2020 NFL Draft

[Bucky]

Apparently Braverman will be playing in the XFL for the St. Louis franchise. He also looks extremely jewy now. Lol.

Lol he really does. Definitely looks more goy when he was clean cut. I'll be keeping an eye out for him in XFL.

 

[Shadowlight]

Ah the SPIRAL Tropical Bowl otherwise known as "The Baby Turd Bowl" or "Guys Who Have No Chance In Hell Of Getting Drafted Bowl" has been completed.

MVP was Penn State WR Dan Chisena making huge plays. At the caste compound known as Penn State Dan caught 3 passes for I think 66 yards this entire past season. At this bowl game he caught 5 passes for 155 yards and a TD where his blazing speed was on full display.

"Safely" put on the Penn State squad as a long shot senior Dan spent his formative years running track ( and wasting his time) there. If he had been properly recruited when he was a senior out of high school like other ( black) Penn State wide receivers and developed and nourished through their system from day one Dan might have turned himself into a big time talent. All the physical skills were there.

Now left in no man's land Dan has limited options ahead of him as the NFL will most assuredly ignore him despite having the type of raw speed and size that are typical attributes that have NFL scouts drooling over if said player was black.

Sure back in the day when the NFL had more draft picks an athletic talent like Chisena would have been scooped up with a decent chance that a team could mold him into a player and perhaps even a star. Sadly that avenue has been closed off for white players like Dan. That said he fits the perfect profile of a flier. Meaning a late round pick that you throw on your special teams units and hope he sticks at WR.

See below his Bowl game write up.

https://www.collegian.psu.edu/football/article_c3188788-361a-11ea-bb9e-272425db1547.html

And his long down the sideline TD.

https://twitter.com/FloFootball/status/1216414007109865472

 

[Leonardfan]

So here is the narrative for the 2020 draft as it is shaping up - WR and OT are the deepest positions in the draft (both are very black so no surprise there as we see this same story play out every year - top heavy with black "upside" and they also decided to assault a position that is somewhat white friendly). The supposed best player at the Senior Bowl is a d-lineman from South Carolina who had 35 total tackles/15 solo and 6 sacks this year. Every single "expert" is hyping this guy up - my guess is he will be a candidate for the Recent Busts thread in a few years.

 

[Rocky B]

Cade Carney plans to go into his father's Construction Business after Football...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gr...7090ba02-a161-529b-8ee2-1ff78ef023fe.amp.html

I posted this on the high school thread, but I’ll throw it on here too.....
Cade’s brother is an up and coming running back....Go Tate Carney!
He’s still a sophomore.....Getting a bit of recognition.....
Let’s keep an eye on this kid......

https://images.app.goo.gl/5PPjtpAAyNQzy3fd7

 

[Red Raider]

I’m a little bummed that Carney won’t pursue the NFL. I definitely understand and respect his decision though, he only had 1 season where he didn’t get injured and played all year.

 

[Shadowlight]

The more I dwell on this draft the sicker I get. That said it will be interesting to see which team decides to throw off their caste cloak and pick a no brainer white defensive player. DE Kenny Willekes, who will play in the Senior Bowl this Saturday, is a slam dunk plug him in the starting line up type of player.

I don't know what it will take but these teams who insist on staying away from white defenders are not doing themselves any favors. Is someone going to wax poetic about the pathetic playoff performances by the all black defenses of the Ravens and the Titans? The media was trying to tell us the Titans D was underrated. How about slow, can't tackle and generally clueless as KC marched through them unencumbered. And that general gutlessness that so many college football defenses have displayed in recent year years.

 

[Red Raider]

I see Willekes and I see another former Michigan college DE, which would be Maxx Crosby. Very similar size and are equally as good at run stopping as they are with pass rushing. Both rated lower than they should be before the draft and both are relentless players who are fan favorites. Maxx and Kenny are friends also, I’ve seen them joke around and tweet at each other a few times on twitter.

Kenny’s teammate Joe Bachie would be a 2nd-3rd round draft pick in a fair world but who knows where he is projected. He had a great career which ended abruptly with a season ending suspension for a failed PED test. He was in the midst of his best season yet.
Similarly another white senior 3+ year starting MLB had his season ending but with injury, Cale Garrett from Mizzou. Garrett was on track for his best season yet after 5 games when a torn pectoral muscle ended his season. Both of these studs have taken severe hits to their draft stock with these unfortunate issues, we can only hope that both of them get drafted which almost seemed like a sure thing before these incidents. I’d be shocked if either lasted longer than a day after the draft if they aren’t picked, not EVERYONE can be blind to their talents after starting and performing well for 3 and 4 years respectively.

