2019 NFL Week 13
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Taysom Hill 30 yard TD run!
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Way to go Bills and Saints. It looks like we had an early white christmas on turkey day if you know what I mean. Where is shadowlight? He has to be happy for the
first time in a while. Shadowlight get on here and start posting. Positive thoughts & vibes brother.
first time in a while. Shadowlight get on here and start posting. Positive thoughts & vibes brother.
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Josh Allen just became 1 of only 4 NFL Quarterbacks to have over 1000 yards rushing in his first 23 games. Incredible feat yet the media ignores it? He is not the type of
mobile quarterback they want. They hate whites who disprove the myth of black athletic superiority. There is no such thing. They push these lies and when whites prove them
wrong they just ignore them and their accomplishments. Josh Allen is the best mobile qb in the nfl outside of Lamar Jackson. The media can take that and deal with it! Great
game and season so far for the Bills and the main man Josh Allen!
mobile quarterback they want. They hate whites who disprove the myth of black athletic superiority. There is no such thing. They push these lies and when whites prove them
wrong they just ignore them and their accomplishments. Josh Allen is the best mobile qb in the nfl outside of Lamar Jackson. The media can take that and deal with it! Great
game and season so far for the Bills and the main man Josh Allen!
Edit: looks like Hartline beat me to it. Did you notice the other announcers just kind of shut up after he said that?
Wow anybody catch this? They were saying good things about Taysom Hill on TNF, the announcers were saying typical compliments that are "appropriate" for a White player like "he just loves playing football" "does whatever the coaches ask " and then one announcer said "yep and he's probably the fastest player on the field" and then there was an awkward silence for a while because I don't think they knew how to respond to something like that, so then he followed it up with another "and he just loves playing football". Glad he said it because Hill is very athletic and needs a bigger role.
Wow anybody catch this? They were saying good things about Taysom Hill on TNF, the announcers were saying typical compliments that are "appropriate" for a White player like "he just loves playing football" "does whatever the coaches ask " and then one announcer said "yep and he's probably the fastest player on the field" and then there was an awkward silence for a while because I don't think they knew how to respond to something like that, so then he followed it up with another "and he just loves playing football". Glad he said it because Hill is very athletic and needs a bigger role.
I have a soft spot for Dungy since he allowed Mike Alstott actually carry the ball way back when. Glad he recognizes Hill as a special, athletically gifted player and not a typical "hard working, blue-collar, student of the game".
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Anyone else notice how the NFL and their corporate partners at NBC likely hid a potential embarrassing Thanksgiving night in Atlanta? Is it possible the crowd in Atlanta was so sparse that NBC and the NFL had to take unusual steps to hide it from the public? Was the stadium half-filled? Was the stadium mostly filled? Who knows, due to the darkness and the camera angles?
1) When Arthur Blank's Atlanta MLS team plays, him and the league are so proud of the crowd size's in Georgia, that you can see actual pimples on the faces of teens sitting in the upper decks, because the lights are so bright! Okay, I'm being a bit facetious, but the lighting is so good for Atlanta MLS games, that you can clearly see the entire crowd. Did anyone else notice how dark the Stadium was last night? All you could see, was the playing field spotlighted and lower level seats, but nothing else? You could still see quite a few unoccupied seats up front and most of the "fans" visible in the lower level were sporting New Orleans apparel. When Atlanta was driving to tie the game in the final two minutes, it looked like the lower levels were mostly empty. Even "Full-blooded Italian" Mike Tirico was forced to talk about "empty seats" in the 4th quarter. Whether most (or all) of the tickets in the stadium were sold to fans and corporations prior to the game or not, who knows? But why do so few bother to show up, if those tickets are sold? After all, NFL teams only 16 games per year -- only half of those in their own stadiums.
2) Seemed to me that NBC's camera's where constantly zeroed in directly on the field play and avoided the stands at all costs. Basically used only the field camera's the entire night -- except for punts and kickoffs. AAF did similar things, except in San Antonio, where they were elated with the crowd sizes. NBC also showed very few crowd shots. And when they did show crowd shots, the Tribesman in the Truck (aka producer) generally zeroed in on a small group of fans -- perhaps a tiny throng of 9 or 10?
