2020 NFL Draft
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Oh that's good news then! One more year hopefully he can get some recognition
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Good list of snubs. All 4 of the DL should have been invited. Especially Gaziano who like Red Raider mentioned had stellar production.
Would have been nice for Kinsey to get an invite. Schoen is a very underated speedster. Was always impressed with his big play ability at KState in a run dominant offense.
Fehr didn't get a chance to display his freakish athleticism..
Kash Daniel is a little undersized but a solid LB and Hall has been recognized here as a talent!
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Going to just throw out the name Cole McDonald - he's better than Jordan Love coming out of the same conference - McDonald has a better arm and quicker release. I won't be paying attention to most of the combine but am interested to see what kind of performance he has and if creates any sort of positive "buzz" for his draft stock.
Looking through the thread here and also from other draft websites on the net, it certainly looks like the weakest draft for white players since at least 2015 - particularly for the "skill" positions.
What do you guys think the reasons are for the downturn - is 2020 just a statistical anomaly or is it part of the ongoing filtering out process that white athletes seem to face?
As a non-American, I'm curious to know whether there has been a flow-on effect from Kaepernick and the kneelers from circa 2016-17. Just from following the news and social media from around that time, there seemed to be a pretty visceral reaction from a lot of long-time (and seemingly exclusively white) NFL fans - essentially cutting ties with the NFL and their former favourite teams.
Given we are three or four years down the road from when that was going on, is it possible there was a downturn in young athletes choosing to pursue football at college and then the NFL level?
It seems the NFL seems to have weathered that storm pretty well, while the alternative leagues in the AAF and XFL have essentially offered a watered-down version of the same thing. It would be interesting to know whether those people who swore off the NFL have come back to the fold (and with them their kids) - or if they have been turned off pro football for good?
What do you guys think the reasons are for the downturn - is 2020 just a statistical anomaly or is it part of the ongoing filtering out process that white athletes seem to face?
As a non-American, I'm curious to know whether there has been a flow-on effect from Kaepernick and the kneelers from circa 2016-17. Just from following the news and social media from around that time, there seemed to be a pretty visceral reaction from a lot of long-time (and seemingly exclusively white) NFL fans - essentially cutting ties with the NFL and their former favourite teams.
Given we are three or four years down the road from when that was going on, is it possible there was a downturn in young athletes choosing to pursue football at college and then the NFL level?
It seems the NFL seems to have weathered that storm pretty well, while the alternative leagues in the AAF and XFL have essentially offered a watered-down version of the same thing. It would be interesting to know whether those people who swore off the NFL have come back to the fold (and with them their kids) - or if they have been turned off pro football for good?
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It's more of the same. The caste system is so well entrenched, is ruthlessly efficient and remains unchecked by any outside group outside of this site - whether it be sports journalists, websites, forums, twitter, mainstream sports media conglomerates - no one questions it.
If you go through the recruiting rankings on 24/7, Scout.com, Rivals, ESPN there are plenty of white athletes who just get ignored. I would say that alot of colleges - even ones that traditionally stayed in state to recruit now bring in blacks at an increasing numbers. You can see the proof of this in the college previews we do. Claimjumper has done a great job breaking everything down. I personally feel there are plenty of white athletes still participating in football at the high school level. I think parents wary of concussions and the safety of their children plays more of a role than Kaepernick ever did.
Black racism is more accepted and widespread than ever. Look no further than ESPN's subsite The Undefeated who is doing their best to push the black QB agenda.
Since I have been following the draft there has never been a "good draft" for our guys. We have had some success with WRs over the past few years getting drafted only to never see the field. It's honestly a miracle that our guys at skill positions even get drafted - I take that as a small victory. But the caste system is so flawed yet no one questions it - somehow the best running back in the NFL is white - however out of the 100+ RBs in the league only 3 or 4 other white RBs are allowed? That makes no sense that there could be such a drop off. It just goes to show how white athletes who dominate at "black positions" are treated as outliers - they are begrudgingly acknowledged and often given just backhanded compliments and stereotypes. Once they are out of the league they are erased from memory and never talked about like all of the black "greats".
