2011 NFL Draft

[Jack Lambert]

Sash will probably be a WSTD. Jerry Reese will make sure of that. Chase Blackburn and David Tollefson probably lobbied management to draft him so they have someone new to talk to and hang out with.

Conte I think could play for the Bears straight away at SS, especially with Danieal Manning and Josh Bullocks holding down the position.

Another UDFA that got a shot straight away last year was Frank Zombo.Edited by: Jack Lambert

 

[bigunreal]

The gloom and doom, unfortunately, is warranted. Yes, other white WRs, even free agents, may play down the road. The point is, the Caste system will control the number of them down to a science. Just as they control the rosters, hence the refusal of any team to get to even 50% white. Green Bay won the Super Bowl, but they will now become blacker, because they were getting dangerously close to that 50-50 split.

The success of Welker, the apparent emergence of Nelson, Austin Collie's brilliance when healthy, Amendola's unexpected playing time, even Shipley's underrated rookie numbers all work against more white WRs. This is contrary to logic, but that's how it will play out. Of course, there are enough white WRs to go around already, but the league will never let that happen. There is a strict quota on the number of white WRs allowed to start, be "slot" players, and even on rosters. Just as the numbers never change in terms of white players drafted, or their percentage on all rosters, this is simply part of the affirmative action/Rooney rule for players.

Believe me, I would really love to be optimistic.

 

[Jack Lambert]

One thing that irked me was EVERY SINGLE TEAM pass on Boston College LB Mark Herzlich. The guy fought cancer for a year, came back to BC, started, and played well for the Eagles. He should be giving the NFL the finger right now. What's worse multiple crappy black OLB from FCS(!) schools were drafted in the later rounds. Please, look me straight in the face and tell me some scrub from Stephen F. Austin or Central Arkansas is better than Mark Herzlich, who had strong years at a BCS Conference school in Boston College.

No one drafted Herzlich because the TPTB didn't want the fans to gravitate towards another white underdog/success story, like Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Tim Tebow, Peyton Hillis, Toby Gerhart, or like Jimmer Freddette and Matt Howard in Hoops, to name a few.Edited by: Jack Lambert

 

[dwid]

well did you expect the caste system to go away in one draft? its the same sh*t, only minor strides. The main one being fans awareness of what is going on. Its upsetting but of course our guys are going to get screwed over, if they allowed every white that deserved to start, actually play in the league, then the league would be like 80 percent white. We aren't at that point right now and is the reason for this site's existence. There is no reason to have a total negative viewpoint
I am going to try to stay positive, I knew our guys would get screwed before hand. So there is no point in thinking all hope is lost once that does happen.

The postives are: we have tons of slot receivers, we already changed peoples views that whites can play the slot. We don't have any outside receivers except Kevin Walter who is #2 and doesn't get enough targets to break 1k. Durham was drafted, and out of all the white receivers drafted he he has the most potential to be a number 1 somewhere. Good to have him in the league along with Cooper, Decker and Nelson to defy the "slot receiver" stereotype.

Chris Prosinski, better than Sash imo. THE top safety in this class, and I am not just talking about white ones. He looks better than Weddle, he has the speed and is great in run support. Like Weddle he could play corner if he wanted to with 4.3 speed and fluid hips. The Jags got a steal, hopefully they will use him right away.

So if they only had to pick 1 wr and 1 safety, im glad it was those guys.

I am willing to sacrifice a few receivers in order to get some pass rushers, because of most teams stocking up on sumos, our guys will make them look stupid and expose them. Usually they can get by because they are going against other black scrubs.

The good thing is that the black talent pool seems to be shrinking and there isn't they can do to fix that. They can bring in samoans but there are only so many and they usually are slow. They can either start talented players or keep putting scrubs out there. Looks like they want to keep putting scrubs out there, the best thing to do is get fans to wake up to what is going on, which is already happening.

As far as only 10 percent of 5th through 7th rounders making it after 5 years, I am willing to bet the majority of the 10 percent is White. Teams don't hesitate to waste picks on black "projects" when there are capable starters still out there.

