Donald Trump for prez (?)

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Went back and re-read this whole post. I don’t believe I had found this site yet back in early 2016.

Trump is a bright guy, and if not for his deep support of Israel would be a great candidate for the advocacy of white america.

As it is, I think he is better than Biden obviously, but still unlikely to be able to arrest the decline of the US. I say this not as a knock on Trump but only because I don’t think it’s possible to arrest the decline.

That Paul Craig Roberts article highlighted all of the post Soviet changes in the world order, and I just don’t think the concentration of welfare/warfare/weaponized finance state power can be reformed.

I don’t welcome collapse, because I’m sure that will be extremely messy and painful for millions of white Americans especially, but I remain skeptical that there is any other way out of this mess.

The US debt is now at 35 trillion. When the country formerly known as the USA ultimately defaults, the amount of upheaval will dwarf anything seen since World War Two finished off Europe.

Maybe we will get lucky enough that Trump is allowed back and he can somehow stop these ridiculous forever wars, but I’m not very hopeful.

Sorry to be a downer.
 

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Went back and re-read this whole post. I don’t believe I had found this site yet back in early 2016.

Trump is a bright guy, and if not for his deep support of Israel would be a great candidate for the advocacy of white america.

As it is, I think he is better than Biden obviously, but still unlikely to be able to arrest the decline of the US. I say this not as a knock on Trump but only because I don’t think it’s possible to arrest the decline.

That Paul Craig Roberts article highlighted all of the post Soviet changes in the world order, and I just don’t think the concentration of welfare/warfare/weaponized finance state power can be reformed.

I don’t welcome collapse, because I’m sure that will be extremely messy and painful for millions of white Americans especially, but I remain skeptical that there is any other way out of this mess.

The US debt is now at 35 trillion. When the country formerly known as the USA ultimately defaults, the amount of upheaval will dwarf anything seen since World War Two finished off Europe.

Maybe we will get lucky enough that Trump is allowed back and he can somehow stop these ridiculous forever wars, but I’m not very hopeful.

Sorry to be a downer.
Your thoughts echo mine for the most part. During his first term it was amazing what was accomplished considering he was fought every step of the way by the Washington Swamp Machine. His biggest flaw, in my opinion, is his judge of personal character as many of his strategic appointees worked against him.

I predict he will be assassinated as his poll numbers are only getting stronger as America is waking up to the political persecution of him. Democrats and Rhinos (and the deep state -alphabet agencies) cannot allow him to become president. So they will take him out, as they have proven already through false media, sham impeachment proceedings and kangaroo court dealings.

That being said, if by some miracle he does make it and get elected… I hope he goes scorched earth and burns it all down and absolutely guts Washington. It is the only possible way to reverse the collision course this nation is on towards becoming Marxist.

We are getting very close to hot conflict here. I predict we see the further decay of law and order as the election approaches.

I’m ready for it.
 

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Your thoughts echo mine for the most part. During his first term it was amazing what was accomplished considering he was fought every step of the way by the Washington Swamp Machine. His biggest flaw, in my opinion, is his judge of personal character as many of his strategic appointees worked against him.

I predict he will be assassinated as his poll numbers are only getting stronger as America is waking up to the political persecution of him. Democrats and Rhinos (and the deep state -alphabet agencies) cannot allow him to become president. So they will take him out, as they have proven already through false media, sham impeachment proceedings and kangaroo court dealings.

That being said, if by some miracle he does make it and get elected… I hope he goes scorched earth and burns it all down and absolutely guts Washington. It is the only possible way to reverse the collision course this nation is on towards becoming Marxist.

We are getting very close to hot conflict here. I predict we see the further decay of law and order as the election approaches.

I’m ready for it.
Warhawk_46: I agree 100% with you. We must be prepared. There are many like-minded people here in my neck of the woods.
 