As I've noted, some of these Southern teams have really struggled with attendance in recent years. In the last few weeks I have watched games in Miami and Jacksonville in which the crowds were so sparse, the stadiums seemed half-filled. Too bad Atlanta's owner, the NFL and NBC went out of their way to hide the crowd size last night? Would loved to see a "hat-trick" -- garbage crowds in consecutive weeks in Miami, Jacksonville and Atlanta.
In fairness, I might be wrong. Perhaps there was a partial "black out" at the stadium do to a "power outage", where all the lights went out, except field level? Or perhaps it was just a late arriving crowd at the games start....who then spent too much time coming back to their seats in the second half. Perhaps 1,000's were held hostage in the bathrooms at half-time?
P.S: I winced upon hearing the "tight end" reference regarding Hill, although they did line up him at tight end quite a bit last night. He is a special talent and criminally underutilized. How good could he be if he was full-time running back? I guess we'll never know, barring a miracle.
1) When Arthur Blank's Atlanta MLS team plays, him and the league are so proud of the crowd size's in Georgia, that you can see actual pimples on the faces of teens sitting in the upper decks, because the lights are so bright! Okay, I'm being a bit facetious, but the lighting is so good for Atlanta MLS games, that you can clearly see the entire crowd. Did anyone else notice how dark the Stadium was last night? All you could see, was the playing field spotlighted and lower level seats, but nothing else? You could still see quite a few unoccupied seats up front and most of the "fans" visible in the lower level were sporting New Orleans apparel. When Atlanta was driving to tie the game in the final two minutes, it looked like the lower levels were mostly empty. Even "Full-blooded Italian" Mike Tirico was forced to talk about "empty seats" in the 4th quarter. Whether most (or all) of the tickets in the stadium were sold to fans and corporations prior to the game or not, who knows? But why do so few bother to show up, if those tickets are sold? After all, NFL teams only 16 games per year -- only half of those in their own stadiums.
2) Seemed to me that NBC's camera's where constantly zeroed in directly on the field play and avoided the stands at all costs. Basically used only the field camera's the entire night -- except for punts and kickoffs. AAF did similar things, except in San Antonio, where they were elated with the crowd sizes. NBC also showed very few crowd shots. And when they did show crowd shots, the Tribesman in the Truck (aka producer) generally zeroed in on a small group of fans -- perhaps a tiny throng of 9 or 10?
As I've noted, some of these Southern teams have really struggled with attendance in recent years. In the last few weeks I have watched games in Miami and Jacksonville in which the crowds were so sparse, the stadiums seemed half-filled. Too bad Atlanta's owner, the NFL and NBC went out of their way to hide the crowd size last night? Would loved to see a "hat-trick" -- garbage crowds in consecutive weeks in Miami, Jacksonville and Atlanta.
In fairness, I might be wrong. Perhaps there was a partial "black out" at the stadium do to a "power outage", where all the lights went out, except field level? Or perhaps it was just a late arriving crowd at the games start....who then spent too much time coming back to their seats in the second half. Perhaps 1,000's were held hostage in the bathrooms at half-time?
P.S: I winced upon hearing the "tight end" reference regarding Hill, although they did line up him at tight end quite a bit last night. He is a special talent and criminally underutilized. How good could he be if he was full-time running back? I guess we'll never know, barring a miracle.
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With Austin Hooper injured and the whites purged from the defense, the Falcons have become unwatchable. Glad the Saints beat them. Detroit has a coal black defense too, glad they lost as well. All three Thanksgiving games went Our Way.
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I didn't make the pic but I want to post this to give more credit to Josh Allen who the media continues to ignore. He is an elite qb in the early stages!]]==
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On a short leash this morning but a few observations.
I was shocked to hear the name Jesper Horsted as he hauled in a TD pass for the Bears. The often mentioned ex Princeton star WR in the college football thread the past couple of years, Horsted is listed as a TE but is more like a big receiver.
Then another Ivy League player scored a TD for the Falcons ( TE Jaeden Graham) from where else? Yale! Too often the draft gurus camp out at the big schools and don't pay enough attention to the obvious talent in the Ivy League. Neither of these players were drafted of course.
The Saints offense isn't as explosive as we are lead to believe and one of the reasons is they really only have one wide receiver in Thomas, who they force feed all day long thus his bulky stats. Thomas is a very good WR but has little speed. Their deep threat Ted Ginn is pretty useless. Ginn has been overrated his entire career but these days he is just plain lousy. They also had two of their white LBs Alonzo and Klein missing most of last night due to injuries but DE Trey Hendrickson mentioned above played well.