Edited by: dwid

 

[dwid]

One thing that irked me was EVERY SINGLE TEAM pass on Boston College LB Mark Herzlich. The guy fought cancer for a year, came back to BC, started, and played well for the Eagles. He should be giving the NFL the finger right now. What's worse multiple crappy black OLB from FCS(!) schools were drafted in the later rounds. Please, look me straight in the face and tell me some scrub from Stephen F. Austin or Central Arkansas is better than Mark Herzlich, who had strong years at a BCS Conference school in Boston College.

No one drafted Herzlich because the TPTB didn't want the fans to gravitate towards another white underdog/success story, like Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Tim Tebow, Peyton Hillis, Toby Gerhart, or like Jimmer Freddette and Matt Howard in Hoops, to name a few.

yes that was probably the most disappointing thing of the draft. The guy was going to be a 1st round pick before the cancer, which is rare for a white linebacker. He got better as the season went on, now he didn't play like his pre cancer form, but he was constantly getting closer to that level and was still playing good enough to be drafted in at least the 3rd round. Teams supposedly draft on upside. The upside is that he will reach his former level of play and a feel good story is bonus, so I think you are right about them not wanting another feel good story. "White guys beats cancer to become pro bowl linebacker". Edited by: dwid

 

[Don Wassall]

One thing that irked me was EVERY SINGLE TEAM pass on Boston College LB Mark Herzlich. The guy fought cancer for a year, came back to BC, started, and played well for the Eagles. He should be giving the NFL the finger right now. What's worse multiple crappy black OLB from FCS(!) schools were drafted in the later rounds. Please, look me straight in the face and tell me some scrub from Stephen F. Austin or Central Arkansas is better than Mark Herzlich, who had strong years at a BCS Conference school in Boston College.

No one drafted Herzlich because the TPTB didn't want the fans to gravitate towards another white underdog/success story, like Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Tim Tebow, Peyton Hillis, Toby Gerhart, or like Jimmer Freddette and Matt Howard in Hoops, to name a few.

yes that was probably the most disappointing thing of the draft. The guy was going to be a 1st round pick before the cancer, which is rare for a white linebacker. He got better as the season went on, now he didn't play like his pre cancer form, but he was constantly getting closer to that level and was still playing good enough to be drafted in at least the 3rd round. Teams supposedly draft on upside. The upside is that he will reach his former level of play and a feel good story is bonus, so I think you are right about them not wanting another feel good story. "White guys beats cancer to become pro bowl linebacker".

But the NFL just loves feel-good would-be"redemption" stories like that of Maurice Clarrett, who was drafted in the third round by the Broncos despite doing prison time and putting up a sparkling 40 time of something like 4.84.

It's sickening stuff, but dwid has it in the right perspective. This happens every single year. Every single year we get our hopes up a bit, even though deep down we know it's gonna happen the way it does every year, but there's no question that DWF awareness is growing, as is that of the White athletes themselves. This is a marathon we're in, the kind of race that suits White men very well anyway.

 

[foobar75]

I really hope the NFL bubble (and the NBA as well) bursts as soon as possible. That's what these two leagues (and MLB to a certain extent) have become. When you look at the astronomical salaries being paid to so many undeserving players, the soaring ticket prices, and the overall experience of attending a game for a normal family (tickets, parking, food, etc), the great majority of fans have been priced out. This is very evident when you look at empty baseball stadiums and NBA arenas, and select NFL cities such as Jacksonville and Detroit, but the NFL overall has been holding strong.

All bubbles (tech, real estate, commodities) eventually come to a crashing halt, and the American pro sports landscape is no exception.We need something dramatic like that to correct this ridiculous imbalance where 13% of the population represent over 70% of the players in the NFL and nearly 80% in the NBA. The increased awareness of DWFs and White players themselves is an important factor in turning the tide, but the impending collapse of the American economy just might do the trick.

I totally buy the notion that there's a quota system and all teams stick to it, whether it's the draft, the rosters, or practice squads. The orders must come from the CM masters, and no team is going to challenge those rules to rock the boat. The numbers and percentages are holding steady, virtually without any deviation, year after year and this can't be a coincidence. It's defies any laws of logic or probability that there's not one team that has at least a 50% White roster, and that once a team gets close (IND, NE, GB, STL in early 2000s), they almost always move back to that 70/30 threshold within a year or two.

