Bush sticking with the "didn't want to scare the kiddies" excuse for sitting on his ass with his eye

[Carolina Speed]

Ok guys enough piling on mattgianone even though he started the name calling, I believe it was moron and paranoid. Everyone here has probably spouted off about subjects we don't know much about. Use his ignorance of the subject as an opportunity. I disagree it's futile to discuss with mattgianone. He may have used this discussion to educate himself on the subject.

werewolf, don't stop posting about this subject. 911 should be an ongoing thread. I'm curious about one thing and forgive my ignorance, but are you saying Daniel Lewin was a trained pilot? Cal me naive, but during my service in the Marine Corps, everyone I talked to who were associated with Israel pilots said they were the best in the world! Just a comment I wanted to share.

Another thing, the information you put out about the supposed terrorists drinking, buying porn movies in their hotels, going to strip clubs, etc. that information was all put out there by the media. Wonder why, that little bit hypocritical info was made public, but other controversial evidence has not?

I'm with Highlander, I find this discussion fascinating!

 

[mattgianone]

Oh well I lied. Ive looked over both arguments on this issue and Im going to take my side on it. If I could find more information for the pro Mossad points of view I would change my mind. What I see is a huge amount of unsubstantiated accusations. The Arab highjackers were on the flight list, they were seen on video and they did smuggle aboard box cutters.
I love how all of these pro Mossad theorists claim to have all of these documents yet never actually show them off. It kind of sounds like Joe McCarthy and his alledged " lists". Name me one person that got an email out of the alledged 4,000 Jews not to show up to work that day. If certain Jewish Real Estate muguls profited from taking out extra insurance on the buildings ,show me the paperwork.
I watched the interview with Alan Sabrosky and he jsut kept saying this and that with no factual evidence and he kept seeming to hype that if America ever really found out what happened we would wipe Israel off the face of the map. Well get off your duff Mister Sabrosky and start telling people. Why hasnt Obama done anything? We should be flying our bombers over Tel Aviv right now.
If we killed Bin Laden in 2001 why wouldint Bush take credit for it back then?
Its amazing how many bright articulate people post on this web site that are so blinded by their hatred for the Jews in the world. I never said I liked the Jewish monopoly in this country when it comes to Hollywood or the media but pushing this illogical idea is madness.
Maybe we should just go to church as good Christians and hope Jesus wipes off all the Jews of the map. Oh wait Jesus is Jewish. Maybe hes behind all this bunk. If someone can print out some insurance papers or give me one name of those 4,000 Jews that were emailed beforehand Ill shutup.
Good luck yall.

 

[Freethinker]

I can't say for sure that Israel pulled off 911 but I can say with certainty that 19 Muslims with boxcutters did not. werewolf, claims to be an expert on the subject and with all of the information he has espoused, I don't doubt that he is. However, I can understand some of you being skeptical about his level of "expertise" but would you listen to architects and engineers on the subject? Well architects and engineers for 911 truth is a great website with over 1,500 professionals coming forward to expose the fraud. Please check it out.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Some exerts for those feeling lazy:

the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:

Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration Improbable symmetry of debris distribution Extremely rapid onset of destruction Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds 1200-foot-diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples Evidence of explosives found in dust samples And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire: Slow onset with large visible deformations Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires) Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed.

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1. Rapid onset of collapse
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building's destruction
3. Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional
7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY
In the the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:
8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
10. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples
WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:

1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed.

 

[dwid]

mattgianone - Maybe you should educate yourself on History, Christianity and Judaism before posting. Funny how you seem more articulate in posts defending jews.....

The other side does not have any concrete evidence that you seem to want from "Pro Mossad theorists". The jews do control the mainstream media and are better at faking stuff but I have not seen any real convincing evidence on who was behind 9/11.

 

[jaxvid]

You can never be sure with an incident like this what really happened. It would be too easy for either side to fabricate or fake evidence. No amount of paper or testimony would change the fact that anything can be faked. I wasn't there, I'm not a forensic expert all I have to go on is my own personal belief about things.

People who don't believe the official story feel that way because they believe the leaders of our government are liars and phonies for who anything would be possible.

I think people who don't agree with the idea of conspiracy do so because to agree with such a thing would be to admit that there are some really psychotic scary people in charge of our nation.

