2020 NFL Draft

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I just went through four different 7 round mock drafts - two topped out at 41 whites drafted and the other 43/44 - there was a little confusion on two of them and the last was at 38. Based on the dearth of white players invited senior bowl and combine this was something we all saw on the horizon. The Shrine game did feature some more white athletes so perhaps we will see a boost of participants in that game who get drafted. I see alot of the same names between the 4 different mock drafts so the research is really limited on the part of the authors of those drafts. I am going to go through and do my projections on our guys sometime this week. It's looking like 2015 all over again though now.
 

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Here's an article about the 50 most athletic players in the draft. They base it on the RAS scores. There are a number of whites on the list. LB/S Tanner Muse 9.97, OT Ezra Cleveland 9.93, QB Justin Herbert 9.69 (higher than much vaunted Jalen Hurts), OL Danny Pinter 9.64, and Casey Toohill 9.41. This goes against the MSM narrative that all white men are unathletic.

50 most athletic NFL draft prospects coming out of the combine (usatoday.com)
 
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Anyone see Minnesota LB Carter Coughlin getting drafted?

I think he should, fringe candidate to get drafted. Plenty athletic with a Big Ten resume. Was pleasantly surprised when Cashman was drafted last year!
 

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Here is my list of draft picks and projections. I try to account for every player with the best chance of getting drafted. I just want to put out my disclaimer that the projections I have on them is where they are most likely to be drafted within the constraints of the caste system. It is not where I believe they should be drafted. The draft starts in a little over a week and with the lack of pro day buzz - many of our guys were not able to workout in front of scouts. I tried to list UDFAs at some positions for us to keep an eye on players signing as UDFAs.

Quarterback
Joe Burrow LSU 1st
Justin Herbert Oregon 1st
Jake Fromm UGA 3rd-4th
Jacob Eason Washington 3rd-4th
James Morgan FIU 3rd-5th
Anthony Gordon Wash St 4th-6th
Cole McDonald Hawaii 5th-7th
Josh Love 6th-7th
Jake Luton 6th-7th
Shea Patterson 6th-7th
Nathan Stanley Iowa 6th-7th
Tommy Stevens Miss St UDFA
Kevin Davidson Princeton UDFA
Nathan Rourke Ohio UDFA
Tom Flacco Towson UDFA
Brian Lewerke UDFA

Running back/Fullback
Parker Houston San Diego St UDFA
Bronson Rechsteiner Kennesa St udfa

Tight End
Cole Kmet Notre Dame 2nd-3rd
Adam Trautman Dayton 3rd-4th
Harrison Bryant FAU 3rd-5th
Colby Parkinson Stanford 4th-6th
Dalton Keen Va Tech 5th-7th
Josia Deguara Cincinatti 6th-7th
Jacob Breeland 6th-7th
Sean McKeon Michigan 6th-7th
Giovanni Ricci Western Michigan 7th
Eli Wolf UGA UDFA


Wide Reciever
Chris Finke Notre Dame 6th-7th
Mason Kinsey Berry 7th
Dan Chisena PSU 7th
J.J. Koski Cal Poly UDFA
Riley Stapleton JMU UDFA
Talon Shumway BYU UDFA
Will Hasting Auburn UDFA
Sal Canella Auburn UDFA

Offensive Tackle
Ezra Cleveland Boise St 1st-2nd
Ben Bartch St. Johns 2nd-4th
Jack Driscoll Auburn 3rd-5th
Calvin Throckmorton Oregon 4th-6th
Trey Adams Washington 5th-7th
Jared Hilbers Washington 6th-7th
Jon Runyan Michigan 6th-7th
Colton McKivitz WVU 6th-7th
Charlie Heck UNC 6th-7th
Brady Aiello Oregon 7th
Blake Brandel Oregon St 7th
Alex Givens Ole Miss 7th

Offensive Guard
Logan Stenberg 4th-5th
Danny Pinter Ball St 4th-6th
Ben Bredeson 4th-6th
Shane Lemieux 4th-6th
John Molchon Boise St 6th-7th


Center
Tyler Biadasz Wisconsin 3rd-4th
Matt Hennessy Temple 3rd-4th

Defensive End
Kenny Willekes Michigan St 4th-5th
Carter Coughlin Minnesota 4th-6th
Derrek Tuszka North Dakota St 5th-7th
Joe Gaziano Northwestern 6th-7th
Bryce Sterk Montana St 6th-th

Defensive Tackle
James Lynch Baylor 2nd-4th
Robert Windsor PSU 5th-7th
Garrett Marino UAB 5th-7th

Linebackers
Logan Wilson Wyoming 2nd-3rd
Joe Bachie Mich St 4th-6th
Casey Toohill Stanford 4th-6th
Clay Johnston Baylor 5th-7th
David Woodward Utah St 5th-7th
Evan Weaver Cal 5th-7th
Austin Hall Memphis 6th-7th
Christian Rozeboom 6th-7th
Dante Olson Montana 7th
Jordan Fehr App St 6th-7th

Jan Johnson PSU UDFA
Cale Garret Missouri UDFA

Safety
Tanner Muse Clemson 4th-6th
Austin Lee BYU 6th-7th
Brayden Konkol Montana St UDFA
Josh Sandry Montana UDFA
Jordan Glasgow Michigan UDFA
 
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What's the best, most up to date mock draft?

