2020 NFL Draft

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Red raider said:
I really hope Bailey Gaither gets a chance. His body type and speed reminds me of Kevin Curtis, who had a decent career in the NFL. The NFL needs a white speedster WR like him, we haven’t had one since Jordy Nelson’s prime. Even though Jordy was a 4.5 runner he was a great deep threat.
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Well, there's a speedster on Cardinals, goes by Isabella.
 
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Jordy exposes the great lie regarding the 40 yard dash. Jordy not only outran all the cornerbacks he left in the dust who had 4.3-4.4 speed he pulled away from them like they were nailed to the turf. Nobody caught Jordy from behind.

Jordy had true sprinter speed known as deep speed. Before the NFL prick brass decided that the 40 is the end all when it comes to speed most wide receivers were timed in the 100 yard dash. Which of course is a better measure of true speed. Keep in mind even baseball times their players with a longer distance. The 60 yard dash is a staple speed measuring stick for baseball. They also time players from home to first on hits and bunts.

I know dwid had mentioned him previously. Dayton wide receiver Ryan Skibinski worked out at the Northwestern pro day and had an excellent vertical leap of 39.5 inches. His 40 time was 4.52. He will have to earn an NFL spot the long hard way meaning his chances are slim to nil.

Down the road look for two wide from FBS schools to run in the 4.3 range. That would be Bailey Gaither from San Jose State mentioned above by Red raider and Penn State's Dan Chisena.
 
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Red raider said:
“Off the top of my head Finke may be our best hope next year for a WR drafted. I say if he puts up 700+ yards he should get a combine invite for next year. Most of college football is aware of who he is by now, and media loves his personality and always swarms to him. It’s so easy to find interviews of him because they always want to talk to him.”

I’m proud of this post from last year, it aged well and Finke got a combine invite with less stats than I projected. I sometimes think we have an influence on the decisions such as inviting Finke and Muse to the combine. I really have a hunch that a team will draft Chris Finke, I really don’t see him going undrafted this year. I feel like the white slot receivers started to die out a little bit but with Hunter Renfrow’s success last year it kinda rejuvenated the interest in quick slot receivers. I think the NFL realizes that Finke is talented but the Notre Dame system didn’t allow him to become a star. He will make a team very happy and I think he will have a solid career.
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Good call on Finke and yes he is our "best" hope. But his 40 yard dash time at the Combine did him no favors despite an impressive 40 inch vertical leap. As I mentioned before for the life of me I don't understand why he ran the 40 if he was dealing with a hammy issue. See article below that expounds on that notion.

https://slapthesign.com/2020/02/29/notre-dame-football-chris-finkes-combine/

There is a suggestion teams "knew" he was banged up and took that into consideration. Fine. But why run the 40 then? He should have just done the vertical and let it be. He did not perform any other drills and to the best of my knowledge he didn't participate in the on field drills either. I feel like strangling his agent. Guy skips nearly every Combine event because of an injury yet decides to run the 40 at a half speed? Golly gee a slow 40 time for white wide receivers is often a death sentence. Were they unaware of that blatant fact? Accordingly Finke has been left off of post combine mock drafts,

There is still hope however slim. If Finke gets fully healed, and thankfully his pro day is the first day of April, and he runs a blistering 40 he could redeem himself. However I would let his brain dead agent know that even if Finke does run a fast 40 on his pro day scouts often take pro day times with a grain of salt especially if said player is white.

So if Finke burns say a 4.41 40 on the Notre Dame pro day he must come out to the media and say he was injured when he ran the 40 at the combine. And that he actually is fast.



I think if he is healthy Finke will run in the 4.4 range at his pro day. Hoping for the best here. A longshot but it is all we have left.

Stay tuned.
 
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Damn, Skibinski said his best time was 4.41 and he thought he could get it lower. It's not a bad time but for a small school White kid it's not good to be hand timed at 4.5. Several sources said he ran 4.49. People think that .01 magically makes you better lol. Edelman ran a 4.5something and got a chance and Kupp ran a 4.6 , so maybe there's a chance he'll get a shot

One tweet said there were 10 scouts lined up to interview him. Maybe it's a good sign he'll be picked up as an UDFA
 
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Leonardfan said:
Yea I saw that article but it gives no mention of his workout numbers. In this day and age with twitter and every thing else it is shocking the info is not readily available.
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Agreed. shoot even five years ago I feel like it was easier to find postings of the workout numbers.
 
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dwid said:
It's like they don't want us to know certain players exist and they're given little publicity. The good news is every player has some form of social media so I just asked. If he gets back to me I'll post his times
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Definitely seems like it. Keep us posted!
 
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Joe Gaziano -4.89 40, 111’ broad

Got it from whole nine sports 2020 pro day schedule/tracker.
 
