2020 NFL Week 15

[Freethinker]

I don't want to sound like a a-hole but giving Sean Payton credit for starting Taysom for 4 games is a little cucked IMO. Payton should have started him last year when Brees went down instead of Bridgewater. Winston, with his 28-45 career record leading the league in fumbles one year in only 13 games and interceptions with 30 last year shouldn't be a thought. Payton has never come out and declared Hill the aire apparent and seems to be running away from that in his most recent interviews by implying that Winston could be the starter next year. Brees was admittedly not fully recovered and hadn't had a full week of practice yet Payton started a rusty not fully recovered Brees instead of doing what coaches should do and tell him to take an extra week. The result was they lost a game where the opposing team punted 8 times and lost a fumble once deep in their own territory. Brees had three tds, a screen pass, a shovel pass, and a good ten yard pass. He was 15-34 with an int and couple more balls that should have been intercepted. It was a bad coaching decision to start Brees in that kind of shape. Based on Payton's words in his most recent interviews, if Brees should go down again I fully expect Winston to be declared the starting QB. In fact, Covid may have gotten in the way of him playing this game after Bree's awful start.

As for Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers getting credit and being mobile dual threat athletic qbs, they don't compare to Taysom Hill. Josh Allen has been the media's whipping boy for 2 years and still gets criticism and has media detractors (Nick Wright) despite what I think should be an MVP season. He has superior athleticism and can be a dual threat anytime he wants. As for Aaron Rodger, he has nifty feet but his athleticism is no where close to Allen's and way far away from Hill's. It's not comparable. Aaron is not looked at as a dual threat QB in any way.

As for Hill being 30, who cares if you're 30 and still run a 4.4?d Age is only a concern if it affects your physical skills. Is the big fear that he may slow down in a few years to a 4.6? And it's not as if 30 is ancient number for a QB to be starting - Steve Young didn't start for the 49ers until after 30 and same goes for Kurt Warner - neither of whom were the athletic specimen that Hill is.

I'd like to be a Bree's fan but he's wearing "say her name" shirts. Unless this is being forced on him, which it may be, then I find myself not quite rooting for him so hard.

I agree for the reasons you explained.

To me, Hill is in the rare Tim Tebow or Johnny Manziel mold. A quarterback who plays the style that only blacks are allowed, which is having designed runs and the attitude to take off running as often as they like. Manziel self destructed, but even before he did, he was being forced into being a pocket passer. Tebow had a short run with Denver where he had some success but they never gave him the creative dual threat playbook he had in college. Then they turned him into a WSTD like they did to Hill. IMO, Hill is overall more talented than Tebow and Payton is slightly more fair of a coach so he’s forced himself into an opportunity. The true test is if Brees retires. Will Payton have the balls to name Hill the starter or will he “Tebow” him?

 

[wile]

IMO Hill should have played that game. One thing I noticed and maybe long time Brees watchers could inform me if I am wrong. On a goal line play Kamara went wide and Brees rolled out in that direction but Brees ignored him even as Kamara IMO would have made the TD if the ball had been thrown to him, instead Drew threw an incompletion to a guy well covered in the end zone. So does anyone think there is bad blood between Drew and BLM Kamara?

 

[Freethinker]

IMO Hill should have played that game. One thing I noticed and maybe long time Brees watchers could inform me if I am wrong. On a goal line play Kamara went wide and Brees rolled out in that direction but Brees ignored him even as Kamara IMO would have made the TD if the ball had been thrown to him, instead Drew threw an incompletion to a guy well covered in the end zone. So does anyone think there is bad blood between Drew and BLM Kamara?

Perhaps but I doubt Brees would let it carry over to the field. That’s something a negro would do but I think 99% of White athletes would put the team first and do “what’s best” to win.

Plus Brees (who I love as a player) is a cuck when it comes to defending his political beliefs. He folded like a cheap suit as fast as lightning from the slightest bit of pressure for his mild (even by 2020 standards) viewpoint. He has the fame, money and gravitas in the league to say F you I’m not apologizing for being a patriotic American, and he didn’t, so no way he’d punish his BLM teammates by denying them targets.

