2012 Senior Bowl

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Well it's that time of year when plenty of promising white football players begin the process of getting snubbed from making it to the NFL. So far only three white players have been invited to participate in the senior bowl:

QB Kellen Moore
C David Molk
OL Kevin Zeitler

When looking at other players from the following teams - Cincinatti, Boise St and Nevada have had invites for black players but for some reason Derek Wolfe, Nate Potter, Shea McEllin and Brett Roy have not received invites...this kind of stuff is so blatantly obvious. The agenda is so clear. I will continue to post updates if/when any other white players are invited.
 

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Well hopefully the ones that got snubbed can get an invite to the East West Shrine game, although its not watched as much. The Senior Bowl has always been terrible, but the positive thing is, many of our White stars are still underclassmen like Zach Line, Burkhead, Swope etc. Kuechly is one as well, not sure if he is going pro or going back to school. Usually our guys don't earn a full time role to put up big numbers until their senior season, so we have seen some improvement.
 

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Well hopefully the ones that got snubbed can get an invite to the East West Shrine game, although its not watched as much. The Senior Bowl has always been terrible, but the positive thing is, many of our White stars are still underclassmen like Zach Line, Burkhead, Swope etc. Kuechly is one as well, not sure if he is going pro or going back to school. Usually our guys don't earn a full time role to put up big numbers until their senior season, so we have seen some improvement.

That's true. It's just disheartening to see the guys I listed as not being invited. They invite so many less talented black players - this year looks like it will be another banner year for black sumos on the o-line. Year after year they get drafted highly and they have to have less than a 30% success rate yet they keep on getting drafted.

Derek Wolfe was probably a top 15 d-lineman in the country, same with Brett Roy. An afflete LB from Nevada gets an invite but Roy does not. Logan Harrell has been one of the most disruptive DTs in the country the past few seasons, yet to see an invite. Billy Winn a black DT for Boise St gets an invite yet Shea McEllin who played very well all season and can play 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB gets snubbed. These guys are our best bet to get some depth on the d-line going into next season yet they are being disrespected for one obvious reason.
 

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After the instant success of Ryan Kerrigan and Brooks Reed as DEs converted to OLBs, maybe the fossilized in their thinking herd of White scouts and draft "experts" now regard all White college DEs as OLBs no matter their size and capabilities.
 

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I don't follow college football that much, but I have always been into following the white players once the all-star games start. From then, I track their progress at the Combine/and or pro days.

Here's the rosters for the Senior Bowl: http://www.seniorbowl.com/rosters.asp

As usual, the North seems to have a few more white players of note. Because I don't follow college football much, I don't know most of these guys. Luckly, they provide photo links. I was absolutely shocked that Audie Cole is white. I almost didn't even bother clicking on the name, assuming he was definitely black. But I'm glad I did because he seems like a legit prospect that we can follow and root for going forward.

After that, it's weird how many small school blacks (FCS and D-2) are at the Senior Bowl, while the WR from Boise and other extremely talented FBS white stars where relegated to the East-West game or are sitting at home. Also, while both FB's are white (no doubt just as blockers), it's surprising how many black OL's are from mediocre mid-major schools and below. My guess is these will be the usual busts (drafted, but quickly cut) you'll see going forward, while David Diehl and TJ Lang types will have long careers.
 

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After the instant success of Ryan Kerrigan and Brooks Reed as DEs converted to OLBs, maybe the fossilized in their thinking herd of White scouts and draft "experts" now regard all White college DEs as OLBs no matter their size and capabilities.

I believe Audie Cole, who I just realized existed when I checked out the rosters the other day, fits that mold perfectly. He's listed as a LB at over 6' 4", 258 and he even has the long, blonde hair, which is suddenly in vogue for white LB's -- ala Clay III and Brooks Reed. Bio claims he was an elite boxer and HS quarterback. Surprised I never took note of him from this forum. He might've been mentioned in threads, but....This is the type of guy that could go higher than even the DWF's believe?

http://www.seniorbowl.com/playerinfo.asp?ID=545
 

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I know Deadlift pointed out Audie Cole's weekly tackle totals in the LB section of the College football forums. Another white LB playing for the North is Shawn Louiseau a small school backer who is aggressive as hell and has a nose for the ball. As for Bequette playing OLB I find it crazy, his body type reminds me of Patrick Kearney!
 

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Celtic, Shawn Louiseau is the kid from Merrimack College, right? They have a fantastic hockey program -- tiny school doing big things in the elite Hockey East.

I watched a little bit of the East/West game online and Mike Mayock was speaking glowingly about him. That was the first time I had seen or read about him...It was amazing, there was a black DT from some school in Canada that was recruited by LSU and weighed like 350 pounds that the DWF's are probably salivating over. Mayock mentioned during the game that he thought the sumo wasn't good enough and wouldn't be worth anything more than a 6th or 7th rounder -- said he was a long range project....About two minutes after saying that, he was throwing huge amounts of praise at the kid from Merrimack -- called him the top defender at practices. Based on what he was saying, I thought he would have a chance to go in the top 5 rounds...a Senior Bowl invite could get him into round 3, we can hope?

P.S: Speaking of Mayock, he was also heaping a ton of praise at the WR from Fresno. Said he was "explosive' and "ankle breaker" on punt returns. That's another guy I hope gets a latter week invite to the Senior Bowl, if there's a roster opening.
 

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Celtic, Shawn Loiseau is the kid from Merrimack College, right? They have a fantastic hockey program -- tiny school doing big things in the elite Hockey East.

I watched a little bit of the East/West game online and Mike Mayock was speaking glowingly about him. That was the first time I had seen or read about him...It was amazing, there was a black DT from some school in Canada that was recruited by LSU and weighed like 350 pounds that the DWF's are probably salivating over. Mayock mentioned during the game that he thought the sumo wasn't good enough and wouldn't be worth anything more than a 6th or 7th rounder -- said he was a long range project....About two minutes after saying that, he was throwing huge amounts of praise at the kid from Merrimack -- called him the top defender at practices. Based on what he was saying, I thought he would have a chance to go in the top 5 rounds...a Senior Bowl invite could get him into round 3, we can hope?

P.S: Speaking of Mayock, he was also heaping a ton of praise at the WR from Fresno. Said he was "explosive' and "ankle breaker" on punt returns. That's another guy I hope gets a latter week invite to the Senior Bowl, if there's a roster opening.

Mayock's a fair announcer and there is no denying he has a huge amount of football knowledge. I read an article about him on draftdaddy a while back and mentioned in it was how we was an underdog as an analyst because he wasn't a big name player. So instead of knowledgeable guys like Mike Mayock announcing games we get stuck with babble mouthed idiots like Shannon Sharpe lol.

And ya Akiem Hicks I believe his name was. I'm not buying into the hype there is no way he'll be able to take of his weight and body to have a productive career. Here's a good article about Loiseau, I misspelled his name the first time around.

[h=1]Shawn Loiseau, linebacker star at Division II Merrimack, hopes to make big name at East-West Shrine Game[/h] By Greg Auman, Times Staff Writer
Greg AumanTampa Bay Times In Print: Friday, January 20, 2012

Shawn Loiseau had never flown on a plane or had a per diem before this experience.
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[Merrimack College]


ST. PETERSBURG — For all the big-time colleges with familiar logos gracing the sides of helmets at the East-West Shrine Game on Saturday night, there is also the obscure blue-and-gold "MC" proudly worn by linebacker Shawn Loiseau of Division II Merrimack College.
For small-school obscurity, it's hard to top Loiseau, who has never played before a crowd of more than 3,000 in his life and hadn't flown in a plane until he took one here. Coaches have taken to calling him "Rudy," after the Notre Dame walk-on of movie fame, even though this Rudy is 6 feet 1 and 242 pounds, with 254 tackles in the past two seasons.


"It's incredible. My whole life, I've been told I wasn't good enough to play versus these guys," said Loiseau, who didn't have major-college interest coming out of high school in the Worcester, Mass., suburb of Shrewsbury. "It feels great to be surrounded by great players. I'm watching these guys on TV, and now I get to have them as my teammates. I'd never been on a plane. I'm used to 12-hour bus rides for away games. This whole experience is incredible."


Loiseau was a two-time conference player of the year at Merrimack, with an enrollment just more than 2,000 and located in North Andover, Mass. He helped the Warriors win the Northeast 10 conference in 2009. His college experience is unlike most of the players in St. Petersburg this week, but it was everything he hoped.


"I got told I would play early, win a championship and be surrounded by great guys, and did all three of those things. I couldn't ask for anything more," Loiseau said.

Merrimack never has had a player drafted since launching its program in 1996, but Loiseau is on the NFL radar; there may have been 1,134 fans at his final home game, but there were also 27 NFL scouts, coach John Perry said.

"One of my biggest things is I never want to be outworked," he said. "No matter what it is, whenever I step on a football field, I never want to be outworked by anybody. I come from a small school, so (Saturday) I just want to go out there, fly around and make plays."

If there's anyone who can appreciate the small-school star, it's East linebackers coach Sam Mills III, who starred at Division II Montclair State, just as his late father, Sam, did before a 12-year NFL career.


"This is a big week for Shawn. It reaffirms his thinking that he can play with these guys on this level, and it's good for us as coaches to see him play with guys at this level," said Mills, now an assistant with the Carolina Panthers. "Whenever you get a guy who has that many tackles as he has, you like to bring him here to confirm that there's no transition for him. He's fine."

There are some big transitions for Loiseau this week. His father called with news of 4 inches of snow in Shrewsbury, so Loiseau is the one walking around in a tank top while his Florida teammates are in jackets. And the idea of getting paid to play football — even $150 in walking-around money this week — is a novelty in itself.


"It doesn't even make sense to me. The thing called 'per diem.' They've got this thing, you show up and they're like, 'Shawn, here's your per diem,' " he said. " 'What is that?' They're like, 'This is money.' I said, '

What do you do with it?' They said, 'You can do whatever you want with it.' "

Loiseau gets a huge spotlight Saturday with a chance to show he belongs, not only with the major-college stars but as an NFL prospect. The early impressions in practice this week have been promising.

"You see his attitude and intensity. Humongous," Mills said. "You see his leadership. He can run with guys, he can tackle. He's a big hitter. Once you get lined up, football is football. You see the guys that make plays. Shawn has shown he's a guy who can make plays."
 

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some good news:

Representatives from at least four different teams have called Notre Dame's Harrison Smith the best safety prospect at the Senior Bowl.

One scout predicted Smith would be a second-round pick, and ESPN's Todd McShay said the Notre Dame star looked "absolutely shredded" at nearly 6'2" and 212 pounds. The Boston Globe's Greg Bedard suggested "keeping an eye" on Smith as a prospect of interest to the Patriots.
Related: Patriots

Source: Chicago Tribune
 
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some good news:

Representatives from at least four different teams have called Notre Dame's Harrison Smith the best safety prospect at the Senior Bowl.

One scout predicted Smith would be a second-round pick, and ESPN's Todd McShay said the Notre Dame star looked "absolutely shredded" at nearly 6'2" and 212 pounds. The Boston Globe's Greg Bedard suggested "keeping an eye" on Smith as a prospect of interest to the Patriots.
Related: Patriots

Source: Chicago Tribune

Very favorable piece about Smith! Compared to this breakdown by former white special teams demon and part time NFL safety Matt Bowen.

• Harrison Smith, SS, Notre Dame: I'm not sold that Smith can play the deep middle of the field on a consistent basis, but as SS in the box or coming off the numbers in Cover 2, the Notre Dame product fits well. Didn't give ground in one-on-ones vs. the TEs, used his leverage and showed some solid technique. Immediate special teams contributor that should develop into a starter.


 

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Ive read that Smith ran a 4.38 at a Nike Combine out of high school and I think it was Mayock who said he didn't allow a single completion while covering all year. I agree he shouldn't be playing deep centerfield, he should be playing cornerback. The NFL is lacking in big physical corners.
 

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anybody been watching this? I had it on but just started really watching it, first glance was wilson getting sacked, didnt look like he had any pocket presence when things started breaking down, had more than enough time to get rid of the ball.

Bradie Ewing Wisconsin fb just made a nice 23 yard catch. Mostly a blocker for his career showing great athleticism. He impressed as a receiver out of the backfield during practice leading up to the game.
 
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Ive read that Smith ran a 4.38 at a Nike Combine out of high school and I think it was Mayock who said he didn't allow a single completion while covering all year. I agree he shouldn't be playing deep centerfield, he should be playing cornerback. The NFL is lacking in big physical corners.
Mayock has him listed as the #2 overall Safety pick in this years draft. It'd be nice to see him start for the Pats. With Ninkovich, Fletcher, a part-time Edelman, and Harrison on Defense, along with their Offense, they'd be a very watchable team. If they somehow got Crick, it would be icing-on-the-cake, although he will probably go in the Draft at about the same time/round as Harrison.
 

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Bradie Ewing Wisconsin fb just made a nice 23 yard catch. Mostly a blocker for his career showing great athleticism. He impressed as a receiver out of the backfield during practice leading up to the game.

every year Bradie Ewing was on campus at Wisconsin, head basketball coach Bo Ryan made a pitch to get him to come play for the Badgers on the hardwood after football season was over. word was Ewing was the best basketball player on campus that didn't suit up for the hoop Badgers, and that he was even better than several of the guys on basketball scholarship and who were in the playing rotation.
 

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Ive read that Smith ran a 4.38 at a Nike Combine out of high school and I think it was Mayock who said he didn't allow a single completion while covering all year. I agree he shouldn't be playing deep centerfield, he should be playing cornerback. The NFL is lacking in big physical corners.

With Edelman destined for more CB time next year, I think Smith would be a good pick for the Pats and given a realistic chance of playing, maybe even some at CB down the road.
 

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There were other scout bowls besides the Senior Bowl. The last one is this "Players All Star Classic" taking place this week.
I'm mentioning it because it provides yet another case study in the blatancy of the Caste System. This isn't earth-shattering new information or anything we haven't seen before. Just one more log to throw on the bonfire of evidence.

This season. Two players on the same team. Both tailbacks. Same height. Both seniors. Here are their career stats.

Player A: 381 carries for 1,923 yards (5.05avg) 13TDs // 34 receptions for 303 yards (8.91avg) 2TDs

Player B: 141 carries for 657 yards (4.66avg) 9TDs // 5 receptions for 23 yards (4.60avg) 0TDs

Player B gets invited to a post season All Star game to display his talents for NFL scouts. Player A does not.

Player B is black. Player A is white.
 

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There were other scout bowls besides the Senior Bowl. The last one is this "Players All Star Classic" taking place this week.
I'm mentioning it because it provides yet another case study in the blatancy of the Caste System. This isn't earth-shattering new information or anything we haven't seen before. Just one more log to throw on the bonfire of evidence.

This season. Two players on the same team. Both tailbacks. Same height. Both seniors. Here are their career stats.

Player A: 381 carries for 1,923 yards (5.05avg) 13TDs // 34 receptions for 303 yards (8.91avg) 2TDs

Player B: 141 carries for 657 yards (4.66avg) 9TDs // 5 receptions for 23 yards (4.60avg) 0TDs

Player B gets invited to a post season All Star game to display his talents for NFL scouts. Player A does not.

Player B is black. Player A is white.

ouch.

what two players were these, Riddlewire?
 

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I'm surprised you couldn't guess it. Considering who posted it.

Derek Lawson and Jermaine Robertson.
 

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I'm surprised you couldn't guess it. Considering who posted it.

Derek Lawson and Jermaine Robertson.

i just wanted it down for the record, RW. now everyone can verify for themselves what you've so insightfully posted. :thumb:

Derek Lawson's career, or lack thereof, is a dreadful-yet-vivid snapshot of the overall Caste System ... virtually unrecruited after a record-shattering senior season in high school (in his first-ever year playing tailback! doesn't that equal upside?), doggedly climbing up the depth chart as a freshman before dominating and being named a Freshman All-American, then once again being shoved back to his racially-appropriate position at the bottom of the depth chart for the "real" running backs with the proper amounts of melanin who were signed to give the team "playmakuhs," only to be utilized in a "team-first" role after all the negroes turned out to be worthless/ineligible.

his should have been a household name by now. but as it is, Lawson leaves the very dark fields Arkansas State as a virtual ghost.
 
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