Neither of those options are of much comfort. It is sad to realize so many people believe that our leaders are capable of such evil and it is equally as sad to admit that they are.

I don't think it should be an issue that divides. There should be an understanding amongst members here that the system is capable of horrendous atrocities without arguing over which ones they actually perpertrated or encouraged or allowed. There is enough going on that we can agree with each other that what they are doing is wrong.

 

[Carolina Speed]

mattgianone,

Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all of them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves. Matthew 21:12

Jesus knew the jewish merchants and jewish religious leaders were deceiving foreigners(Gentiles, you & me), so he cleared the temple. The moneychangers exchanged all international currency for the special temple coins-the only money the merchants would accept. They often deceived foreigners, Gentiles,you & me) who didn't know the exchange rates.

I can see Jesus going into WTC and turning over conference room tables and chairs of the boardrooms where illegal activities may be happening, but I doubt he would have caused the WTC to collapse. BTW, I know you were kidding about the Jesus remark.

Jesus was born of the virgin, Mary, into a jewish family, but his mother and father did not practice the religious hypocrisy of the jewish religious leaders of the day.(Sadducees, Pharisees)

Jesus was the Christ, the son of the living God, Matthew 16:16, hence where the word 'Christian' came from, followers of "The Christ". Jesus exposed the hypocrisy of the religious jewish leaders of the day.
He, Jesus, was not jewish from a religious perspective.

 

[Thrashen]

Oh well I lied. Ive looked over both arguments on this issue and Im going to take my side on it.

So you chose “your side,” huh? Would you care to explain this “side,” or should I save some time and watch the ubiquitous, banal, and contradictory mainstream newscasts from CNN, ABC, NBC, and FOX from a decade ago?

If I could find more information for the pro Mossad points of view I would change my mind. What I see is a huge amount of unsubstantiated accusations. The Arab highjackers were on the flight list, they were seen on video and they did smuggle aboard box cutters.

Members of Mossad are constantly tasked with infiltrating militant Palestinian organizations to acquire intelligence (and visa-versa). Many Israeli-Jews strongly resemble Arabic Palestinians (and visa-versa)….especially on grainy security camera footage at an airport. As for the “names on the flight list,” they mean nothing. Anyone can legally change their name at any time…or make up Arabic names on fake I.D.’s and passports.

In the early morning of 9/11/01, prior to 8:46am (a Tuesday), a team of five men set up professional camera equipment across the river from the World Trade Center in New Jersey. Dozens of eye-witnesses told the same story…they were anxionsly awaiting the incoming planes and screamed with delight as they struck the North Tower. They were jumping for joy, yelling insults, congratulating one another, and taking hundreds of still photos depicting themselves with the smoldering towers in the background. They were driving a white van, which featured the name of a phony business, “Urban Moving Systems.” The front company, of course, was owned by Dominick Suter, a Jew who seemingly dropped everything and immediately fled to Israel after 9-11 and was never apprehended or questioned. Below is said van…

After the North and South Towers were struck, police received an anonymous call stating that “Palestinian bomb-makers” driving a white van were now attempting to destroy the Holland Tunnel. Below are the transcripts from the call…

Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.

Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.

Caller: He's dressed like an Arab.

After numerous complaints from residents, police pulled the van over and searched the vehicle. They found maps of NY City with certain areas highlighted, box cutters (sound familiar), thousands of dollars, foreign passports, and traces of explosives (confirmed by bomb dogs). When talking with the police, one of them made the following statement…

We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.

Gee, I wonder who made that “anonymous” phone call impuning non-existant Palestinians?

All five men were eventually arrested…all were confirmed Mossad agents. After being detained for over two months in America, they were set free (internal pressure) and later appeared on an Israeli talk show. One of them made the following statement:

The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.

Hmm…and they just happened to have that camera equipment ready and waiting to yell “ACTION!” and their little Zionist “documentary” would begin. Here are two of the Yarmulke-heads…

This is merely the first chapter of many hundreds of Mossad connections to 9-11.

I watched the interview with Alan Sabrosky and he jsut kept saying this and that with no factual evidence and he kept seeming to hype that if America ever really found out what happened we would wipe Israel off the face of the map.

America attacking Israel? Never, not for any reason, under any circumstance, no matter what, ever. You are one naïve little twerp.

Why hasnt Obama done anything? We should be flying our bombers over Tel Aviv right now.

