Danny Woodhead

[Mike]

That's not exactly correct. The QB's rotated for both sides, and both Paul Smith and Ricky Santos played as much as Marshall's Bernard Morris....

Danny also had more chances then you attributed, and to be honest really didn't make the most of them.

After Paul Smith's second TD run, which happened very early in the game, Morris took nearly every snap. I don't recall Paul getting back in the game. Maybe he got to kill the clock at the end.
As for your statement about Danny, it's a complete fabrication. Danny had no chance to show anything in the game. And it was not a catchable ball, either. Were you on the West coaching staff?

First thing first. You obviously were not watching this game closely. Paul played most of the first quarter and did come back into the game in the fourth quarter and actually ended it for the East (was in on the drive R. Campbell scored on, not just taking the knee.) Morris did play essentially the entire second quarter, but then again Ricky Santos of NH played most of the third. I didn't count snaps taken, but my guess is that they were all very close just as it's supposed to be. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />


As for the "complete fabrication" on Danny's part, I really don't know what to say. This was an All-Star game, with lots of prospects who wanted a chance to show their ability. The coaches do the best they can to get guys reps, and Danny had some early reps running the ballthat didn't amount to much. Aside from the fact that these games usually feature more passing than running, the West got down early and never really had a chance. The play calling was much more pass than run, which is completely understandable given the above circumstances in addition to the fact that scouts are more interested in seeing the OL in pass blocking situations and quarterbacks throwing the ball. Without numbers in front of me (there was no stat staff at the game) I can only make the educated guess that Danny was in on about as many plays as the other backs, although he was used coming out of the backfield more and given the ball less out of the backfield (he did, however, have more than one carry, unlike you allege.) Was he thrown to more than once or twice? Nope, but I guess that's just the fault of those traitorous white quarterbacks on the West roster, wasn't it? Agree with it or not (and for the record I don't particularly) Danny is being projected as a third down type back and a guy who is versatile enough to come out of the backfield and be used in the passing game, which is what the West staff did with him.


I don't think this game protracts from his draft status much, but don't sit here and blame coaches and players for not getting him involved enough. This was the Hula Bowl, not the Danny Woodhead bowl. Like I said, I'm a huge fan of his, but he did miss an opportunity to impress some doubters, unlike D. Ball last year who had a great Shrine game and was just legitimately screwed.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Even with other-worldy performances in a couple of post-season bowls, I really don't see Danny getting much of a shot. I hate to be pessimistic, I could be wrong and I hope I am, but I doubt we'll see him beyond the pre-season, if then.

 

[reclaimsocal]

As of right now, I don't see him getting a shot either, not even as an undrafted Free Agent. I'm not sure if he will have enough opportunity to make that change between now and April. Its a shame, but its an excellent example of how the Caste system works.


Find a reason to deny an excellent White High School Athlete an opportunity to play at the D1 FBS level. In this case they used his size, which is funny because he is virtually identical (5'8" 200 lbs) to the top Black RB of his class (Mike Hart 5'9" 196).


Then you marginalize his achievement (More Rushing Yards then ANYONE! EVER!) because its at a lower level of competition (Where he had to go because he was denied access to higher levels).


Because he is from a Division 2 school, and isn't very highly ranked by the major scouting services, he probably will not be extended an invitation to the NFL Scouting Combine, and will need to rely on his Pro Day to showcase his talents to the NFL. I would imagine if he had an excellent Workout and clocked somewhere in the 4.4 range, he may get a shot as a Return Specialist/3rd Down Back as a 7th round/Free Agent type. However, I suspect that it will be more expedient for the NFL to simply not deal with him. Its crystal clear that Whites need not apply to carry the ball in the NFL, and Woodhead isn't big enough for them to make a mockery of his talents by forcing him to be a lead blocker.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

As for the "complete fabrication" on Danny's part, I really don't know what to say. This was an All-Star game, with lots of prospects who wanted a chance to show their ability. The coaches do the best they can to get guys reps, and Danny had some early reps running the ball that didn't amount to much...

Without numbers in front of me (there was no stat staff at the game) I can only make the educated guess that Danny was in on about as many plays as the other backs, although he was used coming out of the backfield more and given the ball less out of the backfield (he did, however, have more than one carry, unlike you allege.)

