Early look at 2011 NFL draft

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Harding University WR Kurt Adams, mentioned previously in this thread, gets a mini-writeup on the NFL's website.

Wide receiver Kurt Adams of Harding College[sic] looked very good. Adams was not a guy who was listed any place but his performance should get him a free-agent contract. Adams stood 6-foot-4 3/8-inches, and 197 pounds. He ran 4.52 and 4.55 in the 40-yard dash, had a 33.6-inch vertical jump, 9-5 broad jump, 4.52 short. 7.02 3-cone drill, and did 13 reps on the bench press.
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He doesn't say who thought Adams looked good. I can't even find which teams sent representatives to ASU. But I have to believe it wouldn't be mentioned on the NFL website unless at least one scout told him he liked the way Adams looked.
Brandt is probably correct, though. Despite better measurables and game film than plenty of D1A affletes, Adams will likely do no better than a free agent contract.
 

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we see these stories year after year, yet the "experts" keep insisting that collegiate "talent" scouts and coaches (and for that matter NFL general managers and coaches, as well)make evaluations basedSOLELY on talent. they also insist that if you are talented, then they will find you ...
so please, will someone tell me why none of the players i'm about to list were recruited by or played for those alleged talent-hungry programs?

for example, the below blurb regarding Baldwin-Wallace College's (Division III)Keith Darbut demonstrates how blatant the Caste System'slie truly is.

Darbut puts up MONSTER numbers at Pro Day.
March 17, 2011
Our jaws dropped at the workout put up by Baldwin-Wallace DE #10 Keith Darbut (6041, 229) when he benched 26 reps, ran a 4.38 40-yard dash, 1.42 10-yard, 38-inch vertical, 10'6 broad jump, 4.45 short shuttle, and 7.28 3-cone. Because of that we have done some digging on him and below is what we found out.

Darbut is from Miami, Florida and was relatively quiet his first three years because of no coaching consistency. He's had three defensive line coaches and two defensive coordinators in his career.

He was a first-team All-OAC selection and named defensive lineman of the year in the OAC in 2010. His 43 tackles, 15 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks, 11 quarterback hurries, two fumble recoveries, two forced fumbles, and 40-yard touchdown reception show he makes plays in plenty of different ways.

Because he is very lean and fast, he likely won't play end in the NFL but his athleticism should allow him to convert to rush outside linebacker.

and remember, Keith Darbut played at Division III where they don't even offer athletic scholarships. i "wonder" why this Miami speedster wasn't recruited by in-town Miami University? it certainly wasn't because he couldn't meet the "rigorous" academic and moral/ethical standards that they require.
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the defensive end's 40-yard touchdown catch is the first play on the below highlight video.

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26URr4otNQ[/tube]
 

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or how about Tyler Beiler the touchdown-compiler? (please note that i copyrighted that nickname!
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Beiler,a 6-foot tall wide receiver atDivision III's Bridgewater College, flashed impressive athletic measurables at James Madison Pro Day.
The road from Division III college football to the NFL is a long one, but it's a trek Bridgewater wide receiver Tyler Beiler is hoping to make.
Beiler, the ODAC offensive player of the year and a Division III All-American in 2010, was among the six players to work out for scouts from five NFL teams Wednesday at James Madison ...
The Browns, Ravens, Raiders, Buccaneers and Falcons had scouts on hand Wednesday ...

"It's judgment day," said Beiler, who led the country in all-purpose yards per game as a senior.
"I've been working hard. The last three months I've been putting all my time and energy into this day right here," he said. "Just to get my name out there more, create a little buzz."
Beiler succeeded in creating a buzz, at least inside the weight room at the Plecker Athletic Performance Center, with a 40.5-inch vertical jump, the best of the day.
Beiler also did 15 reps on the 225-pound bench press, and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.39 seconds, a time matched by Turner as the day's best.