 

[wile]

I'm not going down the antagonize Don W. rabbit hole of politics/QBs but it sure looked like a big eff you to Kamara. Whatever I think of Kamara he is money one on one and that is what they had going and he had space.

I get the whole, yuck, yuck act whites have had for decades, but IMO them days are in the past, we smile and we hate. Call it the Irish way and I am only Scots-Irish.

 

[sprintstar]

The coaches do as they are told...period otherwise they will not have a job...period. Hill not starting is not the coaches decision...period. Brees is a top 5 QB when healthy, still Hill should have started as Brees is clearly not healthy. Owners call not the coaches...period. Having said that, Brees at 60% is still a far better choice than Winston.

 

[Don Wassall]

When Brees was healthy last year, Bridgewater was benched and the Saints went back to the proven QB. Same thing this year. If age and the accumulation of injuries hampers him down the stretch this season, I have no doubt Payton will go back to Hill (over Winston). If Brees retires and Winston is picked over Hill, then there is a real argument.

Brees should be credited for taking his stand as a patriot. Yes he backed down but that was at the beginning of the BLM/St. George Floyd onslaught when not a single public figure outside of Tucker Carlson was opposing it. I'm sure that all the members of the anti-White QB cult would have taken a stand and been driven out of the league and been harassed and maybe they and their family physically attacked if they were Brees, but realism has never been a feature of the cult. A lot has happened since then to discredit both BLM and Floyd. Any further attacks on Brees, who is as upstanding and as good a role model as there is, will be deleted.

 

[Freethinker]

I’m certainly not “anti white quarterbacks” as I support ever single one of our guys, even knuckleheads like Manziel. Drew Brees is easily one of my favorite players, on the field and off. And yes, he backed down, but at least he has those views to begin with so he’s better than most. So even after that ordeal, I still like him a great deal.

My only critique, and this goes for all public figures, is don’t express certain opinions if your not willing to defend them. Many football players never mention anything political or comment on any social current events. They could be a flaming lefty or a rightwing nationalist. We’ll never know and that’s probably for the best. Brees decided to enter into those discussions and since he did I think it’s fair to expect him to defend beliefs that he claimed were important to him. If not, he looks either insincere or that he holds a wrong position that deserves refutation. I guess the Overton Window moved so quickly on him that he got caught in a storm he wasn’t ready to weather.

Hopefully this isn’t seen as an attack on Brees. If it is, feel free to delete. I respect the site’s mission statement.

 

[La France Blanche]

I'd like to be a Brees fan but he's wearing "say her name" shirts. Unless this is being forced on him, which it may be, then I find myself not quite rooting for him so hard.

To say something in defense of Brees, considering what he went through earlier this year, I'd be willing to bet large amounts of money that this IS being forced on him.

 

[La France Blanche]

I guess the Overton Window moved so quickly in him that he got caught in a storm he wasn’t ready to weather.

The Overton Window's rapid shift to the extreme left has caught millions of us. A mere 15 years ago, homosexual marriage was a radical enough idea that even most liberal politicians shied away from it. Civil unions for homosexuals were as far as most of them were willing to go. Even Obama didn't "come out" in support of homosexual marriage until the middle of his presidency. Now, homosexual marriage has been forcibly legalized in every state (in most cases against the will of the voters), the majority of big-name Republicans support it, including Trump, and it's doubtful that any future Republican presidential candidate will ever oppose it again.

 

[Warhawk_46]

Honestly I see the Republican and Democrat parties dying fairly quickly - there will be two new parties in short order: a Patriot Party (national populist) and a Progressive Party (or Socialist Party of America) as the country has split and so wide is the gulf between the sides that no common ground will be found.

 

[The Hock]

Nice Jake Kumerow TD snag. One third of the current NFL receivers would have managed to make this into an incompletion.