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Most legal opinion in regards to the appeals process for this one from Jonathan Turley. I cut and pasted it below as well:

Buzz Kill: The Trump Conviction Presents a Target-Rich Environment for Appeal


Below is my column in the Hill on the most compelling grounds for an appeal in the Trump case after his conviction on 34 counts in Manhattan. There has been considerable criticism of the defense team and its strategy in the case, including some moves that may undermine appellate issues. However, after the instructions became public, I wrote a column that I thought the case was nearly un-winnable, even for those of us who previously saw a chance for a hung jury. Clarence Darrow would likely have lost with those instructions after the errors in the case by Judge Juan Merchan. At that point, it became a legal canned hunt. So the attention will now shift to the appellate courts. While it may be tough going initially in the New York court system for the former president, this case could well end up in the federal system and the United States Supreme Court. The thrill kill environment of last week may then dissipate as these glaring errors are presented in higher courts.
Here is the column:

The conviction of former President Donald Trump in Manhattan of 34 felonies produced citywide celebrations. This thrill-kill environment extended to the media, where former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman told MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace that it was “majestic day” and “a day to celebrate.” When I left the courthouse after watching the verdict come in, I was floored by the celebrations outside by both the public and some of the media.
The celebrants would be wise to think twice before mounting this trophy kill on the political wall. The Trump trial is a target-rich environment for an appeal, with multiple layers of reversible error, in my view.
I am less convinced by suggestions that the case could be challenged on the inability of Trump receiving a fair trial in a district that voted roughly 90 percent against him. The problem was not the jury, but the prosecutors and the judge.
Some of the most compelling problems can be divided into four groups.
The Judge
Acting Supreme Court justice Juan Merchan was handpicked for this case rather than randomly selected. This is only the latest in a litany of Trump cases where Merchan has meted out tough rulings against Trump and his organization. With any other defendant, there would likely be outrage over his selection. Merchan donated to President Biden. Even though the state bar cleared that violation based on the small size of the contribution, it later stressed that no such contributions were appropriate for a judge. We learned later that Merchan has contributed to a group to stop the GOP and Trump. Merchan’s daughter is also a Democratic organizer who has helped raise millions against Trump and the GOP and for the Democrats.
To his credit, CNN legal analyst Elie Honig has previously said that this case was legally dubious, uniquely targeted Trump and could not succeed outside of an anti-Trump district. On the judge, he recently challenged critics on the fairness of assigning a Biden donor who has earmarked donations for “resisting the Republican Party and Donald Trump’s radical right-wing legacy.” He asked “Would folks have been just fine with the judge staying on the case if he had donated a couple bucks to “Re-elect Donald Trump, MAGA forever!”? “Absolutely not.”
What is equally disturbing is the failure of Merchan to protect the rights of the defendant and what even critics admit were distinctly pro-prosecution rulings in the trial. It is not just the appearance of a conflict with Judge Merchan but a record of highly biased decisions. In watching Merchan in the courtroom, I was shocked by his rulings as at times incomprehensible and conflicted.
The Charges
A leading threshold issue will be the decision to allow Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg to effectively try Trump for violations of federal law. The Justice Department declined any criminal charges against Trump under federal election law over the alleged “hush money” payments. The Federal Election Commission likewise found no basis for a civil fine. With no federal prosecution, Bragg decided to use an unprecedented criminal theory not only to zap a dead misdemeanor into life (after the expiration of the statute of limitation) but to allow him to try violations of not only federal election law but also federal taxation violations. In other words, the Justice Department would not prosecute federal violations, so Bragg effectively did it in state court.
