Confederate Monuments

[Colonel_Reb]

A bunch of ignorant and misled blacks in Memphis, Tennessee want to rename all parks named after Confederate officers and remove the memorials dedicated to them, including that of General Nathan Bedford Forrest, who is buried under the memorial to him. They want to do away with all memories of the Confederacy, and for what? They have so many problems in Memphis, a city now controlled by blacks, they should be worried about getting their horemongering liar of a mayor out of office, and dealing with the gangs. That's too much to ask of a mainly black elected body who is only concerned with blaming whites for all their problems, and perpetuating division and dissent. I hope the whites their wake up and fight this with everything they have.

 

[White_Savage]

Ignorant undoubtedly, misled now. The black is quite possibly the most racially hateful creature on earth.

 

[Gary]

Nathan Bedford Forrest was a great General-so was Robert E.Lee and Stonewall Jackson!

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Not only were they great Generals, they were also great men and great leaders. No they weren't perfect, but Memphis could use some leaders like them now! Lee freed his slaves before the end of the war and wanted the CSA to let slaves fight for their freedom long before they finally let them in March 1865. Grant's, and the rest of the north's slaves weren't freed until the 13'th Ammendment to the Constitution was ratified in December 1865. When questioned why he didn't free his slaves sooner, Grant replied, "good help is just so hard to find these days." I bet those idiots in Memphis would never take one of his or Lincoln's statues down. I cannot stand ignorant people and hypocrits! Edited by: Colonel_Reb

 

[jaxvid]

I agree with blacks that want Confederate and "founding father" statues and memorials removed. Those men, without exception considered blacks inferior to whites and believed that the two races could not, and should not, live together. (So do I)

Why should blacks want anything to do with them? I don't want Malcolm X and MLK forced on me. It's a cultural war. And the blacks are winning. They control those formerly white living spaces and since they succesfully drove out the enemy they should remove the ancient symbols of that enemy. Its gonna get worse, look at the thread on the decrease of population among whites.

 

[Bear-Arms]

Its gonna get worse, look at the thread on the decrease of population among whites.

Where is this thread?

 

[Colonel_Reb]

It sure is funny that blacks lived together with whites on the plantations and in southern cities until the 1890's and that segregation began in northern cities. Maybe we can't and shouldn't live together, but I disagree with your statement about those men. I also think that if what you said was true, they'd be shouting for Grant's statue to be removed and Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson's too. I guess that's what their ultimate goal is though.

 

[White_Savage]

Many Northern abolitionists wanted to get rid of slavery to avoid increasing the number of blacks in this country. Lincoln wanted to ship them back.

Had to admit this Reb, but the North may have been right!

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Most abolitionists I have read about, and those who had real influence back then, had no interest in keeping the numbers of blacks down. If so many people, as you say, wanted to get rid of them, why didn't they have enough power after the war, to send them packing? The truth is because they were a small number, not large. I grant you that it would have been a whole lot better if they had been sent away, and because of that I wish Lincoln hadn't been killed. He is probably the only one of those people who would have been able to make it happen. With that said, there was a segment of the population in the South who favored blacks having their own country, as well as deportation from the US. It's too bad neither group had enough power to do anything.
I could make the same argument you did for the South and segregation after they adopted in the 1890's. Most historians agree that it was a form of population control. The percentage of blacks in the population didn't change a whole lot, but since 1965, they have taken off out of sight.
I wonder then, why the abolitionists descendants worked so hard to get the South to give up segregation in the 50's and 60's? Freedom riders, SSOC, SNCC, and many other groups were full of northerners who thought it the worse thing in the world. I doubt population control was on their minds then. Accepting your premise, you could say the roles had reversed by then.

 

[White_Savage]

I think Jax's point was more that we can't expect fair treatment out of anybody, we can't expect others to be anything but monolithic along ethnic lines.Whites are as far as I know the only people who DON'T stick together as a matter of race, alway stick up for the white guy, etc.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

We sure don't stick together, and I wish I knew why. If we could figure that out, there would be no stopping us!

 

[Bear-Arms]

I think Jax's point was more that we can't expect fair treatment out of anybody, we can't expect others to be anything but monolithic along ethnic lines.Whites are as far as I know the only people who DON'T stick together as a matter of race, alway stick up for the white guy, etc.

That's because whiteness is a social construct.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Shoot, I forgot about that. That clears everything up!

 

[Average American]

JEB Stuart statue, Memorial Avenue, Richmond VA is in need of restoration.
This article briefly covers the statue's needs, and the group that's handling the restoration fundraising.

http://centrevilleindependent.com/stuart-mosby-historical-society-seeks-to-preserve-monument/

I went down Memorial Avenue a number of times as a kid, it's a cool ride, & shrine to the men who defended Virginia. I remember a few years back a cretin tried re-decorating the Stuart statue with some sloppy graffiti (the graffiti was described as a deformed hammer & sickle). That's part of the uphill battle now, defending Memorial Ave from both natural elements, and vandals.