“We?” I hope you’re not referring to America. “We” is essentially Israel West. It’s alarming that you have the gall to refer to anyone as a “moron?”

If someone can print out some insurance papers or give me one name of those 4,000 Jews that were emailed beforehand Ill shutup.
Good luck yall.

No, you can perform your own research, little newbie. Here’s a hint…look into the “Odigo Messaging Service,” among other strange occurrences and forewarnings bestowed upon God’s Chosen People. Perhaps a more interesting and challenging task would be for you to “prove” that the System’s “official explanation” is legitimate. Good luck.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Even the deadgum emoticons are zionist/juden hacks! :kev::israel:

 

[werewolf]

werewolf...all good points you bring up but you're just going to drive yourself nuts trying to convince uninformed or ignorant people. As one of the posters used to have on his signature line "you can't win an argument with an ignorant person". It just leads to frustration.

Too true. They try o wear you down, and they have their Sayanim and the dumbed down crowd working all the internet forums. They just ignore everything and stare straight ahead chanting their mantras. As they say, Never argue with a pig it makes you look stupid and annoys the pig.

For some people, if the government gave them a lime and told them it was a lemon, they'd call it and consider it a lemon until the day they died, no matter how green it was or smaller in size. You could be passing them on the street and say, "Hey, nice lime you got there", and they'd say, "You mean lemon".

This subject has been covered a few times in other threads with some very good points being made by some of the posters regarding the holes in the official theory or evidence that supports other theories.

Personally, I find the subject very fascinating and don't believe the official story (or "fairy tale") at all and like to hear of new evidence or new theories, just like in the JFK assassination.

Basically, it comes down to "who benefited" and "follow the money" and then it's easy to see who that leads to...as well as to why we are in the situation we are in today in this country, both economically/financially and freedom-wise (or lack thereof) via the "Patriot" Act which was one of the other major reasons for the whole operation...to subvert the very freedoms guaranteed to us in the Bill of Rights of our Constitution and reduce it to just a "g*damned piece of paper" as G.W. referred to it as.

Yep, Israel was under enormous international pressure prior to 911. They had just held their so-called Anti-Racism (translation: Kill Whitey) Conference in "New" South Africa and Israel and USRael stormed out hand in hand when Israhell's name came up. 911 accomplished a lot for them. They made billions on the airline short sales and Larry's and Lowey's (that's the zionist that owned the WTC underground mall) "Jewish lightning" insurance, and they got the stupid goyim in the colony to destroy their #1 threat, resurgent Iraq, for them, plus they've been able to run roughshod over all their unfortunate neighbors, and then the Wall Street-military industrial complex zio-coalition crowd has been able to run roughshod over that annoying and "obsolete" Bill Of Rights and Constitution and launch their ever so lucrative War Without End

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[werewolf]

...
werewolf, don't stop posting about this subject. 911 should be an ongoing thread. I'm curious about one thing and forgive my ignorance, but are you saying Daniel Lewin was a trained pilot? Cal me naive, but during my service in the Marine Corps, everyone I talked to who were associated with Israel pilots said they were the best in the world! Just a comment I wanted to share.

I didn't say Lewin was a trained pilot. He may have been but I don't know. What he was was a member of Israel's military special forces, what they call the Sayaret Mitkal. He was a specialist in airrline commandeering. He was sitting right next to the alleged "Arab hijackers" according to the official stroy - and what are the odds of that!? Initial reports said that he - the person in the seat they said he was in - was shooting people. Then they changed it to stabbing people. Then they changed it to he got stabbed. And now they just plain don't like to mention him at all anymore. There was one other Israeli aboard, a mysterious female named Avraham. Apparently - out of the 4,000 Israelis who were working in or near the WTC on 911 + Larry Silverstein and his children and his company officers + Odigo and ZIM Israeli companies - these were the only two Israelis who died on 911 (Bush lied - and ain't that a novelty!) when he said that hundreds of Israelis died at the WTC on 911.

Another thing, the information you put out about the supposed terrorists drinking, buying porn movies in their hotels, going to strip clubs, etc. that information was all put out there by the media. Wonder why, that little bit hypocritical info was made public, but other controversial evidence has not?