 

[Leonardfan]

I won't really get too much into the Senior Bowl as there really is not much to get into.

Oregon QB Justin Herbert came in and did what he needed to do - most sources have been very positive on his performance. The criticism this guy faces is absurd when compared to hyped up black quarterback Jordan Love. It sounds like he cemented himself as the number 3 QB but their are plenty of stupid teams out there. The media is trying to push the Mahomes comparison for Jordan Love hard. It sounds like Jalen Hurts has been exposed - he's probably a mid round flier who will get unjustified media hype.

The TEs - Bryant and Trautman both seemed to assert themselves and make a statement about their ability and improved their draft stock.

All of the 5 of the defensive players in attendance seemed to perform well enough to be draftable. My guess is Logan Wilson will be a surprise earlier round pick in April. Willekes also performed well even though they throw all the racial cliches at him. "Hot Motor" is the newest caste speak I have come across when speaking about white athletes.

This was one of the more pathetic senior bowls in recent memory. I'll try to get my draft rankings set soon - once the combine invites go out we will see how much more the NFL has thinned the herd.

 

[ximasa]

Watching Senior Bowl live and the pundit Charlie Davis keeps praising Weaver (CAL) and Willekes having first sack of the bowl game.

 

[ximasa]

Jordan Love: 2 drives, 2 punts (1st quarter)

 

[Bucky]

Jordan Love: 2 drives, 2 punts (1st quarter)

Hurts struggling as well. 2-7 and an INT.

Patterson looking okay. Not as high on him as some here.

Herbert is continuing his dominant season today. 9-12 80yds and 3rushes for 22. Separating himself as Clear Number 2 QB in The Draft.

 

[Leonardfan]

Nice to see Herbert, Gordon and Patterson playing well in the game. The recycled line year after year is that the game is not important as the practices. Great to see Hurts struggle in more of a pro style offense and Love only get 4 pass attempts. Montez seems to have had a Senior Bowl that will render him a UDFA.

I like Patterson - I expected more of him at Michigan - he was a very dynamic player at Ole Miss - looked just like Manziel without the baggage so I have to wonder if the Michigan system held him back to some degree (along with their woefully overrated receiver corps). I hope both Patterson and Gordon get drafted. It is interesting that Iowa QB Nate Stanley did not receive any sort of all star game invite - No Shrine Game, No Collegiate bowl or Senior Bowl. I would like to see him garner a combine invitation. Hebert had a stellar senior bowl but I just keep hearing the same excuses on how he disappears in big games...he won the Rose bowl a few weeks back with a very mediocre collection of TEs and WRs surrounding him. I like him more than I liked Daniel Jones last season and I thought Jones was a good prospect. I wonder if Herbert will get the same type of ridicule if he is drafted top 15.

 

[Extra Point]

QB Anthony Gordon of Washington State is being projected as a draftable prospect. Some speculate he will go in the 5 to 6 round range.

Because of the success of his fellow alum Gardner Minshew he might go higher. Here's a scouting report of him from Draft Network.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/anthony-gordon/CiSAc6JO6a

 

[Extra Point]

I used to try to scout players by watching video posted on the site Draft Breakdown. Unfortunately that site shut down because they didn't make enough money to continue operations.

Does anyone know of any other resources for video of draft eligible college players? YouTube sometimes has some video but these videos tend to be highlight videos instead of entire games. Highlight videos have value in scouting but only show the positives. You need the other side too.