 

[Average American]

For interested parties, Border State Kentucky is now caught up in the bigoted, anti-Southern hysteria.

There is an effort to remove a Jeff Davis statue from their Capitol Rotunda. Their Historic Properties Advisory Commission is taking public comments, to determine the fate of Davis' statue. This report has the link, and I went to the form.. It doesn't require a Kentucky address to comment.. (name & e-mail address).
http://www.whas11.com/story/news/20...ton-capitol-jefferson-davis-statute/29501613/

Sad and sick to me, even in states that were defended by Confederates, this is happening.. It's like watching a mass book-burning.

 

[Quiet Speed]

Came across this on Facebook:

Defending the Heritage

By Federal act of Congress (May 23, 1958) all Confederate veterans are recognized as Unites States Military Veterans, and deserve all the rights and honors pertinent to such service.

Public Law 85-425: “Sec. 410. The Administrator shall pay to each person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War a monthly pension in the same amounts and subject to the same conditions as would have been applicable to such person under the laws in effect on December 31, 1957, as if his service in such forces had been service in the military or naval forces of the United States.â€
Approved May 23, 1958 –
SOURCE: US Statutes at Large
Volume 72, Part 1, Page 133-134.

†Every soldier’s grave made during our unfortunate civil war [sic] is a tribute to American valor… And the time has now come… when in the spirit of fraternity we should share in the care of the graves of the Confederate soldiers… and if it needed further justification it is found in the gallant loyalty to the Union and the flag so conspicuously shown in the year just passed by the sons and grandsons of those heroic dead.†…President William McKinley, 14 December 1898.

 

[Average American]

Quiet Speed, (couldn't directly quote your post, but..)
You cited the Federal Act, recognizing Confederate vets as deserving all the rights and honors pertinent to US Military Veterans. Which I believe is an important, and willfully overlooked, point in this cultural debate.
Many Confederates were decorated US Army vets, Jackson, Lee, & Davis all fought in the Mexican War. (I'm gonna address Jeff Davis specifically, since his statue is in jeopardy in Kentucky's Capitol Rotunda). Davis was also the US Sec. of War, and a well-respected US Senator prior to secession. It's reported that Davis had grown dudes openly weeping during his resignation from the US Senate. Northerners knew they had alienated a good American. And empathetic Northerners would ultimately help underwrite Davis' bond during his post-war imprisonment.
The Confederates were deeply patriotic Americans, who were trying to uphold/test what they believed was a primary American principle, that states were sovereign entities, and voluntary participants in the Union.
Deceitful Marxists have fed many Americans (who are often already anti-Southern, and anti-White bigots) the idea that the Confederates were un-American traitors, but these guys had deep lineages in America, and in the American military. They were American revolutionaries, trying to uphold American ideals.

Honoring American history hinges on defending the Confederates, bcuz after they fall.. the same Marxist slander will be aimed at all pre-Civil Rights era icons.

 

[Average American]

$1500 reward offered in the case of Jeff Davis' vandalized statue in Richmond VA. The statue has been vandalized a couple times recently, crews are still working weeks later to get it looking right.

http://www.nbc12.com/story/29672159/1500-reward-offered-for-info-on-confederate-monument-vandalism

 

[jaxvid]

I stand by what I said 9 years ago:

"I agree with blacks that want Confederate and "founding father" statues and memorials removed. Those men, without exception considered blacks inferior to whites and believed that the two races could not, and should not, live together. (So do I)

Why should blacks want anything to do with them? I don't want Malcolm X and MLK forced on me. It's a cultural war. And the blacks are winning. They control those formerly white living spaces and since they successfully drove out the enemy they should remove the ancient symbols of that enemy. Its gonna get worse, look at the thread on the decrease of population among whites."

Nathan Forrest and Jeff Davis and Tom Jefferson for that matter should all have their monuments torn down or defaced and their remains dug up and pissed on, blacks can wear their bones through their noses. Each one of those men warned and warned and warned and sacrificed their lives to make the case that surrender to the black race would be a disaster. All those monuments are in cities that whites have fled from, the blacks have driven the whites out like Sherman through Georgia. It's their territory now and they know it.

If white people wouldn't have been such pussies in the face of invasion then this would not be an issue. It's lost territory, a general like Forrest or a tactician like Davis would agree that if you are not going to seize it back then retrench what you have. Of course that's not happening either. I'd recommend making an offer to move the landmarks to white occupied territory.

 

[Charles Martel]

Robert E Lee called Stonewall Jackson his "right arm". I think Jackson may have been the best military leader in history.