Nothing -absolutely nothing! - about the official 911 fairy tale bears the slightest scrutiny or makes any sense. Another thing, they said their "Arab hijackers" conveniently left behind a Koran and a book in Arabic on how to fly a plane for them to find! That's the last thing a Moslem about to give his life for his God would do is leave behind a Koran! Did you know that those "Arab hijackers" who were busy goofing off at CIA-connected flight schools, living near the Israeli art student spy gang (the biggest spy gang ever busted in teh USA - and now completely disappeared from the news - memory holed), across the street from NSA headquarters, and living on military bases and getting admitted to the USA in the first place only by government intervention - did you know they also visited GOP jewish mafia mobster Jack Abramoff on his casino boat!?


ww




I'm with Highlander, I find this discussion fascinating![/QUOTE

 

[werewolf]

I can't say for sure that Israel pulled off 911 but I can say with certainty that 19 Muslims with boxcutters did not. werewolf, claims to be an expert on the subject and with all of the information he has espoused, I don't doubt that he is. However, I can understand some of you being skeptical about his level of "expertise" ...

I don't know about being an "expert". I just said it was my specialty. It's my "specialty" because I recognized it for a scam right from day one. I'm a pretty good bull**** detector. It's like my my job you see.

What first tipped me off that it wasn't kosher was all the media, all in unison, all trotting out their experts, all made up and coiffed, five minutes after the second tower was hit, and all saying that the Arabs did it. Whoa, said I, this isn't Arab modus operandi. What evidence are they using to pin the rap on Arabs so quickly, and on Bin Ladin in particular? Those poor schmucks in their over 50 year struggle against the zionist invaders have never been able to devise anything more advanced than strapping a bomb around their waist and getting on a bus. Plus there are lots of people who have very good reason to want revenge upon the USA, the Serbs for instance.

The second thing was that they were saying they never imagined that such a thing could happen and they were only prepared for an attack from overseas. Whoa again! They should have hired me then. That's the first thing I would have thought of. Why, I even read best selling book by Tom Clancy on the very thing, Debt of Honor!

They were telling us that for many months - and then it came out that not only had they thought of such a scenario, but they were holding multiple war games on the very thing that very morning! Note the same thing in London on 77 - they were holding war games on the very thing that happened - and also, like all the 911 airports and the WTC complex the London Underground had Israeli security!

Anyway, those were the two things that tipped me right off that they were lying about what was happening. There have been a few thousand more since then.



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[werewolf]

"Well architects and engineers for 911 truth is a great website with over 1,500 professionals coming forward to expose the fraud. Please check it out.

http://www.ae911truth.org/"



Yep. And here are a few more:


PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/





SCIENTISTS FOR 911 TRUTH:

http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/




US MILITARY OFFICERS FOR 911 TRUTH:

http://www.militaryofficersfor911truth.org/




ACTORS AND ARTISTS FOR 911 TRUTH:

http://www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org/




ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FOR 911 TRUTH:

http://www.ae911truth.org/




FIREFIGHTERS FOR 911 TRUTH

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/



MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS FOR 911 TRUTH
http://mp911truth.org


SCHOLARS FOR 911 TRUTH
http://911scholars.org


VETERANS FOR 911 TRUTH
http://v911t.org


LAWYERS FOR 911 TRUTH
http://l911t.com


RELIGIOUS LEADERS FOR 911 TRUTH
http://rl911truth.org

 

[werewolf]

mattgianone:

"Oh well I lied.

Well, you started off on an honest note, but unfortunately it's downhill from there.

Ive looked over both arguments on this issue

Lying again.

and Im going to take my side on it. If I could find more information for the pro Mossad points of view I would change my mind.

You're lying. You didn't look at this that I linked above:

Israel did 9/11 - ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5367



What I see is a huge amount of unsubstantiated accusations. The Arab highjackers were on the flight list,

Lie. The official flight list -a legal document - has never been released. The flight lists shown on the media post-911 contained no Arab names, nor did the FBI's phony DNA list from the Pentagon.

they were seen on video

You're still lying. There should be hundreds if not thousands of airport surveillance videos and boarding videos all neatly time date and location stamped of those 19 Arab hijackers all carrying their steamer trunks full of hijack gear - box cutters, knives, bombs, mace, gas masks, navigational equipment - all mentioned in the official fairy tale. Airports are and were festooned with surveillance cameras all going at 24 frames per second. But there are none, zero.

and they did smuggle aboard box cutters.