If it weren't for the immense popularity of fantasy football, I'd wager the NFL would not be as dominant as it is today.

 

[hawkeye]

Well on the discussion boards I was on Herzlich is the top rookie free agent for most people. I had Herzlich ranked as the number 4 outside linebacker, ahead of Colin McCarthy and Bruce Carter, who a way more of a health risk due to ACL surgery. Evan the Sporting News had him ranked number 9. I find it crazy that the Pats drafted Marcus Cannon, who will be out all season due to Lymphomia, but not willing to draft Herzlich. I expect Herzlich to be an eventual starter in the next couple of seasons.

 

[Electric Slide]

For whatever reason, the tptb in the NFL ordered all teams to stay away from the two best white WRs. That's the only explanation that makes sense. The quota system is in effect here as well; white WRs have made too many inroads over the past few seasons, thus the "baffling" failure of all teams to draft Maehl and Sanzenbacher. They will be signed as free agents, but there is no chance that they will play, wherever they go. They will get the Mike Hass/David Ball treatment. Blair White was a real anomaly, and I don't see that happensing again any time soon. There will be regular threads here about Maehl and Sanzenbacher being strung along by some team, signed to their practice squad and cut multiple times. We know the routine very well.

New England will almost certainly phase Woodhead out. Hillis looks pretty safe for a fair amount of carries again, but never underestimate Holmgren's influence there, without Mangini to counteract him. And there is always that "Madden curse." Gerhart's role will not increase, and no one will be interested in trading for him. After this atrocious draft, I don't know how anyone can doubt that this is a conspiracy.

Were do you get off making this bold predictions, stated as fact? How can you say Maehl and Sanzenbacher will have NO CHANCE to play? Why do you come up with completely fictional scenarios and respond to them as if they were real? If your going to come up with made up scenarios and act like they are the truth, at least make them positive scenarios!

Do you not realize that WES WELKER was UNDRAFTED, and 3 years later he had 11 receptions in the SUPERBOWL! How can you doom these guys future with such a glaring example as Welker? Would you tell this to Dane and Jeff's face if you met them? Would you tell them to give up football altogether, because even though there are examples like Welker that for some reason history won't repeat itself for them? How arrogant!

What would you have said about Hillis even being the starter last season, let alone rush for over 1,000 yards and get on the cover of one of the most popular video games ever made?

You're so sure Woodhead is going to be phased out, so you must have predicted everything correctly in Woodhead's career so far, right? Did you guess after going UNDRAFTED that he would even be kept on the Jets roster? Did you guess he was going to be picked up by the Patriots after the Jets RELEASED HIM in week 2? Did you guess he was going to receive significant carries, and lead the team in rushing on several occasions? Somehow I doubt that. But now you want to step in and boldly proclaim that he will almost certainly be phased out?

Why have such a bleak disposition and trash of the hopes and dreams of white athletes? And don't call it realism, it's anything but. It's just a fictional scenario you have created in your mind. It's evident that even if these guys do achieve the level of success of Woodhead, Hillis, or Welker that it won't change your mind one bit. If Sanzenbacher won the super bowl MVP I'm willing to bet you would still say the white WR who got snubbed the following year would have no shot. Why not at the very least just hope for the best, and complain after bad stuff happens, not before you even know the outcome, which neither you nor I know.

 

[Deadlift]

I am willing to sacrifice a few receivers in order to get some pass rushers, because of most teams stocking up on sumos, our guys will make them look stupid and expose them. Usually they can get by because they are going against other black scrubs.

The good thing is that the black talent pool seems to be shrinking and there isn't they can do to fix that. They can bring in samoans but there are only so many and they usually are slow. They can either start talented players or keep putting scrubs out there. Looks like they want to keep putting scrubs out there, the best thing to do is get fans to wake up to what is going on, which is already happening.

I would say it's not that difficult at all to "breakdown" film, look at measureables (and also look at stats) of FBS linebackers and tight ends, and come away with a good idea about what the different players offer.

At TE, a Portland State afflete (Julian) was drafted and Idaho afflete (Daniel Hardy) was drafted, but NOT getting drafted were Collin Franklin, Charlie Gantt, Konrad Reuland and his teammate with the special catches (sorry, his name just escapes me right now). The PTB clearly doesn't want White men to dominate this position.