Even when closing arguments were given, analysts on various networks admitted that they were unclear about what Bragg was alleging. The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of.
The Evidence
Judge Merchan allowed a torrent of immaterial and prejudicial evidence to be introduced into the trial by the prosecution. That included testimony from porn actress Stormy Daniels that went into details about having sex with Trump. She included a clear suggestion that Trump raped her. After this utterly disgraceful testimony, Merchan expressed regret but actually blamed the defense counsel, despite their prior objections to the testimony. He had previously chastised counsel for making continued objections, but now he criticized them for not continuing to make objections.
Merchan was equally conflicted in his other orders. For example, he allowed the prosecutors to introduce the plea agreement of Michael Cohen to federal election violations as well as the non-prosecution agreement of David Pecker on such violations. However, it was allowed only for the purposes of credibility and context. He issued an instruction that the jury could not consider the plea or the agreement to establish or impute the guilt of Trump.
The prosecutors then proceeded to expressly state that it was “a fact” that federal election violations occurred in this case and that Trump ordered those violations. They also solicited such statements from witnesses like Cohen. Merchan overruled the objections that the prosecutors were eviscerating his instruction. Merchan also barred the use of a legal expert, former FEC Chair Brad Smith, who was prepared to testify that such payments cannot be viewed as federal election violations and would not affect the election even if they were considered contributions, since they would not even have had to be reported until after the election.
Merchan is likely to be upheld in denying the expert, since the court retains the authority to state what the law is to the jury. The problem is that Merchan failed to do so. Worse still, he allowed the jury to hear the opposite in the repeated false claim that these payments were campaign contributions.
The Instructions
Even with all of the reversible errors, some of us held out hope that there might be a hung jury. That hope was largely smashed by Merchan in his instructions to the jury. The court largely used standard instructions in a case that was anything but standard. However, the instruction also allowed for doubt as to what the jury would ultimately find. When the verdict came in, we were still unsure what Trump was convicted of.
Merchan allowed the jury to find that the secondary offense was any of the three vaguely defined options. Even on the jury form, they did not have to specify which of the crimes were found. Under Merchan’s instruction, the jury could have split 4-4-4 on what occurred in the case. They could have seen a conspiracy to conceal a federal election violation, falsification of business records or taxation violations. We will never know. Worse yet, Trump will never know.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly emphasized that the requirement of unanimity in criminal convictions is sacrosanct in our system. While there was unanimity that the business records were falsified to hide or further a second crime, there was no express finding of what that crime may have been. In some ways, Trump may have been fortunate by Merchan’s cavalier approach. Given that the jury convicted Trump across the board, they might have found all of three secondary crimes. The verdict form never asked for such specificity.
These are just a few of the appellate issues. There are other challenges, including but not limited to due process violations on the lack of specificity in the indictment, vagueness of the underlying state law and the lack of evidentiary foundation for key defenses like “the legitimate press function.” They are the reason why many of us view this case is likely to be reversed in either the state or federal systems. None of that is likely to dampen the thrill in this kill in Manhattan.
But if Biden wins the election before this conviction is overturned, history’s judgment will be deafening.
Jonathan Turley is the J.B. and Maurice C. Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at the George Washington University Law School.
 