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Leonardfan said:
Thanks! Faster than Epenesea and more productive throughout his career too.
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Yea but Epenesa is Samoan and Samoans are super strong. Every non-white has some magical ability that can't be quantified or measured. So even though Gaziano had Similar production in the same conference against the same competition it was due to a Non-Stop motor and Relentless effort which is just not going to translate to the next level. He's just too stiff doesn't have the natural bend or whatever stupid adjectives they are going to throw out there to deny him a fair opportunity

Sorry I'm pessimistic today... whatever happened to Pollyanna lol
 
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dwid said:
Yea but Epenesa is Samoan and Samoans are super strong. Every non-white has some magical ability that can't be quantified or measured. So even though Gaziano had Similar production in the same conference against the same competition it was due to a Non-Stop motor and Relentless effort which is just not going to translate to the next level. He's just too stiff doesn't have the natural bend or whatever stupid adjectives they are going to throw out there to deny him a fair opportunity

Sorry I'm pessimistic today... whatever happened to Pollyanna lol
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Epenesa is really Eurasian, he has White mother, when I first saw him I thought he was ethnic Mexican. I only knew he was half Samoan when he wore ceremonial Samoan garb at an Iowa press conference. That said he is everything you describe his measurable aren't elite and may have problems being anything close to what he was at the NFL level.
 
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Epenesa is really Eurasian, he has White mother, when I first saw him I thought he was ethnic Mexican. I only knew he was half Samoan when he wore ceremonial Samoan garb at an Iowa press conference. That said he is everything you describe his measurable aren't elite and may have problems being anything close to what he was at the NFL level.
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I think that's the thing, just a little bit of non White blood automatically makes a prospect "legit" in the eyes of dwfs and "experts". He posted a mediocre time but that's ok because he "has a surprisingly explosive first step" and " his game is based on strength" yet he put up only 17 reps on the bench but that's ok because of "his 35 inch long arms and his production speaks for itself" but when a White guy has good production it's not enough, they need to have good measurables too, and sometimes even that's not enough. There's talks of him going top 10 and if he slips to the late first then he's a steal. He might become ok and he'll definitely get a ton of chances to prove himself, but if he were White I don't think he would be afforded the same luxury.
 
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A little bit of good news swamped by some bad news. It looks like the around the corner Michigan and Penn State pro days have been cancelled which means we won't get a chance to see speedster WR Dan Chisena's 40 yard dash. The hits just keep on coming.

But Clemson held their pro day today. For those fools who earlier swung and missed on Tanner Muse's speed he answered their post combine questions about his agility. He ran a quick 4.12 in the 20 yard shuttle and he would have placed 7th at the Combine for the fastest 3- Cone Drill with a 6.84 time. The word in the dictionary is STUD. Eat it raw caste ass wipe pretend draft gurus.

I edited this post. They listed Muse's 40 at 4.38 but I think that was off a combine time. I originally thought he ran the 40 again on his pro day but upon review I doubt it.
 
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Tanner Muse tested out to have elite athleticism. That, and his stellar play, should make him a 1st round pick, in a fair world. We're in an unfair, anti-white world however, so there's no telling where he'll go.

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Came across a couple more pro day results:

Wisconsin LB Travis Wiltjer - 4.64 40, 22 BP Reps - The Badgers did not use him much in his only season after transferring from a small school where he was dominant. Hopefully get gets a UDFA deal.

Colorado "FB" Beau Bisharat - 6'1 1/4" 221lbs |4.69 40 | 31" vert| 10'1" broad jump| 16 Bench press reps| 7.12 3 cone - more than athletic enough to have been a 100+ carry a year running back in the PAC 12 - It's a shame he chose Colorado.
 
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Leonardfan said:
Came across a couple more pro day results:

Wisconsin LB Travis Wiltjer - 4.64 40, 22 BP Reps - The Badgers did not use him much in his only season after transferring from a small school where he was dominant. Hopefully get gets a UDFA deal.

Colorado "FB" Beau Bisharat - 6'1 1/4" 221lbs |4.69 40 | 31" vert| 10'1" broad jump| 16 Bench press reps| 7.12 3 cone - more than athletic enough to have been a 100+ carry a year running back in the PAC 12 - It's a shame he chose Colorado.
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Nice maybe Wiltjer can leverage that beast workout into a camp invite or XFL/CFL looks. Wasn't sure if he was going to redshirt last season or not, ended up playing a lot of special teams.

Not bad for Bisharat and yes career suicide choosing CU.

**Also noticed OLB Tyler Johnson OLB worked out. 6'3 240lbs. Was a solid contributor for Badgers. Only a 4.85, but showed good agility with 4.15 agility and 6.93 3 cone! 14 reps is lacking and only jumped 31 for vert. Again a possibile XFL/CFL candidate.

Backup DE David Pfaff worked out as well. Showed solid strength with 26 reps. 6'3 280.

5th year SR OL Erdmann also worked out. Knock on him is he's slow. Good power blocker though.
 
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