per Bridgewater College's athletic website:
Beiler led the nation in all-purpose yards and receiving yards per game, adding to numerous postseason honors.
In the receiving yards per game category, Beiler topped the likes of ODAC foe Earl Peoples of Randolph-Macon and Mount Union's Cecil Shorts, who ESPN's Mel Kiper has listed as high as No. 5 among senior wide receivers for April's NFL Draft. Beiler averaged 134.2 yards per games, topping Hardin-Simmons' ZaVious Robbins by over seven yards per game, and ranks fourth nationally in the NCAA.
Aside from his receiving acumen, Beiler was also tops in all-purpose yards per game. At a 204.8 yards per game clip, Beiler was fourth among all divisions in the category.
Beiler was named to the AP Little All-American team in December, in a compilation of the best players from Division II/III and NAIA. He was also named the winner of the Willie Lanier Award as the state of Virginia's top small college football player. He also was named the state Player of the Year by the Virginia Sports Information Directors and the Roanoke Times.
On top of his Virginia awards, Beiler was also named the South Region Player of the Year by D3Football.com, and was a first team All-American selection by D3Football.com.
it should be noted that while Beiler was an obvious choice as a D3 first team All-American, his inclusion to the AP Little All-American team was even more of an honor, as he made it over the more highly touted (and more importantly blacker) Cecil Shorts.

the 4.3 speed and insane vertical leaps of Tyler Beiler and Keith Darbut indicate that they have a "little bit" of talent. so, could someone who doesn't believe the Caste System is real PLEASE explain to me whythey didn't attend more prestigious collegiate programs ON SCHOLARSHIP?

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Tyler Beiler the touchdown-compiler routinely outruns "real" affletes, but can he overcome the Caste System?Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood
 

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the small-school stories could probably last all day ... if i had enough time to do the research, that is. it's not likeTyler Beiler the touchdown-compiler (above) and Keith Darbut (last post previous page) are alone. NFL-caliber talent is abundant at the lower levels of collegiate football ... despite the oft-repeated mantra that bigtime programs will seek out talent no matter where it is. "weird," huh?

scouts from 29 pro teams were at Northwestern's Pro Day, whereit was a couple of small-school kids who made the biggest splash.
A couple of long shots whom scouts were buzzing about were North Central linebacker Matt Wenger, who ran a 4.58 at 233 pounds, and St. Xavier wide receiver Mike Maher, who showed excellent quickness in the shuttles.

while i couldn't confirm the exact numbers that Maher put up, i did find this article at the school's website that says Maher was one of only 3 wideouts who was invited to return for the afternoon workout and has been requested to attend a private workout for the Chicago Bears.

here's a look at Maher's resume:
Maher wrapped up his impressive collegiate career last December by setting several of Saint Xavier's single-season marks including 116 receptions, 1,470 receiving yards, 20 receiving touchdowns, 23 total touchdowns, 2,110 all-purpose yards and two kickoff returns for touchdowns. He also set several SXU career records with 349 receptions, 4,487 receiving yards, 48 receiving touchdowns, 51 total touchdowns and 5,954 all-purpose yards.

how exactly does Matt Wenger, a 6-foot, 233-pound linebacker, end up at D3 North Central College? that's a good question, because he sure looked like a man amongst boys en route to being named a D3 first team All-American and the D3 National Defensive Player of the Year. "weird." he runs a 4.5, and he completely dominates, yet he supposedly doesn't have any talent ... how exactly does that work, anyhow?

or how about D3 Wittenberg University's Eddie Vallery? an outstanding linebacker who was 2009's National Defensive Player of the Year after recording 16.5 sacks and 22 tackles-for-loss, Vallery managed to be named an All-American again despite being seriously injured in the preseason. i wonder if he has any talent?

the list could go on and on and on ...
 

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Jimmy, Keith Darbut's closing speed is superhuman. It's impossible to fathom just how many tens of thousands of white football players with his electrifying speed are playing DII and DIII football (or never played college football). Nice find.
 

