2009-2010 NCAA Basketball

[space hillbilly]

Sorry english teacher *then
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<div>Edit* Better check your grammar Star Wars, our new guest likes to nit pick.

But overall I agree with your post, he came here with his view set in stone, nothing we say will change it.</div>

That's as old as the internet! Talk about someone grammar if they have nothing to say back!

 

[space hillbilly]

For the last time, I never said blacks are better athletes than whites.  There are many great black and white athletes.  Most people here recognize great white athletes and that's cool but as much "propaganda" there is favoring black athletes in the real world, these forums aren't so much pro-white as they are anti-black.


I came here from another forum a few weeks ago that linked to the Tim Tebow article and I've read a number of threads on the forums.  Like many people who visit I looked at this site as a joke, and I still do.  The reason I posted was to comment on Northern Iowa and when I said they're not a very good team, with good reasons, I was met with "YOU MUST NOT LIKE WHITE TEAMS GET LOST TROLL!!1eleven!".  So far the only claim to NIU's greatness is "well they lost last year but at least a good team beat them."  Yeah that's really impressive.

So you know how most people feel about this site?

 

[thousandknives]

First off--paragraphs. No one likes to read walls of text and calling me a grammar nazi is a straw man. More importantly,

you are just saying blacks are better athletes i presume

You wouldn't have to presume anything if you had some basic reading comprehension. I don't know how I could've said it any clearer in my last post.

I never said blacks are better athletes than whites.

do you want me to type it again for you?
And on your little caste system argument, I know it was upsetting when your white knight Toby Gerhart lost to the the dark man. I know everyone here wanted him to win the heismanbut when he lost it was written off as a popularity contest, cultural marxism, etc etc.

But the Tim Tebow article on the front page boasts Tim's heisman win in the first paragraph. Talk about a double standard. And it's funny how upset everyone gets when they seeToby going anywhere but the first round in the draft. Yeah just ignore the fact that he's slow and that he played in a weak conference. When members here went to other sites and complained about him projected for2nd-4th round, whichnearlyevery reliable mock draft is doing, they looked like fools. That answers lost's comment.

 

[Jack Lambert]

He DESERVES to go in the 1st round. If Toby were black, he'd be a top 5 pick. No one mentions that the Bronco's RB, Knowshon Moreno ran a 4.63 (I think.) That didn't stop him from being drafted by the Broncos early, now did it?


I'm sorry, is it a sin in your world to list Tebow's accomplishments first? Oh wait, Tebow is white, athletic QB, so we must degrade him like the rest of the media at every oppurtunity.

 

[PhillyBirds]

Yeah just ignore the fact that he's slow and that he played in a weak conference.

Just like most people ignore that he won the Doak Walker award and came in second in the closest Heisman vote in history. Just ignore the fact he ran a 4.48 coming into Stanford, and a 4.55 several months removed from invasive knee surgery.

Just ignore the fact the SEC is overhyped, and Toby played against better defenses overall than running backs in the SEC. Oregon, USC, etc. Ingram is a great runner, no doubt. But it becomes easy to make the popularity argument for the Heisman when Toby wins the award for the nation's best RB, leads the nation in yards and touchdowns, and then loses the Heisman vote...to another RB.

Just ignore the fact that the leading rusher by a thousand yards in California HS history, and third leading rusher in the history of high school football in America was recruited to be a linebacker at USC. The same USC he crushed underfoot. The same USC with a "weak" defense.

Just ignore the facts and "our" Caste system doesn't exist.

And while we're throwing around fancy debating terms, here's one:
Ad hominem argument. Attack people less, express opinions more.Edited by: PhillyBirds

 

[thousandknives]

ok I'll start with PhillyBirds- He won the Doak Walker award, cool, that's like the Golden Globe of the football awards. So he ran a 4.48, that's ok. CJ Spiller's is 4.28. I think all the guys projected above him have faster 40 times.


The SEC is hyped for good reason, or at the very least tougher than the PAC-10. The PAC-10 has USC I'll give you that and Oregon made the rose bowl. But both Oregon teams lost their bowl games, Arizona got shutout. There's teams like Arizona State and the Washington schools in there. In the SEC there's Bama (undefeated) Florida (one loss, killed Cincy) and about eight other good teams that showed up for bowl games. The level of competition really isn't comparable.


Those records may be impressive but that's HS, not college. btw, sorry if I'm using "fancy" debating terms and I don't think I've really been attacking anyone.


Jack- I like Tim Tebow. He's a great leader and I hope he gets a shot at qb in Jacksonville. However he'll need to change some of his basic mechanics. Setting race aside, he has a slow, low to the ground windup motion that won't work in the NFL. Tebow himself has said he's working on that. His passing skills also need a little work. And his runs up the middle will come at a tougher price against NFL lineman. Those things aside, he has great potential. But that's a different topic.

 

[MarkMadsenISBACK]

Why is it not surprising that the smartest person I've seen on this website is also being called a troll for looking at things from a reasonable perspective? Thousandknives-absolutely nothing you said was false, but many people on this site don't like hearing the truth. Any legitimate argument you bring up will be completely ignored and they'll respond only by calling you a 'troll.' And that includes the joke that is Don Wassil, who suspended me because I don't believe in his ideas of 'PROPAGATING THE MASTER RACE.'

