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Ex-Rutgers star Scott Vallone not a big fan of 'high motor' label; wishes he'd get more credit for his skill and speed.

Despite collecting only 12 career receptions, W.V.U. receiver Ryan Nehlen

*He compares himself to Jordy Nelson in the article but he is definitely wrong when he says he doesn't blow by people. Either way he's a long shot but it makes you wonder why this gifted athlete barely saw the field at WVU.
 

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McGuffie tore it up! Some other top performers from Rice


Here's a summary of the others' performances:

Taylor Cook

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Height: 6-7
Weight: 262 pounds
Wingspan: 82"
Bench reps @ 225: 20 times
Vertical: 37"
Broad Jump: 10'2"
40 yard dash: 4.71 seconds

Sam McGuffie

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Weight: 201 pounds
Bench reps @ 225: 26 times
Vertical: 40"
Broad Jump: 11'2"
40 yard dash: 4.36 seconds


Luke Willson

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Height: 6-5
Weight: 251 pounds
Bench reps @ 225: 23 times
Vertical: 38"
Broad Jump: 10'3"
40 yard dash: 4.47 seconds



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At Indiana's pro day Defensive Tackle Adam Replogle, a combine snub ,also put in a top notch performance. He ran a5.04 40yard dash, a31 inch vert, and also repped 38 on the bench press. Had he done enough to garner an invite from the racist selection committee he would have been in the top 5 in DT's in nearly every category they test in.


IU's Center Will Matte showed some strength 31bench reps.

Cooper Taylor could be best safety in the draft!! Ran a 4.45 and 4.54

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Richmond Pro Day: Jaguars watch 6'4", 229 pound safety Cooper Taylor display athleticism.


Former Texas Tech safety Cody Davis releases Pro Day Video in advance of N.F.L. Draft.


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Here's a great analysis of Ryan Swope, except at the end when they classify him as a "small receiver" when he's average-sized for the NFL. I'm also going to post it in the Swope thread. The site that published it is a subscription one, so the link at the end is to a Houston Texans DWF board that reprinted it (and which has a few good posts).

NFL DRAFT 2013 - WR-S
By R.C. Fischer
Release Date: 3/13/2013

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Draft 2013: Statistical Analysis of WR Ryan Swope, Texas A&M

*WR grades can and will change as more information comes in from Pro-Day workouts,
Wonderlic test results leaked, etc. We will update ratings as new info becomes available.

*WR-B stands for "Big-WR," a classification we use to separate the more physical, downfield/over-the-top, heavy red-zone threat type WRs. Our WR-S/"small-WRs" are profiled by our computer as more slot and/or possession type WRs that are less typically physical, and rely more upon speed/agility to operate underneath the defense and/or use big speed to get open deep...they are not as big a weapon for the red-zone.


So Tavon Austin runs a 4.34 time in the 40-yard dash and is immediately rushed to the top of many NFL Draft analysts' #1-3 overall WR rankings for the 2013 WR class. Ryan Swope runs a 4.34 time in the 40-yard dash and all we hear are crickets chirping. Swope is outside
the top-10 overall WR prospects for most every mainstream website today (currently the #20 overall WR for ESPN, and #12 for CBS Sports).

Swope ran the same 40-time as Austin at the 2013 NFL Combine, but had a higher vertical leap (+5"), a better broad jump (+5"), a longer arm length (1"+), and a stronger bench press (+2 reps). It's arguable that Swope should be judged as the stronger, more athletic version of Tavon Austin. At the absolute worst case, we could argue that Swope and Austin are the same athlete.

...but that would be misleading.

It's unfair to claim that Swope and Austin are roughly the same athlete, because Swope is nearly four inches taller and 30+ pounds heavier/more solid. That statement alone is worth its weight in NFL Draft gold. Why would you choose to take the 5'8", 174-pound version of a WR that is available in the 6'0", 205-pound "XXL" sizing.