 

[La France Blanche]

I hope the Bills go all the way. They're a "lite" version of the White-friendly Bills team of the early 90s that went up against the heavily coal Dallas Cowboys.

 

[Don Wassall]

The Bengals with 2 wins and 3 White starters. . .

 

[La France Blanche]

Crawfords vs. Bungles...

On a slightly better note over the past 4 weeks Patrick Laird has had 10 carries for 54 yards. Not many touches but it's about as much action as they're going to give us for White RBs until C-Mac comes back.

 

[Don Wassall]

The Steelers' offense has been putrid for the past month. The offensive line isn't very good, they have zero running game, the receivers have been dropping astronomical numbers of balls, and most alarmingly Big Ben's arm strength seems to be decreasing as the season goes along. He missed last season with an elbow issue, had it fixed with surgery, but now at 38 may be on the decline. He's as tough as they come but took a tremendous beating early in his career.

 

[Johnny_U]

Crawfords vs. Bungles...

On a slightly better note over the past 4 weeks Patrick Laird has had 10 carries for 54 yards. Not many touches but it's about as much action as they're going to give us for White RBs until C-Mac comes back.

I’ve been here for over a decade and I still have no idea where the “Crawfords” name for the Steelers came from lol

 

[Rocky B]

I’ve been here for over a decade and I still have no idea where the “Crawfords” name for the Steelers came from lol

Pittsburgh had a negro league team called the Crawfords back in the day.....

 

[La France Blanche]

Ryan Finley finished with 10 carries for 47 yards and a rushing TD (in addition to a passing TD). That's something, I guess.

 

[dwid]

Pretty sure for Brees the say her name stuff is forced on him...he lost the entire locker room with his comments. It sounds silly because it is, but he might as well have said the n word. There's still people who won't "forgive" him.

As far as Hill, it seems like they have trained him not to scramble because he doesn't do it as often as he should, at least in the last Eagles game and no designed run plays except qb power. I think he still has a learning curve if he wants to play like a traditional drop back qb, he's a bit slow at making his progressions but can often make up for it by the sheer velocity. For example he'll be a tad late on a throw allowing a db to gain ground but his arm is so strong he can still fit in in there. It is ridiculous to not use his athletic skillset, doesn't have to be a staple, just enough to make the defense have to account for the running but perhaps Payton realizes that stuff is a gimmick and doesn't last long for those types of qbs and does actually envision him as a Steve Young. Young was super athletic and only ran as last resort and often ran to extend plays.

As great as Brees is he's never had this kind of arm strength and at his age this isn't something he can do any more but is so good at anticipation and reading coverages it's not a big factor. I don't think he was rushed back but he was playing with mostly practice squad receivers and his tight end Cook played like garbage, I think Trautman should get the nod.

There was a play Mahomes threw with no receiver in the area and no intentional grounding called. On the other side there was a corner blitz and Cook was supposed to go upfield in that situation and that's where Brees threw it, except Cook is an idiot and wasn't there. Intentional grounding called. And the interaction on the sideline looked like Cook didn't respect Brees at all so I think it's insane to keep him as a starter even if Trautman is a small school rookie I think he can play better than Cook. They say the biggest transition for tight ends is the blocking and he's already got that down

 

[La France Blanche]

There was a play Mahomes threw with no receiver in the area and no intentional grounding called. On the other side there was a corner blitz and Cook was supposed to go upfield in that situation and that's where Brees threw it, except Cook is an idiot and wasn't there. Intentional grounding called. And the interaction on the sideline looked like Cook didn't respect Brees at all so I think it's insane to keep him as a starter even if Trautman is a small school rookie I think he can play better than Cook.

Last week Jared Goff got called for intentional grounding on a play that was less egregious than Mahomes'. Just one of the observations I made after watching highlight videos.

 

[Phall]

I took a few minutes to compile the white stat aggregators from this past week. It only took a few minutes because there are hardly any whities being trotted out there.