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Like almost everything “The Left” has tried against Trump, this seems to be backfiring too. Trump set some record 2 or 3 day fundraising totals. Not sure if it’s slowed, as the article is earlier in the week.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...ising-following-massive-post-verdict-haul.amp

Not that I expect much from a 2nd Trump presidency, but it’s good to see how much unified American support there is if the right figure could come and harness the momentum.
 
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After trump’s mexican rapist speech and refusal to apologize in 2015 he instantly became my favorite candidate, and him insulting mccain(who I believe, would have been worse for this country than Obama, due to his amnesty fetish) was icing on the cake. however, his first term was very underwhelming. He is the commander-in-chief. He has the authority to order the military to build the wall and does not need congressional approval, but did not do it. He fired Jeff sessions as attorney general when Jeff sessions for 20 years was the only man that prevented amnesty from getting passed, and even though he made a mistake with the special counsel was quietly going about the business of defunding and prosecuting sanctuary cities. His blind spot to jews is obvious as well. Trump is infinitely better than biden and him getting elected again will be entertaining seeing the left wing meltdowns. I think who he picks for vp will be very telling on if he learned from his mistakes or not
 
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After trump’s mexican rapist speech and refusal to apologize in 2015 he instantly became my favorite candidate, and him insulting mccain(who I believe, would have been worse for this country than Obama, due to his amnesty fetish) was icing on the cake. however, his first term was very underwhelming. He is the commander-in-chief. He has the authority to order the military to build the wall and does not need congressional approval, but did not do it. He fired Jeff sessions as attorney general when Jeff sessions for 20 years was the only man that prevented amnesty from getting passed, and even though he made a mistake with the special counsel was quietly going about the business of defunding and prosecuting sanctuary cities. His blind spot to jews is obvious as well. Trump is infinitely better than biden and him getting elected again will be entertaining seeing the left wing meltdowns. I think who he picks for vp will be very telling on if he learned from his mistakes or not
Trump isn't perfect, but he's moved the Overton Window significantly - and that's important.
 
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It's to be hoped that Trump picks a VP that is not another Brutus, like the hundreds of other Brutuses he seems to surround himself with, and not one single Mark Antony to come the rescue.
 

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It's to be hoped that Trump picks a VP that is not another Brutus, like the hundreds of other Brutuses he seems to surround himself with, and not one single Mark Antony to come the rescue.
J. D. Vance is far and away the best of the names that have been mentioned. I also like Josh Hawley but he doesn't seem to be in the running. Of the others mentioned all are DEI (DIE) candidates of one kind or another.
 
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J. D. Vance is far and away the best of the names that have been mentioned. I also like Josh Hawley but he doesn't seem to be in the running. Of the others mentioned all are DEI (DIE) candidates of one kind or another.
JD Vance has a son named Vivek LOL, no thanks on this Israel first shill who was and probably still is a Never Trumper
 

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You gotta deal with what's out there, not what you'd like it to be. As far as I know none of the potential Veep candidates are known to sing Horst Wessel Lied or some other anthem that would please you. Who do you want Trump to name as his running mate?
 

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I think Thomas Massie is solid. Doubt he is on Trump's radar but his Covid and Israel stances both appeal to me. The truth is that both Zionists and Liberal Jews are playing both sides in the West. Until this is addressed the clown world will continue.
 
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You gotta deal with what's out there, not what you'd like it to be. As far as I know none of the potential Veep candidates are known to sing Horst Wessel Lied or some other anthem that would please you. Who do you want Trump to name as his running mate?
Massie, RFK jr or Tucker would all be upgrades over Vance who is Israel first and America last
 

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Massie spilling the beans regarding AIPAC's control of Congress was great. One of the few "good ones"af72b74b1b381b7b.png
 

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Massie, RFK jr or Tucker would all be upgrades over Vance who is Israel first and America last
None of them are going to be picked by Trump, which is why Vance is the best of the bunch being considered.

BTW, RFK Jr. is a strong Zionist.
 
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I remember back in 2008 and 2012 the posters were for Ron Paul. The hope was Ron Paul was (finally) someone who would "get tough with the Jews." Every election cycle that forlorn wish circulates.

When Trump ran and won, hope still sprang eternal. They were, at first, oblivious to the fact that Trump has more family, business, and personal ties to Jews than any President in history. Any candidate is going to be pro-Israel in order to be "respectable" in the eyes of the media, donors, etc.

BTW I prefer an evenhanded policy regarding Israel.

The Hamas demonstrators are NOT our friends. They are anti-White as well as anti-Zionist.

Many seem to think Trump is a shoo-in. He is not. We still don't know how the "Trump is a convicted felon" trope will play out in the fall with swing voters. Trump still has a ceiling around 47%.

Trump winning in 2024 is still something I'll believe when I see it. If nothing else, he has to win above the margin of theft.
 

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I remember back in 2008 and 2012 the posters were for Ron Paul. The hope was Ron Paul was (finally) someone who would "get tough with the Jews." Every election cycle that forlorn wish circulates

BTW I prefer an evenhanded policy regarding Israel.