Then where are the testimonies of the airport metal detector checkpoint personnel who let all those Arabs through? I remember pre-911 getting the works at one of those checkpoints just because a coin in a pocket or a rivet on my shoe or jeans set off their metal detectors. They're nowhere that's where. And where are the tapes on the ATC's on duty that day and the ATC post-911 debriefing tapes? Oh that's right, government agents came to the airports confiscated all of them and shredded them and then dispersed the shredded tapes!


I love how bla bla bla...




Homework assignment for honest people - not for fools and Sayanim:

911 - Missing Links

http://www.911missinglinks.com/





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[Thrashen]

Great posts, WW. Thanks for those links.

“mattgiononeâ€￾ has been flaming me via PM concerning Mossad’s involvement in 9-11. It seems the poor goyboy doesn’t have the fortitude to post his nasty, inarticulate, fact-barren remarks in this thread.

He’s really the archetypal modern white American...an uninformed wise-ass who doesn’t realize he’s merely a corporate, Zionist, and governmental sycophant.

 

[FootballDad]

Of course, in bashing mattgionone on his perceived naivete in regards to 9/11, you guys also busy throwing insults his way. mattgionone and his previous handle, mattharper has been one of the hardest-working posters in locating high-school talent for Caste Football to promote. But I suppose, that you can go ahead and alienate a good, and knowledgeable football poster so that you can try to change the world through 9/11 "exposure". Why not dedicate the same amount and passion to something that is far more pressing, such as the criminal Federal Reserve and banking cartels that are going to dissolve whatever is left of this country?

 

[Carolina Speed]

Of course, in bashing mattgionone on his perceived naivete in regards to 9/11, you guys also busy throwing insults his way. mattgionone and his previous handle, mattharper has been one of the hardest-working posters in locating high-school talent for Caste Football to promote. But I suppose, that you can go ahead and alienate a good, and knowledgeable football poster so that you can try to change the world through 9/11 "exposure". Why not dedicate the same amount and passion to something that is far more pressing, such as the criminal Federal Reserve and banking cartels that are going to dissolve whatever is left of this country?

I think where mattgianone went wrong was when he called the posters: werewolf and thrashen, morons and paranoid before he knew what he was getting into. He was asking for alienation!

With that said, I have posted since and had asked, to stop piling on mattgianone, so to speak and tried to reach out to him and others somewhat with questions and posts of my own about 911, jews, christianity, etc. because I'm not as knowledgeable, but I would hope I wouldn't be name-calling to the posters who have sent fascinating information we might learn something from. He made a mistake, let's move on and enjoy more posts about 911. We've all spoke before listening at some point in our lives.

mattgianone, keep up the good work as footballdad said on the high school prospects, I enjoyed that too.

Thanks werewolf and thrashen for the info on 911.

 

[FootballDad]

Thanks for the post, CarolinaSpeed. This thread, and those like it, are one reason why I don't particularly like how all new posts and post topics are bunched all together. I liked it far better when the Happy Hour section was basically a separate area from the rest. Topics such as this, blended in with core mission areas such as football, soccer, track, basketball, etc., can be detrimental in our quest to bring new posters and educate DWFs. Topics such as this, regardless of validity, are extremely polarizing and will cause normal, mainstream "sheeple" to quickly dismiss our core message. Now, I like the lively debate and fascinating information supplied by the knowledgeable posters on subjects such as this, but feel it would be beneficial to newbies if the Happy Hour could be somewhat segregated as it was on the WebWiz forum.

 

[Freethinker]

I agree with Carolina Speed. mattgianone did jump in over his head with the "paranoid" talk but lets give him a chance to absorb some of the information. It sure is a shell shock to learn "our" government at the top are a bunch of criminals who do not have our best interest at heart. Maybe he will someday realize this. After all, I was similar to him in my early college days until I saw Fahrenheit 9-11 and then Loose Change. The 911 Truth Movement is what opened my eyes to many things including this site and Ron Paul. If I hadn't been exposed to that, I would have rejected the ideas of a caste system in football as preposterous. We all have had our "light-bulb" or enlightening moments otherwise none of us would be here. Let's cut him some slack, after all he would run circles around us the the area of White high school football talent. We are all here to learn from each other, which leads me to this.