No one in their right mind would pick the substantially smaller version of the identical athlete...except every website known to mankind has Austin as a definitive top-3 overall WR, and Swope somewhere between #10-20 on the WR prospect rankings...every website
except for us. We think it is insane to rate Austin as a better NFL WR prospect than Swope. Insane, delirious, hackneyed, mimicking, or ignorant...take your pick.

I know what some of you are thinking (besides the opening of, "well...everyone else says..."). You might be thinking that you've seen Austin play, and he was awesome, and you don't really remember anything exciting about Ryan Swope. Blame your national sports media, don't blame Swope. Blame a personal Jordy Nelson-esque bias, don't blame Swope.

Take a look at the following comparison of Austin vs. Swope with the following factors in
mind:

1) In 2012, Austin had three lower-level games before the video game performance by West Virginia against the non-defense of Baylor (where Geno threw for 8 TDs). I'll grant the Baylor game plus the next five games (Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas State, TCU, Oklahoma State) as the six games that represent Austin's toughest challenges of 2012 playing WR (after those games Austin became more of a RB).

2) In 2012, Johnny Football and Swope didn't seem to get rolling until midway through the season. Looking at Swope's final seven games in 2012 (minus the Sam Houston State joke of a game), he faced LSU, Auburn, Mississippi State, Alabama, Missouri, Oklahoma. We'll use those six difficult opponents to compare to Austin's six mentioned above.

Take the six game sample described for Austin and Swope, and you get the following per-game performance averages as a WR:

*8.5 receptions, 101.3 yards, 0.83 TDs = Swope

10.3 receptions, 103.8 yards, 1.00 TDs = Austin


Considering that the Baylor game was almost like two games-in-one for output for the team, Swope's performance/output against good-great competition was right there with Austin's.

Consider that Geno Smith threw the ball 47.0 times per-game, and Johnny Manziel a much lower 37.3 times per-game in that six-game comparison span...and I'd say Swope was probably a better performer on a "pound-for-pound" basis.

With Swope, you get just as high of a college output as Austin, the same athleticism, and a much sturdier, less injury-risk physical frame. With Austin, you get that one surreal
performance that he had against Oklahoma which made everyone orgasmic.

When I watch Swope on tape, I see more NFL versatility and functionality. Watching the college tape, many times Swope is catching passes over the middle, and defenders are smashing into him upon his catch, and then he bounces off the would-be tacklers like a pinball and keeps on trucking...and no one catches a truck with a 4.34 time in the 40-yard dash when it breaks free.

When I watch Austin's college tape, I see the speedy water bug weaving through traffic and folding upon any contact...what do you think will happen when he enters into NFL-sized congestion?

Swope is the superior NFL prospect over Austin. I'm not saying that Austin will be a bust in the NFL, it's just that Swope is the better NFL play.


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Ryan Swope, Through the Lens of our "Small-WR" Scouting Algorithm

2012 wasn't even Swope's best college season (72 rec., 913 yards, 8 TD). Swope was an even better producer with the more NFL-like Ryan Tannehill in 2011 (89 rec., 1,207
yards, 11 TDs). 2011 may have been a touch easier because of the 2012 switch to the SEC. However, Swope did not fade in performance as the competition level was raised to facing the SEC powers. Against Alabama and LSU in 2012, Swope averaged 10.5 receptions for 96.0 yards and 0.5 TDs. His Alabama and LSU performances were arguably his best statistical games of 2012.

In Swope's three games as a starter against Oklahoma in his career -- 8.0 receptions, 129.7 yards, 0.67 TDs per-game (and a 100+ yard output in each of the three contests).

Swope has been a consistent performer for three seasons, catching 70+ passes per year with 800+ yards each season as well.

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A list of the WRs who are over 200+ pounds and ran sub 4.4 time in the 40-yard dash in our historical database (alphabetically):

Andre Caldwell, Florida

Tyrone Calico, Mid Tenn. State

Stephen Hill, Ga. Tech

Chad Jackson, Florida

Calvin Johnson, Ga. Tech

Julio Jones, Alabama

Matt Jones, Arkansas

Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland

Randy Moss, Marshall

Chaz Schilens, San Diego St

Ryan Swope, Texas
A&M

Javon Walker, Florida State

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Swope has the physical measureables and solid on-field performance to be a good-great NFL prospect. We think he is being completely overlooked by the mainstream scouting websites and services.

