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Ultra-athletic Sabby Piscitelli will get screwed. From Rotoworld:
The Bucs are convinced that Sabby Piscitelli is best suited as a No. 3
safety -- not a starter.

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took was one year of blown coverage assignments, missed tackles, and no
big plays for this to become obvious. Piscitelli has surrendered his
first-team status to Sean Jones. Jones will be a big upgrade in run
defense.</div>
 

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whiteathlete33 said:
Ultra-athletic Sabby Piscitelli will get screwed. From Rotoworld:
The Bucs are convinced that Sabby Piscitelli is best suited as a No. 3
safety -- not a starter.

<div> All it
took was one year of blown coverage assignments, missed tackles, and no
big plays for this to become obvious. Piscitelli has surrendered his
first-team status to Sean Jones. Jones will be a big upgrade in run
defense.</div>

This is f**king bullsh*t! Morris and the local media here are so racist even the DWF's have noticed and stop going to the games. No more "waiting list" for the Negroneers season tickets and since the DWF's stopped filling the stadium the games will be blacked-out.
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I watched Sabby play quite a bit last year and he got burned on ONE play that the caste masters wouldn't let go of, otherwise he was an above average safety and he definitely has the potential to be a great player. I hope Sabby gets traded to a team that's White friendly because Sabby being a WSTD is a joke, he's WAY to good for that and was such a high draft pick for a reason. If Sabby was so bad in "run defense" than why did he have so many tackles...
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Typical DWF self loathing, Afrocentrism from NFL blacks and media hate on a white athlete. Sometimes whites simply don't have a chance in this Zulu league.

At least with offensive skill players- it's easier for the DWFs to pick up on a player's success or failures (and know if the hateful media or black fawning coaches are lying or simply not great analyzers of talent).
 

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Bucs claimed S Matt O'Hanlon off waivers from the Panthers.

O'Hanlon is an undrafted rookie out of Nebraska. He was a full-time starter in each of the last two seasons, racking up six interceptions in 2009. O'Hanlon will try to pull an upset and make the roster as a special teamer.

Bucs stockpiling white safeties now? Sabby, Lynch and O'Hanlon.
 

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I was wondering where O'Hanlon would end up, JReb1 unfortunately you're probably right buddy. As long as the Bucs have Rasheed Morris running things, I won't expect much!
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I was wondering where O'Hanlon would end up, JReb1 unfortunately you're probably right buddy. As long as the Bucs have Rasheed Morris running things, I won't expect much!
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If Sabby is already being demoted I don't know what chance O'Hanlon stands. He might make the roster as a back up safety though.
 

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The Bucs should be applauded for being pioneers. They have to be the first team in NFL history with 3 black qb's on the roster. They have three fine affletes to choose from and all of them suck. Great job Raheem Morris.




Actually the Jaguars were the "pioneers"....Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, Quinn Gray...forgot how many years ago that was??
 

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I don't think O'Hanlon has a legit chance to stick. Why? Because he's already been cut by one team real early in the process. I can't recall too many players being cut before their first pre-season game that went on to have NFL careers. Chase Blackburn was a exception -- cut after a few weeks by Cleveland as a undrafted free agent, then stuck with the Giants as a rookie....The fact that O'Hanlon is a white safety just makes the climb that much steeper.

The position Corey Lynch is in is very unfortunate. As a rookie, he won the NFL's rookie of the week in his first start (@Jets), but was also injured in the game. Marvin Lewis praised him up and down going into the 2009 season, saying if he wasn't injured, he might be a entrenched starter....yet he was still cut .... I hope he sticks with the Bucs, but I'm not sure he'll get a fair chance
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What better choice than Raheem's Dreem Teem to try and keep this total bust (who has perhaps the worst hands in a league filled with black receivers and tight ends with hands of cement) and off the field scumbag in the NFL?

Offensive coordinator Greg Olson plans to utilize TE Jerramy Stevens more in 2010. Stevens had only eight receptions in the final 14 games last season, and it's hard to picture him being more than a situational red-zone target. Barring a Kellen Winslow injury, Stevens will struggle to reach 20 receptions this year.
 