 

[FootballDad]

Now that the Super Bowl is done, it's full-on silly season for the draft prognosticators. Here is an S.I. mock draft that has Tua going to Miami who trades up to get him at 3, and the best one has Jordan Love going to the Patriots to become the new franchise QB in Foxborough!! LOL! Of course the first OT off the board is supposed to be Jedrick Wills going to the Giants out of Alabama. Now we like to make fun of Patrick Mahomes goofy hairdo, but this guy really does have a full-on Sideshow Bob 'do:

 

[Leonardfan]

Now that the Super Bowl is done, it's full-on silly season for the draft prognosticators. Here is an S.I. mock draft that has Tua going to Miami who trades up to get him at 3, and the best one has Jordan Love going to the Patriots to become the new franchise QB in Foxborough!! LOL! Of course the first OT off the board is supposed to be Jedrick Wills going to the Giants out of Alabama. Now we like to make fun of Patrick Mahomes goofy hairdo, but this guy really does have a full-on Sideshow Bob 'do:
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The track record for Alabama o-linemen in the NFL has not been great. Have to wonder if he is going to be another Andre Smith.

Combine invites are trickling in - the next predictor in seeing how many whites are funneled out of the NFL.

 

[La France Blanche]

My pessimistic prediction for this draft is 18% white, the second worst behind the 15% nightmare of 2015. There are a few white stars who should go early but overall it's looking pretty bad so far.

 

[Shadowlight]

Yes folks this draft might end up as grim as a "Saw" movie. At least last year there was hope. It seems there won't be one white WR invited to the combine and it is highly unlikely a white DB gets invited unless they throw in the deserving Tanner Muse who by the way is already getting hammered by the draft guru queers.. And overall less defensive players than last year. Last year I was looking forward to the combine. This year I fear very few white skill players will be invited and we will be faced with a bleak black overload.

I'll hold out some hope that the combine invites will surprise but I am not very confident in things at this moment. Yes there will be a few nice things about this draft but the "2015 nightmare" mentioned above looms heavy.

 

[Leonardfan]

Combine list is out - tons of racial exclusions. Tons of mediocre no-name unproductive members with melanin. 337 total players minus 12 specialists - 325 position players - 53 are white - 16% of the combine invites are white this year. I'll go through my list and add my snubs. It amazes me to no end the number of non-descript black players invited.

QB
Joe Burrow, QB, LSU
Kevin Davidson, QB, Princeton
Jacob Eason, QB, Washington
Jake Fromm, QB, Georgia
Anthony Gordon, QB, Washington State
Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon
Brian Lewerke, QB, Michigan State
Jake Luton, QB, Oregon State
Cole McDonald, QB, Hawaii
James Morgan, QB, Florida International
Shea Patterson, QB, Michigan
Nate Stanley, QB, Iowa

RB - 0

WR -
Chris Finke, WR, Notre Dame

TE
Jacob Breeland, TE, Oregon
Harrison Bryant, TE, Florida Atlantic
Josiah Deguara, TE, Cincinnati
Dalton Keene, TE, Virginia Tech
Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame
Sean McKeon, TE, Michigan
Colby Parkinson, TE, Stanford
Adam Trautman, TE, Dayton
Mitchell Wilcox, TE, South Florida
Charlie Woerner, TE, Georgia


OL
Trey Adams, OL, Washington
Ben Bartch, OL, St. John’s (MN)
Tyler Biadasz, OL, Wisconsin
Ben Bredeson, OL, Michigan
Ezra Cleveland, OL, Boise State
Jack Driscoll, OL, Auburn
Jake Hanson, OL, Oregon
Charlie Heck, OL, UNC
Matt Hennessy, OL, Temple
Shane Lemieux, OL, Oregon
Colton McKivitz, OL, West Virginia
John Molchon, OL, Boise State
Danny Pinter, OL, Ball State
Jon Runyan, OL, Michigan
Logan Stenberg, OL, Kentucky
Simon Stepaniak, OL, Indiana
Calvin Throckmorton, OL, Oregon

DL
James Lynch, DL, Baylor
Derrek Tuszka, DL, North Dakota State
Kenny Willekes, DL, Michigan State
Rob Windsor, DL, Penn State

LB
Joe Bachie, LB, Michigan State
Carter Coughlin, LB, Minnesota
Cale Garrett, LB, Missouri
Clay Johnston LB, Baylor
Dante Olson, LB, Montana
Casey Toohill, LB, Stanford
Evan Weaver, LB, California
Logan Wilson, LB, Wyoming
David Woodward, LB, Utah State

DB
Tanner Muse, DB, Clemson

 

[DWF Upside]

With the very few D-Line guys allowed to play in the NFL dominating, you would think that college could produce more than 4 for the combine. Same goes for WR, they have done an excellent job of screwing up their development.

