Draft Prospect Database

[celticdb15]

He's a long shot, but 6'1 220lb runningback Reid Oldenburg is generating some interest. He played his college ball at UW Lacrosse same place as Bill Schroeder. http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/article_4cfcfb28-46a7-11df-a1e6-001cc4c03286.html

 

[FootballDad]

Here's another RB/FB prospect out of tiny Winona State, Andrew Verboncouer. He looks to be a solid athlete with an excellent highlight video. I found this guy trolling around on a DWF draftsite, if you can believe that!
He looks like a good find as an UDFA.

 

[whiteathlete33]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/risersandfallers?tag=fastFacts.nfl;Risers%20and%20FallersHere is some positive news. Nfldraftscout says Jordan Shipley's stock is up after running a 4.53 on his Pro Day.
Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[whiteathlete33]

Here is what my local paper lists as the top offensive linemen available in this draft. http://www.northjersey.com/sports/041610_NFL_Draft_Watch_Vinny_DiTranis_top_offensive_linemen.html

10 out of 22 tackles are white. Only 7 out of 20 guards are white.

Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[FootballDad]

Here is what my local paper lists as the top offensive linemen available in this draft. http://www.northjersey.com/sports/041610_NFL_Draft_Watch_Vinny_DiTranis_top_offensive_linemen.html

10 out of 22 tackles are white. Only 7 out of 20 guards are white.

Although we at Caste Football often point to the skill positions to make our point in respect to the blatant racism evident at those positions, it's equally interesting to take a look at some of these sumo affletes that are the "majority" of top O-linemen. It's been documented on many occasions that besides QB, the position that requires the greatest IQ is offensive lineman. How can that be when most of the "top rated" at those positions can barely hit 20 on a Wonderlic test, and sound like Mushmouth in their interviews??

 

[whiteathlete33]

Here is what my local paper lists as the top offensive linemen available in this draft. http://www.northjersey.com/sports/041610_NFL_Draft_Watch_Vinny_DiTranis_top_offensive_linemen.html

10 out of 22 tackles are white. Only 7 out of 20 guards are white.

<div>Although we at Caste Football often point to the skill positions to make our point in respect to the blatant racism evident at those positions, it's equally interesting to take a look at some of these sumo affletes that are the "majority" of top O-linemen. It's been documented on many occasions that besides QB, the position that requires the greatest IQ is offensive lineman. How can that be when most of the "top rated" at those positions can barely hit 20 on a Wonderlic test, and sound like Mushmouth in their interviews??</div>

It seems like every year the offensive lines get a bit blacker. You are correct that a lot of these affletes are sumos and over weight yet somehow manage to continue playing in the NFL. The iq's of some of these black players is a joke. They even have Maurkice Pouncey as the top rated center. Offensive and defensive line must be the favorite position for black players because they can eat like pigs and still get paid millions.
Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[whiteathlete33]

This just keeps getting better. Only one white outside linebacker is ranked out of 25 at the position. that is a whopping 4%. Inside linebacker is much better with 9 whites out of 20.http://www.northjersey.com/sports/041610_NFL_Draft_Watch_Vinny_DiTranis_top_linebackers.html

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

I updated the previous list and now put together rankings for each offensive skill position. I tend to watch mostly offense and mostly guys who get the ball, so I didn't rank o-line or defense. I didn't rank FB because true FBs aren't used much anymore. I ranked H-Backs in their place. These are guys that can catch balls as TEs or swinging out from the backfield. H-Backs can also run and pass block and run the ball a bit when the situation calls for it. I have ranked each player that I feel should be drafted without the caste system and then continued with a short list of the top PFAs.