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I saw were afroletic WRs AJ Green & JuliYo Jones "aced" the Wonderlic...knocking down eye-popping scores of 10 & 15 respectively. Now watch these two intellectual giants get snatched up in the 1st round.
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I am going to try and get these kids info and measurables out, espescially Beiler with the 4.3 speed. Maybe one or two dwfs will wake up and ask why is Cecil Shorts (d3) being drafted and not him, and why is Nate Kmic still sitting at home. It seems if you are white and from a small school you have to have insane measurables and stats to even get a tryout (Woodhead). Can't have insane stats and decent speed (Kmic who is in the 4.5 range versus Westbrook who ran a 4.56). If you have great measurables and above average stats they will do their best to hide it, and if it is reported you are considered a workout warrior.

1200 receiving yards in only 9 games last year.
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DixieDestroyer said:
I saw were afroletic WRs AJ Green & JuliYo Jones "aced" the Wonderlic...knocking down eye-popping scores of 10 & 15 respectively. Now watch these two intellectual giants get snatched up in the 1st round.
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here's a link to the story Dixie mentioned, the link courtesy of DraftDaddy.

some highlights ... or lowlights, as it were:

everybody's "#1 lock at cornerback," LSU's Patrick Peterson scored an "amazing" 9.
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that's out of a possible 50, i might add.

South Carolina's Chris Culliver also tied for the lowest score among the defensive backs ... of 9.
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the lowest score at the Combine was recorded by Florida offensive tackle Carl Johnson ... with a 6. wow. what an incredible "student" athlete.
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Oklahoma State running back Kendall Hunter with a single-digit score, with a 9. such an affletic score.
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what do all theseborderline-retards have in common? besides their room-brightening smiles, i mean. hmmm ...
 

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DixieDestroyer said:
I saw were afroletic WRs AJ Green & JuliYo Jones "aced" the Wonderlic...knocking down eye-popping scores of 10 & 15 respectively. Now watch these two intellectual giants get snatched up in the 1st round.
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Dixie, they could have scored 0's and still would get picked in the first round.
 

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Harding University WR Kurt Adams, mentioned previously in this thread, gets a mini-writeup on the NFL's website.



Wide receiver Kurt Adams of Harding College[sic] looked very good. Adams was not a guy who was listed any place but his performance should get him a free-agent contract. Adams stood 6-foot-4 3/8-inches, and 197 pounds. He ran 4.52 and 4.55 in the 40-yard dash, had a 33.6-inch vertical jump, 9-5 broad jump, 4.52 short. 7.02 3-cone drill, and did 13 reps on the bench press.

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He doesn't say who thought Adams looked good. I can't even find which teams sent representatives to ASU. But I have to believe it wouldn't be mentioned on the NFL website unless at least one scout told him he liked the way Adams looked.

Brandt is probably correct, though. Despite better measurables and game film than plenty of D1A affletes, Adams will likely do no better than a free agent contract.

This guy's friend is all over different message boards trying to get his name out there. He says the 4.5 time is wrong, and that he talked to a Packer's scout who had him at 4.43, said he was there and heard the time, there is a youtube clip of him running a 4.36 a while back. It wouldn't surprise me if they found the scout with the slowest times on his watch. This guy is confused as to why his friend isn't getting as much interest as other players (who just happen to be black). He was told his friend needed to bulk up and that was the reason. The guy only needs to get to 210 or 215, which wont be that hard. Ed McCaffrey was 215 at 6'5 and didn't snap in half (well his leg did but that wasn't because of his weight). Adrian Arrington was drafted in the 7th at 6'3 192 pounds, came out early with average production, like 800 yards rec last year, ran a 4.55, was never considered a burner. Apparenlty, the Seahawks, Packers and Texans stayed to talk with Adams 1 on 1. He ran track in high school. According to his friend:

He was the state 200 meter champion and runner up 100 meter champ. In
college he ran the 400 his freshman year, had 1100 yards his sophomore
and decided to focus only on class and football.
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is West Liberty's Ryan Travis the next Dallas Clark? he sure looks like it, to me ...