A lot of black linebackers drafted were clearly subpar, some very subpar, but the PTB still wants people to think that "ANY" black can fill the position (even though these blacks are not big, instinctive or fast). With ALL of the small school affletes undeservingly taken, this was a "draft of desperation." That's how I will see it.

As for the "shrinking black talent pool".. this draft was a certifiable example of it. This draft had to have featured the shortest blacks, in what.. the whole history of the "integrated" NFL Draft? Did anyone notice this?

I mean, one couldn't watch college football this past year without the media HEAVILY-SUGGESTING that those with black ancestry are taller.. using Newton, Kaepernick, Pryor, Jerrod Johnson (didn't get drafted!), Jordan Jefferson (LSU) and E.J. Manuel (FSU) as examples.

At receiver, they did this with A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Alshon Jeffery, Reuben Randle, Terrence Tolliver.. kind of an "SEC thing." It was OVERDONE, and I do consider AJ Green and Jones to be "reaches" in this NFL draft.

 

[Deadlift]

I woke up this morning (and tuned into some ESPN) and Kiper and McGay each named the one team they thought had the weakest draft.

Kiper named the Seattle Blackhawks: He called Carpenter a reach, called KJ Wright only "decent".. and, of course, he also criticized the Kris Durham selection. But, yes, their afroletic draft looked WEAK.


McGay named the Oakland Raiders: He had to call Wisniewski an "overachiever".. but Oakland did have a VERY weak-looking draft with all the afflete scrubs taken.

(So, they didn't name Tennessee, Minnesota or Houston as weak!)

 

[whiteathlete33]

NEWS FLASH OF THE DAY!!! The Steelers drafted 0 WHITES!!!

 

[Irn Bru]

Well on the discussion boards I was on Herzlich is the top rookie free agent for most people. I had Herzlich ranked as the number 4 outside linebacker, ahead of Colin McCarthy and Bruce Carter, who a way more of a health risk due to ACL surgery. Evan the Sporting News had him ranked number 9. I find it crazy that the Pats drafted Marcus Cannon, who will be out all season due to Lymphomia, but not willing to draft Herzlich. I expect Herzlich to be an eventual starter in the next couple of seasons.

I agree, but I don't fault the Patriots. Herzlich wouldn't fit their system at all, he's a 4-3 OLB since he's much better in coverage than rushing the passer. I do think the story is picking up though, Peter King, who's probably the biggest NFL analyst on twitter has been giving him a lot of support and apparently his column tomorrow will be all about him. Still, it's unbelievable that not a single team thought he could provide value even as a 7th round pick. That alone made the draft yesterday incredibly frustrating to watch.

 

[Deadlift]

http://www.allsportsdiscussion.com/2011/04/Five-ACC-Draft-Snubs-that-will-prove-they-belong-in-the-NFL.aspx

Mark Herzlich, Boston College, LB, Undrafted

You're telling me that Mark Herzlich the defensive player of the year in the ACC in 2008 wasn't worth a 6th or 7th round draft choice? Yeah right. Anybody that can return from battling cancer and play Division 1 football has that something special that would be welcome in any NFL locker room. Former NFL player Teddy Bruschi called it right when he said players are far better in the "second"Â￾ year back after recovering from major health issues when discussing Herzlich. Herzlich wasn't bad last year, and he'll just continue to recover and get better. I wouldn't bet against him making an NFL roster.

 

[bigunreal]

Electric Slide,

That was some lecture. Maintain your positive outlook; it's quite the rage, what with the best selling "The Secret" and all. You can't dispute the truth any more than a typical DWF can; there IS a quota system and, although last season was fantastic in terms of the Hillis/ Woodhead storylines, I've been (at this point inexplicably) watching the NFL long enough to be able to comment about it intelligently.

The overall number of whites on rosters, total white starters and (most importantly) white skill position players, is crucial here. It's like the NBA, bringing in all those "foreign" players in the 1990s/early 2000s; that should have resulted in a real uptick in the overall number of whites in the league. We all know it didn't, because the NBA started a virtual lockout of white Americans at that point. So the ever important overall % stayed the same. That is what will happen in the NFL; the uptick in white WRs and DEs will be offset by more and more black sumo linemen.