There were 16 games in total. Of the 32 starting quarterbacks, 21 were white and compiled a winning record of 11-10. Nine black QB's went 4-5, and the two non-white QB's split their outcomes. The Seattle vs Washington matchup excluded any white quarterbacks, rushers, or receivers. I think they were the only two teams this week to pull that off.

There were a whopping SEVEN rushing attempts logged by white non-QB's, plus a pair by Taysom Hill, who did not throw a pass.

Total rushers:
R. Finley (QB) 10-47-1
D. Lock (QB) 5-37
Trubisky (QB) 8-34
J. Allen (QB) 3-33-2
Rodgers (QB) 5-26-1
Cousins (QB) 3-25
Tannehill (QB) 3-21-2
Laird (RB) 2-20
S. Darnold (QB) 5-18
M. Ryan (QB) 1-16
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J. Herbert (QB) 4-14-1
Stafford (QB) 2-12
Mayfield (QB) 4-11
C. Daniel (QB) 1-11
Minshew (QB) 2-9
J. Goff (QB) 1-9
A. Dalton (QB) 2-8
N. Mullens (QB) 1-7
K. Juszczyk (FB) 2-4
T. Hill (QB) 2-3-1
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C. Mccoy (QB) 2-3
A. Ingold (FB) 1-2
B. Bell (TE) 1-2
B. Zylstra (WR) 1-1
Roethlisberger (QB) 2-(-1)

From 32 teams, 12 included a white WR who appeared in the box score. The "0-0" stat line means that an incompletion was thrown their way. There were 51 total white players "targeted" overall and 13 white touchdown catches. The Bills jumped off the page with four whities in the box score.

Total receivers:
C. Beasley (WR) 8-112
Z. Ertz (TE) 2-69
T. Kelce (TE) 8-68-1
T. Higbee (TE) 4-67-1
M. Andrews (TE) 5-66-1
H. Henry (TE) 5-65-1
T. Conklin (TE) 3-57-1
C. Hansen (WR) 2-55-1
C. Brate (TE) 4-54
D. Arnold (TE) 3-54
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T. Eifert (TE) 3-51
C. Kupp (WR) 4-39
D. Goedert (TE) - 4-39
D. Knox (TE) 2-36-1
Kahale Warring (TE) 2-32
Gronkowski (TE) 3-29
K. Juszczyk (FB) 1-25
J. Kumerow (WR) 1-22-1
F. Moreau (TE) 1-22
H. Hurst (TE) 4-21-1
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C. Beebe (WR) 2-21
R. Cracraft (WR) - 2-21
L. Stocker (TE) 2-21
Amendola (WR) 3-20
S. Miller (WR) 3-20
A. Firkser (TE) 1-20
H. Bryant (TE) 2-19
R. Tonyan (TE) 3-18-1
Hockenson (TE) 2-18
J. Hollister (TE) 2-17-1
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D. Schultz (TE) 2-14-1
J. Doyle (TE) 2-14
C. Kmet (TE) 2-12
Thielen (WR) 2-11-1
J. James (TE) 1-11
P. Ricard (RB) 2-10
B. Bell (TE) 1-10
B. Berrios (WR) 2-9
M. Burton (RB) 1-9
J. O’Shaunessy (TE) 1-6
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H. Renfrow (WR) 1-4
D. Sample (TE) 1-4
D. Keene (TE) 1-2
K. Smith (TE) 1-0
A. Ingold (FB) 0-0
N. Vannett (TE) 0-0
L. Smith (TE) 0-0
T. Hill (QB) 0-0
E. Tomlinson (TE) 0-0
J. Holtz (TE) 0-0
A. Erickson (WR) 0-0

 

[Flint]

Nice job Phall

That’s a pretty bad week for receivers. Kelce , Cupp, and Theilan were way down. I sure miss Edelman

and CMac!

 

[Leonardfan]

I took a few minutes to compile the white stat aggregators from this past week. It only took a few minutes because there are hardly any whities being trotted out there.