A few things to note:
1. A player will drop down if he isn't all that productive even if he is a workout warrior.
2. Productive players with pedestrian measurables (ie. Freddie Barnes, David Sinisi) will drop down in rankings. Freddie Barnes may be the best example of this in years. Barnes performed this season on level of Mike Hass when Hass won the Biletnikoff award. However Barnes does not jump as well and isn't as agile, quick or fast as Hass. ie. Hass's best tested measurables for the '06 draft: 4.58 40, 4.15 SS, 6.52 3-Cone, 9'8" BJ 36.5 VJ; Barnes: 4.67 40 (reported by NFLdraftscout as his best hand-timed 40 out of a range), 4.55 SS, 7.16 3-cone, 8'11" BJ, 30.5 VJ.
3. Injured players like Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas tend to drop in rankings no matter how talented they are. For instance, Eric Decker would probably have been ranked my #1 or #2 WR if healthy, but I have him ranked 4th right now. Players with questionable work ethic or character issues will drop down in the rankings as well. This is even if they have serious talent. Among the aforementioned are Dez Bryant, Brandon Lafell, Mike Williams and Jevon Snead.
4. Productive players in the FBS stand out for higher rankings more than productive players in the lower levels.
5. This list is not literally without the caste system, because there are unfortunately lots of talented whites who fall victim to caste coaching and never got the chance to produce. And freakish talents like Nile Knapp disappear to Division III, NAIA or stop playing football all together every year- after H.S- due to lack of scholarships.

Here's the list:
QB:
1. Sam Bradford
2. Tim Tebow
3. Jimmy Clausen
4. Colt McCoy
5. Tony Pike
6. Dan Lefevour
7. Jonathan Crompton
8. Zac Robinson
9. John Skelton
10. Jarrett Brown
11. Mike Kafka
12. Darryl Clark
13. Joe Webb
14. Jevan Snead
Top PFAs:
15. Levi Brown
16. Sean Canfield
17. Tim Hiller
18. Max Hall
19. Matt Nichols
20. Thaddeus Lewis


RB:
1. Toby Gerhart
2. Jahvid Best
3. C.J Spiller (I dropped him down after watching extensive highlights of him because he's too much like Reggie Bush. He might be a little bit better of a rusher than Bush up the middle, but like Bush isn't an "elite" rusher. He's a phenom receiver out of the backfield and a crazy good returner though.
4. Ryan Mathews
5. Ben Tate
6. Montario Hardesty
7. Jonathan Dwyer
8. Joe McKnight
9. Jake Sharp
10. Anthony Dixon
11. James Starks
12. Lonyae Miller
13. Andre Dixon
14. Deji Karim
15. Trevyn Smith
16. Chris Brown
17. Joique Bell
18. Blake Smolen
19. Luke Lippincott
20. Stafon Johnson
Top PFAs:
21. LeGarrette Blount
22. Curtis Steele
23. Charles Scott
24. Pat Paschall
25. David McCarty


H-Backs:
1. Dorin Dickerson
2. Jameson Konz
3. Clay Harbor
4. John Connor
5. Rashawn Jackson
6. Richard Dickson
7. William Rose
Top PFAs:
8. Cody Slate
9. Manase Tonga
10. Jack Corcoran

WR:
1. Golden Tate
2. Dez Bryant
3. Eric Decker
4. Damian Williams
5. Demaryius Thomas
6. Jordan Shipley
7. Blair White
8. Dexter McCluster
9. Arrellious Benn
10. Riley Cooper
11. Mardy Gilyard
12. Carlton Mitchell
13. Chris McGaha
14. Brandon Lafell
15. Taylor Price
16. Jacoby Ford
17. Marc Mariani
18. Andre Roberts
19. Kerry Meier
20. Tim Toone
21. Dezmon Briscoe
22. Kevin Jurovich
23. Emmanuel Sanders
24. Mike Williams
25. Bryan Anderson
26. Jeremy Williams
27. Armanti Edwards
28. Ryan Wolfe
29. Antonio Brown
30. Scott Long
31. Andrew Brewer
32. Marcus Easley
33. Shay Hodge
34. Pat Simmonds
35. Kyle Williams
36. Danario Alexander
Top PFAs:
37. Freddie Barnes
38. David Reed
39. Stephan Williams
40. David Gettis
41. Max Komar
42. Tim Brown
43. Donald Jones
44. Duke Calhoun
45. Chris Carter

TE:
1. Rob Gronkowski
2. Jermaine Gresham
3. Jimmy Graham
4. Aaron Hernandez
5. Dennis Pitta
6. Anthony Mccoy
7. Ed Dickson
8. Garrett Graham
9. Tony Moeaki
10. Andrew Quarless
11. Michael Hoomanawanui
12. Jeff Cumberland
13. Scott Sicko
14. Fendi Onobun
Top PFAs:
15. Nate Byham
16. Colin Peek
17. Mickey Shuler
18. Michael Palmer
19. Nathan Overbay
20. Steve Maneri

Lastly, I figure I may take heat for ranking Eric Decker 3rd. The reason for that is that Decker's injury to a ligament in his foot is rather significant. If not for this injury Decker would probably be my #1 WR. Decker is a slightly richer version of Michael Crabtree without the headcase baggage. I spent a lot of time watching football last season and watching Youtube and Yahoo video highlights to make this list, so if you don't like it make your own list lol! Cheers guys.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

 

[Deadlift]

Colin Peek is Dallas Clark-esque, but didn't get monster yards because Alabama ran the ball a ton.