I don't consider any of them to be the best. They all pretty much parrot each other. Here is a 7 round mock from CBS Sports:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...ass-on-quarterback-patriots-grab-jordan-love/

You can do some googling and find the Dane Brugler mock draft on Reddit - he writes for the athletic which is behind a paywall.

Here is another:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/7-round-nfl-mock-draft-2020/


And Gil Brandt - godfather of the caste system has his Top 150 out:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...randts-topranked-prospects-for-2020-nfl-draft
 

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Looks like it's going to be a very tough draft to watch. Was briefly watching the NFL Network last night and the mock they were scrolling at the bottom had five black tackles going just in the first round. And if no White guards go until the fourth or fifth round. . . looks like the o-line is going to lean heavily black over the next few years. But the 2015 super-black draft was filled with busts, even more than usual, so hopefully the same holds true for this one.
 

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Here is an article for Shadowlight :) . Based off measureables alone Stevens should be drafted.

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...ce-nfl-teams-hes-next-taysom-hill/5125818002/


Indy's Tommy Stevens trying to convince NFL teams he's this draft's version of Taysom Hill

Joel A. Erickson, Indianapolis StarPublished 8:54 a.m. ET April 13, 2020

Tommy Stevens was bored.

That’s the way he remembers this whole thing starting, the beginning of the role he played at Penn State, a role that just might be his ticket to the NFL.

Back in 2016, Stevens was already a month or so into his second season in Happy Valley, and he hadn’t been on the field since his senior season at Decatur Central High School. He’d redshirted his first year at Penn State, then lost a training camp battle for the starting quarterback job to Trace McSorley.

Watching from the sideline was driving him crazy.

“I went up to my offensive coordinator at the time, Joe Moorhead, and I was like, ‘Hey, coach, is there any way I can run down on kickoffs or be a punt gunner, something?’” Stevens remembers saying. “’Can I have a role? I want to contribute.’”


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Nov 23, 2019; Starkville, MS, USA; Mississippi State Bulldogs quarterback Tommy Stevens (7) drops back to pass against the Abilene Christian Wildcats during the second quarter at Davis Wade Stadium. (Photo: Matt Bush-USA TODAY Sports)


The way Moorhead remembers it, the Penn State offensive staff had already been working on a package of plays for Stevens. There was no way he’d let Stevens run down and make a tackle on a kick; the Indianapolis native was his backup quarterback.

Plus, he had bigger plans.

“We were sitting in a staff meeting one day, heading into the season after training camp, after Trace had won the job and talking about how well Tommy had done in camp, how athletic he is, his unique skill set,” Moorhead said. “We said, ‘Hey, we could certainly do something to get them both on the field at the same time.’”

The result — and the subsequent success of Taysom Hill in New Orleans — has NFL teams intrigued by the element Stevens could add to their offenses.

Playing with an idea
Moorhead had been tinkering with the idea long before he arrived at Penn State.

“It doesn’t get much fanfare, but we created that package at Fordham, back there between 2012 and 2015,” Moorhead said. “We didn’t major in it; we kind of minored in it, just because we had a lot of really good skill guys. Couldn’t justify taking a wide receiver or tight end off the field to put a quarterback in.”

He’d never had an athlete like Stevens.

A former safety who didn’t start playing quarterback until his sophomore year at Decatur Central, Stevens is 6-4, 250 pounds and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.49 seconds at the pro day he put together in Tampa last month.

Moorhead took advantage by putting two quarterbacks on the field as often as he could, testing out the package in 2016.

“I played a little bit of running back, I would catch passes out of the backfield, I’d play tight end, come across the ball and leak out into the flat. I’d line up at receiver,” Stevens said. “I would line up at QB and run, direct snap, run power and zone-sucker-reads. We were very creative.”

Penn State fully unleashed Stevens on the Big Ten in 2017. Stevens completed 14-of-27 passes for 158 yards and three touchdowns, rushed for 190 yards and four touchdowns, caught 12 passes and scored two more touchdowns as a receiver. Against Maryland that year, Stevens rushed for 113 yards, caught a pass and completed three more, including a touchdown throw.

That same year, the Saints claimed Hill off of waivers and kept him on the roster as the team’s No. 3 quarterback, taking note of the former BYU star’s tremendous physical gifts. By December, Hill was playing on special teams for New Orleans, and the Saints started getting ideas.