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEUT16_0wiM[/tube]

Travis has similar size (6-2, 242-pounds), is a former tailback/receiver-turned-tight end (he ran for 1,321 yards and 27 touchdowns as an all-state player in high school), and he can flat out catch the ball ... this season Travis caught an NCAA-best 126 passes (12.6 per-game) for 1,402 yards (his 140 yards-per-game led Division II), and 15 touchdowns. that's in just 10 games, people.
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just to add to his resume, Ryan Travis is a two-time first-team Division II All-American. he caught at least 10 passes in every game this fall. his 126 catches and 12.6 catches-per-game average each rank #2 all-time on the NCAA Division II single-season receiving list. his 15 TD catches ties the NCAA Division II single-season record for tight ends. his 285 career catches are the fifth-highest total for any NCAA Division II receiver in history, and he leaves West Liberty as the school's career leader in catches, receiving yards (3,228) and receiving touchdowns (34). not bad for a kid that received ONE scholarship offer coming out of high school.

here are a couple of stories that reveal just how gifted Travis is: Ryan Travis leads NCAA in receptions.

Travis turning scouts' heads at West Liberty.

just to appease the NFL types, he's not only productive ... he's also physically impressive. Travis performed at Akron's Pro Day, where he ran a 4.65 and a 4.66 in the 40, 1.45 10-yard, 2.67 20-yard, 33-inch vertical, 9'2 broad jump, 4.49 short shuttle, 6.93 3-cone, and 22 bench press reps.
 

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here's a complimentary article on Mark Schiechl, a defensive end/linebacker from the Colorado School of Mines (first mentioned here at Caste Football by snow, i believe). below are some excerpts:

Having wrestled with more than his share of migraine-inducing equations as he grinds toward a degree from the Colorado School of Mines, Marc Schiechl knows how things add up.
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He gets the math, all right.


"One," he said. "That's all you need. One team, one coach, one scout, just one person who believes in what you can do. That's all I'm trying to do, is find that one team that believes in what I can do, because I believe it."


If the words come out of Schiechl's mouth in a level tone, if his gaze is steady, and it was, it's probably because he's done this before. He's taken one and made it add up to something bigger.


After all, Mines was the only school that offered Schiechl a chance to play football after he graduated from Bear Creek High School. Five years later, that one chance equals the only three-time All-American in the school's football history and the all-time NCAA Division II leader in career sacks with 46 ...

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And while many of the draft's more celebrated prospects have spent months at some well-appointed Sun Belt workout complex, Schiechl has continued to work through the final three classes he needs for his degree this semester as he prepares for the draft.


"I'm almost finished with those and I'll graduate," Schiechl said. "If (football) doesn't work out, I'll be looking at mechanical engineering, but I'd like to be in the field so I'm not stuck in an office all day.


"But I'll see about football first, see if there is somebody out there who wants to bring me in. I don't need 32 teams to like me â€" that would be great â€" but I only need one."
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The first rule of thumb many scouts have when looking at football players from non-BCS programs is whether those players were dominant. Colorado School of Mines defensive end Marc Schiechl certainly qualifies. A look at school records he set at Mines.


Career sacks: 46*


Sacks in a season: 13 1/2 (2007, 2008)


Sacks in a game: 4 (New Mexico Highlands, 2007)


Career tackles for loss: 70 1/2


Tackles for loss in a season: 21 (2008)


Tackles for loss in a game: 4 1/2 (New Mexico Highlands, 2007)


*NCAA Division II record
junior year highlights:
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PdK1PsafbA[/tube]
 

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finally, we have a legitimate (albeit premature) comparison to Ricky Proehl ... only from a smaller college program.

like Proehl, UC Davis wideout Sean Creadick is a shade over 6-feet, and he's incredibly quick but not overly fast. Creadick posted good numbers at the UC Davis Pro Day: measured in at 6006, 203 pounds, ran a 4.60 and 4.60 40-yard dash.his 10-yardsplit was a blazing1.50, showing he hasimpressive short area explosiveness. he had a 2.57 20-yard, 35 ½ inch vertical, 9'9 broad jump, 4.09 short shuttle, 6.67 3-cone, and 16 bench reps.