The Hamas demonstrators are NOT our friends. They are anti-White as well as anti-Zionist.
Ron Paul was my political awakening. I was young at the time and he was the first politician who made me pay attention and think. Not sure anyone has done that since.

Trump is what he is. He is far from ideal but, what other pragmatic choice is there?

Biden? Not if you're a self respecting White man.
RFK? Is a fraud and worse that Trump on all important matters.
Libertarian party? Just elected a pro BLM, gay Marxist..

Trump is the current best option. And Vance isn't great either. But, Trump isn't going to pick a name that would satisfy most posters here.
Trump and Vance will be better than Biden and Kamala..
 
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Ron Paul was my political awakening. I was young at the time and he was the first politician who made me pay attention and think. Not sure anyone has done that since.

Trump is what he is. He is far from ideal but, what other pragmatic choice is there?

Biden? Not if you're a self respecting White man.
RFK? Is a fraud and worse that Trump on all important matters.
Libertarian party? Just elected a pro BLM, gay Marxist..

Trump is the current best option. And Vance isn't great either. But, Trump isn't going to pick a name that would satisfy most posters here.
Trump and Vance will be better than Biden and Kamala..

It would be sensible for him to pick Vance but Trump is unpredictable.
 

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Ron Paul was my political awakening. I was young at the time and he was the first politician who made me pay attention and think. Not sure anyone has done that since.

Trump is what he is. He is far from ideal but, what other pragmatic choice is there?

Biden? Not if you're a self respecting White man.
RFK? Is a fraud and worse that Trump on all important matters.
Libertarian party? Just elected a pro BLM, gay Marxist..

Trump is the current best option. And Vance isn't great either. But, Trump isn't going to pick a name that would satisfy most posters here.
Trump and Vance will be better than Biden and Kamala..

I started frequenting this site and becoming familiar with Ron Paul which really served as my political awakening. It's a shame that the libertarian party has been subverted by the usual suspects and trotted out the flaming leftist, pro-vax mandate, pro blm, marxist as their supposed best candidate. Anarchists and communists seem to have destroyed the party of Ron Paul in a little over a decade.
 

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The Libertarian Party has always had a flaky, hippie, leftist wing since it was founded in 1971, which is just one of the reasons why it was destined to never become a major player in politics. A third party has to be united in purpose and agenda to have the slightest chance of denting the uniparty.

The power between the flaky wing and the more sensible types in the party has ebbed and flowed over the years. Ron Paul was the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate in 1988 and he represents the highlight of the party's checkered history. In this era of the leftists running everything it's not surprising that their kooky wing is currently in charge.
 

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The Libertarian Party has always had a flaky, hippie, leftist wing since it was founded in 1971, which is just one of the reasons why it was destined to never become a major player in politics. A third party has to be united in purpose and agenda to have the slightest chance of denting the uniparty.

The power between the flaky wing and the more sensible types in the party has ebbed and flowed over the years. Ron Paul was the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate in 1988 and he represents the highlight of the party's checkered history. In this era of the leftists running everything it's not surprising that their kooky wing is currently in charge.
I listened to a video or two by Tom Woods (a rightwing Libertarian that I respect) and he sort of explained how this happened. It was all election chicanery and coalition bribery. They went through rounds of deadlocked voting before the guy who ended up being VP, made a deal for that in return for his delegates (or whatever). The LP voting seems very complicated, like a caucus or a Euro election.

Anyway, according to Woods, there are still a majority of "Rothbardian" or "Mises" types in the LP power structure. They just failed to nominate one, which shows how ineffective they are or how screwed up their process is. Types like Woods know that this homo is an abomination to Libertarian ideas and are providing no support to him. Expect the LP to crater this election, coming nowhere close to their usual 3% ceiling. Probably helps Trump the most as anyone right of center will not vote for the LP this time around.
 
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