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Cody Grimm was also drafted by the Bucs...maybe they will move him to OLB. He was amazing to watch last year for Va Tech, the only reason I ever watched them.
 

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Cody Grimm was also drafted by the Bucs...maybe they will move him to OLB. He was amazing to watch last year for Va Tech, the only reason I ever watched them.

I don't think they can move him to linebacker. I know he played linebacker in college and was very effective but he's only 203 lbs. Besides we need all the white players at safety we can get.
 

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There's actuallya fairnumber of white safeties in the NFL, but they're almost always at the furthest margins of the league -- training camp fodder, practice squaders, WSTDs, and occasionally backups. When they do get to play, they are instantly and permanently demonized by the drunk white fans the first time they make a mistake. Even Eric Weddle has taken a lot of grief from the media and DWFs. John Lynch was the once in a generation exception.
 

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I think it's around 10 percent for white safeties on active rosters. You're correct about Lynch being the only white safety that the DWF's had respect for. Stuart Schweigert was a good safety for Oakland before being stripped of his starting position and is now in the UFL. Reed Doughty is very solid but is only considered a "hard worker."
 

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John Lynch got a pass from the DWFs because his KO hits were more memorable than a missed tackle IMO.
 
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Don Wassall said:
There's actually a fair number of white safeties in the NFL, but they're almost always at the furthest margins of the league -- training camp fodder, practice squaders, WSTDs, and occasionally backups.  When they do get to play, they are instantly and permanently demonized by the drunk white fans the first time they make a mistake.  Even Eric Weddle has taken a lot of grief from the media and DWFs.  John Lynch was the once in a generation exception. 

The DWFs go crazy when a white safety appears to be chasing someone across the goal line not knowing whose responsibility it was.
 

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Don Wassall said:
There's actuallya fairnumber of white safeties in the NFL, but they're almost always at the furthest margins of the league -- training camp fodder, practice squaders, WSTDs, and occasionally backups. When they do get to play, they are instantly and permanently demonized by the drunk white fans the first time they make a mistake. Even Eric Weddle has taken a lot of grief from the media and DWFs. Lynch was the once in a generation exception.






A great example of the fans demonizing these players at every turn is Eric Smith of theJets. He did "okay" his first few years in the league, but wasa constant scapegoat for fans and the child-likea$$hole radio talk show hosts in NYC thatopenly root for teams and claim their is "world ending" each time the Mets or Jets or lose...So much for objectivity and professionalism?

Anyway, Smith played so well in 2009, particulary in coverage against elite tight ends, that even the most idiotic/brain-washed fool had to give him his due respect and openly lauded him. Nonetheless, most fans agreed that Cleveland scrub/refugee Brodney Pool was a "great signing" and should start ahead of Smith going forward. It's like two white starting safeties is too much to take for these clowns, so a no-name had to be brought in the save their team
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As far as the Bucs, I thought Sabby did a lot good things last season (was awesome @ Buffalo), but he'll only be remembered for a couple bad plays in the opener @ Dallas, which might not have even been 100% hisfault. It seems like whenever one ofthese prima-donna CB's gets burned these days, it's got to be the safeties fault. Edited by: Truthteller
 

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Here's another example of a White safety who kicks around for a few seasons without getting any regular season playing time worth mentioning then disappears. There arelots of White DBs in the league like this. They're treated even worse than the many talented White WRs who hang around the margins without ever getting an opportunity to play and develop. From Rotoworld's wire:

Jets waived S Brannon Condren, K Jared Ballman, and DT Mick Williams. A fourth-round pick back in 2007, Condren has bounced around as a special teamer the past couple of years. Ballman failed to impress after being brought in as competition for Nick Folk.
 

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I have read about 8 NFL preview magazines and they all have said Sabby Piscatelli is horrible. Sure blame the one white guy who misses a few tackles yet why would he have to make those tackles if your all black defensive line and linebackers minus Barret Ruud, were screwing up their assignments?
 