A New Orleans assistant, Joe Brady — the same Joe Brady who revamped LSU’s offense on its way to a national title last year and got hired as the Carolina Panthers offensive coordinator this offseason — had been a graduate assistant under Moorhead at Penn State for two seasons.

New Orleans unleashed Hill on offense the next year.

For the first time since Kordell Stewart played the "Slash" role in Pittsburgh in the mid-90s, an NFL team regularly used a backup quarterback as a rushing, receiving and throwing weapon, and Hill has become a sensation.

Over the past two seasons, Hill has thrown for 119 yards, rushed for 352 yards and three touchdowns, and caught 22 passes for 238 yards and six touchdowns.

All of a sudden, teams around the NFL want their own version of Hill.

“To see him succeed at the highest possible level, a very similar guy, similar body types, he’s able to make plays,” Stevens said. “And it’s really cool to see him do it, possibly open up the door for other guys that are like me and him.”

'A world of potential'
Foot surgery and the loss of Moorhead, who took the head coaching job at Mississippi State, limited Stevens in 2018, and after the season, he transferred, joining Moorhead in Starkville and winning the starting QB job.

“I think he’s got a world of potential. The people that have called me and asked questions, I just say he lacks experience,” Moorhead said. “Unfortunately, a series of injuries derailed what could have been a very good season.”

Stevens separated his shoulder in the second game of the season, suffered a high ankle sprain three weeks later against Tennessee and got knocked out of the starting lineup for most of October. Back in the lineup in November, Stevens broke a rib and punctured a lung against Abilene Christian, forcing him to miss the Egg Bowl rivalry game against Mississippi.

In and out of the lineup all season, playing hurt most of the time, Stevens completed 60.1% of his passes for 1,155 yards, 11 touchdowns and five interceptions, and he rushed for 381 yards and four more scores — but he’s left to wonder what might have been if he hadn’t been hurt.

“The last two seasons, I’ve had more injuries than I would have liked,” Stevens said.

The NFL was paying attention anyway.

Intrigued by the size, arm strength and athleticism, the East-West Shrine Bowl invited Stevens to its annual showcase in January, a week of practice in front of NFL scouts and talent evaluators.

That week in St. Petersburg, Florida, ended up being critical.

Two months later, the coronavirus pandemic hit, and Mississippi State had to cancel its Pro Day. By virtue of playing in the Shrine Bowl, Stevens is one of the lucky prospects who had extended time with NFL teams before the pandemic grounded scouting visits and workouts.

“I’m pretty sure I met with everybody at least once; some teams, two or three times,” Stevens said. “To be able to experience that and go through interviews there, especially with what has happened now with this virus, at least I was able to have those meetings, so teams have something.”

At least four teams are interested
NFL teams are intrigued by the possibilities Stevens presents.

Four teams — the Baltimore Ravens, New York Jets, Kansas City Chiefs and the Saints — have shown interest. New Orleans, already so familiar with the effect a player like Stevens can have on offense, has had a video conference with him, and so has Kansas City, another hub of offensive innovation.

In the time of the pandemic, there are challenges. About a week ago, an NFL team called Stevens’ agents, the Indy-based team of Buddy Baker and Justin Faires, and asked if there was any way they could see him run routes. Faires called Stevens, who has been living with his family in Indianapolis, and he enlisted his brothers to throw the ball and video the workout.

“I try to look at it from a brighter perspective,” Stevens said. “This is the hand I’ve been dealt.”

For Stevens to inhabit the Taysom Hill role, he likely has to convince teams mostly of his potential as a quarterback, as a developmental player who can be the No. 3 passer and save a team a roster spot.

Hill was a highly decorated quarterback at BYU, a Heisman candidate at one point. Stevens hasn’t had those chances, even if he has the tools. But like Hill, he has been adamant about making a push at quarterback during the draft process. Before the shutdown, Stevens carved out time with his private quarterback coach, Will Hewlett of the QB Collective, to work on his throwing ability.

“I would say he has close to elite arm strength; he can rip it pretty hard,” Hewlett said. “There were some things mechanically that we had to tweak that, I think, improved his level of consistency and made it look a little more effortless.”

The leg up that Stevens has on other developmental quarterbacks, the same advantage Hill once had in New Orleans, is that he can help a team in many ways while he develops.

The way Moorhead sees it, saying Stevens could be the next Taysom Hill is a little misleading.
 

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Looks like it's going to be a very tough draft to watch. Was briefly watching the NFL Network last night and the mock they were scrolling at the bottom had five black tackles going just in the first round. And if no White guards go until the fourth or fifth round. . . looks like the o-line is going to lean heavily black over the next few years. But the 2015 super-black draft was filled with busts, even more than usual, so hopefully the same holds true for this one.