Thank you werewolf and Thrashen for all the great info on this thread. I'll have to check out some of those sites. We must remember that 911, the OKC bombing, Fort Hood shooting, "underwear" bomber and other false flag attacks are ALWAYS important to study and discuss. We need to wake up the public to this tool of the ruling elite so that we can stop them from performing another or if they unfortunately do, recognize it for what it is and bring the scum to justice. If we don't wake up, we will continue to fight wars against "enemies" abroad and have our freedoms and liberties diminished at home until we have none left.

 

[Don Wassall]

Thanks for the post, CarolinaSpeed. This thread, and those like it, are one reason why I don't particularly like how all new posts and post topics are bunched all together. I liked it far better when the Happy Hour section was basically a separate area from the rest. Topics such as this, blended in with core mission areas such as football, soccer, track, basketball, etc., can be detrimental in our quest to bring new posters and educate DWFs. Topics such as this, regardless of validity, are extremely polarizing and will cause normal, mainstream "sheeple" to quickly dismiss our core message. Now, I like the lively debate and fascinating information supplied by the knowledgeable posters on subjects such as this, but feel it would be beneficial to newbies if the Happy Hour could be somewhat segregated as it was on the WebWiz forum.

That's a good point, Football Dad. I'll have to see if new posts can be segregated by forum ala the last board.

As far as the "argument" in this thread to me the lesson is for posters to post in areas where they are knowledgeable. Just busting in and calling people names, especially on a topic like 9/11, is bound to make things emotional. You won't find many posts from me in the UFC forum, and for good reason. Quantity of posts is nice, but quantity without quality is not.

 

[werewolf]

QUOTE=Freethinker;221856]I agree with Carolina Speed. mattgianone did jump in over his head with the "paranoid" talk but lets give him a chance to absorb some of the information.

He gives no appearance of being an honest and intelligent person who's interested in absorbing anything. He dived in like a full blown zio-shill in full froth. Just check out his first post and then all his other posts.

But actually I like those shills. If you try to pin them down on anything specific they just slink back into the woodwork like ****roaches. You can even see that on this little thread. It's very educational for any actual honest and intelligent people who may be looking in and uneducated on the critical topic because the official story can in no way shape of form be defended in rational debate. All they can do is call names and try to mock. Why, even their own hand picked 911 Cover-Up Commission expressed their disgust in their own cover up!

Even Bush's 911 cover up commissioners themselves now call for a real 911 investigation!

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way - conflicts of interest".

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."

http://911summary.com/


"It sure is a shell shock to learn "our" government at the top are a bunch of criminals who do not have our best interest at heart. Maybe he will someday realize this. After all, I was similar to him in my early college days until I saw Fahrenheit 9-11 and then Loose Change.


But those films were also damage control. They won't mention the 800 pound gorilla in the 911 living room, Israel. That's why they were allowed to be shown on tv and in theaters.

The 911 Truth Movement is what opened my eyes to many things including this site and Ron Paul. If I hadn't been exposed to that, I would have rejected the ideas of a caste system in football as preposterous. We all have had our "light-bulb" or enlightening moments otherwise none of us would be here. Let's cut him some slack, after all he would run circles around us the the area of White high school football talent. We are all here to learn from each other, which leads me to this.

Thank you werewolf and Thrashen for all the great info on this thread. I'll have to check out some of those sites. We must remember that 911, the OKC bombing, Fort Hood shooting, "underwear" bomber and other false flag attacks are ALWAYS important to study and discuss.

Every single one of their bull**** wars was started by some false flag and/or fake terror attacks and/or fake atrocity stories and/or stories about how the latest victim du jour wants to take over the world etc.

Guy goes on about how could they keep it secret. You think that there weren't people who knew that The Gulf of Tonkin was a hoax, Sadam's yellow cake and weapons of mass destruction, Milosovich's death camps, the Japanese code getting broken en route to Pearl Harbor, Hitler not really planning to take over the world and change Christian crosses into swastikas (FDR gave speech saying he had secret proof of that right before Pearl Harbor), Huns not really cutting off Belgian babies hands, Fort Sumpter not really being huge massacre, etc etc etc. Only now it doesn't take 50 years for the truth to come out because we have the free internet and we can bypass their ownership and control of the mass media. But you need a brain and a will first.

We need to wake up the public to this tool of the ruling elite so that we can stop them from performing another or if they unfortunately do, recognize it for what it is and bring the scum to justice. If we don't wake up, we will continue to fight wars against "enemies" abroad and have our freedoms and liberties diminished at home until we have none left.