 

[Shadowlight]

Combine list is out - tons of racial exclusions. Tons of mediocre no-name unproductive members with melanin. 337 total players minus 12 specialists - 325 position players - 53 are white - 16% of the combine invites are white this year. I'll go through my list and add my snubs. It amazes me to no end the number of non-descript black players invited.

QB
Joe Burrow, QB, LSU
Kevin Davidson, QB, Princeton
Jacob Eason, QB, Washington
Jake Fromm, QB, Georgia
Anthony Gordon, QB, Washington State
Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon
Brian Lewerke, QB, Michigan State
Jake Luton, QB, Oregon State
Cole McDonald, QB, Hawaii
James Morgan, QB, Florida International
Shea Patterson, QB, Michigan
Nate Stanley, QB, Iowa

RB - 0

WR -
Chris Finke, WR, Notre Dame

TE
Jacob Breeland, TE, Oregon
Harrison Bryant, TE, Florida Atlantic
Josiah Deguara, TE, Cincinnati
Dalton Keene, TE, Virginia Tech
Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame
Sean McKeon, TE, Michigan
Colby Parkinson, TE, Stanford
Adam Trautman, TE, Dayton
Mitchell Wilcox, TE, South Florida
Charlie Woerner, TE, Georgia


OL
Trey Adams, OL, Washington
Ben Bartch, OL, St. John’s (MN)
Tyler Biadasz, OL, Wisconsin
Ben Bredeson, OL, Michigan
Ezra Cleveland, OL, Boise State
Jack Driscoll, OL, Auburn
Jake Hanson, OL, Oregon
Charlie Heck, OL, UNC
Matt Hennessy, OL, Temple
Shane Lemieux, OL, Oregon
Colton McKivitz, OL, West Virginia
John Molchon, OL, Boise State
Danny Pinter, OL, Ball State
Jon Runyan, OL, Michigan
Logan Stenberg, OL, Kentucky
Simon Stepaniak, OL, Indiana
Calvin Throckmorton, OL, Oregon

DL
James Lynch, DL, Baylor
Derrek Tuszka, DL, North Dakota State
Kenny Willekes, DL, Michigan State
Rob Windsor, DL, Penn State

LB
Joe Bachie, LB, Michigan State
Carter Coughlin, LB, Minnesota
Cale Garrett, LB, Missouri
Dante Olson, LB, Montana
Casey Toohill, LB, Stanford
Evan Weaver, LB, California
Logan Wilson, LB, Wyoming
David Woodward, LB, Utah State

DB
Tanner Muse, DB, Clemson

Man on the spot. Nice job Leonardfan. Maybe I am mistaken but I figured the combine invite names would be dribbling in over the next few weeks. Did they secure the names earlier than usual this year?

Have to admit, perhaps from my basement like level of deprivation, I am pleasantly surprised with the list albeit the scant DL list is noticeable. And we are still living on crumbs but still relatively speaking it keeps my pulse going.

I guessed zero white wide receivers would be invited but they reeled in Finke who we all thought was our best "longshot" chance of getting drafted. But being invited to the combine is a major step forward.

And of course the addition of S Tanner Muse just made my day. Looking forward to both of their 40 yard dash times.

There are a lot of white tight ends here and not a bad number of white linebackers. And there are some good white quarterbacks in this class.

Again maybe I am looking at things with rose colored glasses at the moment and this will sound silly but I wonder if this site had something to do with the inclusion of players like Muse and Finke and the solid numbers of linebackers too? Maybe they didn't want to incur the wrath of posters here and they threw us a few bones who knows? Ha.

I expected worse so at least for now I am not as pessimistic as I was yesterday.

 

[dwid]

Man on the spot. Nice job Leonardfan. Maybe I am mistaken but I figured the combine invite names would be dribbling in over the next few weeks. Did they secure the names earlier than usual this year?

Have to admit, perhaps from my basement like level of deprivation, I am pleasantly surprised with the list albeit the scant DL list is noticeable. And we are still living on crumbs but still relatively speaking it keeps my pulse going.

I guessed zero white wide receivers would be invited but they reeled in Finke who we all thought was our best "longshot" chance of getting drafted. But being invited to the combine is a major step forward.

And of course the addition of S Tanner Muse just made my day. Looking forward to both of their 40 yard dash times.

There are a lot of white tight ends here and not a bad number of white linebackers. And there are some good white quarterbacks in this class.