Yea the sumo class of OL is eye opening. As I said before the two groups being touted as the deepest are Oline and WR in the draft because they are the blackest. Here is what Kiper said about the draft class (I have a feeling he has said this before about other draft classes):

“In terms of depth, it’s probably the best wide-receiver class ever. I’m going almost 40 deep with receivers who have a chance to play in this league. I have 33 receivers with grades inside the first four rounds.”
—ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper.
 

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Here is an article for Shadowlight :) . Based off measureables alone Stevens should be drafted.

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...ce-nfl-teams-hes-next-taysom-hill/5125818002/


Indy's Tommy Stevens trying to convince NFL teams he's this draft's version of Taysom Hill

Joel A. Erickson, Indianapolis StarPublished 8:54 a.m. ET April 13, 2020

Tommy Stevens was bored.

That’s the way he remembers this whole thing starting, the beginning of the role he played at Penn State, a role that just might be his ticket to the NFL.

Back in 2016, Stevens was already a month or so into his second season in Happy Valley, and he hadn’t been on the field since his senior season at Decatur Central High School. He’d redshirted his first year at Penn State, then lost a training camp battle for the starting quarterback job to Trace McSorley.

Watching from the sideline was driving him crazy.

“I went up to my offensive coordinator at the time, Joe Moorhead, and I was like, ‘Hey, coach, is there any way I can run down on kickoffs or be a punt gunner, something?’” Stevens remembers saying. “’Can I have a role? I want to contribute.’”


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Nov 23, 2019; Starkville, MS, USA; Mississippi State Bulldogs quarterback Tommy Stevens (7) drops back to pass against the Abilene Christian Wildcats during the second quarter at Davis Wade Stadium. (Photo: Matt Bush-USA TODAY Sports)


The way Moorhead remembers it, the Penn State offensive staff had already been working on a package of plays for Stevens. There was no way he’d let Stevens run down and make a tackle on a kick; the Indianapolis native was his backup quarterback.

Plus, he had bigger plans.

“We were sitting in a staff meeting one day, heading into the season after training camp, after Trace had won the job and talking about how well Tommy had done in camp, how athletic he is, his unique skill set,” Moorhead said. “We said, ‘Hey, we could certainly do something to get them both on the field at the same time.’”

The result — and the subsequent success of Taysom Hill in New Orleans — has NFL teams intrigued by the element Stevens could add to their offenses.

Playing with an idea
Moorhead had been tinkering with the idea long before he arrived at Penn State.

“It doesn’t get much fanfare, but we created that package at Fordham, back there between 2012 and 2015,” Moorhead said. “We didn’t major in it; we kind of minored in it, just because we had a lot of really good skill guys. Couldn’t justify taking a wide receiver or tight end off the field to put a quarterback in.”

He’d never had an athlete like Stevens.

A former safety who didn’t start playing quarterback until his sophomore year at Decatur Central, Stevens is 6-4, 250 pounds and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.49 seconds at the pro day he put together in Tampa last month.

Moorhead took advantage by putting two quarterbacks on the field as often as he could, testing out the package in 2016.

“I played a little bit of running back, I would catch passes out of the backfield, I’d play tight end, come across the ball and leak out into the flat. I’d line up at receiver,” Stevens said. “I would line up at QB and run, direct snap, run power and zone-sucker-reads. We were very creative.”

Penn State fully unleashed Stevens on the Big Ten in 2017. Stevens completed 14-of-27 passes for 158 yards and three touchdowns, rushed for 190 yards and four touchdowns, caught 12 passes and scored two more touchdowns as a receiver. Against Maryland that year, Stevens rushed for 113 yards, caught a pass and completed three more, including a touchdown throw.

That same year, the Saints claimed Hill off of waivers and kept him on the roster as the team’s No. 3 quarterback, taking note of the former BYU star’s tremendous physical gifts. By December, Hill was playing on special teams for New Orleans, and the Saints started getting ideas.

A New Orleans assistant, Joe Brady — the same Joe Brady who revamped LSU’s offense on its way to a national title last year and got hired as the Carolina Panthers offensive coordinator this offseason — had been a graduate assistant under Moorhead at Penn State for two seasons.

New Orleans unleashed Hill on offense the next year.

For the first time since Kordell Stewart played the "Slash" role in Pittsburgh in the mid-90s, an NFL team regularly used a backup quarterback as a rushing, receiving and throwing weapon, and Hill has become a sensation.

Over the past two seasons, Hill has thrown for 119 yards, rushed for 352 yards and three touchdowns, and caught 22 passes for 238 yards and six touchdowns.

All of a sudden, teams around the NFL want their own version of Hill.

“To see him succeed at the highest possible level, a very similar guy, similar body types, he’s able to make plays,” Stevens said. “And it’s really cool to see him do it, possibly open up the door for other guys that are like me and him.”

'A world of potential'
Foot surgery and the loss of Moorhead, who took the head coaching job at Mississippi State, limited Stevens in 2018, and after the season, he transferred, joining Moorhead in Starkville and winning the starting QB job.

