2011 NFL Draft

[Jimmy Chitwood]

there are some really good posts in this thread post-draft. there are also sooooo many White players who went undrafted that are either more physically-gifted than the black draft picks, more productive than the black draft picks, or both more physically-gifted AND more productive than the black draft picks. if the mantras "the best players play" and "winning is all that matters" were true, one must "wonder" how none of this seems to matter to the "talent" "scouts" who "evaluate" the "potential" as collegiate players are projected for the next level.

"somehow" a black player from a power conference with marginal physical tools but solid production is often considered a legitimate prospect for the next level. similarly, a black player with impressive measurables but virtually no on-field production is considered to be brimming with upside and is a virtual lock to be drafted ... even if said prospect has numerous "off-field issues" or played at a small college.(the yearly Raider draft debacle comes to mindwith the latter scenario.) a black player with both ideal physical tools AND on-field dominance is an instant millionaire.

conversely, White players (even those who fit the third category) are often completely ignored, especially if they play in a "black" position. the anecdotal evidencefrom the cases ofboth Dane Sanzenbacher and Jeff Maehl in this year's Draft is simply the most recent of myriad examples one could provide with but cursory research. when high profile, BCS conference record-setters are ignored thanks to the Caste System, what does it say about the chances for small-school guys who dominate AND put up monster measurables?

in the last couple of years, we have begun to see cracks in the Caste System. however, the system will not succumb without a struggle. the 2011 NFL Draft provides poignant illustration of how much work is left to be done.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I count 56 whites drafted out of 254 picks. That's only 22 %. Last years draft I count 57 whites. Better yet, I count 48 whites drafted in 2009.
Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[Don Wassall]

I see the caste system as more than a conspiracy. The big lie, at the heart of the caste system, is very deeply engrained into the psyche of many people and no longer needs the planning or organization of an actual conspiracy to cause the same general effect. To me, that is much more difficult to deal with than a conspiracy. When I think of conspiracy, I think of a fairly small number of people who are trying to get everyone else to think something else is going on. I think we are way past that point, as the U.S. is full of DWFs that have bought into caste ideology. Now, they help maintain the big lie by their thoughts and actions. Those who taught them the myth don't have to work as hard now, and our biggest job is trying to convince people that the big lie is just that, a big lie. When you have millions and millions of ignorant people who believe in the big lie, you don't need as much help maintaining the myth.

Great post, Col. Reb. The United States is run and maintained by a series of lies. Every public figure knows what they are, and they also know that if they violate the rules by something they say or do, both in public and now increasingly even in private, they will be punished, whether it's some kind of national humiliation accompanied by a suspension or being fired, followed by a "heartfelt" confession of the sin committed by the heretic, or some other way of letting Americans know,once again through these ritual spectacles, what is permissible and what isn't in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

There need be no "order" going out from NFL headquarters dictating to teamswhich players they must or can't draft. They all understand how the Caste System works; it goes along with the territory. And the NFL, being the country's secular religion, is an important part of the bigger picture, which is why it is so intrinsically melded into other institutions now -- I didn't see Day 3 of the draft, but the first two days of it were both interrupted to "salute" the country's military -- wtf does that have to do with a sports league's player selection process? The NFL is an unchallengeable monopoly that right now "is too big to fail" in a country where even the WNBA isn't allowed to fail.

It will take continued dedication and understanding on our part of the nature of the system and how entrenched it is, along with appreciation that we have indeed made a difference and have helped to expose the Caste System to a lot of people andthere are nowsome visible chips and fault lines on what for a long time was a seamlessBig Lie.

The Caste System is doubly difficult to expose because most people believe it is impossible for there to be affirmative action in sports, much less on the extreme scale that takes place. The constant worst case scenario whining by a few is indeed off-putting, especially when it's accompanied by claims of explicit orders being issued from mysterious commissars to team officials, moving the real explanation for what and why the NFL is about into a buffoonish realm guaranteed to convince no one and turn away many others.

 

[Woody]

Colonel Reb, you nailed it.

 

[Carolina Speed]

Exactly Colonel Reb, it's nothing but a big lie and instead of just pointing out the obvious, nothing wrong with that, but we need to do more as you said, " our biggest job is to covince people". We should tell everyone, especially the whitekids out here who have bought intothe big lie. They're not as fast, or they're not as athletic, we know different.

We all know the truth, but are we willing to do something about it?