Was he thrown to more than once or twice? Nope, but I guess that's just the fault of those traitorous white quarterbacks on the West roster, wasn't it? Agree with it or not (and for the record I don't particularly) Danny is being projected as a third down type back and a guy who is versatile enough to come out of the backfield and be used in the passing game, which is what the West staff did with him.

I don't think this game protracts from his draft status much, but don't sit here and blame coaches and players for not getting him involved enough. This was the Hula Bowl, not the Danny Woodhead bowl. Like I said, I'm a huge fan of his, but he did miss an opportunity to impress some doubters, unlike D. Ball last year who had a great Shrine game and was just legitimately screwed.

yeah, you really sound like a fan. in addition to the "strong" endorsement above, your earlier post claimed Woodhead dropped the only pass thrown his way. the fact of the matter is that pass hit him in the feet on a short hop. how dare he not catch it!?!?

secondly, for you to deride him for missing an opportunity to impress is absurd. how can he be blamed when he only had THREE carries for the game? he was hit in the backfield on two of those carries, and made a guy miss behind the line of scrimmage on the third. wow! what a loser!

for the game, Woodhead had FEWER CARRIES THAN EVERY OTHER RUNNING BACK in the Hula Bowl. that's right. EVERY other running back had more carries than he did, despite the fact that he started the game, was the fastest back in the game, and had the best credentials of any back participating. hell, only one quarterback registered fewer carries than Woodhead did. additionally, he only had one pass thrown in his direction.

RUSHING--Aina: Parmele 6-46, Andre Callender 5-26, Kalvin McCrae 7-21, Campbell 6-20, Morris 4-16, Keon Lattimore 5-6, Ricky Santos 3-4, Smith 3-3, team 3-(-3). Kai: Marcus Thomas 6-29, Yvenson Bernard 6-23, O'Connell 4-10, Amir Pinnix 4-9, CJ Hawthorne 1-6, Danny Woodhead 3-2, team 1-(-1), Alex Brink 1-(-9), TC Ostrander 4-(-34).

yeah, he really should have done more.

before you come on here and start running your mouth to other posters, try to get your facts straight. until then, keep your mouth shut and listen while the grown-ups talk.

 

[Gi-15]

If Danny is serious about playing Pro football, he should come here in Canada. someone in the CFL will use his talents well.

 

[Mike]

As for the "complete fabrication" on Danny's part, I really don't know what to say. This was an All-Star game, with lots of prospects who wanted a chance to show their ability. The coaches do the best they can to get guys reps, and Danny had some early reps running the ballthat didn't amount to much...

Without numbers in front of me (there was no stat staff at the game) I can only make the educated guess that Danny was in on about as many plays as the other backs, although he was used coming out of the backfield more and given the ball less out of the backfield (he did, however, have more than one carry, unlike you allege.)

Was he thrown to more than once or twice? Nope, but I guess that's just the fault of those traitorous white quarterbacks on the West roster, wasn't it? Agree with it or not (and for the record I don't particularly) Danny is being projected as a third down type back and a guy who is versatile enough to come out of the backfield and be used in the passing game, which is what the West staff did with him.

I don't think this game protracts from his draft status much, but don't sit here and blame coaches and players for not getting him involved enough. This was the Hula Bowl, not the Danny Woodhead bowl. Like I said, I'm a huge fan of his, but he did miss an opportunity to impress some doubters, unlike D. Ball last year who had a great Shrine game and was just legitimately screwed.

yeah, you really sound like a fan. in addition to the "strong" endorsement above, your earlier post claimed Woodhead dropped the only pass thrown his way. the fact of the matter is that pass hit him in the feet on a short hop. how dare he not catch it!?!?

secondly, for you to deride him for missing an opportunity to impress is absurd. how can he be blamed when he only had THREE carries for the game? he was hit in the backfield on two of those carries, and made a guy miss behind the line of scrimmage on the third. wow! what a loser!

for the game, Woodhead had FEWER CARRIES THAN EVERY OTHER RUNNING BACK in the Hula Bowl. that's right. EVERY other running back had more carries than he did, despite the fact that he started the game, was the fastest back in the game, and had the best credentials of any back participating. hell, only one quarterback registered fewer carries than Woodhead did. additionally, he only had one pass thrown in his direction.