“I think he’s got a world of potential. The people that have called me and asked questions, I just say he lacks experience,” Moorhead said. “Unfortunately, a series of injuries derailed what could have been a very good season.”

Stevens separated his shoulder in the second game of the season, suffered a high ankle sprain three weeks later against Tennessee and got knocked out of the starting lineup for most of October. Back in the lineup in November, Stevens broke a rib and punctured a lung against Abilene Christian, forcing him to miss the Egg Bowl rivalry game against Mississippi.

In and out of the lineup all season, playing hurt most of the time, Stevens completed 60.1% of his passes for 1,155 yards, 11 touchdowns and five interceptions, and he rushed for 381 yards and four more scores — but he’s left to wonder what might have been if he hadn’t been hurt.

“The last two seasons, I’ve had more injuries than I would have liked,” Stevens said.

The NFL was paying attention anyway.

Intrigued by the size, arm strength and athleticism, the East-West Shrine Bowl invited Stevens to its annual showcase in January, a week of practice in front of NFL scouts and talent evaluators.

That week in St. Petersburg, Florida, ended up being critical.

Two months later, the coronavirus pandemic hit, and Mississippi State had to cancel its Pro Day. By virtue of playing in the Shrine Bowl, Stevens is one of the lucky prospects who had extended time with NFL teams before the pandemic grounded scouting visits and workouts.

“I’m pretty sure I met with everybody at least once; some teams, two or three times,” Stevens said. “To be able to experience that and go through interviews there, especially with what has happened now with this virus, at least I was able to have those meetings, so teams have something.”

At least four teams are interested
NFL teams are intrigued by the possibilities Stevens presents.

Four teams — the Baltimore Ravens, New York Jets, Kansas City Chiefs and the Saints — have shown interest. New Orleans, already so familiar with the effect a player like Stevens can have on offense, has had a video conference with him, and so has Kansas City, another hub of offensive innovation.

In the time of the pandemic, there are challenges. About a week ago, an NFL team called Stevens’ agents, the Indy-based team of Buddy Baker and Justin Faires, and asked if there was any way they could see him run routes. Faires called Stevens, who has been living with his family in Indianapolis, and he enlisted his brothers to throw the ball and video the workout.

“I try to look at it from a brighter perspective,” Stevens said. “This is the hand I’ve been dealt.”

For Stevens to inhabit the Taysom Hill role, he likely has to convince teams mostly of his potential as a quarterback, as a developmental player who can be the No. 3 passer and save a team a roster spot.

Hill was a highly decorated quarterback at BYU, a Heisman candidate at one point. Stevens hasn’t had those chances, even if he has the tools. But like Hill, he has been adamant about making a push at quarterback during the draft process. Before the shutdown, Stevens carved out time with his private quarterback coach, Will Hewlett of the QB Collective, to work on his throwing ability.

“I would say he has close to elite arm strength; he can rip it pretty hard,” Hewlett said. “There were some things mechanically that we had to tweak that, I think, improved his level of consistency and made it look a little more effortless.”

The leg up that Stevens has on other developmental quarterbacks, the same advantage Hill once had in New Orleans, is that he can help a team in many ways while he develops.

The way Moorhead sees it, saying Stevens could be the next Taysom Hill is a little misleading.

That is a hell of an article. Thanks for posting it. Makes you think. The whole Taysom Hill phenomenon is one of the most striking developments we have seen in the NFL the past few years. The question that has yet to be answered is if other white quarterbacks who we think have some Taysom Hill qualities have yet to bloom on the NFL level. For all the Hill chatter we know here the results are not encouraging. Albeit there is some talk that Jalen Hurts is the "next" Hill but for whites it is still an open question mark. Hurts by the way is not exactly like the next Taysom Hill. He lacks his strength and all around athletic ability.

Last year we saw two QBs that fit the label. Trace McSorley did get drafted but he languished with the Ravens. It didn't help the two QBs ahead of him are running QBs. Nick Fitzgerald was not drafted and landed on the Tampa Bay practice squad I believe but he didn't emerged from that shadow last year.

This year there are basically two "Taysom Hill" types. Tom Flacco who has been discussed here and now Tommy Stevens. What makes the Stevens case extra compelling is he actually has real experience in playing that Hill role when he was at Penn State and lined up all over the place. And he proved fully capable in that role.

Both Flacco and Stevens would make terrific Taysom Hill fill ins. With bigger rosters it makes complete sense to carry a third QB who can be utilized as a Swiss army knife.

It was difficult to judge his QB skills when Stevens played at Penn State but I caught some of his limited play last season with MISS ST and I was surprised to how well he could pass the ball.

The problem is with just a seven round draft it would take a mini miracle for either Flacco or Stevens to get drafted. But given the modern game and the innovation on offenses and the need for dynamic do everything athletes like Flacco and Stevens it stands to reason they should get drafted. If I was a GM I would be looking high and low for a Taysom Hill type which would add needed variety to any offense. And if I needed a third QB I wouldn't hesitate for one second in grabbing either Flacco or Stevens in the sixth or seventh round.