I hope I'm wrong about Woodhead, but don't think I am. As dynamic as he was almost every time he touched the ball last season, his role was stricly limited. With two highly drafted rookie RBs to contend with (who won't be treated like Hester, Gerhart, etc.), how can anyone think his touches won't decrease? Best case scenario is a three-way RBBC, with Woodhead still the primary receiving back.

As I noted, maybe Maehl and Sanzenbacher will catch on with a team. Maybe one of them will be the next Welker. The point is that the NFL will never allow the overall number of starting white WRs to increase noticably. Jordy Nelson shines in the Super Bowl, and what happens? The Packers take a WR high, who is drooled over by the jock sniffers. Austin Collie showed last season, when he led the NFL in every major offensive category, and thoroughly dominated the competition, that this is not enough when you are white. As soon as the totally average Pierre Garcon was healthy, he was handed the starting job back and Collie was sent back to the slot. Danny Amendola is a clear playmaker and the only viable Rams WR the past two seasons, so what happens? They draft a couple of replacements for HIM, as is gleefully noted by the usual suspect "journalists."

Don't shoot the messenger. Like many here, you are cluelessly observing a huge conspiracy in action with every one of your posts, but angrily object, for some reason, when that is clearly pointed out. Say it with me: this IS a conspiracy because the best players don't play.
Edited by: bigunreal

 

[Deadlift]

bigunreal,

I, for one, don't worship Green Bay or Indy.. I don't put any of my heartfelt "trust" in them and never have.

A "superteam" could easily be built, yep, but the NFL appears to prefer things like the NFC Worst and AFC West, mediocrity.

 

[backrow]

i think law firm will be affected more than Woodhead.

great news about Owen Marecic going to Cleveland, Hillis will be a primary ballcarrier again (and i don't mind Hardesty getting few touches to keep Juggernaut fresh).

i am however extremely disappointed with Mark Herzlich situaion... he was a first rounder 2 years ago!!! he came back and did well, so i really don't get it. so many blacks with injury history and what not got drafted high...

 

[WHITE NOISE]

Durham will be forced to overeat and bulk up to become a tight end. The NFL won't allow a tall, fast receiver with missing melanin to make the brothers on the corners look bad (insert Matt Jones here.)

Being from Oregon, I've watched many games in which Jeff Maehl simply could not be covered. He routinely got open, made difficult catches (that were thrown by incompetent quotablacks) and burned defenders for YAC's. Yet, he doesn't get drafted?Nope, move along bigunreal, no conspiracy to see here.

 

[Wolfman82]

bigunreal hits the nail on the head every time he posts! Im amazed atthe naivety here at CF. Even though this is the most honest site on the internet, there still seems to be alot of heads buried in the sand. Thank you bigunreal for your honest, mature posts. Youre my favorite CFer.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Electric Slide,



That was some lecture. Maintain your positive outlook; it's quite the rage, what with the best selling "The Secret" and all. You can't dispute the truth any more than a typical DWF can; there IS a quota system and, although last season was fantastic in terms of the Hillis/ Woodhead storylines, I've been (at this point inexplicably) watching the NFL long enough to be able to comment about it intelligently.



The overall number of whites on rosters, total white starters and (most importantly) white skill position players, is crucial here. It's like the NBA, bringing in all those "foreign" players in the 1990s/early 2000s; that should have resulted in a real uptick in the overall number of whites in the league. We all know it didn't, because the NBA started a virtual lockout of white Americans at that point. So the ever important overall % stayed the same. That is what will happen in the NFL; the uptick in white WRs and DEs will be offset by more and more black sumo linemen.



I hope I'm wrong about Woodhead, but don't think I am. As dynamic as he was almost every time he touched the ball last season, his role was stricly limited. With two highly drafted rookie RBs to contend with (who won't be treated like Hester, Gerhart, etc.), how can anyone think his touches won't decrease? Best case scenario is a three-way RBBC, with Woodhead still the primary receiving back.