RUSHING--Aina: Parmele 6-46, Andre Callender 5-26, Kalvin McCrae 7-21, Campbell 6-20, Morris 4-16, Keon Lattimore 5-6, Ricky Santos 3-4, Smith 3-3, team 3-(-3). Kai: Marcus Thomas 6-29, Yvenson Bernard 6-23, O'Connell 4-10, Amir Pinnix 4-9, CJ Hawthorne 1-6, Danny Woodhead 3-2, team 1-(-1), Alex Brink 1-(-9), TC Ostrander 4-(-34).

yeah, he really should have done more.

before you come on here and start running your mouth to other posters, try to get your facts straight. until then, keep your mouth shut and listen while the grown-ups talk.

So I'm not a fan because I'm stating what was blatantly obvious? Yea I think he got a raw deal out of high school, and yea I'd love to see him contribute in the NFL, but you can't blame everything on coaches, especially in an All Star game of all things. Like I said, it's not like he sucked it up and ruined his chances based on this game, but he did MISS AN OPPERTUNITY. You can bitch and moan about bad blocking or a low throw, but I bet you Danny would be the last guy to complain about those things. We all know he's not going to get a lot of chances, so he needs to make the most of them, and clearly he didn't do so last night. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />


As for touches, yes he got less. What's your point. Can you sit here and factually support the claim that he was in on significantly less plays than the other two backs? If we were talking in the context of a season maybe I could see your point, but you're willing to forsake the entire coaching staff and the bowl's reputation because the guy got 3 carries when the two other guy's got six carries? Please.


Also, Woodhead being the fastest running back there is debatable (it would be between him and Reggie Campbell.) I've been reading this forum for awhile. There is a lot of good stuff here, but don't tell me to get my facts straight just because I'm not one of your good old boys. I've seen enough glaring mistakes around here to know you guys are anything but experts at some subjects.

 

[jaxvid]

I think you guys were a little hard on Mike, I doubt a troll would come on the site to say marginally bad things about Woodhead (they would go after someone more well known) he was just expressing his opinion which, while not pro-Danny, was somewhat objective.

He's probably upset that Danny didn't do better, I get p-offed at some white athletes when I really want them to do well and they don't for one reason or another.

 

[reclaimsocal]

Another point as well is that most of the exposure these kids get at the All-Star games comes during the week of practice beforehand. The actual game isn't really seen as much of a factor in evaluating them because of the limited amount of snaps they get, and other factors such as a lack of teamwork, etc.

 

[Riddlewire]

I think you guys were a little hard on Mike, I doubt a troll would come on the site to say marginally bad things about Woodhead (they would go after someone more well known) he was just expressing his opinion which, while not pro-Danny, was somewhat objective.

Consider the situation.
His reply to me was his very first post on this website. That's a bit odd. How did he find this website? Since that was his first post, I suspect that he was just searching Google for either 'Hula Bowl' or 'Danny Woodhead' and this website was one of his results. He clearly didn't find his way here because he has an understanding of the devastating effects of the Caste System. Also, he was wrong. Danny got no opportunities in the game to prove himself. We're talking about the number one rusher in college football history. With a tagline like that, a player should expect to take MOST of the snaps in an All-Star game. Everyone here knows that if he were black, he would've gotten double digit carries and most of the press coverage. We've seen it happen too many times to ignore the realities.

 

[jaxvid]

I think you guys were a little hard on Mike, I doubt a troll would come on the site to say marginally bad things about Woodhead (they would go after someone more well known) he was just expressing his opinion which, while not pro-Danny, was somewhat objective.

Consider the situation.
His reply to me was his very first post on this website. That's a bit odd. How did he find this website? Since that was his first post, I suspect that he was just searching Google for either 'Hula Bowl' or 'Danny Woodhead' and this website was one of his results. He clearly didn't find his way here because he has an understanding of the devastating effects of the Caste System. Also, he was wrong. Danny got no opportunities in the game to prove himself. We're talking about the number one rusher in college football history. With a tagline like that, a player should expect to take MOST of the snaps in an All-Star game. Everyone here knows that if he were black, he would've gotten double digit carries and most of the press coverage. We've seen it happen too many times to ignore the realities.