Not sure if that helps or if it's just a rant. Sorry!
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Good feel for what is going on Bob. Yes this is the worst draft since 2015. But even more ominously there are worrisome storm clouds that were not even present in 2015.
The ongoing lack of white defensive backs is getting to the point where I wonder if the "white safety" will go the way of the white cornerback which means extinction. Consider the SEC has zero white starting defensive backs and few if any back ups. That is even more extreme than years earlier.
I also believe it would be a mistake to relax for one second on the state of white wide receivers. I am not going to mince words. It is entirely possible that we could be entering a long stretch of years where white wide receivers are not drafted. Currently there are no sure fire white wide receivers that you can pencil in for the draft in the next several years. That could change but as we saw with white cornerbacks things can dry up and disappear off the face of the earth in the blink of an eye. Hopefully some players emerge but it is a very precarious situation where my confidence level is at an extremely low level.
This draft might edge out the dismal 2015 edition due to a strong white QB class and a deeper ( but not as deep as 2019) white front seven defensive outlook. Time will tell.
I was looking forward to the NFL Combine last year. This year I approach it with much more trepidation.
The ongoing lack of white defensive backs is getting to the point where I wonder if the "white safety" will go the way of the white cornerback which means extinction. Consider the SEC has zero white starting defensive backs and few if any back ups. That is even more extreme than years earlier.
I also believe it would be a mistake to relax for one second on the state of white wide receivers. I am not going to mince words. It is entirely possible that we could be entering a long stretch of years where white wide receivers are not drafted. Currently there are no sure fire white wide receivers that you can pencil in for the draft in the next several years. That could change but as we saw with white cornerbacks things can dry up and disappear off the face of the earth in the blink of an eye. Hopefully some players emerge but it is a very precarious situation where my confidence level is at an extremely low level.
This draft might edge out the dismal 2015 edition due to a strong white QB class and a deeper ( but not as deep as 2019) white front seven defensive outlook. Time will tell.
I was looking forward to the NFL Combine last year. This year I approach it with much more trepidation.
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Thanks for the replies guys - I have to say it's incredible to try and comprehend the amounted of wasted and/or unrecognised football talent there appears to be in America.
I've been following the NFL for a number of years from New Zealand - while there is actually quite good access to the NFL these days (if you're willing to pay for it), outside of youtube there's not a whole lot of college football readily available.
As Leonardfan alluded to, it seems crazy to me how many states seem to completely overlook their in-state talent to pursue players from Florida or elsewhere in the South.
I can't help but compare the situation to my own country and our national sport of rugby. At 5 million people NZ is about the size of the an average US state, yet for the past decade we have consistently been the best rugby team in the world. Admittedly rugby is not as popular worldwide as sports like soccer or basketball - but there are plenty of countries with lots more money and people who we consistently beat.
While a state of four or five million people is never going to produce the same production line of talent compared to the likes of Texas, California, or Florida, it seems crazy to me why places like Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska etc. cannot fill their college teams with players recruited locally and provide a pipeline of talent to the NFL.
Because of our size, in New Zealand there tends to be no stone left unturned when it comes identifying and nurturing rugby talent, but even still there are plenty of players who never get a fair shot for one reason or another (we have our own issues with a caste system of sorts). I shudder to think what that looks like with football in the US - you probably have to multiply that by a factor of 100 or more.
It must be hugely discouraging to be a young football player growing up in places like that - knowing you will likely be overlooked and ignored for equal or inferior talent from a place with no connection to your home state.
I've been following the NFL for a number of years from New Zealand - while there is actually quite good access to the NFL these days (if you're willing to pay for it), outside of youtube there's not a whole lot of college football readily available.
As Leonardfan alluded to, it seems crazy to me how many states seem to completely overlook their in-state talent to pursue players from Florida or elsewhere in the South.
I can't help but compare the situation to my own country and our national sport of rugby. At 5 million people NZ is about the size of the an average US state, yet for the past decade we have consistently been the best rugby team in the world. Admittedly rugby is not as popular worldwide as sports like soccer or basketball - but there are plenty of countries with lots more money and people who we consistently beat.