despite collegiate numbers that don't jump off the page at you (he led his team in every receiving category in 2010), you can see some of his ability in the below two video compilations; the second is of 1-on-1's in practice. dude is a SICK route-runner.
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR59hrabSFk[/tube]

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLC3y2r-TQw[/tube]
 

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Great post Jimmy, how about those moves one on one?
Just incredible imagine how quick he would be if he had "fast twitch muscles."
 

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the small-schoolers are everywhere. consider Northwood University's linebacker Andrew DeWeerd. at 6-1, 221-pounds, he ran a 4.56 and 4.57 in the 40-yard dash. He had a 1.57 10-yard, 2.64 20-yard, 35 ½ inch vertical, 10'4 broad jump, 4.29 short shuttle, 7.00 3-cone, and did 14 reps. pretty good numbers for an "overachieving, blue collar, gym rat," says i.
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or take a look at a couple of Wisconsin kids who weren't "talented" enough to playfor Wisconsin ...

UW-Stout defensive end Justin Rindt. Rindt (6-3, 267-pounds) put up the following numbers at Wisconsin's Pro Day: ran a 4.72 and 4.76 in the 40, had a 1.67 10-yard split, 2.69 20-yard, 31 1/2-inch vertical, 9'2 broad jump, 4.50 short shuttle, 7.56 3-cone, and did 25 bench reps. as much as NFL types talk about initial explosion for pass rushers, Rindt's personal best 10-yard burst of 1.54 is on youtube.

Wisconsin-Whitewater tackling machine (aka linebacker/strong safety) Lane Olson (5-8, 203-pounds) not only put up impressive defensive statistics, he posted eye-popping numbers at the Wisconsin Pro Day, as well. he ran a 4.45 and 4.50 in the 40, had a 1.52 10-yard, 2.55 20-yard, 4.08 short-shuttle (he has even better times on youtube), 6.46 3-cone, 10'4 broad jump, and a 38-inch vertical. of course, he'll likely be considered "undersized" unlike perennial "defensive MVP-candidate" Bob Sanders.i can onlyimagine what he could do if he had "talent."
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how exactly did these guys end up at D3, anyway?
 

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Jimmy, you are a pool of knowledge. Great finds as always.

It's truly a sick joke that not even 1 D1 program could offer these guys.
 

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Brett Brackett put up impressive pro day numbers,running a 4.61 and running another time in the 4.6s aswell as running a 4.74 3 cone impressive for a guy 6'5 and 250.That time would have put him 12th at the combine amongst WRs(4 white players ahead)so his numbers are up their and beat out many of the nations vaunted Black prospects.

Another underatted defender Karl Klug put up good workout numbers running 2 times in the 4.7s though NFL.com which usually rounds up the times of white atletes have him running in the low 4.8 range.At 275 he ran an outstanding 7.01 3 cone drill.Some scouts see him as a big linebacker at the next level and he certainly has the athleticism to play the position.He's someone the Patriots should look out for in the later rounds as a value pick and would probably be an improvement from potential bust Cunningham.

Another small school guy with top notch measurables is OLB Ross Cochran.HT 6'1 ,WT 243, 40 4.63 ,Shuttle 3.87, 3 cone 6.68, broad 10'4 and 30 bp reps.He was most probably a beastly high school running back that had to make the position change as his agility numbers are off the charts for a guy his size at any position.
 

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Their dosnt seem to be anything on the main pro day blog sites ( not suprising) but Iowa ILB Jeff Tarpinian apparently run a 4.48 40 according to someone who was their.He's a good player and great athlete thats been unlucky throughout his career with injuries aswell as being a backup to other strong players.Guys like Tarpinian and Werner with all the tools to be solid players at the next level are not talked about as potential late round picks whereas Hunter and Mouton,guys that are less athletic and productive are seen as potential late round grabs.
 