But I think they need to have dynamo ( yes I heard the fastest man on the field comment) Taysom Hill lined up more often. It is amazing he is able to do what he has because when he is in the game teams know to key on him. Seems to me he should be out there more often not only for more touches but also as a decoy so come playoff time a defense can't key on him while he is on the field. Hill is one of my favorite players.
Flip the story. Say Cowboys safety Jeff Heath and LB Vander Esch were black and their fill ins were white. We would be hearing about their absence wouldn't we? Crickets about them last night in the post game analysis. Heath was playing with two bad shoulders against the Patriots last week and made several sensational plays and was solid throughout. Vander Esch might be the best defensive player in the entire NFL. That said LB Sean Lee was tremendous last night and proved to me he is still a top tier NFL LB. The other LB Smith played well too but the rest of that Dallas D was pretty bad. Their DBs were especially weak and the absence of Heath was blindingly obvious.
But for me the highlight yesterday was WR Cole Beasley. I don't think it is lost on some here at CF that recently Cole has been used properly for a change. Instead of that annoying three yard button hook dink and dunk junk that the Cowboys forced him to play he is now getting some breathing space and we see the results. Why should a talent like Beasley be reduced to running closet patterns all the time when it is obvious he can make plays in the intermediate zone as well. Last night that was in full display. Meanwhile QB Josh Allen is just scratching the surface of his enormous talent.
I was shocked to hear the name Jesper Horsted as he hauled in a TD pass for the Bears. The often mentioned ex Princeton star WR in the college football thread the past couple of years, Horsted is listed as a TE but is more like a big receiver.
Then another Ivy League player scored a TD for the Falcons ( TE Jaeden Graham) from where else? Yale! Too often the draft gurus camp out at the big schools and don't pay enough attention to the obvious talent in the Ivy League. Neither of these players were drafted of course.
The Saints offense isn't as explosive as we are lead to believe and one of the reasons is they really only have one wide receiver in Thomas, who they force feed all day long thus his bulky stats. Thomas is a very good WR but has little speed. Their deep threat Ted Ginn is pretty useless. Ginn has been overrated his entire career but these days he is just plain lousy. They also had two of their white LBs Alonzo and Klein missing most of last night due to injuries but DE Trey Hendrickson mentioned above played well.
But I think they need to have dynamo ( yes I heard the fastest man on the field comment) Taysom Hill lined up more often. It is amazing he is able to do what he has because when he is in the game teams know to key on him. Seems to me he should be out there more often not only for more touches but also as a decoy so come playoff time a defense can't key on him while he is on the field. Hill is one of my favorite players.
Flip the story. Say Cowboys safety Jeff Heath and LB Vander Esch were black and their fill ins were white. We would be hearing about their absence wouldn't we? Crickets about them last night in the post game analysis. Heath was playing with two bad shoulders against the Patriots last week and made several sensational plays and was solid throughout. Vander Esch might be the best defensive player in the entire NFL. That said LB Sean Lee was tremendous last night and proved to me he is still a top tier NFL LB. The other LB Smith played well too but the rest of that Dallas D was pretty bad. Their DBs were especially weak and the absence of Heath was blindingly obvious.
But for me the highlight yesterday was WR Cole Beasley. I don't think it is lost on some here at CF that recently Cole has been used properly for a change. Instead of that annoying three yard button hook dink and dunk junk that the Cowboys forced him to play he is now getting some breathing space and we see the results. Why should a talent like Beasley be reduced to running closet patterns all the time when it is obvious he can make plays in the intermediate zone as well. Last night that was in full display. Meanwhile QB Josh Allen is just scratching the surface of his enormous talent.
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Just a note on Atlanta's attendance woes. My cousin is originally from Seattle but lives in Atalanta, she and her hubby went to the recent Falcons/Seahawks game and the stadium was as she said maybe a 1/4 full at most. She said you could hear the people whispering across on the other side lol.
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Yes sprintstar, it does look like Atlanta had another wretch crowd last night, much like your family members described to you. Probably helped quite a bit that they faced another Southern team, as it seemed like New Orleans fans came streaming in, based on their apparel in the visible lower level. Had they been playing a team like Seattle or the N.Y. Giants, it might've turned out to be a total "train-wreck" last night.