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Don Wassall said:
Here's another example of a White safety who kicks around for a few seasons without getting any regular season playing time worth mentioning then disappears. There arelots of White DBs in the league like this. They're treated even worse than the many talented White WRs who hang around the margins without ever getting an opportunity to play and develop. From Rotoworld's wire:

Jets waived S Brannon Condren, K Jared Ballman, and DT Mick Williams. A fourth-round pick back in 2007, Condren has bounced around as a special teamer the past couple of years. Ballman failed to impress after being brought in as competition for Nick Folk.











Condren is a guy that went from a absolute "nobody" from Troy State a few years ago, into a fairly high draft pick based on his workouts. Once scouts went back and looked at the tape, they saw he was much better than they expected. Sad thing about Condren, is he never really played poorly for the Colts -- was real good in pre-season games (even had 2 picks in one game). Yet, my guess is his career is nowover, at what like 26 years old?

In another thread I mentioned Jerry Angelo liked drafting white DB's, only to see Lovie cleanse them in Chicago. I always thought Colts pres. Bill Polian (who built the 1990's Bills and expansion Panthers) was always fair to white players. He and Colts old/school veteran scout Dom Anile (sp?)always brought plenty of white picks and they did stick during the Mora Sr. era....

After Mora left, it seemed like the white draft picks would stick on offense (thanks to the power of OC Tom Moore and Peyton Manning lobbying for them?), but the defenders always were clensed fairly quickly by Dungy and DC Ron Meeks, who was always openlybitter about never getting a head coaching job.....They always did the same with the flood of white safeties-- kept them for a short while as backups, even if they played fairly well, until they disappered intonowherelike Condren has...Names like Dave Gibson, Rich Coady, Brian Legieb, Jason Doering, Matt Giordano, Condren, ect.

Think about this. Giordano, is a guy they traded up for to grab in the early middle rounds due to his excellent size and speed and he did well. He made some game winning/clinching picks (i.e. @ New Orleans). Had the game saving PD in the Super Bowl (Chicago), yet he was never able to beat a D-AA guy like Bethea who was much slower than him and drafted a few rounds after.....Condren was a fairly high pick and his spot was taken by UFA's Melvin Bullitt, who starts, and Jamie Silva, who ran like 4.9/40 in college.

Sometimes I wonder if real "athletic" and fast white DB's and WR's aren't cut in favor of Silva typesonpurpose....Message is almost likethis: Special teams mascots and small, slower 5th WR's are okay, but if you have the size and speed we crave, no thanks
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Truthteller said:
Don Wassall said:
Here's another example of a White safety who kicks around for a few seasons without getting any regular season playing time worth mentioning then disappears. There arelots of White DBs in the league like this. They're treated even worse than the many talented White WRs who hang around the margins without ever getting an opportunity to play and develop. From Rotoworld's wire:
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<div>Condren is a guy that went from a absolute "nobody" from Troy State a few years ago, into a fairly high draft pick based on his workouts. Once scouts went back and looked at the tape, they saw he was much better than they expected. Sad thing about Condren, is he never really played poorly for the Colts -- was real good in pre-season games (even had 2 picks in one game). Yet, my guess is his career is nowover, at what like 26 years old?</div>
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<div>In another thread I mentioned Jerry Angelo liked drafting white DB's, only to see Lovie cleanse them in Chicago. I always thought Colts pres. Bill Polian (who built the 1990's Bills and expansion Panthers) was always fair to white players. He and Colts old/school veteran scout Dom Anile (sp?)always brought plenty of white picks and they did stick during the Mora Sr. era....</div>
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<div>After Mora left, it seemed like the white draft picks would stick on offense (thanks to the power of OC Tom Moore and Peyton Manning lobbying for them?), but the defenders always were clensed fairly quickly by Dungy and DC Ron Meeks, who was always openlybitter about never getting a head coaching job.....They always did the same with the flood of white safeties-- kept them for a short while as backups, even if they played fairly well, until they disappered intonowherelike Condren has...Names like Dave Gibson, Rich Coady, Brian Legieb, Jason Doering, Matt Giordano, Condren, ect.</div>
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<div>Think about this. Giordano, is a guy they traded up for to grab in the early middle rounds due to his excellent size and speed and he did well. He made some game winning/clinching picks (i.e. @ New Orleans). Had the game saving PD in the Super Bowl (Chicago), yet he was never able to beat a D-AA guy like Bethea who was much slower than him and drafted a few rounds after.....Condren was a fairly high pick and his spot was taken by UFA's Melvin Bullitt, who starts, and Jamie Silva, who ran like 4.9/40 in college.</div>
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<div>Sometimes I wonder if real "athletic" and fast white DB's and WR's aren't cut in favor of Silva typesonpurpose....Message is almost likethis: Special teams mascots and small, slower 5th WR's are okay, but if you have the size and speed we crave, no thanks
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Silva ran a 4.7. I know that just from the top of my head and didn't even have to look it up. It was mentioned several times on this board but he was a very good safety in college and has played a bit in the pros. No safety, white or black, would ever be drafted if they ran a 4.9. That's just way too slow and almost offensive lineman speed.
 