But there are too many caste cowards out there running teams and most all of them not only lack imagination they are too set in their ways which doesn't allow or open up exciting new possibilities.

So both Flacco and Stevens will have to earn their stripes the hard way and work their way up the ladder in free agency mode which is always a hard sludge infested climb.

What a shame.
 
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Here is my list of draft picks and projections. I try to account for every player with the best chance of getting drafted. I just want to put out my disclaimer that the projections I have on them is where they are most likely to be drafted within the constraints of the caste system. It is not where I believe they should be drafted. The draft starts in a little over a week and with the lack of pro day buzz - many of our guys were not able to workout in front of scouts. I tried to list UDFAs at some positions for us to keep an eye on players signing as UDFAs.

Quarterback
Joe Burrow LSU 1st
Justin Herbert Oregon 1st
Jake Fromm UGA 3rd-4th
Jacob Eason Washington 3rd-4th
James Morgan FIU 3rd-5th
Anthony Gordon Wash St 4th-6th
Cole McDonald Hawaii 5th-7th
Josh Love 6th-7th
Jake Luton 6th-7th
Shea Patterson 6th-7th
Nathan Stanley Iowa 6th-7th
Tommy Stevens Miss St UDFA
Kevin Davidson Princeton UDFA
Nathan Rourke Ohio UDFA
Tom Flacco Towson UDFA
Brian Lewerke UDFA

Running back/Fullback
Parker Houston San Diego St UDFA
Bronson Rechsteiner Kennesa St udfa

Tight End
Cole Kmet Notre Dame 2nd-3rd
Adam Trautman Dayton 3rd-4th
Harrison Bryant FAU 3rd-5th
Colby Parkinson Stanford 4th-6th
Dalton Keen Va Tech 5th-7th
Josia Deguara Cincinatti 6th-7th
Jacob Breeland 6th-7th
Sean McKeon Michigan 6th-7th
Giovanni Ricci Western Michigan 7th
Eli Wolf UGA UDFA


Wide Reciever
Chris Finke Notre Dame 6th-7th
Mason Kinsey Berry 7th
Dan Chisena PSU 7th
J.J. Koski Cal Poly UDFA
Riley Stapleton JMU UDFA
Talon Shumway BYU UDFA
Will Hasting Auburn UDFA
Sal Canella Auburn UDFA

Offensive Tackle
Ezra Cleveland Boise St 1st-2nd
Ben Bartch St. Johns 2nd-4th
Jack Driscoll Auburn 3rd-5th
Calvin Throckmorton Oregon 4th-6th
Trey Adams Washington 5th-7th
Jared Hilbers Washington 6th-7th
Jon Runyan Michigan 6th-7th
Colton McKivitz WVU 6th-7th
Charlie Heck UNC 6th-7th
Brady Aiello Oregon 7th
Blake Brandel Oregon St 7th
Alex Givens Ole Miss 7th

Offensive Guard
Logan Stenberg 4th-5th
Danny Pinter Ball St 4th-6th
Ben Bredeson 4th-6th
Shane Lemieux 4th-6th
John Molchon Boise St 6th-7th


Center
Tyler Biadasz Wisconsin 3rd-4th
Matt Hennessy Temple 3rd-4th

Defensive End
Kenny Willekes Michigan St 4th-5th
Carter Coughlin Minnesota 4th-6th
Derrek Tuszka North Dakota St 5th-7th
Joe Gaziano Northwestern 6th-7th
Bryce Sterk Montana St 6th-th

Defensive Tackle
James Lynch Baylor 2nd-4th
Robert Windsor PSU 5th-7th
Garrett Marino UAB 5th-7th

Linebackers
Logan Wilson Wyoming 2nd-3rd
Joe Bachie Mich St 4th-6th
Casey Toohill Stanford 4th-6th
Clay Johnston Baylor 5th-7th
David Woodward Utah St 5th-7th
Evan Weaver Cal 5th-7th
Austin Hall Memphis 6th-7th
Christian Rozeboom 6th-7th
Dante Olson Montana 7th

Jan Johnson PSU UDFA
Cale Garret Missouri UDFA

Safety
Tanner Muse Clemson 4th-6th
Austin Lee BYU 6th-7th
Brayden Konkol Montana St UDFA
Josh Sandry Montana UDFA
Jordan Glasgow Michigan UDFA

I want to scroll this forward because it is an important draft data base worth referencing as we near the draft just one plus week away. Good job as usual by Leonardfan.

Now Leo has mentioned above ( post #451) that roughly 38-44 whites will be selected in this limp draft and he is usually spot on so as mentioned many times here this draft will resemble a dentist visit for the most part with a few nice bits sprinkled in. It is being compared here to that awful 2015 draft. I think this will be slightly better but that isn't saying much. It will be full of black mediocrities especially in the mid to late round territory.