Garrett Graham (Wisconsin) has impeccable hands and elite body-control.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Here is an article listing the 10 riskiest players in the draft. I don't agree with Clausen and Tebow being on the list.http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Buyer-Beware-The-10-riskiest-2010-draft-picks?urn=nfl,234844

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Colin Peek really disappointed at his Pro Day though deadlift:
4.93 40, 1.70 10 yd. clip, 4.39 SS, 7.23 3-Cone, 9'4" BJ, 34.5 VJ. The main problem I had with him was that his production as a receiver didn't stand out and his measurables other than his solid shuttle and jumping were a disappointment. He also only benched 225 lbs. 19 times at his large size as well. And I had trouble finding much footage of him as a receiving threat. I agree on Garrett Graham and I think he could end up carving out a nice career in the NFL.

Another debate I had was if I should rank Dorin Dickerson or Jameson Konz first. Both are eye popping athletic phenoms (Konz was completely off the charts!), but Dickerson is the more ready NFL player. It was Konz's first year playing TE/H-Back for Kent State and he didn't have much production- where Dickerson had a solid year receiving for Pittsburgh and showed he had good strength for his size with 24 benches at 6-2 226 lbs. Neither of these guys are as stocky as you'd like for a TE/H-Back and Konz didn't do a bench press due to a Pec strain. I think both could end up being very similar players in the NFL.

I also think Eric Decker will end up being a better player than mild headcase Dez Bryant if the doesn't fall victim to caste coaching, but Decker's torn toe ligament is a troublesome injury that gave Brandon Stokley trouble. He should recover fine if all goes as expected though.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Just realized I spelled Jevan Snead's name wrong, I'll have to go back and correct this.

 

[TwentyTwo]

Good to be back..computer virus+new baby...nice work(list) yall!
Where did the homeboy from northern Jersey get those 40 times?? LB-Jacob Cutrera a 4.83?? Nope...some dwf's just refuse tobelieve he ran 4.53 &amp; 4.62....alot of those white LBers are also capable of playing OLB...But the list with only 1 white out of 20 is absurd!

What's the big deal with Tebow...so what if he takes a few years to develop as a QB...Very few QB's are prepared to take over their rookie seasons.

QB-Matt Nichols is a super-sleeper...the scouts have taken notice...he could land in the later rounds

The Vikings could use someone like Jake Sharp...maybe if Trevyn Smith does not get a fair chance in the NFL; maybe he could land in the CFL??

 

[whiteathlete33]

Good to be back..computer virus+new baby...nice work(list) yall!
<div></div>Where did the homeboy from northern Jersey get those 40 times?? LB-Jacob Cutrera a 4.83?? Nope...some dwf's just refuse tobelieve he ran 4.53 &amp; 4.62....alot of those white LBers are also capable of playing OLB...But the list with only 1 white out of 20 is absurd!
<div></div>
<div>What's the big deal with Tebow...so what if he takes a few years to develop as a QB...Very few QB's are prepared to take over their rookie seasons.</div>
<div></div>
<div>QB-Matt Nichols is a super-sleeper...the scouts have taken notice...he could land in the later rounds</div>
<div></div>
<div>The Vikings could use someone like Jake Sharp...maybe if Trevyn Smith does not get a fair chance in the NFL; maybe he could land in the CFL??</div>

Maybe some of these so called "experts" should mention that Tebow is light years ahead of black quarterbacks like Vince Young and Josh Freeman. I don't know where those times are from Twentytwo.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Here is an interesting fact. Had Jameson Konz been invited to the Combine he would have tied Gerald Sensabaugh for the best vertical jump since 1999.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Yes, WA33- an eye opening fact. I did mention this after Konz's Pro Day (not to over boast myself lol). And they still say white men can't jump lol. 8 of the top 11 high jumpers of all time are white! The only area that whites have a disadvantage big enough to "notice" is in straight lined speed from 20 meters-350 meters. I still think elite white athletes are the most complete athletes in the world. We have some "noticeable" advantages in some areas. Lateral agility matters more on the football field than speed anyway!Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