Thanks.

General Smedley Butler, the most decorated Marine in US history: "War is a racket."


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[werewolf]

Thanks for the post, CarolinaSpeed. This thread, and those like it, are one reason why I don't particularly like how all new posts and post topics are bunched all together. I liked it far better when the Happy Hour section was basically a separate area from the rest. Topics such as this, blended in with core mission areas such as football, soccer, track, basketball, etc., can be detrimental in our quest to bring new posters and educate DWFs. Topics such as this, regardless of validity, are extremely polarizing and will cause normal, mainstream "sheeple" to quickly dismiss our core message. Now, I like the lively debate and fascinating information supplied by the knowledgeable posters on subjects such as this, but feel it would be beneficial to newbies if the Happy Hour could be somewhat segregated as it was on the WebWiz forum.

Ya think? I disagree. You see that on Stormfront too. A lot of guys are there just because they hate n's. Well, what rational person doesn't? Even Jews hate n's (schwartzes they call them). But aside from that they are totally with the dumbed down zio-program, waving their little (made in China) American flags, shilling it up for the the party line, banging their little war drums.


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[werewolf]

Of course, in bashing mattgionone on his perceived naivete in regards to 9/11, you guys also busy throwing insults his way. mattgionone and his previous handle, mattharper has been one of the hardest-working posters in locating high-school talent for Caste Football to promote. But I suppose, that you can go ahead and alienate a good, and knowledgeable football poster so that you can try to change the world through 9/11 "exposure". Why not dedicate the same amount and passion to something that is far more pressing, such as the criminal Federal Reserve and banking cartels that are going to dissolve whatever is left of this country?

Those things are vitally important too, but I think their whole stinking house of cards are built upon two devils lies, 911 and the Hollow Hoax. They have killed and maimed and tortured and raped and rendered homeless millions of poor people around the world, and destroyed entire nations, all based upon their own false flag 911 attacks, and who knows how many Americans have died - because they cook their casualty books and don't even include their mercenaries ("contractors") in the numbers, and they even forbid casualty photos in their controlled mass media, and they have gutted our freedoms and are reducing what was once the USA to a impoverished - except, of course, for the lords and masters themselves - multiracial hellhole of a police state.


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[werewolf]

Great posts, WW. Thanks for those links.

“mattgiononeâ€￾ has been flaming me via PM concerning Mossad’s involvement in 9-11. It seems the poor goyboy doesn’t have the fortitude to post his nasty, inarticulate, fact-barren remarks in this thread.

He’s really the archetypal modern white American...an uninformed wise-ass who doesn’t realize he’s merely a corporate, Zionist, and governmental sycophant.

Thank you, kamerad!


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[werewolf]

Ill keep this simple. If you think 911 was anything but an attack planned by Osama Bin Laden and his cohorts you are a complete moron. Go hide in your bomb shelter with your guns and wait for Armageddon. Why are their so many paranoid small minded people in the world? Yes a lot of things can be said that this was some conspiracy but basic logic contradicts this.

Even Bush's 911 cover up commissioners themselves now call for a real 911 investigation!

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way - conflicts of interest".

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."

http://911summary.com/

 

[Thrashen]

Of course, in bashing mattgionone on his perceived naivete in regards to 9/11, you guys also busy throwing insults his way. mattgionone and his previous handle, mattharper has been one of the hardest-working posters in locating high-school talent for Caste Football to promote. But I suppose, that you can go ahead and alienate a good, and knowledgeable football poster so that you can try to change the world through 9/11 "exposure". Why not dedicate the same amount and passion to something that is far more pressing, such as the criminal Federal Reserve and banking cartels that are going to dissolve whatever is left of this country?

This thread isn’t the first occasion in which “MattHarper” / “MattGionone” has randomly flamed someone in a thread in which he showed little interest in constructing counter-arguments or even displaying the most elementary knowledge of the subject he was allegedly “debating.” Just ask the poster, “Anak.”

A few months back, he created a strange, unintelligible thread in Happy Hour in which he openly admitted to being “so drunk right now.” The thread was so ridiculously inane that it was deleted within a few hours. In my opinion, he shouldn’t be trusted. I hope he proves me wrong.

In the past few days, he’s sent me some abusive PMs…but, nevertheless, I do regret personally insulting him in this informative thread.