Starting with Tanner Muse at the top of my list I have singled out twelve white combine players that are of greatest interest to me and some of them might not even get drafted. I also would add in three non combine players on my high priority list which would include the two QBs discussed above, Tommy Stevens and Tom Flacco as well as WR Mason Kinsey.
 

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How about this blatant lie from Weenieworld? I have two words for them: Matt Jones.


In a poll of 17 NFL executives by The Athletic's Bob McGinn, scouts were torn on whether Notre Dame's Chase Claypool will be a wide receiver or tight end at the next level.
As McGinn notes, some teams are vehement that Claypool can succeed at wideout in the NFL after starting 33 games at the position in college, but other clubs are viewing the 6'4/238 Claypool as a tight end. Landing spot will be massive for Claypool when it comes to his future success. Many in the draftnik community believe Claypool can absolutely succeed as a wideout after he blazed a 4.42 forty at the Combine. He joined Calvin Johnson as the only player bigger than 6'4/235 to run a sub-4.45 forty in Combine history. Claypool is Rotoworld's Hayden Winks' No. 8 wideout and a fringe first-round talent.
 

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Matt Jones has officially been erased from The Caste Memory Hole!
 

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WOW Don!! Maybe we need to write the dweeb....It should be widely understood Matt Jones is one of the best athletes in our lifetime for any color!

THANKS for the condensing the LIST Leonardfan! The years tend to run together...sad to see this Draft rivaling 2015. It would be a lot of work ...is there a running count of white players selected thru 2010?? Was the highest number 55?? LB & TE still the strong points. QB too.....but as said before Offensive Tackle is eye popping...

Hoping dark horse D-Lineman Jonah Williams (Weber State ) will be selected 6th or 7th Round...he looked legit in the NFLPA All Star game. If he goes undrafted..still holding out hope he lands on a 53 man roster
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2020-jonah-williams-weber-nfl-draft-bzbz

Sure hope Cal Poly WR JJ Koski gets a chance
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2020-cal-poly-jj-koski-nfl-bzbz
 

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WOW Don!! Maybe we need to write the dweeb....It should be widely understood Matt Jones is one of the best athletes in our lifetime for any color!

THANKS for the condensing the LIST Leonardfan! The years tend to run together...sad to see this Draft rivaling 2015. It would be a lot of work ...is there a running count of white players selected thru 2010?? Was the highest number 55?? LB & TE still the strong points. QB too.....but as said before Offensive Tackle is eye popping...

Hoping dark horse D-Lineman Jonah Williams (Weber State ) will be selected 6th or 7th Round...he looked legit in the NFLPA All Star game. If he goes undrafted..still holding out hope he lands on a 53 man roster
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2020-jonah-williams-weber-nfl-draft-bzbz

Sure hope Cal Poly WR JJ Koski gets a chance
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2020-cal-poly-jj-koski-nfl-bzbz

I know the previous few years the number of white players was in the 50s - it may have even hit 60. I am hoping my projections are off - we do see every year how wrong the draft "experts" are in terms of projecting players. I feel that the players I listed above all have a very real shot at getting drafted. The Senior Bowl omitted quite a few deserving white athletes from the game this year. I thought the Shrine Game was a little bit better and when looking at the attendees of that game their are about 10 white players on defense that may get drafted.

One topic I respectfully disagree with Shadowlight on is that of expanding the draft. I think the UDFA route probably works out a little better than a white player being a late round draft choice. White players do not always make the best decisions in terms of coaching staffs on where to sign but they at least pay attention to roster holes or needs a team did not address in the draft. These past few years I actually enjoy tracking the UDFA signing as much if not more than the actual draft.
 

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Anyone want to make some predictions on where some of our guys may wind up?

Here are a few guesses for me:

Jacob Eason - Buccaneers or Chargers
Jake Fromm - Raiders or Falcons
James Morgan - Colts/Packers/Buccaneers
Ezra Cleveland - Browns
 

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I’m not sure what all this talk about “the best WR class ever” is about. I’d argue that the 2019 class was better than this years, there were many impact rookie WR’s last year and I highly doubt this years rookies will have the same impact. I’m not as high on the top WR’s this year as these draft “experts” are, however I think Ceedee Lamb is a pretty solid prospect. And obviously for us here the WR class is not great, but I think Hunter Renfrow’s success will make a team draft Chris Finke. I’d love to see Finke on the Seahawks, I don’t think they’ve had a white receiver since the small chance they gave Tanner McEvoy about 4 years ago. I think Finke would be a nice compliment to Tyler Locketts speed and DK Metcalfs physicality. They signed Phillip Dorsett this offseason but he is not an impressive player at all. After those guys there is almost no WR depth. Pete Carroll switched his ways and drafted 2 white linebackers last year, will he switch it up and draft a white offensive player?
 