My hope is more kids will see what P. Hillis, W. Welker, D. Woodhead(football) has done. What Hannah Cunliffe(15 year old track star) is doing. It takes the realization that they can do it, but it also takes the drive, dedication, the work, and the want to. It isn't going to come from kids playing X-Box orabsentee parents in the lives of children.

 

[The Hock]

Our local paper says Maehl couldn't be reached for comment about not being drafted, so I don't know how he's taking it. I know I'm sick about it. I followed all three days, and kept waiting to find out who drafted him. Nothing. Most of the sources I checked had him as mid-round worthy, especially after he blew up the quickness drills at the combine.

What happened to him is just no good. What's happening to the NFL, and this whole country for that matter, is just no good.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Here are the teams that didn't even draft one white player, Steelers, Ravens, Dolphins, Broncos, and the Lions. What great diversity!

 

[DixieDestroyer]

I woke up this morning (and tuned into some ESPN) and Kiper and McGay each named the one team they thought had the weakest draft.

Kiper named the Seattle Blackhawks: He called Carpenter a reach, called KJ Wright only "decent".. and, of course, he also criticized the Kris Durham selection. But, yes, their afroletic draft looked WEAK.


McGay named the Oakland Raiders: He had to call Wisniewski an "overachiever".. but Oakland did have a VERY weak-looking draft with all the afflete scrubs taken.

(So, they didn't name Tennessee, Minnesota or Houston as weak!)

P1ss on these 2 jock sniffin' caste lackeys. No pick in the draft should be "questioned" more than sCam Newton at #1. Durham has almost just as good hands as AJ Green (taller & ran a better 40 y/d I believe). Mel "jockstrap sniper" needs to shut his pro-caste yapper!

 

[whiteathlete33]

In the end we all know the honest truth. Most of the black receivers picked in this draft will end up being busts or merely average. A few might be really good. If Maehl and Sanzenbacher are given opportunities like Amendola they will be very solid receivers.

 

[bigunreal]

I agree that there need not be secret meetings and clandestine orders at this point, because the thinking is so entrenched that almost everyone (coaches, g.m.s, journalists, fans) will simply respond as wanted after years of conditioning. However....

That doesn't explain how they all unconscionously determined that those particular two white WRs were the ones to ignore. Or that Herzlich wasn't worthy of being drafted. Not one of 32 teams could think of going for these guys? Kind of like how they all ignored the Doak Walker winner-Luke Staley-years ago, or the Biletnikoff winner-Mike Hass- more recently. How can we explain that kind of coordinated effort without some kind of conspiracy?

 

[Highlander]

Here are the teams that didn't even draft one white player, Steelers, Ravens, Dolphins, Broncos, and the Lions. What great diversity!

The Broncos drafted Mike Mohamed, giving them a whopping one White player this year.

Edited by: Highlander

 

[Don Wassall]

I agree that there need not be secret meetings and clandestine orders at this point, because the thinking is so entrenched that almost everyone (coaches, g.m.s, journalists, fans) will simply respond as wanted after years of conditioning. However....

That doesn't explain how they all unconscionously determined that those particular two white WRs were the ones to ignore. Or that Herzlich wasn't worthy of being drafted. Not one of 32 teams could think of going for these guys? Kind of like how they all ignored the Doak Walker winner-Luke Staley-years ago, or the Biletnikoff winner-Mike Hass- more recently. How can we explain that kind of coordinated effort without some kind of conspiracy?

The question posed in your second paragraph is answered in your first paragraph.

Hass and Staley were both drafted late. Every year there are White receivers who should be drafted who aren't, and every year there are White players at all positions who are drafted later than they should or aren't drafted at all. And many of the ones who are drafted never get a fair opportunity.

There's nothing new that came out of this year's NFL Draft, just more of the same old same old. The solution, as has been mentioned so many times here, is going to have to be bottom-up, enough understanding -- and outrage -- among DWFs andWhite athletes and their families to put some real pressure on the system. The system will never change itself without that kind of pressure, nor will some White athlete or two committing professional suicide by speaking out about it. We have to keep educating those with eyes to see and ears to hear, and we will.

 

[white is right]

It's better for Maehl to be a free agent than a 7th or even a 6th rounder as he can choose a team where he has a fighting chance to make the roster. Really 6th and 7th rounders are training camp fodder that have the inside track to make the practice squad for the team that drafted them. Still I don't understand why Maehl wasn't chose around the 4th or 5th round. The only big name Black snub I can think of was Noel Devine who is undersized but like Maehl was highly productive. Edited by: white is right

 

[Highlander]

It seems to me that White families have started realizing the situation already and are steering their sons into lacrosse instead of football where they'll actually get a fair chance to play another aggressive sport without the CM shackles that exist in football.