I think you make some good points about the way Woodhead was used in that game but the poster in question said that he'd been reading the site for a while and decided to post to make a point that he did not think Woodhead was misused but that it was just the nature of the game.

Mike also mentioned that he had seen some errors by other posters and this was the time he decided to join and comment.

I think it is typical for people to join to comment on a point that has not been made or to correct what they think is an incorrect assertion. Some people may be moved to join just to say "Here Here!" or "I agree with everything you say" others to do a bit of friendly arguing--typical of on-line sports forums.

Now Mike might be a troll, my radar for that kind of thing is not always working, but it seems unlikely that the subject of Danny Woodhead is the kind of thing that triggers a troll to attack. Maybe I'm wrong but it's always nice to have new voices on the site so I think he should be given a chance.

And Mike if you are reading--understand that this site is not for the faint of heart due to subject matter and the fact that only strong willed persons will dare to discuss these issues even in an anonymous forum.

 

[jared]

Agree with Jaxvid completely. Welcome to the forum Mike. I'm sure we'd all like to see Danny Woodhead do better. I wouldn't say he missed an opportunity though, I'd just say he didn't really get the opportunity to do anything. No real big conspiracy on a difference of a couple carries per running back. That game was a stinker from start to finish, especially for the West. Bottom line is Danny probably should have gotten the opportunity to play in a more prestigious game (David Ball got East-West Shrine game after breaking Jerry Rice's Div 1AA records) and he definitely should be invited to the Combine.

 

[Riddlewire]

Ask 'Mike' if he acknowledges the existence of the Caste System, the basic premise of this website. If he does, then he came here for the right reasons, and I will argue no more. If he tries to take a middle ground, then he's just telling you what you want to hear in order convince you of his points. If he rejects the truth entirely, then he's an outright troll.

 

[Stonewall]

I agree with Riddlewire. In only 3 posts, "Mike" has taken several shots at both individual CF forum members and the CF community as a whole. His 2 response posts (to Riddlewire and Jimmy Chitwood) were both written within one hour of the time that the posts by Riddlewire and Jimmy were made. All 3 of "Mike's" posts were made in one day.


There are other suspicious signs, but I'd rather spend the time I have now posting about the phenomenal weekend our NFL players had.


"Mike" aside, we should all be wary of Trolls right now. The CF community went to war supporting Jacob Hester on several other websites that had mocked and criticized Jacob.


The rules governing this site are made clear in Don's original posting. I would suggest "Mike" take a look at them.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

I think you guys were a little hard on Mike, I doubt a troll would come on the site to say marginally bad things about Woodhead (they would go after someone more well known) he was just expressing his opinion which, while not pro-Danny, was somewhat objective.

He's probably upset that Danny didn't do better, I get p-offed at some white athletes when I really want them to do well and they don't for one reason or another.

maybe you're right, jaxvid. maybe.

i'll go ahead and shut up for the moment regarding this issue, despite giving the factual evidence that Mike claims to have wanted.

i agree with jared in that Danny didn't GET an opportunity, rather than he wasted it.

 

[Mike]

First of all, I'm not a troll. I've been reading this forum for some time, mostly tracking high school players. Do I believe there is a 'caste system'? Yea I do, although I would use the term position slotting and reserve 'caste' for historical examples like the ancient Indian caste system. Like you, I can't understand why guys like Jacob Hester are undervalued, and why talented high school tailbacks are for no reason denied 1-A offers or "projected" at linebacker or safety. By the same token, I'm really taken aback by some of the opinions and presumed facts on this board. It seems like all that every happens is the usual blame game, with nobody ever offering up the opinion that maybe in just one of these incidents race didn't have to do with why white player x is sitting on the bench and why black player y is playing. As for the errors I've seen, they result in anything from misspelled names (Cole Brennan? Are you serious?) to blind assertions about particular circumstances and situations your obviously not very familiar with.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />


Now, I responded to this post because a member made an incorrect assertion that Danny was in one only three plays, and that Ron Zook (who actually coached the defense) was determined to play only his "black quarterback." Considering he ran the ball three times and may or may not have 'dropped' a pass once, we know that not to be the case. And, as is also the case, Danny was in on numerous plays in which he was not thrown the ball out of the backfield. And of course, the notion that Morris played significantly more snaps than Smith and <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Santos</st1lace></st1:City> is false as well.I asserted that one of the reasons for this was Danny's projection as a third down back, without contesting that such a use was right or not. As for the factual information, I'm still yet to see anyone produce the number of plays Danny was in on, a stat which isn't likely to be produced since no official stats were taken.