The Confederates were doing very well in Virginia before Jackson was killed by friendly fire. Jackson was instrumental in many Confederate victories (despite being greatly outnumbered) such as first Battle of Bull Run and Chancellorville.

If Lee had Jackson instead of the imbecile Longstreet at Gettysburg, the outcome of the Civil War may have been different.

 

[Average American]

If Lee had Jackson instead of the imbecile Longstreet at Gettysburg, the outcome of the Civil War may have been different.

Carch., I actually think Longstreet was a voice of reason at Gettysburg. I understand Lee wanted a significant victory on Northern soil (to demoralize the Union war effort), and also understand Lee faced long odds the entire war.. so he was often having to gamble and be aggressive. But Longstreet saw that Pickett's Charge was virtually suicidal.
After the War, it became easy to vilify Longstreet for the Confederacy's failure bcuz Longstreet was making himself unpopular.. joining the Carpetbaggers' Republican Party, & I believe he also had a public friendship w/Grant. So I get why he fell out of favor w/Southern partisans, but..

Jackson surviving Chancellorsville would've helped Lee going forward. But Lee knew their war effort was finite, so he rolled the dice at Gettysburg.. and it didn't work. I've always thought it unfair that those sequence of events fell heavily on Longstreet's reputation as a soldier.

 

[Average American]

in the face of invasion..It's lost territory,.

Not necessarily.. The Jeff Davis monument that has been vandalized is actually under guard at night now. Who knows how long the watch will last, or be needed..but. The Virginia Flaggers are a group committed to protecting these monuments. They're volunteering time to protect 'em, & they underwrote the reward I referenced earlier in the thread (upon apprehending the most recent monument vandals). The first vandal was caught & prosecuted. Turned out to be a close to middle aged, Caucasian cretin. He painted L(oser):
http://wric.com/2015/06/28/arrest-made-in-jefferson-davis-monument-vandalism/ (photo included)

Thankfully not everyone wants to capitulate to bigots who despise, and/or selectively demonize, Confederate symbols & history. The reward still stands for info regarding the most recent vandalism.

 

[Nelson]

JEB Stuart statue, Memorial Avenue, Richmond VA is in need of restoration.
This article briefly covers the statue's needs, and the group that's handling the restoration fundraising.

http://centrevilleindependent.com/stuart-mosby-historical-society-seeks-to-preserve-monument/

I went down Memorial Avenue a number of times as a kid, it's a cool ride, & shrine to the men who defended Virginia. I remember a few years back a cretin tried re-decorating the Stuart statue with some sloppy graffiti (the graffiti was described as a deformed hammer & sickle). That's part of the uphill battle now, defending Memorial Ave from both natural elements, and vandals.

Well, that makes two of us! My folks (there they are again) grew up in Richmond and we kids did the town across the years on vacation there -- Valentine Museum, Byrd Park, Byrd Theater, and many trips up and down Monument Ave for this or that. Alas, Richmond -- like most cities across the fruited plain -- desperately wants to be NYC now, so the MOC has been moved to Appomattox (pop. 2000) or was it Lexington (pop. 7000) and everything's being thrown in the trash. Even in the 1950s my great-aunt was subscribing to the New Yorker, yeeeccCHCCHH! Appropriately, Richmond is a crime hellhole now. 100% Virginia blueblood, I can't name one relative that gives a damn, including the last one in the city.

We managed to keep the flag upright for 22 years of conflict here in SC (53 yrs in all), and since the monstrous July 18 betrayal it's been a domino effect from hell. Negro logic: no serious defacing of statues before Dylann Roof, tons of it since. No serious move on Forrest's grave previously, now a unanimous vote to do it. Poor Anthony Hervey survived all those years but didn't make it 72 hours past 7/18. Written up by a JEWWWWW.........

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...he-confederate-flag-killed-in-miss-car-crash/

Because of Alabama's recent exciting stand, there's a chance of saving Mississippi at least.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Scumbag cowards in Kentucky remove a 120 year old monument to CSA President (& hero) Jefferson Davis & Kentucky CSA veterans. This momument was to honor real men who were 100x braver than these putrid pantywafers could ever be!!! >:-(

http://www.kentucky.com/latest-news/article74649272.html

 

[Ambrose]

Scumbag cowards in Kentucky remove a 120 year old monument to CSA President (& hero) Jefferson Davis & Kentucky CSA veterans. This momument was to honor real men who were 100x braver than these putrid pantywafers could ever be!!! >:-(

http://www.kentucky.com/latest-news/article74649272.html

We just go now and put up our own monuments, plaques, or other commemorative symbols. Who needs the local government to keep history and current? We just do it ourselves. Don't take down Dixie and fly where you may and will.