Early look at 2011 NFL draft

[SuperSpeed23]

I wasnt aware he was considered a mid round pick wa33. I assumed like the other white recievers in the draft he was being thought of as a late rounder at best.

 

[TheAnimal]

btw, I highly doubt Newton ran a 4.59, something fishy is up with that, probably more around 4.6-4.62. It just sounds better when it is sub 4.6 because 4.59 will become 4.5 when people talking about him in the future, after he gains 20 pounds of fat in the offseason like Jamarcus they probably will still say "This is an explosive athlete, hes 6'5 270 pounds and ran a blazing 4.5."

Something is definitely fishy, read on:

Nevada's Colin Kaepernick came in second at 4.53 seconds, followed by
Washington's Jake Locker and Auburn's Cam Newton, both at 4.59. (The unofficial 4.52 that was originally reported for Locker has been changed, according to NFL.com, to an official 4.59.)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/27/tyrod-taylor-tops-kaepernick-locker-newton-as-combines-fastest-qb/

You read that right, AFTER the NFL reported that Locker had ran a 4.52 in the 40 they changed it to 4.59.... AFTER overhyped black quarterbacks Kaepernick and sCam ran their 40's. I'd say affirmative action at the Combine is official at this point.


Also I would like to point out two things that a user on that"news" site also pointed out there, 1: Jake Locker ran a 4.52 the first time and his second run was a 4.53. Neither one are anywhere near 4.59. 2nd: Newton reportedly ran 4.60 which turned into the same 4.59 they saddled Locker with. Notice the rub? They grafted the black quarterback with a higher 40 time than he actually ran while lowered BOTH of Lockers 40 times to slower than he actually ran.
Edited by: TheAnimal

 

[Riddlewire]

If I'm understanding the NFL's website correctly, Maehl set a combine record for the 3Cone drill at 6.42. Sanzenbacher was right behind him at 6.46. Maehl was also second in the short shuttle with a 3.94 and Sanzenbacher was third with a 3.97 (Pettis finished first with a 3.88).
These measurements are far more important for a wide receiver than the worthless '40'.
I can't seem to find any evaluations of the receivers' workouts by the usual scouts. All they want to talk about is the Quarterbacks (except for Stanzi, who I haven't seen mentioned anywhere).

 

[whiteathlete33]

Polynesian defensive lineman Stephen Paea had a whopping 49 reps on the bench press. That's insane! At least it wasn't an afflete or we'd have to hear about how he's going to "revolutionize" the position.

 

[northwinds]

Despite posting a terrible forty time for a RB.....Mark Ingram "still impresses".....LMAO:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/621555-nfl-combine-2011-the-latest-on-mark-ingram-julio-jones-and-more/entry/50002-2011-nfl-combine-results-mark-ingram-impresses-despite-slow-40-time

 

[TheAnimal]

Caste clown Evan Silva of Rotohomos at it again:

Oregon State defensive tackle Stephen Paea is unable to run or
perform on-field drills due to arthroscopic knee surgery underwent in
January. So he had one, solitary focus entering the 2011 Scouting
Combine:


Bench press 225 pounds as many times as possible.


Paea more than aced the test, breaking the Combine record with 49
reps of 225. The previous mark was shared by current Giants guard Mitch
Petrus, and NFL washouts Leif Larsen and Mike Kudla.


Unlike Larsen and Kudla â€" who had 45 reps of 225 â€" Paea can play. He
twice won the Morris Trophy as the Pac-10"²s top defensive lineman,
piling up 29.5 career tackles for loss and 14 sacks despite facing
constant double teams.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/27/oregon-states-paea-breaks-combine-bench-press-record/


Leif Larsen was a starter until he retired to pursue a boxing career. Also was a shot putter and all around elite ATHLETE. Funny, a guy who retires while a starter "can't play" but a midget sumo who has never even played in the NFL can. Very interesting, no?







Edited by: TheAnimal

 

[TheAnimal]

Fullback Anthony Sherman UConn just ran the 40..but his time was NEVER posted on the screen?? Why?...up next Vailala Taua ran...the list him at 4.62??

I'm guessing "fullback" Anthony Sherman aced the 40 just like he leads the "legit" RB's in the bench press with 32 reps.

Edit: In fact i'm searching right now and cannot even find a reported 40 time for him anywhere.