As I noted, maybe Maehl and Sanzenbacher will catch on with a team. Maybe one of them will be the next Welker. The point is that the NFL will never allow the overall number of starting white WRs to increase noticably. Jordy Nelson shines in the Super Bowl, and what happens? The Packers take a WR high, who is drooled over by the jock sniffers. Austin Collie showed last season, when he led the NFL in every major offensive category, and thoroughly dominated the competition, that this is not enough when you are white. As soon as the totally average Pierre Garcon was healthy, he was handed the starting job back and Collie was sent back to the slot. Danny Amendola is a clear playmaker and the only viable Rams WR the past two seasons, so what happens? They draft a couple of replacements for HIM, as is gleefully noted by the usual suspect "journalists."



Don't shoot the messenger. Like many here, you are cluelessly observing a huge conspiracy in action with every one of your posts, but angrily object, for some reason, when that is clearly pointed out. Say it with me: this IS a conspiracy because the best players don't play.

You have good points, Bigunreal. I remember about 10 years ago they were saying the league would be half European or in other words about half white. Of course you know the story.

As far as the NFL I'm worried as well. Hillis has a monster season and already everyone is saying he'll have to split carries with Hardesty. Amedola is most likely no longer a starter in St. Louis despite being the Rams best and most consistent receiver last season. Woodhead? The kid has 1,000 yards rushing written all over him but he won't get enough carries to hit that mark.

 

[Leonardfan]

I gave up on affiliating myself with any one team 5-6 years ago. I now only follow the white players in the league and do know just about all of them. I wish them the best and support them fully as they face an uphill battle. My enjoyment comes when these guys prove everyone wrong by going out and excelling. Other than that I do not care what really happens.

I do believe there is a system entrenched and its hard for many players to slip through the cracks. The fact that the number of white players drafted is almost the same every year needs to be raised up the flag pole. Why doesn't that joke sports and diversity joke watch group bring this up at all. It really is a quota system.

 

[Carolina Speed]

Yeah, bigunreal makes some obvious points,no doubt the racism against white athletes, especially in basketball and football. I don't necessarily believe in conspircies though, it's just plain racism!

I do understand Electricslides' views. Why be so negative all the time? Are we to just sit around and complain, bend over and letm stick it to you! I personally am trying to do something about it in my area of the country.

By no means am I taking up for the other side, but there aresome questionable draftsmade that involved nowhites at all. I know, thats gonna happen when it's all black, but I know for a fact Baltimore has a pretty good wr (V.Tech grad, ran a punt back for a TD in the Orange Bowl)that has been on the practice squad for 2 years. Every pre-season he catches everything in sight and he has not had a chance to be on the everyday roster. So what do the Ravens do, they draft 2 wrs.

For every Wes Welker andBlair White, there's a D.Driver or maybe aJustin Harper(Baltimore Ravens). That's whatTPTB will claimifall we do is complain.

 

[celticdb15]

The bottom line is that talented white football players were blackballed in this years draft.While many small school blacks were given chances in front of guys who played at BIG conference schools! Brandon Bair, Herzlich, Maehl, Bellore, Berning, Brian Lainhart, Dom DeCicco, Sanzenbacher and many more will be forced to try and walk-on yet again at the next level of their careers. Draft Day is a reminder to why I'm on this site and also a reminder that the powers that be, need no whites to apply for jobs..

 

[celticdb15]

I also hate how on draft day the "experts" make it sound like every player will be successful, when in reality half of the bums drafted have no work ethic and have skated by on "potential" and "upside" for years. f**k that! There are many whites equipped to step in right away and make an impact, but are not given the time of day!

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I see the caste system as more than a conspiracy. The big lie, at the heart of the caste system, is very deeply engrained into the psyche of many people and no longer needs the planning or organization of an actual conspiracy to cause the same general effect. To me, that is much more difficult to deal with than a conspiracy. When I think of conspiracy, I think of a fairly small number of people who are trying to get everyone else to think something else is going on. I think we are way past that point, as the U.S. is full of DWFs that have bought into caste ideology. Now, they help maintain the big lie by their thoughts and actions. Those who taught them the myth don't have to work as hard now, and our biggest job is trying to convince people that the big lie is just that, a big lie. When you have millions and millions of ignorant people who believe in the big lie, you don't need as much help maintaining the myth.