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The media is pushing the Giants to go after Isiah Simmons who projects to an LB. This after Fackrell and Martinez were both signed and they have Mayo/Conolly on the depth chart. If I were the Giants I would be looking o-line, secondary and d-line. LB is the least of their problems.
 

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As if we don't have enough to fret about come draft time this is yet another concern. Teams drafting over the head of white players who are penciled in to start or play a lot. I'm leery of a player like Simmons. He might end up one of those sub level jack of all trades master of none types. Hell I wouldn't even bet he will have a better career than his teammate Tanner Muse. Muse is an extremely safe pick.

Hell yes the Giants need OL help to give Daniel Jones more time. Linebacker is the least of their problems.

Tampa Bay is a perfect example of this problem. Both talented Justin Watson and Scott Miller are wide receivers who should mesh well with Brady. Both are lined up to get significant playing time this season--God willing there is a season.Watson is from Penn so you know he is smart and Miller has enormous potential. Yet I keep seeing mock drafts that have them selecting black wide receivers which would make it a classic C- blocking move for both Watson and Miller. I will be royally pissed off if they pull that crap.

Tampa Bay has many more other needs and if come draft time they select a wide receiver it will instantly show they want to move no holds barred into a caste direction.
 

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The media is pushing the Giants to go after Isiah Simmons who projects to an LB. This after Fackrell and Martinez were both signed and they have Mayo/Conolly on the depth chart. If I were the Giants I would be looking o-line, secondary and d-line. LB is the least of their problems.

The fact that the Giants have those four white linebackers is probably the very reason why the media is pushing the Giants to draft Simmons. To replace the white players.
 

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A few interesting tidbits currently running on Weenieworld. Hopefully Cleveland goes in the first round:

In a poll of 17 NFL executives and scouts by The Athletic's Bob McGinn, one scout said Boise State OT Ezra Cleveland reminded him of Packers LT David Bakhtiari and Chargers RT Bryan Bulaga.
Cleveland's buzz is building of late, as NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported the Browns could be eyeing Cleveland in a trade-down scenario from No. 10 overall. Cleveland hasn't been mentioned in the same class as Mekhi Becton, Andrew Thomas, Tristan Wirfs, and Jedrick Wills, but it does sound like Cleveland has a shot to go in the first round. “He reminds me of some of the guys Green Bay has had over the years,” said the scout. “Bulaga, Bakhtiari, guys that kind of are just functional and get the job done. They’re not spectacular, just steady." Bakhtiari is one of the best left tackles in the sport. Cleveland (6'6/311) led all tackles in the 40-yard dash (4.97), Wonderlic (30), bench press (30), short shuttle (4.46), and three-cone (7.26) at the Combine.


An anonymous NFL executive expressed "serious concern about the durability" of Alabama QB Tua Tagovailoa to The Athletic's Bob McGinn.
McGinn has conducted these polls with executives and scouts for 36 years. Quotes were made anonymous starting in 2015. That executive wasn't the only one of the 18 polled to slam Tagovailoa. "I don’t want to put my whole franchise on a left-handed, beat-up, 6-foot quarterback. No thank you," said an AFC personnel man. “He’s a great college player but, wow, he is fragile,” another AFC personnel man said. “He’s a super kid and I don’t wish ill will, but there’s three, four or five red flags staring us all in the face saying, ‘You know what? This guy’s not going to be all that he’s cracked up to be.’” Some teams have expressed concern about Tagovailoa's hip injury being a problem again in a few years, causing concern when he's due a second NFL contract. On top of the hip, Tagovailoa has also had surgeries on both ankles for high-ankle sprains, a sprained knee, and hand surgery. He's already been pretty banged up in his career. At least three teams have removed Tua from their draft boards completely. His draft night could be interesting.


In poll of 17 NFL executives and scouts by The Athletic's Bob McGinn, one scout said Utah State's Jordan Love "has the most physical upside of any" quarterback in the draft.
“The great ones make things look easy," the scout continued. "He makes it look easy. He’s an effortless thrower. He played with nobody around him. This year he was just out there winging it trying to make plays to win games. Did he develop some bad habits? Yeah, of course he did. But you can rein that in. It’s (easier) to get guys that like to play it safe and check down and be chain-movers. It’s hard to get those guys that push the ball down the field. He’s the only quarterback I ever scouted who will throw into bigger windows as a pro than he did in college. Those guys did not get open for him. If he ends up outside the top 10 we could be saying, ‘How the heck did Jordan Love last that long?’ He’s just got that play-making ability.” Evaluations have been split on Love all draft season, and that continued in McGinn's poll, as another couple scouts said Love "didn’t look like he knew what he was doing" at Utah State and questioned his "poor decisions, focus, his vision, and accuracy against pressure." Love will be a fascinating player to track at the NFL level.




 
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