While a state of four or five million people is never going to produce the same production line of talent compared to the likes of Texas, California, or Florida, it seems crazy to me why places like Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska etc. cannot fill their college teams with players recruited locally and provide a pipeline of talent to the NFL.
Because of our size, in New Zealand there tends to be no stone left unturned when it comes identifying and nurturing rugby talent, but even still there are plenty of players who never get a fair shot for one reason or another (we have our own issues with a caste system of sorts). I shudder to think what that looks like with football in the US - you probably have to multiply that by a factor of 100 or more.
It must be hugely discouraging to be a young football player growing up in places like that - knowing you will likely be overlooked and ignored for equal or inferior talent from a place with no connection to your home state.
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I'm still amused Jordan Love is being talked about as a Late 1st/Early 2nd rounder. 20TDs and 17INTs in The MWC.. Even if you're horrible at math you can clearly see those are crappy stats. Media believes NFL can coach him up because of his "raw talents." Dat upside.
I have a feeling it's going to be a very Dark 1st Rd. A lot of sumos projected to go early along with overhyped WR Class.
I have a feeling it's going to be a very Dark 1st Rd. A lot of sumos projected to go early along with overhyped WR Class.
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Killjoy,still born, call it what you will. Why this Combine feels like death? There will be 55 wide receivers there and all of them are black except for one white and he is a fringe draft pick at best( Chris Finke). Doesn't get anymore gruesome than that. Hell with that many invites they should have invited at least three or four whites.
Below is a quick look at the schedule.
Monday-measurements for QBs, WRs and TEs.
Wednesday- measurements for DL and LBs.
Thursday starting at 4:00 QB, WR and TE workouts. This is a change not only in a later starting time but typically this group used to work out on Saturdays.
Friday starting at 4:00 OL and RBs workout. Who the hell wants to watch OL in spandex run the 40 yard dash? First of all a useless drill for them. Plus it grosses everyone out.
Saturday starting at 4:00 DL and LBs workout.
Sunday starting at 2:00 the DBs. You know the steroid crew.
I am expecting disaster and keeping my expectations low to ward off complete agitation. And you can bet the media will rub our faces in caste manure.
It is a bad year so nothing to do except hope for the best under the circumstances.
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It really galls that they invited a ton of black wide receivers this year which they are proclaiming the "year of the wide receiver" naturally. 54 black wide receivers invited? That sounds like some sort of a record. And most of them will be duds.
Meanwhile the lone white WR Chris Finke will need to run a 4.4 range 40 yard dash to get noticed according to reports due to his "lack of production" at Notre Dame. I see a 4.47-4.52 range for him. He is a very polished punt returner to boot.
But out of this plethora of black receivers it reeks of a deliberate shunning of capable white wide receivers. And true to form the Combine continues to avoid bringing in white speedsters who might muddle the ongoing narrative the NFL wants to continue. Of course players like Troy Apke and Andy Isabella put a dent in that narrative but it seems to me they carefully avoid inviting "too many" white speedsters. Most years they avoid them altogether.
One player in that speedster category who quickly comes to mind is San Jose State WR Bailey Gaither a former high school baseball player who ran very fast 60 yard dash times while he was in high school.
Gee would it have killed them to add at least a couple of more names from the list below?
JP Shohfi- Yale
Reed Klubnik-Yale
Drew Estrada-Dartmouth
Mason Kinsey-small school
Dalton Schoen-Kansas State.
By all means avoid the Ivy League ass wipes. They don't exist because these draft guru clowns never bother investigating the Ivy because they figure if white skill players are dominating something must be wrong.
Finke ( the only WR I give two tits about) and the quarterbacks and tight ends workout Thursday starting at 4:00 through 11:00.
Meanwhile the lone white WR Chris Finke will need to run a 4.4 range 40 yard dash to get noticed according to reports due to his "lack of production" at Notre Dame. I see a 4.47-4.52 range for him. He is a very polished punt returner to boot.