Edit #2: According to a Uconn blog Shermans reported 40 time is 4.7.

http://blogs.courant.com/uconn_football/2011/02/lloyd-lutrus-and-wilson-set-to.html




Edited by: TheAnimal

 

[snow]

Despite posting a terrible forty time for a RB.....Mark Ingram "still impresses".....LMAO:
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<div>http://bleacherreport.com/articles/621555-nfl-combine-2011-the-latest-on-mark-ingram-julio-jones-and-more/entry/50002-2011-nfl-combine-results-mark-ingram-impresses-despite-slow-40-time</div>

Yes they are gushing over his 1.53 10 yard split talking about his explosive burst will make him a top back. Funny how that was never mentioned for Jacob Hester who had a 1.5 even 10 yard split, also ran over the SEC and helped his team win a national championship.

 

[celticdb15]

I don't consider Paea a "sumo". The kid can flat out play and he has elite strength.

 

[TheAnimal]

Some more updates. Current top performers at the combine in the bench press right now:

3rd: Bruce Miller, DE, C. Florida(35 reps)
4th: J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin(34 reps)
7th: Zach Taylor, OT, Utah(33 reps)
10th: Ross Homan, OLB, Ohio St.(33 reps)
10th: Anthony Sherman, RB, Conn.(32 reps)
12th: Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB, Purdue(31 reps)
12th: Kristofer O'Dowd, OT, USC(31 reps)

Seven out of the top 15 are White, 1 Poly and 5 affletes. Not a surprise.

In the vertical jump, coming in at 11th is Ryan Whalen, WR at Stanford with a 38.5 broad jump.

In the three cone drill....

1st: Jeff Maehl, WR, Oregon(6.42- A RECORD breaker!)
2nd: Dane Sanzenbacher, WR, Ohio St.(6.46)
11th: Ryan Whalen again(6.67)

In the 20 yard shuttle....
2nd: Jeff Maehl, WR, Oregon(3.94)
3rd: Dane Sanzenbacher, WR, Ohio St.(3.97)
5th: Jordan Cameron, TE, USC(4.03)
11th: Christian Ponder, QB, Florida St.(4.09)
11th: Ryan Whalen AGAIN!(4.09)

60 yard shuttle...
1st: Jeff Maehl, WR, Oregon(10.88)
2nd: Dane Sanzenbacher, WR, Ohio St.(10.94)
11th: Ryan Whalen YET AGAIN!(11.21)

Now the reason I keep saying Ryan Whalen again and again is because per the NFL websites personnel experts: "Whalen is a hard worker with good size, but he lacks the physical tools
to be a contributor at the next level. He does not have breakaway speed
and he is a bit stiff in the hips which slows him down in and out of
breaks. He will not be able to separate in man coverage(....) Whalen's limited upside makes him a later round pick. "

I mean, the kid is such a slow useless bum he's top 15 in multiple categories tailored to gauge oh I dunno say a WR's speed and ability. Heck, this big slow dummy even broke a combine record in a speed drill in spite of being ultra slow.

Btw, also per the NFL's "experts", Dane Sanzenbacher: "He lacks ideal speed and suddenness,"

In spite of being TOP THREE in three different speed drills. In spite of running a 4.43 40 while at Ohio State, unofficially of course. Naturally there's no info available yet on what his official combine 40 was, but i'm sure it's coming soon.

So far no official 40 times for Ryan Whalen nor Jeff Maehl either, btw. Though unofficially Maehl has ran a 4.44 40 before. I'm pretty certain despite somehow cleaning up in three seperate drills all three will officially come in at 4.6 or slower by the same experts who grafted a 4.52 and 4.53 into a 4.59 while also counting a 4.6 as a 4.59.

 

[Toby Hillis]

A 4.62 40 plus a 3.94 shuttle means Maehl has INSANE agility and short area quickness. He has similar measurables to McCluster. Lets see if he gets drafted in the early 2nd like Dexter did; I'm gonna bet on "NO SHOT!"



I wanted to add, could you imagine if Quizz Rodgerswas white with his size and 40 time?!?! MAYBE D3 and no question undrafted. It's days like today that I really hate DWFs and the Caste System.Edited by: Toby Hillis

 

[Deadlift]

I don't consider Paea a "sumo". The kid can flat out play and he has elite strength.