Here is a short video of a fairly recent, well attended MLS match in Atlanta. Notice how well lit the entire stadium is? You can even see the few empty Upper level seats clearly. Contrast to last night's game were beside the spotlighted playing field and some lower seats, the rest of the stadium was almost completely dark.
Here's a You Tube video of Taysom Hills great Thanksgiving performance. Please notice at about the 47 second mark (1st touchdown) and the 1:12 mark (2nd touchdown) how dark the stadium is. You simply can not see most of the crowd. Again, contrast that with the lighting for the MLS team and you'll notice something is up?
Couple years ago, Breibart (I think) reported the NFL and the networks were considering a silly system were they could digitally fill a stadium with computer generated fans. So, for example, an almost completely empty Liberty Bowl for the Memphis Express (defunct AAF) could look like they have Super Bowl sized crowd for every game on TV. With modern camera phones, I doubted that ever could happen. News of the fraudulent crowds would get out quickly. But the NFL and Atlanta absolutely unveiled their emergency plan last night -- darken the stadium so much, that most empty seats disappear. Also, as I noted earlier, they also changed camera angles, to avoid the crowd.
Here is a short video of a fairly recent, well attended MLS match in Atlanta. Notice how well lit the entire stadium is? You can even see the few empty Upper level seats clearly. Contrast to last night's game were beside the spotlighted playing field and some lower seats, the rest of the stadium was almost completely dark.
Here's a You Tube video of Taysom Hills great Thanksgiving performance. Please notice at about the 47 second mark (1st touchdown) and the 1:12 mark (2nd touchdown) how dark the stadium is. You simply can not see most of the crowd. Again, contrast that with the lighting for the MLS team and you'll notice something is up?
Couple years ago, Breibart (I think) reported the NFL and the networks were considering a silly system were they could digitally fill a stadium with computer generated fans. So, for example, an almost completely empty Liberty Bowl for the Memphis Express (defunct AAF) could look like they have Super Bowl sized crowd for every game on TV. With modern camera phones, I doubted that ever could happen. News of the fraudulent crowds would get out quickly. But the NFL and Atlanta absolutely unveiled their emergency plan last night -- darken the stadium so much, that most empty seats disappear. Also, as I noted earlier, they also changed camera angles, to avoid the crowd.
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Josh Allen just became 1 of only 4 NFL Quarterbacks to have over 1000 yards rushing in his first 23 games. Incredible feat yet the media ignores it? He is not the type of
mobile quarterback they want. They hate whites who disprove the myth of black athletic superiority. There is no such thing. They push these lies and when whites prove them
wrong they just ignore them and their accomplishments. Josh Allen is the best mobile qb in the nfl outside of Lamar Jackson. The media can take that and deal with it! Great
game and season so far for the Bills and the main man Josh Allen!
L. Jackson will have success against the mediocre to bad teams. The elite teams with good defenses will figure him out and will eventually slow him down significantly. He can adapt and survive in the league or he can keep running and have a shortened career.
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Wow, talk about (((them))) taking fake news to the next level. But at this point it's exactly what we should expect.
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I was traveling for the holiday so I was not able to post as much as I would of liked. The whole slate of games yesterday pretty much worked out in our favor. Josh Allen played very well in front of a national audience against an over matched and fraudulent Cowboys team. As others have posted - Allen should be the supposed "next generation" of QBs to revolutionize the position but since he is white he is just being treated as an afterthought. The Bills offense is not the simplistic offense run by the Ravens either - not alot of designed runs or easy passes to TEs wide open 7 yards down field. The Bills have a better record than both the Chiefs and Texans both led by media hype job black quarterbacks. Prescott is probably playing himself out of a big time contract - any team that pays him more than what the Cowboys will be paying for years of mediocrity. The Cowboys window is slowly starting to close - the offensive line is getting older, Elliot will start to wear down some etc. Put Wentz on the Cowboys and they are a totally different team.
Trubisky also played well on a national stage - he seemed to be a different QB - less timid and more in control of the offense. It was good to see him stave off the critics on the other nationally televised game. I don't care for the Bears outside of Trubisky and the few talented white athletes on the roster but I would like to see them finish the season strong. David Blough was equally as impressive for the Lions against one of the supposed best defenses in the NFL. I found it ironic that he was the last team to beat Ohio St (last year) and his one performance was exponentially better than anything Dwayne Haskins has put together for the Redskins.