But out of this plethora of black receivers it reeks of a deliberate shunning of capable white wide receivers. And true to form the Combine continues to avoid bringing in white speedsters who might muddle the ongoing narrative the NFL wants to continue. Of course players like Troy Apke and Andy Isabella put a dent in that narrative but it seems to me they carefully avoid inviting "too many" white speedsters. Most years they avoid them altogether.
One player in that speedster category who quickly comes to mind is San Jose State WR Bailey Gaither a former high school baseball player who ran very fast 60 yard dash times while he was in high school.
Gee would it have killed them to add at least a couple of more names from the list below?
JP Shohfi- Yale
Reed Klubnik-Yale
Drew Estrada-Dartmouth
Mason Kinsey-small school
Dalton Schoen-Kansas State.
By all means avoid the Ivy League ass wipes. They don't exist because these draft guru clowns never bother investigating the Ivy because they figure if white skill players are dominating something must be wrong.
Finke ( the only WR I give two tits about) and the quarterbacks and tight ends workout Thursday starting at 4:00 through 11:00.
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We all called this awhile ago:
Clemson S Tanner Muse was requested by at least one team to workout as a linebacker at the NFL Combine.
Muse was one of three defensive backs asked to move to linebacker, alongside Kyle Dugger and Brian Cole. In Clemson's defense, Muse wasn't really operating like a coverage-first safety anyway: much of his job was to come up to the box as a clean-up tackler. It makes sense for someone like him, especially at a fairly bulky 6-foot-2 and 225-pounds, to make a full-time move to the box. We'll see if Muse ends up accepting the request to workout as a linebacker.
Not paying too much attention to the combine this year. Just hoping all of the white participants show well and improve their stock. One bit of news that is irking is that Arizona is supposedly looking for wide receivers with Kyler Murray campaigning for Jerry Jeudy from Alabama. It does not look well for Isabella who got next to no chances in Arizona last year - it was a pick I hated then and still hate it now.
Clemson S Tanner Muse was requested by at least one team to workout as a linebacker at the NFL Combine.
Muse was one of three defensive backs asked to move to linebacker, alongside Kyle Dugger and Brian Cole. In Clemson's defense, Muse wasn't really operating like a coverage-first safety anyway: much of his job was to come up to the box as a clean-up tackler. It makes sense for someone like him, especially at a fairly bulky 6-foot-2 and 225-pounds, to make a full-time move to the box. We'll see if Muse ends up accepting the request to workout as a linebacker.
Not paying too much attention to the combine this year. Just hoping all of the white participants show well and improve their stock. One bit of news that is irking is that Arizona is supposedly looking for wide receivers with Kyler Murray campaigning for Jerry Jeudy from Alabama. It does not look well for Isabella who got next to no chances in Arizona last year - it was a pick I hated then and still hate it now.
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Arguing with some DWF's on the Dolphins message board right now. In terms of DWF's, oh boy did I find a doozy with this one. We're talking about which QB should the Dolphins draft and check out what this guy has to say about Jordan Love. This may be the most cucked thing I've ever read on any sports message board. I've never seen such unquestioned loyalty to such a mediocre player (almost as many picks as TD's) as these Jordan Love supporters have for their "hero" in all of my years of watching football. 
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That's beyond bizarre and pathetic. To top it off my guess is that DWF never watched a Utah St game this past season - he just absorbs the media hype because he is a casual DWF.
Don't even need to have watched the games. Some of his bad play is on YouTube. Looks like a raw late round prospect that would need to sit to learn if he were to accomplish anything, but there's a ton of a qbs that are more polished with better skills so not understanding the hype. Not a top qb prospect.
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I feel Cole McDonald is a better prospect - better arm, more consistent and probably will have similar athletic measurables.
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I hope that this is a troll by “ghost_fish” but I have the nauseating feeling that this guy is not joking around. Assuming this guy is white, then you can see the end result of 50 years of elevating black over Whites in sports via the Caste System and 60+ years of hardcore cultural Marxism being pushed on America. The ruling elites want every White man to be a literal cuckhold that idolizes sportsballer blacks “satisfying their wife” like “ghost_fish”.