I don't remember seeing a lot of lacrosse being played 10 years ago, but over the past few years, I'm seeing a lot more of it. These kids have a lot of energy and testosterone and need to burn it off somehow. Now that the CM institutions are closing the doors of opportunity for these exemplary White athletes they need another outlet in the form of another, yet-to-be-corrupted organized sport, to showcase their talents, and lacrosse appears to be that outlet.

 

[Carolina Speed]

Right again Don, another post that addresses not just the problem, but how to confront it. "From the bottom up". Again,I will be one here to do what I can from the bottom up. I hope others on this forum are doing the same.

What do you think would happen Don, if by chance all white athletes, say in The NFL, would come together and speak out about the subject? Would it be suicide for all? Could The NFL fire all white players for speaking out?

I couldn't help but think that if I were in P. Hillis' shoes, that instead of playing the "aw shucks" attitude he has about his race, say there's more of us out there. You need to give some more of us a chance to show you what we can do. The NFL would have alot less criminal issues if that were to happen.

 

[Carolina Speed]

Highlander, while I respect your opinion I hope that running from a sport so to speak, to get a fair shake in another, is not the answer.( to me.) This is why there are so few white kids intrack and field. They have bought into the lie that they are not as fast as black kids. All the white kids run to baseball, which is a great sport, but thereare alot baseball players that would be impressive on the track. I have witnessed this first hand!Lets stop playing football becauseit's not fair! We can't teach kids to quit and go to the next sport. They need to get in their and compete and compete hard!

Sorry guys, for kind of getting off the main subject of this thread.

 

[Don Wassall]

Right again Don, another post that addresses not just the problem, but how to confront it. "From the bottom up". Again,I will be one here to do what I can from the bottom up. I hope others on this forum are doing the same.

What do you think would happen Don, if by chance all white athletes, say in The NFL, would come together and speak out about the subject? Would it be suicide for all? Could The NFL fire all white players for speaking out?

I couldn't help but think that if I were in P. Hillis' shoes, that instead of playing the "aw shucks" attitude he has about his race, say there's more of us out there. You need to give some more of us a chance to show you what we can do. The NFL would have alot less criminal issues if that were to happen.

There's a couple of factors to consider. We don't know if Hillis has any real racial consciousness, and we don't know if White NFL players talk to each other about the situation. My guess, given how Whites in society at large lack any kind of racial unity with many openly extremely hostile to even the concept, is that they don't. These are jocks, the few who made it through the various hurdles of the Caste System to find success, not deep thinkers.

Hillis is popular to the point that he won the Madden voting. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain by saying anything more than he already has, namely that when he plays he is subjected to racial taunts. For him to overcome the barrier of a quarter century with no White RBs running for a thousand yards was an achievement that took a tremendous amount of toughness, as much psychological toughness as physical ability. I'm not sure Toby Gerhart was psychologically able to dowhat Hillis did. He wasintimidated in training camp by his own black teammates. He came from too much of a White suburban background to have beenthe taboo buster we needed.Now maybe because of Hillis, Gerhart will run harder and with less guilt and also be very successful. If Hillis said anything beyond what he has he would be destroyed by the media, which never allows anything approaching afair hearing on racial issues from anything but the PC line. He would be the object of national scorn and hate if he went "beyond the line." The best thing he can do is keep kicking ass when he gets opportunities.

I don't think there is one chance in a billion that the league's White players would unite and speak out as a bloc at the present time,not until the atmosphere to allow it is sufficiently changed by bottom-up pressure and there's a long way to go in that department. Bottom up, bottom up, bottom up, no shortcuts.

 

[Highlander]

Highlander, while I respect your opinion I hope that running from a sport so to speak, to get a fair shake in another, is not the answer.( to me.) This is why there are so few white kids intrack and field. They have bought into the lie that they are not as fast as black kids. All the white kids run to baseball, which is a great sport, but thereare alot baseball players that would be impressive on the track. I have witnessed this first hand!Lets stop playing football becauseit's not fair! We can't teach kids to quit and go to the next sport. They need to get in their and compete and compete hard!
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<div>Sorry guys, for kind of getting off the main subject of this thread.</div>

It's just an observation on my part, not my opinion that they should be going this route. I'm just trying to rationalize why they are going this route and it is my belief that it is their belief that they won't get a fair shake at playing football no matter how good they are. The majority of the best high school running backs in this country are White, yet how many are playing in D1 or even in the lesser divisions? Very few. That has to be exasperating for them, so they turn to an alternative sport because they have to, not because they want to. There are things that are beyond our control. As Don mentioned recently, you (if you're White, and, especially male) have to be careful what you say anymore...even in private. For many people, it's too much of a risk to speak out about this privately, let-alone publicly. The only way I see it stopping is for White people to a.) realize it is happening, and b.) stop supporting it with their dollars by not going to games, not buying any of the paraphernalia, etc.