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The NFL "Small-WRs" that Ryan Swope most compares to statistically in college, within our system analysis:

It is not crazy at all to say that Ryan Swope is a Torrey Smith type of WR. Swope is a touch shorter with a little less vertical, so he is not the red-zone threat that Smith can be used as against the right CB matchup. Outside of Torrey being a bit taller with a better vertical...the rest of their on-field performances and physical dimensions are very similar in our grading.

I would also advance that Swope is potentially a taller, much faster, just as physical version of a Wes Welker.

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WR-s Score Draft Yr Last First College H H W Power Strength Metric Speed Agility Metric
"Hands" Metric 8.21 2013 Swope Ryan Texas A&M 6 0.2 205 11.91 14.48
6.0411.60

2011 Smith Torrey Maryland 6 0.9 204 13.54 12.70 8.51
6.75

2012 Owusu Chris Stanford 5 11.4 196 12.45 12.21 3.22
10.83

2004 Evans Lee Wisconsin 5 10.7 197 9.41 13.45 10.83
10.58

2006 Jennings Greg W. Michigan 5
11.0 197 10.76 12.81 9.91
9.63

2010 Roberts Andre Citadel 5 10.7 195 9.42
12.44 10.59 6.25

2012 Ebert Jeremy Northwestern 5 10.8 200 9.90 11.64
10.15
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Ryan Swope Overall Metrics Scouting Score = 8.21 ("B-"
grade level prospect)

*A score of 8.50+ is where we see a stronger correlation of WRs going on to become NFL good/great/elite. A score of 10.00+ is more rarefied air in our system, and indicates a greater probability of becoming an NFL elite WR.

All of the WR ratings are based on a 0-10 scale, but a player can score negative, or above a 10.0 in certain instances.

Overall WR score = A combination of several on-field performance measures, including
refinement for strength of opponents faced. Mixed with all the physical measurement metrics, rated historically in our database.

"Power-Strength" = A combination of unique metrics surrounding physical-size profiling, bench press strength, etc.* High scorers here project to be more physical, better
blockers, and less injury-prone.

"Speed-Agility" = A combination of unique metrics surrounding speed, agility, physical size, mixed with some on-field performance metrics. High scorers here project to have a better YAC, and show characteristics to be used as deep threats/create separation.

"Hands" = A combination of unique metrics surrounding on-field performance in college, considering the strength of opponents played. Furthermore, this data considers some physical profiling for hand-size, etc. High scorers here have a better track record of college statistical performance, and overall projects the combination of performance and physical data for the next-level.

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2013 NFL Draft outlook...

We see Swope being nationally rated as a 3rd-5th-round draft pick, and that's a fair value...since we value smaller WRs beyond the 2nd-round. However, Swope should be taken ahead of Tavon Austin...and then you can debate over Swope-Patton-Allen-Hopkins as the best slot/possession WR in the draft. I think Swope is definitely going to be
selected by the 3rd-round, with the possibility of sneaking into the late 2nd-round.

If I were advising an NFL franchise on the draft, and we needed a possession type WR (let's say I am representing the Patriots, Texans, or Vikings as an example)...I am all over Swope as a potential value proposition in the 3rd or 4th-round if he slides that far. You can have Keenan Allen in the 1st-round, or DeAndre Hopkins and Quinton Patton in the 2nd-round...I'll take Swope all day in the 3rd or 4th-round. If I was pressed to decide between all the quality, smaller WRs in the 2013 Draft -- I could argue Swope as the best of
the bunch due to his athleticism. It would come down to a choice of Allen and Swope for me...for fear of Hopkins' attitude and Patton being a little less athletic.