On the bright side, I see a lot of White men breaking their conditioning. Encountering the occasional “ghost_fish” type is a good reminder that their is a lot of work to still be done.
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The black BJ fest ( known to the public as the NFL Combine) has started and as expected it is mostly a grim exercise in non life affirming moments.
Ring master Rich Eisen is back and that alone gives you a glimpse of what the gates of hell looks like. What a stinking twerp.
The entire crew like little school girls were waiting for Alabama WR Ruggs to run a record setting 40 yard dash. He fell short ( thank God) with a 4.27 ( dropped from a 4.28 somehow) yet that didn't stop the entire crew from actually crying. Prick ass wipe Charley Casserly claimed he had a 4.2 flat on his caste sucking watch. By the way the trend continues. Some choice black runners get faster official times than originally posted and in general white runners receive slower times upon review.
One example. Texas WR Devin Duvernay was a track star so was expected to run fast. But he never cleared under 4.4 on either attempt and in fact his second run was something like a 4.44 or 4.46. Yet somehow his official run ended up at 4.39?
For years we here at CF have been trying to figure out these "strange" methods of determining the 40 yard dash times. The only thing I know for certain is that if it was timed like a sanctioned track and field meet then everything would be timed electronically and there would be absolutely no need whatsoever to have dick weeds like Casserly and his ilk hand timing anything.
Not saying all the white runners ultimately receive "slower" times due to some hanky-panky but hell both QBs mentioned below ( Patterson and McDonald) had their final times increased. I didn't see them pull that on the black runners as far as I can tell?
Trying to sift through this is like trying to navigate a sewer but a few white players were able to emerge. QB Justin Herbert ran a 4.68 40 and showed well here as did big armed Jacob Eason. Is Herbert actually the best QB in this draft? Burrows didn't work out at all. Shea Patterson who the media has dismissed ran a 4.71 despite a 4.67 on his second run. What happened to his 4.67?
Cole McDonald, someone Leonardfan has promoted who I have seen play but have no conclusive impression, ran the fastest QB time at 4.58 which was jumped up from the 4.54 that flashed during his run? He beat out media hero Jalen Hurts. Another thank God moment in a sea of misery.
Missed the entire TE proceedings so won't comment on them apart from the fact it looks like Cole Kmet from ND was solid. No white TE ran under 4.7 seconds though.
Kmet teammate WR Chris Finke, the lone honky WR invited ran a 4.57 40 which pretty much sealed his fate of not getting drafted. He did leap 40 inches but who the hell knows we may never see another white WR ever drafted again until the day we die. And I am not trying to be funny.
Tommorow is useless. I am not watching fat ass OL run the 40 yard dash and even the general media admits it is a useless event but it gives them the best chance to see their 10 yard splits which is more applicable. Maybe a white punter ( I see one did a good job on the bench press ) who decides to run the 40 could put up a good time but recently I noticed the punters haven't been running the 40 at the Black BJ Fest which will also feature naturally an all black running back core.
I will be able to watch the entire Saturday Combine which will feature the DL and LBs. Hopefully some white players run well ? Not anywhere near as excited as last year though.
Ring master Rich Eisen is back and that alone gives you a glimpse of what the gates of hell looks like. What a stinking twerp.
The entire crew like little school girls were waiting for Alabama WR Ruggs to run a record setting 40 yard dash. He fell short ( thank God) with a 4.27 ( dropped from a 4.28 somehow) yet that didn't stop the entire crew from actually crying. Prick ass wipe Charley Casserly claimed he had a 4.2 flat on his caste sucking watch. By the way the trend continues. Some choice black runners get faster official times than originally posted and in general white runners receive slower times upon review.
One example. Texas WR Devin Duvernay was a track star so was expected to run fast. But he never cleared under 4.4 on either attempt and in fact his second run was something like a 4.44 or 4.46. Yet somehow his official run ended up at 4.39?