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The thing that bothers me most about the ridiculously unfair criticism about Sabby is if he can't "tackle" how how and why did he make so many of them last year?
 

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Truthteller said:
Sometimes I wonder if real "athletic" and fast white DB's and WR's aren't cut in favor of Silva typesonpurpose....Message is almost likethis: Special teams mascots and small, slower 5th WR's are okay, but if you have the size and speed we crave, no thanks
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I've always maintained that this is a vital part of the Caste System. It's easily seen among WRs, where smaller "Wes Welker types" who don't start on the outside are semi-acceptable, while literally dozens and dozens of tall, lean, fast White WRs with great hands have been systematically excluded from potential stardom, beginning in college but especially in the NFL. Many have been documented here over the past half dozen years. They're the ones who pose a direct threat to the system. While White RBs are totally excluded, token White WRs are allowed, as long as they aren't All Pro caliber. Welker's tremendous talent (and actually getting an opportunity after years of being jerked around whereas most White receivers never get a genuine opportunity) made him a rare exception to the rule.

Ricky Proehl was average sized with average speed (at best) and yet had a very long and successful career. Does anyone doubt that the NFL couldn't be filled with "Ricky Proehl types" not to mention the many true White specimens, who almost always come with good hands, good brains, and good work ethics?

Reed Doughty is aprime example among DBs. He's on the slow side yet was drafted and even eventually became a starter, even though his starting job is regularly taken away from him or else is constantly being threatened by any and all black safetieson the roster. Matt Giordano is clearly faster than Devin Hester (as exhibited in the Bears-Colts Super Bowl), went to Cal so he's obviously no dummy, yet can't get a whiff as a starter.

It's the same way at quarterback, where White QBs can be "athletic" but not too "athletic" otherwise they spoil the false paradigm that only blacks can run well. But there are so few even marginal black QBs that the position remains White dominated (with great runners like Matt Jones, Eric Crouch, Dan LeFevour and a host ofothers either not given an opportunity or forced to change positions).Edited by: Don Wassall
 

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Proehl had a very nice career and was dependable every game. That can't be said for most of the black receivers in the league. As far as athletic white qb's go I still hate that fact that Scott Frost wasn't allowed to play the position in the NFL. Instead he was moved to safety and barely played except for one start. I think he would have been a very good qb and would have been capable of rushing for 1,000 yards in a season at the quarterback position. That wouldn't have been acceptable though for the NFL because he would have the running ability of Vick but with accuracy. That would disprove the NFL's theory that white qb's and white players in general can't run. Honestly how many very athletic white quarterbacks were allowed to play the position? Steve Young is one of the few with elite athleticism who wasn't moved to another position.

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Jim Leonhard is getting some props and respect as well, but he's again, one of the very, very few.
 
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