Just because what you call the caste system exists doesn't mean that every white player has success stolen from him and has his career sabotaged. For every Danny Woodhead, there are white and black players who have had similar, limited chances, and were forced to make the most out of those chances unlike Danny did in the Hula Bowl. The aforementioned David Ball was one of them, and not getting a chance based off of that performance certainly raises the question of racial discrimination. But the point is that Danny didn't make the most of his opportunity, and the continual blaming of coaches isn't going to do more for his case. Do I think he should have gotten 2-3 more carries? Of course, but to basically say that by not getting those 2-3 carries Danny was discriminated against on the basis of race is nonsense. Was he discriminated against coming out of <st1:City w:st="on">North Platte</st1:City> by not gettingan offer to <st1:State w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Nebraska</st1lace></st1:State> when another short black back did? Yea he most likely was, but the most recent part of this conversation isn't about that. I was upset after watching Danny play, because I wanted to him play much better. I came here to see if anyone had any insight why, and instead found people contending his performance was somehow sabotaged by the coaching staff. Just admit it, the guy did not play well (it wasn't just the carries, he was absolutely bowled over on one of his releases and didn't get out for a pattern the QB was sacked on.) I'm still waiting for someone to actually respond to my points, and not debate the strength to which I'm attracted to your cause. I don't know what you guys expect. I've come here sympathetic to Danny's case, proclaimed myself to believe racial slotting occurs and is unfair, and pointed out examples points made in this post that were incorrect. If you don't want me to post here that's fine, but you really are hindering the growth of this site by being so stubborn.

 

[Don Wassall]

Mike, First off, we're not monolithic even though you seem to think so. Just reading this thread and the reaction to your posts shows that each of us thinks independently and not as a herd.


Second, we know why discrimination against whites happens in sports. It happens for the same reasons it happens in all other areas of society; it's part of an agenda of economic and political globalization, massive non-white immigration, and deracinating and dumbing down whites into obedient, mindless consumers.


Third, nobody says all white athletes are discriminated against. We talk about the ones we believe are discriminated against or that aren't getting a fairopportunity.


Fourth, coming on any board and criticizing established posters right off the bat is going to engender a reaction. This is one of the most civil and polite boards you're going to find on the net.


Fifth, I don't think you're a troll. I'd like you to stick around and post more as you seem knowledgeable and sympathetic enough as far as seeing that there's a Caste System. Maybe you didn't get off to the best of starts but that doesn't mean you can't be a solid contributor here.

 

[Stonewall]

I would agree that no player's future is going to be determined based on the 5-6 carries he receives in a post-season all star game.


Mike, since you have been tracking high school players, would you mind listing who you believe the Top 10 white running backs in the Class of 2008 are? I'd appreciate any analysis you could provide on which players you believe are receiving the most unjust treatment (i.e. not getting D1 offers). The 'High School' section of this site would be the place to post your information.


I'llalso saythat I am being sincere, I'm not testing you or trying to be a jerk or anything. I follow the pro and college games very closely, and am highly interested in learning about our next generation of white stars in order to do my share to promote them.


Sam McGuffie is the only white tailback in the Classof 2008 who I am thoroughly familiar with.


I would venture to say that many CF members would benefit from the insights of someone who has been tracking high school players, since again most of us are focused on the NFL and NCAA.


I'd (and I'm sure many others)appreciate any information you could provide.

 

[jaxvid]

Mike those are good points and worth consideration. The only thing I would add is that since the racial slotting and sterotyping you mention is so prevalent how can you know when a guy is a victim of it? Sure the results may not be good but other factors may be at work such as teammate attitudes, coaches formations, etc.

These are the types of greviences that blacks complain about all of the time, only the difference is that their complaints are nearly universally acknowledged as true and the legal system aggressively punishes suspected violators on much less "suspicion" then we have here. And we are not asking for legal relief just fairness from our own people.

Also the initial visit to a site should be less confrontational. If I invite you into my house I would expect some cordial discussion before hearing about how paranoid I am at perceived wrongs and how stubborn I am to admit I am wrong about it.