Swope is going to be as good in the NFL as the team/offense/QB he has to work with. Swope cannot single-handedly change an offense. He's not a Percy Harvin type of smaller WR, but he could be a 80-100 catch WR with the New England Patriots/Tom Brady (pre-Amendola or D. Jones) right away. He might can do so with the Houston Texans in 2013. Swope is an excellent WR to have as your possession/slot WR, with some upside to be a kick or punt returner. Swope is going to be one of the craftier selections for someone in the 2013 NFL Draft.

http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=36483
 
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Man, I'd love to see Swope end up on the Patriots w Amendola lining up on the other side. They both can play long and underneath. Of course, the Pats would have to move away from their tight end set but hey, if life gives you lemons...

His highlight reel says it all. The kid is an amazing talent with a great future if he stays healthy.

Keep underrating him. Let him hang around so
that NE has a shot at him.
 

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Zach Rogers etc

Zach Rogers ran a 4.49 on a what appears to be a slow track. A young Brandon Stokely perhaps? And Cooper Taylor and Cody Davis look like the real deal. Great job McGuffie too.
Man, I'd love to see Swope end up on the Patriots w Amendola lining up on the other side. They both can play long and underneath. Of course, the Pats would have to move away from their tight end set but hey, if life gives you lemons...

His highlight reel says it all. The kid is an amazing talent with a great future if he stays healthy.

Keep underrating him. Let him hang around so
that NE has a shot at him.
 
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Thanks for the video 44. I am skeptical of college pro day 40 yard dash times but you can see in he video that Mcguffie is really fast. The fact that he is a former Rice track standout you can see Sam dip down as he hits the line. That may have saved him a few hundredth of a second.
I have no idea if Sam will make the NFL but he certainly has the athleticism that the NFL craves. Then again I would rather have a " football player " over an athlete who plays football on my team.
 

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is he (Sam McGuffie) working out as a RB at all?

what a great results!
No, Sam is going into the draft as a slot WR. From what I saw of him the last two years at Rice, it's a good call by him. As a "Welker", McGuffie can have a big impact and be a real draft steal. Considering that many of the types of passes he caught at Rice were simply long handoffs, it's really not that big of a difference, but he does his best work in space, not between the tackles.
 
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I 100 % agree Football Dad. I would love to see McGuffie run out of the tailback spot but he has a better chance of sticking and producing on a team playing the slot/kr/pr role.
 

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Yes, for some reason McGuffie struggled with vision when running traditional running plays, or in general. Although it didn't see to be as big of a problem at Michigan where the holes were bigger, he had creases to work with at Rice, which is what he will see in the NFL, but he did put up 1200 yards from scrimmage his sophomore year, 800+ were rushing. I think junior year was nagging leg injuries and then transitioning to wideout.

I believe I read his 4.37 was electronic.


Hyped up Jarvis Jones considered one of the top outside linebackers ran a 4.92 at his pro day. Now he might fall.....to the bottom of the first round. Ridiculous...could you imagine a White outside linebacker putting up a 4.92 at a pro day and still get consideration to being drafted? Thats included with "spotty medicals". Ryan Swope can have production run a 4.34 but his "small hands" (despite never having a problem catching) and suppposed "multiple" (could mean two or 3 very minor) concussions leads him to the 3rd round at best?
 

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Yes, for some reason McGuffie struggled with vision when running traditional running plays, or in general. Although it didn't see to be as big of a problem at Michigan where the holes were bigger, he had creases to work with at Rice, which is what he will see in the NFL, but he did put up 1200 yards from scrimmage his sophomore year, 800+ were rushing. I think junior year was nagging leg injuries and then transitioning to wideout.

I believe I read his 4.37 was electronic.


Hyped up Jarvis Jones considered one of the top outside linebackers ran a 4.92 at his pro day. Now he might fall.....to the bottom of the first round. Ridiculous...could you imagine a White outside linebacker putting up a 4.92 at a pro day and still get consideration to being drafted? Thats included with "spotty medicals". Ryan Swope can have production run a 4.34 but his "small hands" (despite never having a problem catching) and suppposed "multiple" (could mean two or 3 very minor) concussions leads him to the 3rd round at best?