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I really hope that the Patriots will take him. If they really do need someone to take the lid off of the D. Who could be better, we know that BB will give him a fare shake. I can't say that I am surprised he was so fast though, when I watched his Highlights the first thing that I noticed was that he was constantly under thrown. What a day for a great player! With this work out I think he just worked himself into the 3rd round!
 

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Kris Durham Runs a 4.43 Wow what a player, great job. Out did AJ Green. Bench pressed 225 pounds 17 times and posted a 35-inch vertical leap and a 10-1 broad jump. He turned in a 4.09 short shuttle.

That's excellent speed and shows that he's more than just a "possession receiver." A 35 inch vertical is a pretty nice number as well.
 

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No kidding. The kid can flat out play! Anyone that was trying to call him a possession receiver is just insane. This kid can take the lid off of a D. I wish him all the best wherever he ends up, of course. But OH would I LOVE to see him on the Pats. Woodhead, Welker, Durham, Edleman, Brady. WOW a man can dream!
 

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"Another small school guy with top notch measurables is OLB Ross Cochran.HT 6'1 ,WT 243, 40 4.63 ,Shuttle 3.87, 3 cone 6.68, broad 10'4 and 30 bp reps.He was most probably a beastly high school running back that had to make the position change as his agility numbers are off the charts for a guy his size at any position."
Cochran attended Bradford high school in Kenosha. He was 6'0 210 as a senior and to my knowledge he's always played OLB. He's a kid who has always had the speed but was a little undersized and blossomed to his full potential once he was in a college program. Go figure
 

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JC Lane Olson attended high school at Racine Horlick the same school that former Badger Chris Maragos attended. The Wisconsin D3 schools get a lot of white talent that get ignored by the D1 schools. I guess high schools in Wisconsin have the reputation of being too white
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Edit* I should add that it just doesn't happenin Wisconsin. White kids from all around the country get categorized into being not athletic enough by the big schools and the scouts just don't visit. How many times have we seen our athletes put up monster numbers and have the production you would think D1 schools would covet but they're still not good enough.Instead they go after their level of competition and what class football they played in. If they happen to play at a high school with high enrollment they try water down their assesments saying they are "blue collar" or "overachievers". The NCAA should be at the very least 40-50% white. Edited by: celticdb15
 

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Kris Durham Runs a 4.43 Wow what a player, great job. Out did AJ Green. Bench pressed 225 pounds 17 times and posted a 35-inch vertical leap and a 10-1 broad jump. He turned in a 4.09 short shuttle.

That's excellent speed and shows that he's more than just a "possession receiver." A 35 inch vertical is a pretty nice number as well.

yeah it was pretty obvious that he was a burner from watching him play. Of course for some reason that doesn't matter for white players. He had his man beat pretty often, but usually had to slow down/stop or adjust for a poorly thrown ball, rarely hit in stride, there are two plays in this that he was hit in stride and takes it to the house. I wonder what excuse they will come up with for a white player that routinely beat dbs in the SEC (supposedly the best conference), who has the rare combo of being really tall as well as 4.4 speed.


[TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jphhv_vzEfc[/TUBE] I think if he can stay healthy, could possibly be better than Riley Cooper (who could be a pro bowler imo if they utilized him correctly).

Both of these guys have the potential to be legit number 1 receivers, but the NFL wants us to think that white guys are just guys that play in the slot, if they are short, then they are quick and get by on their "smarts" and finding the holes in coverage. If they are big then they are just lumbering guys that go across the middle and get the crap knocked out of them. These guys could be much more than that, guys that can stretch the field just like Matt Jones. Hopefully they aren't used like Matt Jones who was misused as a possession receiver. Could you imagine Randy Moss running posession routes? when he has he has looked very average.

Im still not sold on Riley's 4.5 time at the combine, Adams friend was at the pro day where the guy said he ran a 4.43 but the website put 4.5something. His agent sent him the correction but they haven't changed it.
 
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