Trubisky also played well on a national stage - he seemed to be a different QB - less timid and more in control of the offense. It was good to see him stave off the critics on the other nationally televised game. I don't care for the Bears outside of Trubisky and the few talented white athletes on the roster but I would like to see them finish the season strong. David Blough was equally as impressive for the Lions against one of the supposed best defenses in the NFL. I found it ironic that he was the last team to beat Ohio St (last year) and his one performance was exponentially better than anything Dwayne Haskins has put together for the Redskins.
I watched about 2 quarters of the Atlanta game and my thoughts were that the TV crew was chinting us on views of the crowd and rather obviously as well. And those were my non-expert thoughts on the Saints' WRs Thomas being someone who can actually run a route besides slinking downfield for a highlight catch or two during the season.
Nick more than deserves to be starting for a team next season. He's a great fit with the Bears (when they actually play him), but the Rodent and Ryan Case are so caste that Nick should at the least check out the market for his services after this season. When even Aunt Crissie's Pro Football Focus recognizes a White player's effectiveness you know he's a keeper.
Nick Kwiatkoski continues to prove he belongs in Bears' starting lineup
by Bryan Perez
When the 2019 season began, inside linebacker Nick Kwiatkoski wouldn't have been one of the first defensive players mentioned when discussing this Bears team. In fact, he might not have been mentioned at all.
But following another standout effort in Week 13's win over the Detroit Lions, Kwiatkoski has emerged as a critical piece to the future of the Bears' defense while filling in for an injured Danny Trevathan, who happens to have an expiring contract at year's end.
Kwiatkoski's rookie deal is up after 2019, too. General manager Ryan Pace will be forced to choose between the them this offseason; there's little-to-no chance the Bears can re-sign both.
Kwiatkoski's resume of impressive performances added another page on Thanksgiving Day when he finished tied for the Bears' highest-graded defender, per Pro Football Focus. His 78.6 was the same score as cornerback Kyle Fuller and was better than Bears stars Eddie Jackson and Khalil Mack. He ended the game with seven tackles and a near-interception and was seemingly all over the field. It was the second time in four weeks that Kwiatkoski was Chicago's best. In Week 10, also against the Lions, he registered PFF's highest grade of any linebacker in the NFL.
Kwiatkoski's recorded 35 tackles, two sacks and an interception in 12 games (four starts) in 2019.
The combination of Kwiatkoski and Roquan Smith (who finished the Lions game with 15 tackles and two sacks) has become an encouraging development in an otherwise frustrating season. Now it's up to Pace to make sure he keeps the pair together for the prime seasons of their careers.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/b...tinues-prove-he-belongs-bears-starting-lineup
Nick Kwiatkoski continues to prove he belongs in Bears' starting lineup
by Bryan Perez
When the 2019 season began, inside linebacker Nick Kwiatkoski wouldn't have been one of the first defensive players mentioned when discussing this Bears team. In fact, he might not have been mentioned at all.
But following another standout effort in Week 13's win over the Detroit Lions, Kwiatkoski has emerged as a critical piece to the future of the Bears' defense while filling in for an injured Danny Trevathan, who happens to have an expiring contract at year's end.
Kwiatkoski's rookie deal is up after 2019, too. General manager Ryan Pace will be forced to choose between the them this offseason; there's little-to-no chance the Bears can re-sign both.
Kwiatkoski's resume of impressive performances added another page on Thanksgiving Day when he finished tied for the Bears' highest-graded defender, per Pro Football Focus. His 78.6 was the same score as cornerback Kyle Fuller and was better than Bears stars Eddie Jackson and Khalil Mack. He ended the game with seven tackles and a near-interception and was seemingly all over the field. It was the second time in four weeks that Kwiatkoski was Chicago's best. In Week 10, also against the Lions, he registered PFF's highest grade of any linebacker in the NFL.
Kwiatkoski's recorded 35 tackles, two sacks and an interception in 12 games (four starts) in 2019.
The combination of Kwiatkoski and Roquan Smith (who finished the Lions game with 15 tackles and two sacks) has become an encouraging development in an otherwise frustrating season. Now it's up to Pace to make sure he keeps the pair together for the prime seasons of their careers.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/b...tinues-prove-he-belongs-bears-starting-lineup
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