A "White" Stephen Paea would be labeled with the "short-arm stigma".... same thing with current Florida Gator tub-o-lard Omar Hunter, a "5-star" - if he were White. Just sayin.

 

[Don Wassall]

I enjoyed watching Cam Newtonmiss his receiver on two of three simple sideline patterns during one drillby throwing a good ten feet over their head. It was great entertainment by the self-proclaimed "entertainer" but for some reason the NFL Network announcers had nothing to say about it.

The common black deficiency in hand-eye coordination is obviously a problem with the "entertainer/icon", but it's taboo to mention any of many often encountered black deficiencies, one must instead revel over and over againat their speed and "athleticism" (which often consists only of speed) while also taking delight in their smiles and charisma.

 

[white is right]

Could somebody recommend some bran flakes for Mark Ingram his 4.6X 40 is pretty pedestrian for a early first round lock. Maybe they can bulk him up to play fullback.....

 

[Pegasus]

You read that right, AFTER the NFL reported that Locker had ran a 4.52 in the 40 they changed it to 4.59.... AFTER overhyped black quarterbacks Kaepernick and sCam ran their 40's. I'd say affirmative action at the Combine is official at this point.


Also I would like to point out two things that a user on that"news" site also pointed out there, 1: Jake Locker ran a 4.52 the first time and his second run was a 4.53. Neither one are anywhere near 4.59. 2nd: Newton reportedly ran 4.60 which turned into the same 4.59 they saddled Locker with. Notice the rub? They grafted the black quarterback with a higher 40 time than he actually ran while lowered BOTH of Lockers 40 times to slower than he actually ran.

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</div><div>The Locker's 4.52 and Newton's 4.60 were was the unofficial hand times. The 4.59's was the official electronic, "photo-finish" times. Nine times out of 10, the hand time is faster than the official electronic time.</div>

 

[Pegasus]

Btw, also per the NFL's "experts", Dane Sanzenbacher: "He lacks ideal speed and suddenness,"

In spite of being TOP THREE in three different speed drills. In spite of running a 4.43 40 while at Ohio State, unofficially of course. Naturally there's no info available yet on what his official combine 40 was, but i'm sure it's coming soon.

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</div><div>Unless you're in the Top 15, they don't report the official time. Only the teams get that information.</div><div>
</div><div>His unofficial best was 4.59.</div><div>
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</div><div>http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011-nfl-combine-results-wide-receivers/</div>
Edited by: Pegasus

 

[snow]

You read that right, AFTER the NFL reported that Locker had ran a 4.52 in the 40 they changed it to 4.59.... AFTER overhyped black quarterbacks Kaepernick and sCam ran their 40's. I'd say affirmative action at the Combine is official at this point.


Also I would like to point out two things that a user on that"news" site also pointed out there, 1: Jake Locker ran a 4.52 the first time and his second run was a 4.53. Neither one are anywhere near 4.59. 2nd: Newton reportedly ran 4.60 which turned into the same 4.59 they saddled Locker with. Notice the rub? They grafted the black quarterback with a higher 40 time than he actually ran while lowered BOTH of Lockers 40 times to slower than he actually ran.

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</div><div>The Locker's 4.52 and Newton's 4.60 were was the unofficial hand times. The 4.59's was the official electronic, "photo-finish" times. Nine times out of 10, the hand time is faster than the official electronic time.</div>

right....thats why Taylor Mays was faster than Trindon Holliday when they linked the videos up to start right when they both started, yet Mays had an "official" time of 4.43 and Holliday was in the 4.3 range. 9 times out of 10 the hand time is a little bit faster ( usually not much of a difference when getting into the 4.5 range), well no sh*t. When is a hand time ever slower? Coincidentally the one time Newton runs? Sure, its not like there trying to manipulate things to make a top 10 pick out of a 1 year starter in a gimmick option approach with high school play calls like double reverses that "elite" sec defenses get fooled by meets Mike Leach's airraid offense (none of his qbs in the NFL) with questionable work ethic, mental ability, throwing motion, accuracy, being able to drop back from center, ego problems, I could sit here all day and list the reasons why hes not a first round pick. All they have going for this guy is that he is big and fast for his size. If Locker was listed as faster than him that would kind of ruin it. Plus 4.59 sounds much better than 4.6. I mean Locker was rated as the first overall pick last year. I don't think there were any black quarterbacks that year except for Joe Webb. This year, all of a sudden his stock dropped, and the only thing he has done is improve.
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[snow]

Btw, also per the NFL's "experts", Dane Sanzenbacher: "He lacks ideal speed and suddenness,"

In spite of being TOP THREE in three different speed drills. In spite of running a 4.43 40 while at Ohio State, unofficially of course. Naturally there's no info available yet on what his official combine 40 was, but i'm sure it's coming soon.