Maybe on the next site you visit you'll keep that in mind.

 

[whiteCB]

Alright could we get back to the topic of this thread which if I remember correctly was about Danny Woodhead, not marginalizing new posters.
So the combine is a little over a month away and Woodhead still has not received a combine invite. What gives??? I still think he might get one and I'm crossing my fingers. Do others agree that he might get one because it would be a great chance to rebound from the Hula Bowl fiasco.

 

[Gi-15]

Who are giving the combine invites anyway? GMs? The league office? Coaches?

 

[Riddlewire]

At the beginning of the Hula Bowl broadcast, the announcers said that Danny needed a big game to draw interest from the NFL. They didn't say "to get a combine invite", but it seemed like that's what they meant. After all, if nobody in the NFL has any interest in him, he wouldn't be invited, anyway.
I don't know if that was information that they were provided with (from NFL scouts, etc.) or if they were just speculating. Ultimately, though, the Hula Bowl was a worthless trip for him. It certainly wouldn't help him get an invite if he didn't already have one.

 

[reclaimsocal]

Unfortunately with the abnormally huge influx of Black Junior RB's into the 2008 draft, I just don't see any reason the NFL would consider drafting Woodhead. They clearly don't allow Whites to carry the ball and he's too small to bulk up as a lead blocker. I wish it weren't the case, but I'd be shocked if he gets drafted and not surprised if he wasn't given a rookie free agent contract.

 

[jaxvid]

Woodhead has less then a 0% chance of being drafted or getting invited to the combine. He's a white running back, he's small, he didn't play Div 1.

Let's get serious, guys like Luke Staley or Mike Hass wins a major award in Div I competition and they get virtually no shot, Woodhead would have to run a 3.9 40 yard dash, jump 50" and lift 300 lbs 100 times just to be given a shot a special teams demon position.

 

[mrjohnnynofear]

Unfortunately with the abnormally huge influx of Black Junior RB's into the 2008 draft, I just don't see any reason the NFL would consider drafting Woodhead.  They clearly don't allow Whites to carry the ball and he's too small to bulk up as a lead blocker.  I wish it weren't the case, but I'd be shocked if he gets drafted and not surprised if he wasn't given a rookie free agent contract.


 

McFadden, Felix Jones, Mendelhall, Slaton, Rice, Jamal Charles...All Junior RBs who have declared...The deck is stacked even more against Woodhead. Not to mention the rehashing of RB to other teams to try to fill voids too. I am hoping Woodhead gets a fair shot but I have been duped before

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

This is outrageous: Five Small school RBs have received early invite invitations to the NFL combine: HBs Xavier Omon Northwest Missouri, Lex Hilliard Montana, Chad Simpson Morgan St., FBs Jerome Felton Furman and Tim Hightower Richmond. All 5 of these guys according to NFLdraftscout.com are listed with slower 40 times than Danny Woodhead. All 5 of these guys were vastly outproduced in college Danny Woodhead.

Yet the NFL has not invited speedster Danny Woodhead "who broke the overall U.S college record for rushing yards" from Chadron State where fellow famous speedster Don Bebee played. This right here my friends is "pure proof" that the NFL caste system exists.

Danny Woodhead would surely impress NFL scouts because the kid has blazing speed and moves. The NFL wants to hide his talent. Woodhead's resume is "vastly" more impressive than the other 5 small school RBs that have been invited. I am pretty certain that Woodhead would run a faster 40 time than all 5 and absolutely hands down a faster short shuttle and 3 cone.

So if anyone says that Woodhead is being ignored by the NFL b/c he is a small school product laugh in their face and respond by mentioning the 5 black guys from small schools who are inferior to Woodhead that got invited to the NFL combine. And if they say Danny Woodhead is too small; point out that RB Trindon Holliday from LSU gets playing time for the BCS champs and is 5'5 and Larod Stevens Howling starts for Pittsburgh and is 5'6. Both are shorter than Woodhead. Maurice Jones Drew who has a similar rock solid build is a top RB in the NFL and is also only 5'7 the same height as Woodhead. Heck Barry Sanders IMO the second best RB of all time was 5'8. Woodhead's only problem is his skin color.

Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins