2011 Preseason

[Don Wassall]

WA33, Michael Vick IMO performed as the 3rd best QB in the NFL last year behind Rodgers and Brady and it will be interesting to see if he keeps that level of performance up. I agree with you on McNabb and Freeman being talented, but IMHO Vince Young was a very solid starting QB. You could even make the argument he was slightly above average. He had a great record of 32-17 as a starter, so he is a winner. And his pocket sense and accuracy in his last season as a starter with Tennessee improved. He also adds another dimension with his running ability and ability to extend the play. If Cam Newton ends up like Vince Young, but an emotionally stable version, he'd be a pretty good (although not great) starting QB.

If he's such a "winner" in the rabidly pro-black NFL, how come not a single team was interested in having him become their starter this season?

Young's main accomplishment as far as I'm concerned was to vividly illustrate the league's racial dynamics. You had a Tennessee team that packed it in when Kerry Collins was the starter in 2009, going 0-6, then being almost unbeatable when Young became the starter. It wasn't that Young was an upgrade; it's that the team wasn't going to try unless Collins was benched and Young started. They were a mediocre team that played hard for a black QB but not a White one.

Young is a very poor thrower, and like all black QBs, his feet can only carry him so far when they're young. When black QBs have been in the league a few years they have to become decent pocket passers or fall by the wayside. Vick is just now learning to play in the pocket, but he was freakishly fast enough that he could get away with it until he was 30; Young and the others can't.

 

[Deadlift]

J.J. Watt will be on display in mere hours! :icon_grin:

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

If he's such a "winner" in the rabidly pro-black NFL, how come not a single team was interested in having him become their starter this season?

I think it had to do with teams worrying about his low EQ/ mental stability. Although he was never a brilliant performer, I stand by what I said:

At various points he performed as an average to slightly above average (mostly during his last year starting in Tennessee) starting QB when you look at the whole body of work. I factored in his ability to make plays with his legs. I should have made it more clear about his inconsistency in his first few seasons though. His third season was marred by his mental break down where he only played 3 games.

I also stand by my prediction that if Tebow is given the opportunity to grow as a starter, that he will become better than Newton will be or Vince Young ever was (or will be). Tebow has already shown some signs of improving his touch on throws and is also working at making a third read at times instead of always running. Tebow has an IMPECCABLE work ethic- which is something Young doesn't have- and I doubt Newton has. We shall see.

 

[Deadlift]

Ben Tate, Arian Foster and Steve Slaton are ruled-out for tonight's game!

Should have drafted Toby...

 

[dwid]

Should have drafted Toby...

Yep, he could be a star in their system, their coach was the offensive coordinator for the Broncos during the years when no names were putting up 1k seasons I think Terrell Davis was really talented which is why he put up 2k. Arian Foster has a nice skillset but not elite in any area imo, he has good agility, 4.7 40 speed at his pro day which who knows what that would have been at the combine, 4.8? ) has a nice stiff arm but not a big bruiser and he was breaking off big runs last year.

I think his big year last year was just a flash in the pan, he can be a solid back but I don't think he will be able to consistently have big seasons. He can probably consistently get 1k but not like his league leading season last year. Weak schedule last year + injury history. Steve Slaton was supposed to be the next big thing and fell off. Imagine Toby behind that same zbs with a bunch of great run blocking tight ends that are also threats in the passing game (Daniels, Dreesen and Casey) not to mention one of the best wide receivers in Andre Johnson and most underrated number 2 receivers in Kevin Walter (also excellent run blocker).

Instead they made the stupid decision of getting Ben Tate, who played in a gimmick scheme, all of his yards were basically on pitches to the outside, not much experience in a regular scheme in finding the hole on the inside where Toby ran a similar blocking scheme.

 

[Deadlift]

This Garrett McIntyre is a BEAST! Here's an old CF thread on him.. http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...rett-McIntyre-Fresno-State&highlight=mcintyre

 

[Deadlift]

I enjoyed watching Greg McElroy. He played well behing that terrible o-line!

It looks like Houston has a player that we overlooked(?)... from West Texas A&M, Bryan Braman: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14524/bryan-braman

 

[dwid]

Patriots up 14-0 on the Bucs. Woodhead has carries for 37 yards with a long of 29. Grimm is leading the Bucs in tackles. Blount has 2 rushes for -2, just had another negative rush but the Bucs were offsides and the Pats accepted that. 5 penalties on the Bucs still in the first quarter.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Woodhead just broke another nice run for 14 yards and already has 51 on the day!!!

 

[dwid]

another nice gain, 12 yards, ended up with 5 carries for 63 yards against the Bucs 1st stringers. He had a 9 or 10 yard reception on a screen but called back because Gronkowski was downfield blocking before the pass.

Corey Lynch looks good. He stopped the Patriots 1st string on the last drive.

 

[Riddlewire]

I'm confused.
The game is halfway through the second quarter and Michael Vick doesn't yet have five touchdowns. What gives? I was assured by the media that this year's Philadelphia Eagles were a "Dream Team" that could not be stopped by anything short of an act of God. Obviously the racist NFL has fixed this game against the saintly Vick and his brothahood of superheroes.

 

[Deadlift]

True dat! Somebody must have drugged Godman Vick - PBUH..

 

[Whitepower]

Yes I was thinking the same thing how could the annointed dog killer fail is he not the revolutuionary new age black quarterback of this here futah. I mean come on man aint he supposed to changed the way the game be played for the afflectic black quarterback to finally make it in the pro's. Guess not I told everyone dog killer would come back down to earth once defenses figure what he likes to do they will simply stop him from running and force him to pass. Wow why can't teams do this to Brady, and Manning because they are complete QB's not affroletes playing the position. Look for the Bleagles to come back down to earth rather harshly this year, and for their fat ass coach to be unemployed finally. What will the NFL network do if the Bleagles suck this year I know blame whitey as in their coach for handcuffing the annointed one. It has to be the honkey's fault I mean come on Michael vick is the bestest in the league aint he?

 

[white lightning]

All I have to say is Michael Vick throws 3 interceptions. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Riddlewire]

And Kafka looks great.

 

[Whitepower]

Kafka aint he German that explains it this be a conspiracy to keep Mike Vick down. Damn it must be working cause he SUCKED tonight not much more you can say about his performance.

 

[Whitepower]

I wonder what the caste whores at BNFL network are going to say about the Bleagles performance especially Vick. I bet they don't even mention it cause he can't play bad. How can the best player in the league by far play bad? This does not add up to them, and their ass kissing talking heads who worship his killerness. Well I knew this would happen, and I can't wait for them to stink it up this year. It is a damn shame when Kafka who wont even sniff the field this year is by far their best QB what in the hell happened to the best players will play regardless of race creed or color? Someone forgot to tell the BNFL that, and their dumb ass negroe loving coaches who keep drinking the koolaid of the myth that blacks are better athletes. They clearly are not, and too me they are getting worse as times goes by.

 

[Don Wassall]

Great Black Hope Josh Freeman had a poor game, too. The Patriots first team offense started 9 Whites and moved the ball at will. The defense had 2 White starters, matching Houston last week with a half White starting team.

 

[whiteathlete33]

All I have to say is Michael Vick throws 3 interceptions. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whitelightning, let's hope his poor play continues.

 

[Whitepower]

Clearly their is going to be great regression with the blacks
at the black quarterback position. Now maybe the owners will see
how stupid they have been to buy into this black superiority b. s.
The Jaguars are clearly ready too start Gabbert over
Garrard, and maybe other teams will follow this trend.

 

[ALBINO RHINO]

Clearly their is going to be great regression with the blacks
at the black quarterback position. Now maybe the owners will see
how stupid they have been to buy into this black superiority b. s.
The Jaguars are clearly ready too start Gabbert over
Garrard, and maybe other teams will follow this trend.

Vick will stay, period. They are in to deep with him. But, Tjac and Garrard have a bullseye on them.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Vick will stay, period. They are in to deep with him. But, Tjac and Garrard have a bullseye on them.

I imagine it would take a whole lot for Fat Bastard to demote Convick. Kafka clearly outplayed Convick yesterday and even had more rushing yards than him. It would be awesome if Convick struggled through a whole bunch of games and by some miracle Kafka became the starting qb. That's unlikely though because even if he's demoted All He Do is Win Young would start.

 

[TimDwight28]

I hate to root against the Eagles but they do have Chad Hall and Riley Cooper on their team. I think Cooper could be a # 1 reciever on any team in the league. I once saw Hall for Air Force catch a screeen pass to the right side against TCU and he juked left and faked out a black linebacker then hopped on one foot and juked right and made a black safety miss. I dont think the guy has that speed like Air Force's Johnathan Waraeka has but damn he was shifty and elusive. I wish the Eagles would use him in the 3rd down back role but its not going to happen.

 

[Mighty Joe2]

I think last year was a career year for Vick.He wasnt even supposed to be the starter heading into preseason last year but he overcome the odds,become the starter and played beyond anyones expectations.I dont see him repeating that level this year.Its only preseason but Kafka looks like a starting calibre QB.It would be great if he noticebly outplays Vick throughout the season.Despite the onslaught of Black QBs the position is still a White stronghold and probably the strongests its been in a few years in terms of the number of potential young stars.If Gabbert starts then there will be six starting Black QBs including Tavaris who's so bad he may not get the opportunity to start and Mcnabb who could be on his last legs.

Its disappointing to see Casey Mathews being thrown under the bus for a supposedly disappointing rookie preseason performance.This is probably enough to now designate him a career backup.He's intelligent enough to learn from it and improve if he's given the opportunity.

 

[ALBINO RHINO]

I think last year was a career year for Vick.He wasnt even supposed to be the starter heading into preseason last year but he overcome the odds,become the starter and played beyond anyones expectations.I dont see him repeating that level this year.Its only preseason but Kafka looks like a starting calibre QB.It would be great if he noticebly outplays Vick throughout the season.Despite the onslaught of Black QBs the position is still a White stronghold and probably the strongests its been in a few years in terms of the number of potential young stars.If Gabbert starts then there will be six starting Black QBs including Tavaris who's so bad he may not get the opportunity to start and Mcnabb who could be on his lat legs.

The same for the bucs and Freeman, a lot of things went right for them last year including a paper schedule. No way they are winning 10 games this year.