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</div><div>Unless you're in the Top 15, they don't report the official time. Only the teams get that information.</div><div>
</div><div>His unofficial best was 4.59.</div><div>
</div><div>
</div><div>http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011-nfl-combine-results-wide-receivers/</div>

Is that why Toby Gerhart's "official time" was never reported so people assumed he was 4.6 or slower? even though guys like Scott Wright who had contact with scouts in the building confirmed it was 4.55 which would put him in the top 10? And reports of everybody else's official time came out, just not him.

I am sure everyone on here knows how the combine works and the difference between official and unofficial times but thanks for the info.

Nothing in the NFL has been in favor of white athletes, so i am not going to expect the nfl combine to all of a sudden be any different. Even dwfs agree that with the technology we have its ridiculous how much of a problem the combine actually has in getting accurate times (the start isn't electronic, its by hand, only the finish is). Cody Grimm's time dropped significantly last year when the official time showed up, but it was in the top because he was listed as a linebacker (even though he was pretty much a safety in college). A Virginia Tech engineering major did some little project to get more accurate data on his school's athletes. Did something to where he had the film and ran it in slow mo to get the exact time he started and the exact time he finished. Turns out by his project, Grimm ran in the mid 4.5 range (I think 4.53), quite the difference from the 4.64 the nfl had listed for him. And from the way he played this year at safety, I would say 4.64 is a ridiculous time to put on him. Btw, he ran a 4.48 at his pro day. Usually hand times from the same year aren't off by .16, and I doubt the guy who did the project would be off by .11
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[Deadlift]

Previously on CF, I wrote down what Rivals had Newton's 40 listed as.. If they didn't alter it since that time, here's his profile:http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Cameron-Newton-95471

which says 4.53--

I think it's fair to say that he's DEFINITELY a "4.6 guy" which probably doesn't surprise anyone of us on CF! And, a 38" vertical on Rivals?

And, I've been wanting to say that Ryan Tannehill would likely win a foot-race against Scam Newton. What do you all think?

 

[snow]

dude seriously, your telling me, a guy that isn't exactly a friend of white athletes stuck his neck out to say Gerhart ran a 4.55 (confirmed it was the OFFICIAL ELECTRONIC, NOT HAND TIME, which was 4.51), and got the information from people INSIDE the building, scouts from TEAMS, the exact people who you just said are the only people who get the official times that aren't in the top 15 (even though we know how fast someone like Shonn Greene or Blount ran). Not to mention Gerhart was added into a video of the fastest 40 yard dash for runningbacks.

I just mentioned Trindon Holliday, do you know how to read? because I don't think you have actually read my posts because i used Taylor Mays as an example of how inaccurate the "official times" are. Did I say hand times are accurate? no, I just said they usually aren't off by .16. ESPECIALLY when you get to the 4.5 and higher range, you can see for yourself there is less variation between official and unofficial times for guys in the 4.5 and higher range and more variation for 4.4 and below.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/02/taylor-mays-40-time-adjus_n_482930.html

I don't know the reason behind it, but since they have been proven wrong and not 100 percent accurate, why would I trust their times for white athletes? what about a guy that looked at the film himself and time it from the timed the player started and finished? Its just too bad he was a VTECH fan and not a member of this site. The timing method isn't 100 percent electronic, its a hand timed start.

Edited by: snow

 

[snow]

Learn to read and stop trolling. Then respond.

 

[snow]

Did you read this

" Did I say
hand times are accurate? no, I just said they usually aren't off by .16"

"I don't know the reason behind it, but since they have been proven wrong
and not 100 percent accurate, why would I trust their times for white
athletes? what about a guy that looked at the film himself and time it
from the timed the player started and finished?"

