if you are somehow thinking that Lemaitre is going to challenge Bolt, you are going to be sorely disappointed. I'll be very surprised if he breaks his PB.

StarWars said:
And I am truly sorry that Lemaitre, Shirvington, Osovnikar, Pickering, Guliyev, Kenteris, Mennea, Wells, Borzov, Macrozonaris, Yepishin, Wariner, and other white sprinters were ever born. It must make you feel horrible, you self-loathing prick.
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As I said, your youth talking.
 
whiteathlete33 said:
A white will eventually break the 10 second mark. Woronin already ran a 10.00. Look at how close we are.
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Yes, except that Woronin ran that time 25 years ago, and we are still no closer. Besides his time was dubious to say the least.
 
white lightning said:
What is exciting about Lemaitre and Guliyev is they are like Mr. Puniverse. They are so skinny and yet they run these times with no wind and make it look effortless. It's similar to Wariner. Look at his build and then look at Merrit. It's exciting when you see guys that are just a natural.
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Maybe that is where Pickering is going wrong. When he ran his PB he was a lot slimmer, he has put on a lot of muscle since then, perhaps trying to keep up with the black sprinters like Harry Aryteey (who's huge compared to when I saw him a few years ago - is it a coincidence that he was briefly trained by Trevor Graham?)

Maybe that is also why steriods don't seem to work out so well for whites.
 
"You seem to believe that we are on the cusp of white sprint dominance,
we are not and I am guessing this is down to your youth and naivety.
You're clinging to times like 10.13s, 10.04s etc, these are slower than
the times run by white athletes three decades ago. Only Lemaitre's time
make the top five, at five."

Exactly out point. The media's constant worship of black athletes and subsequent disparagement of white athletes coupled with outrageous anti-white recruiting policies in most of the major sports has - on a whole - psychologically shattered American white belief that they can pursue sport on a professional level. Thus, white times have not improved in the 100 meter for over three decades. My question to you is why do you get your rocks off on adding to the fire?

Also, I believe Starwars's enthusiasm was not due to their times alone; he was excited because these are young guys with tremendous potential that he can look up to.

"Yes, except that Woronin ran that time 25 years ago, and we are still
no closer. Besides his time was dubious to say the least."

Is that time any more dubious that the myriad of black track stars who ran sub 10's cleanly?
My track coach, a Jamican, stated that anyone running sub 10 was a cheat, and that down in the islands, track and steroid culture go hand in hand.

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I agree with Alpha Male. I know very little about spriting but get excited hearing about some of these young white sprinters. We do have some world class sprinters and eventually one will break the 10 second barrier.
 
Charlie likes to stir the pot. On one hand he wills say he is rooting for it to happen. Then he comes back in another post saying it will never happen and that it is impossible. It's clear to me that Charlie is anti-white unless they are a sprinter that runs for England. Even then, it is probably very hard for him to root for a guy like Pickering. I have been to his site. Why is Tiger so popular in Golf? One because he is very good. Two because he is a black man playing in a pre dominantly white sport. Three because the media is also behind him.

My question to you guys is that when Christophe breaks through(and he will), will the media give him even half the publicity that Tiger gets? I doubt it. Even if he won a gold medal in 2012, he will probably be more like Wariner where only hard core track fans know who he is. That is because of the anti white hatred that is every where these days. Well like it or not, these guys are going to change the way people think. They will succeed as long as they stay hungry and keep pushing all the way to the top. Kids will want to be the next Lemaitre or the next Guliyev. This could be some peoples worst nightmare. Whites in bigger numbers getting back into track. I've been waiting for this day for a long time. We need numbers at every level to be more competetive. We also need white sprinter role models. We have 2 great ones at the moment!

I for one am going to enjoy the ride. Hold on to your seat belts guys. It is going to be one fast ride. These guys are heading for the medals by 2012. To all of the haters and negative people out there. DEAL WITH IT! Your worst nightmare has come true!Edited by: white lightning
 
white lightning said:
It's clear to me that Charlie is anti-white unless they are a sprinter that runs for England.
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I have to admit that rooting for a Frenchman is tantamount to blasphemy. Nevertheless, I shall be cheering him on, albeit quietly and with my doors and windows shut.

white lightning said:
Even then, it is probably very hard for him to root for a guy like Pickering.
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I do find Pickering frustrating, but maybe, as you have mentioned before, there are other reasons for his constant down heartedness. I have also thought that he is perhaps too nice for sprinting. But I always root for him over other British athletes, because he seems like such a nice fellow.

white lightning said:
My question to you guys is that when Christophe breaks through(and he will), will the media give him even half the publicity that Tiger gets?
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Despite my believing it more than a little unlikely, I have also wondered whether the press will mention things like the fastest white man, or the first white man under 10s should Lemaitre achieve it. I don't think they will.

Anyone mentioning it, especially the athlete, is likely to be criticised for bringing race into the issue. It is just not 'cool' to mention being the first white man to achieve something in a black dominated arena.

Also one has to wonder about a white athlete called The Master beating black athletes, surely that is going to raise some eyebrows?
 
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