 

[Don Wassall]

To illustrate what we're up against, just received the email below. He speaks the truth, but the light at the end of the tunnel is that more Whites are catching on. It's still a small number, but Whites in the U.S. right now are a brainwashed and psychologically defeated group of people. Whether that can be turned around is yet to be seen, but better to try to salvage our people and countries rather than capitulate.

This is the email, author's name protected of course. He isn't a pro athlete.

I just found your website and would like to say you are awesome, i've been saying this stuff forever and am constantly pissed off by fellow white athletes who have been ingrained with the idea that they are inferior because they're not black. Keep up the good work.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Good points all about the work we have to do. Just like improving other areas of our society, its going to take us talking to folks one at a time and working from the ground up. We can't sit around expecting some big event to happen that will change everything overnight or one leader to come in and solve all our problems for us. It ain't gonna happen! We are going to have to be the ones to do the grunt work.

 

[referendum]

FWIW, Yahoo sports had the lists of pro football weekly's scouting report on the players eligible for the draft. Using that criteria, which of course is already top-heavy with overrated future underachievers from the SEC and ACC, I found that white players did no worse, or no better, than could be expected from such criteria.
Basically, what I did is as follows. For each position, I counted up the total number of players drafted at that position. Say it was 5 centers, then I would count up how many whites were in the top five. That number would be the expected drafted number.
The results were as follows. For QB, no difference than expected, for Fullback, one less, as Huyroski wasn't drafted. For runningback, no whites of course anywhere near draft position. For wide receiver, one extra white was actually drafted. 27 total WR's were drafted, and Durham and Mcknight were actually rated slightly below 27th best (30 and 32). Whalen was ranked 26 th and was drafted. The big snub of course was Sanzenbacker at 22. Maehl was ranked in the 40's I believe, which is ridiculous.
For tight end, whites were minus one, as I believe the Dolphins reached for some black tight end from Miami way down in the rankings instead of the highest remaining who was the white tight end from North Carolina. Offensive tackle was perfect, with whites drafted as expected. Guard actually saw two extra whites getting drafted, with four white guards drafted unexpectedly, but two getting snubbed. Center only had five total drafted with one white snubbed, so one less white than expected.
On defensive end, whites were down one, as Ryan Winterswyk was snubbed with several lower ranking blacks drafted instead. On Defensive tackle it was a wash, with Bair getting snubbed but Neild getting drafted to make up for it. Outside linebacker of course had Herzlich getting snubbed, as well as Lutrus, but two other white linebackers, the guy from Missouri, and one more, getting drafted, so also a wash on total whites drafted. Inside linebacker was a net loss of one white, with Nick Bellore not getting drafted. Cornerback, didn't even check, no reason too. Strong safety had one extra white drafted, Colin Jones, and Free Safety did as well with Chris Prosinski, who along with Neild and the Missouri linebacker, as well as the white guards taken in the late rounds were some of the biggest surprises. Adding everything up, whites went about as expected. Of course, this is a caste-thinking publication, so I should say whites went about as expected by establishment thinking standards.

 

[sport historian]

Right again Don, another post that addresses not just the problem, but how to confront it. "From the bottom up".  Again, I will be one here to do what I can from the bottom up. I hope others on this forum are doing the same.
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<div>What do you think would happen Don, if by chance all white athletes, say in The NFL, would come together and speak out about the subject?  Would it be suicide for all? Could The NFL fire all white players for speaking out?</div>
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<div>I couldn't help but think that if I were in P. Hillis' shoes, that instead of playing the "aw shucks" attitude he has about his race, say there's more of us out there. You need to give some more of us a chance to show you what we can do. The NFL would have alot less criminal issues if that were to happen.</div>