Chase Thomas had a bad 40 time and now may not get drafted at all.
 

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Yes, for some reason McGuffie struggled with vision when running traditional running plays, or in general. Although it didn't see to be as big of a problem at Michigan where the holes were bigger, he had creases to work with at Rice, which is what he will see in the NFL, but he did put up 1200 yards from scrimmage his sophomore year, 800+ were rushing. I think junior year was nagging leg injuries and then transitioning to wideout.

I believe I read his 4.37 was electronic.


Hyped up Jarvis Jones considered one of the top outside linebackers ran a 4.92 at his pro day. Now he might fall.....to the bottom of the first round. Ridiculous...could you imagine a White outside linebacker putting up a 4.92 at a pro day and still get consideration to being drafted? Thats included with "spotty medicals". Ryan Swope can have production run a 4.34 but his "small hands" (despite never having a problem catching) and suppposed "multiple" (could mean two or 3 very minor) concussions leads him to the 3rd round at best?
No outside White linebacker would get looked at if he ran that time. If he was bigger he might be given a shot as an end or a middle backer. 4.92 is pedestrian for an outside linebacker even if he the White player had All-American type production he would be viewed as a college only type player. There is no doubt McGuffie will be in a training camp for some team, the question is whether he will be drafted late or fall to UDFA status player. I also think if he doesn't make an NFL roster he would be scooped up by a CFL team as his game is similar to various CFL star running backs.
 

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On the NFL Network, boy wonder Daniel Jeremiah still has Jarvis Jones going 9th in the first round in his latest mock draft. He said his 40 time is a concern but that he didn't want to over-react to it. Maybe Jones' magical and conveniently unmeasurable hip swivel compensates for his cement legs?
 

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Ryan Swope can have production run a 4.34 but his "small hands" (despite never having a problem catching) and suppposed "multiple" (could mean two or 3 very minor) concussions leads him to the 3rd round at best?

He's had 4 "official" concussions since coming to A&M. He may have had other bell-ringings, but didn't say anything to team doctors. His last official one was on October 13th against Louisiana Tech.

After the 1st round Jahvid Best debacle, I don't think teams are gonna touch Swope early. I think teams would rather risk 3rd or 4th round Austin Collie-type money instead.
 

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He's had 4 "official" concussions since coming to A&M. He may have had other bell-ringings, but didn't say anything to team doctors. His last official one was on October 13th against Louisiana Tech.

After the 1st round Jahvid Best debacle, I don't think teams are gonna touch Swope early. I think teams would rather risk 3rd or 4th round Austin Collie-type money instead.


What's your source for this? And since you put official in sarcastic quotes, do you believe he's had even more concussions, that A&M deliberately hid? And considering that he didn't miss any games his freshman, sophomore, junior and senior seasons, the sudden post-Combine concern about Swope's alleged concussions seems strange. How bad could any of the alleged concussions have been if he didn't miss playing time?
 

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He's had 4 "official" concussions since coming to A&M. He may have had other bell-ringings, but didn't say anything to team doctors. His last official one was on October 13th against Louisiana Tech.

After the 1st round Jahvid Best debacle, I don't think teams are gonna touch Swope early. I think teams would rather risk 3rd or 4th round Austin Collie-type money instead.

yeah, that concussion must have been so terrible being that he came back the next week and put up 10 catches against LSU. When were the other supposed ones? because he played every game from what I recall. His concussion issue is much different from Jahvid Best, he was actually moving around after that hit against Tech, Best was stiff and out of it.

"He said, luckily, that it was a mild one and, of course, Swope returned to the starting lineup the following week against LSU."