Again maybe I am looking at things with rose colored glasses at the moment and this will sound silly but I wonder if this site had something to do with the inclusion of players like Muse and Finke and the solid numbers of linebackers too? Maybe they didn't want to incur the wrath of posters here and they threw us a few bones who knows? Ha.

I expected worse so at least for now I am not as pessimistic as I was yesterday.

Lol I doubt it, but I do think this site has been influential in bringing awareness to the discrimination of White athletes. Browsing message boards and YouTube, there seems to be a few people who know the score. That definitely wasn't the case 10 years ago. I remember hearing all the clichés "best players play" etc. It still happens but to a lesser extent now. More fans seem to be open to the idea of Whites at "black" positions and are less dismissive compared to 10 years ago.

 

[Leonardfan]

Shadowlight,

The list was posted over on profootballtalk. I think it's pathetic to be honest especially when you compare the number of white players at any given position against the total number of players at it. Even TE is majority non-white and the OL is sumo laden. Unlike the 2015 draft which ended up being bereft of QBs (including Winston and Mariota) this draft actually has some promise in that regard. My main point of emphasis within the caste system is the QB position and like most drafts I think their are quality prospects. Replacing the aging great QBs of this era has been something I have been a vocal proponent of - Rivers, Brees, Brady (Is Stidham the answer?), Big Ben (I feel that Myles Garrett effectively ended Mason Rudolph's chances with his slanderous accusation) all having QBs drafted and developed behind them is of the utmost importance. This QB class does offer a lot of potential in that regard.

Here are my top snubs and even adding these guys wouldn't have drastically changed the racial composition much:

DB Jordan Glasgow Michigan
DB Austin Lee BYU
DE Joe Gaziano Northwestern
DT Garrett Marino UAB
WR Mason Kinsey Berry
WR Dan Chisena Penn St
WR Dalton Schoen Kansas St
DT Eli Hanback UVA
DT Mike Panasiuk Michigan St
LB Jordan Fehr App St
LB Kash Daniel Kentucky
LB Austin Hall Memphis
LB Jan Johnson Penn St

 

[Shadowlight]

Honestly I expected worse so my very low expectations I guess worked in my favor. Of course overall it is sparse and apparently all that Bowl buzz about WR Mason Kinsey went nowhere which is par for the course when it comes to so many white wide receivers. The inclusion of athletic players like QB Brian Lewerke who had an ok but not great season and seldom used Georgia TE Charlie Woerner was nice to see though.

They invited two black WRs from Rhode Island who played for a 2-10 team but ignored JP Shohfi (62-1012-10) of Yale who won the Ivy League title. His Yale teammate Reed Klubnik put up a nifty 54-999-7 stat line. This duo was the talk of the town all season and where did it get them? Nowhere. So they picked two small school black wide receivers and ignored two terrific white wide receivers from a winning Ivy League team?

The WR Chisena issue is common. He simply didn't have a body of work that would get the attention of the combine. His stats were non existent this year. Like a lot of white talented raw athletes out of high school he was ignored by the big boys. Instead he retreated into track and field and made the Penn State football team only as a senior. Unlike similar black players who get nurtured and developed for three to four years at a big school, Chisena was never given the chance to develop. In fact Penn State HC Franklin does not recruit or develop white skill players. Remember S Troy Apke signed with Penn State before Franklin arrived.

It is ridiculous that only one Ivy League player was invited to the combine, a white Princeton QB. Again the draft gurus are too lazy and dismissive of the Ivy League and pay little attention to it despite talent levels from skill players that are roughly on par with MAC players.

I mentioned this earlier but the drills won't be in the mornings anymore. Still sketchy on the times which run from 2:00 to 11:00 I think.

 

[Red Raider]

Joe Gaziano has to be the biggest snub... how does a 4 year starter who’s 6’4” 275lbs and racked up 50 TFL and 30 sacks at a power 5 program not get a combine invite? The DL from South Carolina that is getting all the hype had 17 career TFL and 10 of them were sacks. Joe is going to be a steal whenever a team snatched him up!

Austin Hall 100% should have been invited also, he is a clone of Nate Gerry and fits the bill of the new age speedy NFL linebacker. I’d love to see a player like Hall used like the Chiefs use Daniel Sorensen, usually in the box but all over the field.