"Gerhart ran a 4.55 (confirmed it was the OFFICIAL ELECTRONIC, NOT HAND
TIME, which was 4.51), and got the information from people INSIDE the
building, scouts from TEAMS, the exact people who you just said are the
only people who get the official times that aren't in the top 15" Guess what, that same exact time, was defended over and over, weeks after the combine after the teams got the results, by the same person, who was in contact with the same scouts from the same teams. And by a guy who isn't known for being white friendly. You really expect me to believe it takes weeks to get official times for guys that aren't top performers out to teams?

"A Virginia Tech engineering major did some little project to get more
accurate data on his school's athletes. Did something to where he had
the film and ran it in slow mo to get the exact time he started and the
exact time he finished. Turns out by his project, Grimm ran in the mid
4.5 range (I think 4.53), quite the difference from the 4.64 the nfl had
listed for him. And from the way he played this year at safety, I would
say 4.64 is a ridiculous time to put on him. Btw, he ran a 4.48 at his
pro day. Usually hand times from the same year aren't off by .16, and I
doubt the guy who did the project would be off by .11"

"Even dwfs agree that with the technology we have its ridiculous how much
of a problem the combine actually has in getting accurate times (the
start isn't electronic, its by hand, only the finish is)." In case you didn't know, dwf stands for drunk white fan.

"9 times out of 10 the hand time is a little bit faster ( usually not
much of a difference when getting into the 4.5 range), well no sh*t.
When is a hand time ever slower? Coincidentally the one time Newton runs?"

"Sure, its not like there trying to manipulate things to make a top 10 pick out of a 1 year starter"


You read fine? I guess you just skipped over those things above

You read so well that you fail to see that I never really argued that Jake Locker's official time was wrong, just that Newton's wasn't right. Look at the posts, see the difference between whose typing them. See those things on the side of the posts? those are called user names. Thats what we use on internet forums to differentiate between people who are posting. No not on the right side, its on the left. Google if you have a problem figuring out the difference between left and right. See how it feels when I talk to you like your a dumbass? yeah thats what you've been doing in all of your posts. So if you don't want to be accused of something, don't talk down to people like you are better than them.


Or are you just going to pick and choose which arguments you want to make and ignore the rest when you have no explanation?

Edited by: snow

 

[snow]

So you are on a site that promotes WHITE athletes to prove that there is no anti white bias. Okay thats fine. I won't make any accusations. Wouldn't want to put down the greatest quarterback in the history of football. All bow down to Cam Newton and believe everything the NFL tells us. Yeah the Mays thing was the "singular mistake". I am sure that no others have happened....at all. Or could it possibly be the Mays mistake was the only mistake that happened with a high profile athlete, you know the kind of athlete dwfs and the media drools over?
Edited by: snow

 

[PhillyBirds]

So you are on a site that promotes WHITE athletes to prove that there is no anti white bias. Okay thats fine. I won't make any accusations. Wouldn't want to put down the greatest quarterback in the history of football. All bow down to Cam Newton and believe everything the NFL tells us. Yeah the Mays thing was the "singular mistake". I am sure that no others have happened....at all. Or could it possibly be the Mays mistake was the only mistake that happened with a high profile athlete, you know the kind of athlete dwfs and the media drools over?

I think you may be overreacting a little. Pointing out a small sample size of timing errors and fixes doesn't really prove anything definitive, even if the bias is inherent. Sure, there have been some suspicious 40 time changes for white athletes in the past, but we know of them because we only look at the times of white athletes. I'm sure a more thorough dig through a database would reveal more discrepancies than we know right now.

 

[Don Wassall]

So you are on a site that promotes WHITE athletes to prove that there is no anti white bias. Okay thats fine. I won't make any accusations. Wouldn't want to put down the greatest quarterback in the history of football. All bow down to Cam Newton and believe everything the NFL tells us. Yeah the Mays thing was the "singular mistake". I am sure that no others have happened....at all. Or could it possibly be the Mays mistake was the only mistake that happened with a high profile athlete, you know the kind of athlete dwfs and the media drools over?

I think you may be overreacting a little. Pointing out a small sample size of timing errors and fixes doesn't really prove anything definitive, even if the bias is inherent. Sure, there have been some suspicious 40 time changes for white athletes in the past, but we know of them because we only look at the times of white athletes. I'm sure a more thorough dig through a database would reveal more discrepancies than we know right now.

We'll see, but Pegasus to this point has the identical m.o. of a long-time troll here.