There were 16 games in total. Of the 32 starting quarterbacks, 21 were white and compiled a winning record of 11-10. Nine black QB's went 4-5, and the two non-white QB's split their outcomes. The Seattle vs Washington matchup excluded any white quarterbacks, rushers, or receivers. I think they were the only two teams this week to pull that off.

There were a whopping SEVEN rushing attempts logged by white non-QB's, plus a pair by Taysom Hill, who did not throw a pass.

Total rushers:
R. Finley (QB) 10-47-1
D. Lock (QB) 5-37
Trubisky (QB) 8-34
J. Allen (QB) 3-33-2
Rodgers (QB) 5-26-1
Cousins (QB) 3-25
Tannehill (QB) 3-21-2
Laird (RB) 2-20
S. Darnold (QB) 5-18
M. Ryan (QB) 1-16
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J. Herbert (QB) 4-14-1
Stafford (QB) 2-12
Mayfield (QB) 4-11
C. Daniel (QB) 1-11
Minshew (QB) 2-9
J. Goff (QB) 1-9
A. Dalton (QB) 2-8
N. Mullens (QB) 1-7
K. Juszczyk (FB) 2-4
T. Hill (QB) 2-3-1
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C. Mccoy (QB) 2-3
A. Ingold (FB) 1-2
B. Bell (TE) 1-2
B. Zylstra (WR) 1-1
Roethlisberger (QB) 2-(-1)

From 32 teams, 12 included a white WR who appeared in the box score. The "0-0" stat line means that an incompletion was thrown their way. There were 51 total white players "targeted" overall and 13 white touchdown catches. The Bills jumped off the page with four whities in the box score.

Total receivers:
C. Beasley (WR) 8-112
Z. Ertz (TE) 2-69
T. Kelce (TE) 8-68-1
T. Higbee (TE) 4-67-1
M. Andrews (TE) 5-66-1
H. Henry (TE) 5-65-1
T. Conklin (TE) 3-57-1
C. Hansen (WR) 2-55-1
C. Brate (TE) 4-54
D. Arnold (TE) 3-54
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T. Eifert (TE) 3-51
C. Kupp (WR) 4-39
D. Goedert (TE) - 4-39
D. Knox (TE) 2-36-1
Kahale Warring (TE) 2-32
Gronkowski (TE) 3-29
K. Juszczyk (FB) 1-25
J. Kumerow (WR) 1-22-1
F. Moreau (TE) 1-22
H. Hurst (TE) 4-21-1
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C. Beebe (WR) 2-21
R. Cracraft (WR) - 2-21
L. Stocker (TE) 2-21
Amendola (WR) 3-20
S. Miller (WR) 3-20
A. Firkser (TE) 1-20
H. Bryant (TE) 2-19
R. Tonyan (TE) 3-18-1
Hockenson (TE) 2-18
J. Hollister (TE) 2-17-1
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D. Schultz (TE) 2-14-1
J. Doyle (TE) 2-14
C. Kmet (TE) 2-12
Thielen (WR) 2-11-1
J. James (TE) 1-11
P. Ricard (RB) 2-10
B. Bell (TE) 1-10
B. Berrios (WR) 2-9
M. Burton (RB) 1-9
J. O’Shaunessy (TE) 1-6
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H. Renfrow (WR) 1-4
D. Sample (TE) 1-4
D. Keene (TE) 1-2
K. Smith (TE) 1-0
A. Ingold (FB) 0-0
N. Vannett (TE) 0-0
L. Smith (TE) 0-0
T. Hill (QB) 0-0
E. Tomlinson (TE) 0-0
J. Holtz (TE) 0-0
A. Erickson (WR) 0-0

Caste system in a nutshell right there. White athletes can't prove anything when they aren't given an opportunity. Guys like Nelson, Woodhead, Welker, Hillis, Edelman etc. have done nothing to dent to the anti-white agenda that NFL teams, front offices, scouts, college coaches, college recruiters, high school coaches take as gospel.