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<div>There's a couple of factors to consider.  We don't know if Hillis has any real racial consciousness, and we don't know if White NFL players talk to each other about the situation.  My guess, given how Whites in society at large lack any kind of racial unity with many openly extremely hostile to even the concept, is that they don't.  These are jocks, the few who made it through the various hurdles of the Caste System to find success, not deep thinkers.</div>
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<div>Hillis is popular to the point that he won the Madden voting.  He has everything to lose and nothing to gain by saying anything more than he already has, namely that when he plays he is subjected to racial taunts.  For him to overcome the barrier of a quarter century with no White RBs running for a thousand yards was an achievement that took a tremendous amount of toughness, as much psychological toughness as physical ability.  I'm not sure Toby Gerhart was psychologically able to do what Hillis did.  He was intimidated in training camp by his own black teammates.  He came from too much of a White suburban background to have been the taboo buster we needed. Now maybe because of Hillis, Gerhart will run harder and with less guilt and also be very successful.  If Hillis said anything beyond what he has he would be destroyed by the media, which never allows anything approaching a fair hearing on racial issues from anything but the PC line.  He would be the object of national scorn and hate if he went "beyond the line."  The best thing he can do is keep kicking ass when he gets opportunities.  </div>
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<div>I don't think there is one chance in a billion that the league's White players would unite and speak out as a bloc at the present time, not until the atmosphere to allow it is sufficiently changed by bottom-up pressure and there's a long way to go in that department.  Bottom up, bottom up, bottom up, no shortcuts.  </div>

Don,
As usual, you sum it up better than anyone. I would add that what Gerhart ran into at his first NFL training camp, Hillis would have faced during his time at Arkansas. Namely, attempts at intimidation on his own team, not counting during games.

Playing at Stanford as a white RB would have been a LOT different that at an SEC school. Furthermore, Stanford has a lot of white suburban athletes on the team. Gerhart in college was around fellows just like him. It is not that way on the Vikings.

 

[Jack Lambert]

Well, I read today that the 49ers envision Colin Jones as a WSTD, and they drafted Bruce Miller to convert him to fullback.

Harbaugh looks to be wanting to prove himself to the PTB now that he's in the NFL and with the program.


Here's the blurb about Jones:

The 49ers drafted sixth-round S Colin Jones with the idea that he'd be a special teams standout.
"There's a guy that I cannot wait to watch run down on a kickoff, full throttle, running his 4.3," coach Jim Harbaugh said. The 49ers now have seven safeties on the roster, so Jones will have to open some eyes in camp to stick.

Edited by: Jack Lambert

 

[foobar75]

It's not too far of a reach to suggest that what happens at the NFL training camps, as early as the first day, is very similar to happens in a prison. In prison, you have to stand up for yourself right away, or you'll become someone's b*tch. In the NFL, you have to do the same and earn some respect immediately and show that you're not going to be pushed around. Your locker room credibility is extremely important and needs to be established at the earliest possible time.

I think white players who play in the SEC or elsewhere in the South/East are better prepared to handle the NFL dynamics than those who play on the West Coast or other conferences with majority white rosters.

Riley Cooper kicked Ellis Hobbs' ass in a fight the first day of training camp last year, and the tone was set. Jeremy Shockey kicked some black LBs ass during a team meal on his very first training camp day, and the rest is history. Players like Tebow and Hillis clearly fit the bill as having that mental toughness that's a must to survive in the NFL.

I think we all followed Gerhart's early struggles in camp, and if I recall correctly, at one point, even Childress commented that he (Gerhart) needed to fight back and make a stand, and apparently he did that during the final days of camp when one of the black DLs (Edwards?) took a cheap shot at him. Hopefully, Gerhart is now prepared mentally going forward.

Of course, there are exceptions. If you're a beast like Clay Matthews, Brian Cushing, or Brian Urlacher, it really doesn't matter where you play or where you come from.

 

[celticdb15]

Well, I read today that the 49ers envision Colin Jones as a WSTD, and they drafted Bruce Miller to convert him to fullback.

Harbaugh looks to be wanting to prove himself to the PTB now that he's in the NFL and with the program.


Here's the blurb about Jones:

The 49ers drafted sixth-round S Colin Jones with the idea that he'd be a special teams standout.
"There's a guy that I cannot wait to watch run down on a kickoff, full throttle, running his 4.3," coach Jim Harbaugh said. The 49ers now have seven safeties on the roster, so Jones will have to open some eyes in camp to stick.

Well sh*t he'll have to play his ass off on special teams to even make the roster if they alreadyhave6 othersafeties. Former Badger Chris Maragos is another white safety that the Niners have. Who knows what will happen, some guys bounce around the league but finally get the opportunity and when they do they capitalize on it. You never can tell..

To me Bruce Miller seems to be a defensive asset and I think he has the ability to rush the passer, but one positive is that Harbaugh did use FB Owen Marecic alot at Stanford.