For years we here at CF have been trying to figure out these "strange" methods of determining the 40 yard dash times. The only thing I know for certain is that if it was timed like a sanctioned track and field meet then everything would be timed electronically and there would be absolutely no need whatsoever to have dick weeds like Casserly and his ilk hand timing anything.
Not saying all the white runners ultimately receive "slower" times due to some hanky-panky but hell both QBs mentioned below ( Patterson and McDonald) had their final times increased. I didn't see them pull that on the black runners as far as I can tell?
Trying to sift through this is like trying to navigate a sewer but a few white players were able to emerge. QB Justin Herbert ran a 4.68 40 and showed well here as did big armed Jacob Eason. Is Herbert actually the best QB in this draft? Burrows didn't work out at all. Shea Patterson who the media has dismissed ran a 4.71 despite a 4.67 on his second run. What happened to his 4.67?
Cole McDonald, someone Leonardfan has promoted who I have seen play but have no conclusive impression, ran the fastest QB time at 4.58 which was jumped up from the 4.54 that flashed during his run? He beat out media hero Jalen Hurts. Another thank God moment in a sea of misery.
Missed the entire TE proceedings so won't comment on them apart from the fact it looks like Cole Kmet from ND was solid. No white TE ran under 4.7 seconds though.
Kmet teammate WR Chris Finke, the lone honky WR invited ran a 4.57 40 which pretty much sealed his fate of not getting drafted. He did leap 40 inches but who the hell knows we may never see another white WR ever drafted again until the day we die. And I am not trying to be funny.
Tommorow is useless. I am not watching fat ass OL run the 40 yard dash and even the general media admits it is a useless event but it gives them the best chance to see their 10 yard splits which is more applicable. Maybe a white punter ( I see one did a good job on the bench press ) who decides to run the 40 could put up a good time but recently I noticed the punters haven't been running the 40 at the Black BJ Fest which will also feature naturally an all black running back core.
I will be able to watch the entire Saturday Combine which will feature the DL and LBs. Hopefully some white players run well ? Not anywhere near as excited as last year though.
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Thanks for the breakdown @Shadowlight . To me Finke ran what I expected, but jumped better than I thought. Solid showing for him assuming his agility timing was pretty good. His 4.57 stacks up well to The Wisconsin WR invited in Cephus who clocked a painfully slow 4.73..
Also @Leonardfan was spot on about McDonald. Didn't realize he had jets like that.
Also @Leonardfan was spot on about McDonald. Didn't realize he had jets like that.
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BSPN trying to make the non-issue of Joe Burrow's hand size into an issue. Anything to snarkily attack a White QB.
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I'm inclined to think it's a troll. While there have been several Jewish-funded articles in "mainstream" media encouraging couples to try sick and creepy things like cuckoldry and pegging, the authors of said articles never admit to trying those things themselves. Glorifying cuckoldry is one thing, but admitting oneself to be a cuck is still social suicide, even with an online persona.
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Following the caste script the hype on mediocre Jordan Love is intensifying as the NFL continues its assault on the QB position. Herbert had a next to perfect showing at the combine and a strong career at Oregon - he should easily have separated himself but the media quota hype train will not stop for the turnover prone Love.
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Yup all the media thinks Love has worked himself into 1st half of 1st with his combine performance lol. Sickening also the Top5 OT are all black. Seeing a huge Sumo push, XFL is pushing it as well. Seems like 90% of their OLs are Black.
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it's amazing how many people still believe in even the most laughable black superiority myths, I guess if someone turns on the TV to 2 of the big 3 sports, NFL or NBA and sees only blacks I can understand why someone unenlightened on the subject and caste system may see blacks as superior athletes and its probably the main cause of such views (and somewhat conditioning at an early age), but I would think nearly all non black people who are not completely naive would deep inside see the dubious black sexual superhuman myth as something relegated to degenerate fetish pornography and rap lyrics, but even some of the more racially aware whites believe in these myths while claiming to rail against the current state of society/racial views and dynamics. But yes I see more whites are breaking the conditioning within the past few years.
This particular comment strikes me as a troll but I still do see people unironically insinuating these things as true and a lot of work needs to be done indeed.
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