Funny how when this concussion thing came out I surfed the web endlessly and couldn't find anything except the thing against La Tech. Now more articles are pouring in, supposedly suffering a similar one against Oklahoma St the year before, but he played the entire game, all the way until the 4th quarter he was catching passes with 7 catches and 105 yards and then played the next week against Arkansas with 92 yards on 5 catches, they all say 4 concussions but don't say when. The Oklahoma St. seems to be a stretch because he played the entire game and the next one as well.

So:
1. neither were serious, these look to be more of "bell ringers" that he did report to be on the safe side. I have seen guys take hits like the one he had against Tech and come back in and play.
2. when did the other 2 occur?


and I just knew the Austin Collie reference would come in as soon as the reported concussion issue surfaced. Players get mild concussions all the time and don't report them. Ryan apparently did, or the team doctors were stricter.
 
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The concussion thing is clearly just the satan worshiping powers that be trying to discredit young Swope. Its all bs, and even if its true so what? That shouldnt effect his draft status in the least. If he was black it would be a non issue.
 

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yes, Best suffered two concussions in a span of two weeks and missed the rest of the season, decided not to go back his next season and declared, 1st round pick, and those weren't his only concussions or injuries, he had a foot injury, dislocated elbow, just injury prone in general.

But yeah, guys get mild concussions all the time and don't report them, like Steve Gleason who now has ALS, but he said he would have multiple bell ringers in a season over the span of a long career where he was a special teams demon, the place where concussions are most likely to occur.

but lets just keep parroting what they say because if they said it.....it must be true, 4 concussions. You have to realize the severity of concussions varies. There was a promising rb who had 4 and could no longer play, because the ones he received were more severe. If you get dinged in the head and can play the next week then its not as big of an issue. The longer you wait from a concussion the less likely its going to happen. McGuffie had several his freshman season and hasn't had any since. Part of the reason was because RichRod decided instead of sitting him after his concussion, put him on special teams returning kicks, and everybody was out to get his head because of his famous video and the fact that he was White, which is probably why Swope was targeted helmet to helmet in the Tech game.

“We’re going to err on the side of safety,” coach Kevin Sumlin said. “We take that very seriously. That’s a day-to-day deal.”

it was against La Tech, I think if it were a tougher team he would have been back in.

"I got with the doctors, and the (injury) wasn't as bad as we thought. We wanted to be cautious because it's your brain you're messing with, of course, so we took it cautiously."

just watched the OSU hit, he looked like he was trying to draw the flag and he got one, when he walked to the sidelines he looked fine and went back and caught 2 more passes.
 
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"Jags" is a long time repeat troll. I figured he wouldn't respond.
 

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I just wanted to chime in on the whole Jarvis Jones 40 time.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-jones-you-cant-change-what-you-see-on-tape/

Plenty of white LB's have been better and more productive players than Jones. Chase Thomas is a perfect example as others mentioned in this thread yet no one is coming to his defense after running a slower 40 and saying well look at the tape.

It just proves we are living in a bizarro world.
 
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Jarvis Jones's combine and pro day numbers provide us with a nice example of what is wrong with the NFL. Maybe even a DWF can understand it.

1) Jones had a very productive college career, playing against really good competition.

2) His combine and pro day numbers are not particularly good.

Could this possibly mean that the combine isn't exactly a great way to evaluate players? Could it be that scouts should actually watch players actually play football? Nah, the scouts need the combine so they can see the players in their underwear.

3) Many white players are very productive in college, but still have to prove themselves at the combine. When they do so, it doesn't really help (Swope). While Jones might have hurt his draft status a bit, he's still going to be a 1st rounder (and he probably should be). Swope's career numbers and measurables should make him a 1st rounder, but it won't happen.

4) Conclusion: Combine measurables mostly do not help white players, they can usually only hold their place or fall. Blacks can help their draft position at the combine, or hurt it, but only minimally.

The combine is a joke. I think it was instituted to worship black players, and the inconvenient white players that do well have the side effect of causing the DWF world to do all sorts of verbal gymnastics to explain them away. I guess the one good purpose it does serve is to make the caste system all the more obvious.
 

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