 

[whiteathlete33]

Yes, WA33- an eye opening fact. I did mention this after Konz's Pro Day (not to over boast myself lol). And they still say white men can't jump lol. 8 of the top 11 high jumpers of all time are white! The only area that whites have a disadvantage big enough to "notice" is in straight lined speed from 20 meters-350 meters. I still think whites are the most complete athletes on average in the world. We have some "noticeable" advantages in some areas. Lateral agility matters more on the football field than speed anyway!

Tough, I remember you posting his Pro Day numbers. I don't remember if you mentioned he would be tied for the vertical jump lead. Anyway those are some awesome numbers. Hopefully he doesn't end up as a WSTD. He could play linebacker at his size.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

I did mention it, but it is certainly a great stat to mention as much as possible to educate any one timer surfers of this site. I think Kevin Kasper still has the record for best short shuttle time with a 3.78 or something also. This is why I called Konz a freak. I would call a black with his workout numbers a freak too.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Anyhow, WA33- where did you find this info (if you could help me out)? I haven't been able to find NFLdraftscout's list of top performers for a while now, so I mostly go by memory.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Here is a link for anyone that wants to look at some of these results.http://www.topendsports.com/sport/gridiron/nfl-draft-results-top.htm

You are correct on Kasper. He has the best 20 yard shuttle time. It's actually 3.73. Also Jon Mcgraw, Anthony Gonzalez,Matt Farmer, Coy Wire and Kevin Kasper have some of the top three cone drill times.

 

[celticdb15]

Dave Sinisi is a short bullish runningback out of Monmouth. His role in the NFL would probably be that of a Special Teams Demon, but I wish him the best of luck. http://www.nj.com/sports/nfldraft/index.ssf/2010/04/monmouth_running_back_dave_sin.html

 

[whiteathlete33]

Dave Sinisi is a short bullish runningback out of Monmouth. His role in the NFL would probably be that of a Special Teams Demon, but I wish him the best of luck. http://www.nj.com/sports/nfldraft/index.ssf/2010/04/monmouth_running_back_dave_sin.html

I've mentioned him before Celtic and I'm familiar with him as he plays right here in Jersey. He definitely has skills.

 

[celticdb15]

Dave Sinisi is a short bullish runningback out of Monmouth. His role in the NFL would probably be that of a Special Teams Demon, but I wish him the best of luck. http://www.nj.com/sports/nfldraft/index.ssf/2010/04/monmouth_running_back_dave_sin.html

I've mentioned him before Celtic and I'm familiar with him as he plays right here in Jersey. He definitely has skills.

Yeah there are a couple of good white runningbacks in your area WA33. David McCarty, Dave Sinisi, and of course Jersey Joe. ALong with Trevyn Smith, the FCS had alot of talent this year.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

It could be wrong, but NFLdraftscout was reporting Sinisi's Pro Day 40 time at 4.82. If he can run a 4.65 like the article says, he could catch on as a 6th or 7th round pick/PFA & maybe be a good back in a dual threat backfield or have a Kevin Faulk type role if there was no caste system. I'm skeptical he could be anything more than a special teams demon if he runs a 4.82 though. You never know though- as he ran a 4.07 short shuttle, so he loses virtually no speed when making one cut. Kahil Bell isn't much bigger and had similar measurables at the combine, running a 4.74 on that slower track with a 4.20 short shuttle and wasn't all that productive in the FBS. Bell had a horrible senior year.

I wish Sinisi the best as he plays right near where I used to live when I was living with my cousins in Jersey.

 

[Don Wassall]

The one White tackle expected to be drafted high just happens to be "the most over-rated player in the draft" according to SI's Don Banks

, who then comparesBryan Bulagato Robert Gallery. Gallery didn't fulfill all expectations but he's still a starter in the league. Since Gallery was drafted there have been a number of outright busts at tackle selected in the first round, however all of them are black so that's why Banks didn't mention any of them:


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Edited by: Don Wassall