But truthfully, when it comes to sports, this site (well, actually just the concept) is an interesting change of pace from the media (namely ESPN) that coddles black people because they're afraid Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and company are going to raise hell if they say anything that's not overwhelmingly positive about a black person. Because of that, we get ESPN saying things like "Legarrette Blount did nothing wrong-he only retaliated against the white guy who provoked him," "Blacks make up the majority of NFL players because they're better than whites-however whites make up the majority of coaches because blacks are being unfairly held back by racists," "Here Jemele Hill, have a contract extension, you managed to equate the predominantly white Celtics to Hitler and the Nazis," "BLACK HISTORY MONTH BLACK HISTORY MONTH BLACK HISTORY MONTH," etc. Stuff like that is annoying and when it's constantly rammed down your throat, it makes you think that there needs to be some place that fairly discusses racial matters that pertain to whites.

This site should be a good place for that, but unfortunately, a good chunk of people on this site are mindless drones (even worse than the media) that blindly praise anything white and hold double standards for everything. The common belief around here is that anything whites are better at is completely true and can be backed up by facts. However, anything blacks are better at is just a conspiracy created solely to demoralize and destroy the white people. Speaking about logic and getting a worthwhile discussion going is pointless because people here honestly believe ridiculous things along the level of "Mike Dunleavy's a better player than Lebron. He's just being held back because he's white." Opinions aren't allowed to differ.

Thousandknives-I wish you luck in being able to be accepted here by the elite master race, because rational people like us really don't belong.

 

[irokez]

I dont recall anybody here saying that Mike Dunleavy is a better player than Lebron. He is certainly a better shooter than Lebron.
Look we unashamedly support white athletes and if you have a problem with that you can sling your hook to any of the million other forums on the net.

 

[Deadlift]

Brothers, by not challenging thousandknives Kentucky straw man, you have built up his ego to megalomaniacal proportions! He keeps saying, "you can't challenge my points because I'm telling the truth."

Well, now is the time to deflate that ego! You talk about Northern Iowa's schedule, but your beloved Kentucky played 12 non-conference cupcakes - and they still struggled on occasion! And then you have the recent Arkansas/Kentucky game, where Kentucky destroyed coal-black Arkansas by 31 points! Should that "intimidate" us? Do you think that "White boyz" would have gotten beat by more than 31 points?

The college game is still watered-down, particularly at point guard, because of the Caste System. And then you have the situation where "team basketball" is non-existant, as the guard will shoot the ball 25 times per game. Do you want us to be glued to the TV screen in absolute awe? Is John Stockton so unique, genetically and intellectually?

You see, thousandknives, you come onto CF and try to "intimidate" us with your black supremacist agenda, but you fail to understand the depths of our intellect. You also fail to grasp what this site is about. We support White athletes, and we're NOT saying that Northern Iowa is the best that it could be. They would be much better if they had under-utilized White studs like Minnesota's Colton Iverson or Iowa State's Jamie Vanderbeeken.

I want to see White athletes shine and be utilized as much as possible, and if that means going to Drake or Northern Iowa or Southern Illinois, I'm all for it. And, NEWSFLASH, a mid-major team with White studs can definitely go to the Sweet 16 and Elite 8. White talent is not limited and, as you probably know, it doesn't take many men to build a basketball team.


Here's Kentucky's schedule and the results of their games (this is Exhibit A):

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/schedule/KY

12 (non-conf) cupcakes, although they barely beat Miami-Ohio. I'm not counting Louisville as a cupcake - even though they aren't anything special. Biggest wins, of course, is their wins over UNC and UCONN. And how does that affect "US" at CF? Personally, I loathe UCONN so their loss was cool, but I didn't give one hoot about the Kentuck/UNC game. No Psycho-T and all..

Don't forget to kiss your Kentucky team poster when you wake up in the morning. Do you have a favorite or special athlete... You know, the one you kiss after having brushed your teeth.

 

[space hillbilly]

Why is it not surprising that the smartest person I've seen on this website is also being called a troll for looking at things from a reasonable perspective?  Thousandknives-absolutely nothing you said was false, but many people on this site don't like hearing the truth.   Any legitimate argument you bring up will be completely ignored and they'll respond only by calling you a 'troll.'  And that includes the joke that is Don Wassil, who suspended me because I don't believe in his ideas of 'PROPAGATING THE MASTER RACE.'But truthfully, when it comes to sports, this site (well, actually just the concept) is an interesting change of pace from the media (namely ESPN) that coddles black people because they're afraid Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and company are going to raise hell if they say anything that's not overwhelmingly positive about a black person.  Because of that, we get ESPN saying things like "Legarrette Blount did nothing wrong-he only retaliated against the white guy who provoked him," "Blacks make up the majority of NFL players because they're better than whites-however whites make up the majority of coaches because blacks are being unfairly held back by racists," "Here Jemele Hill, have a contract extension, you managed to equate the predominantly white Celtics to Hitler and the Nazis," "BLACK HISTORY MONTH BLACK HISTORY MONTH BLACK HISTORY MONTH," etc.  Stuff like that is annoying and when it's constantly rammed down your throat, it makes you think that there needs to be some place that fairly discusses racial matters that pertain to whites.This site should be a good place for that, but unfortunately, a good chunk of people on this site are mindless drones (even worse than the media) that blindly praise anything white and hold double standards for everything.  The common belief around here is that anything whites are better at is completely true and can be backed up by facts.  However, anything blacks are better at is just a conspiracy created solely to demoralize and destroy the white people.  Speaking about logic and getting a worthwhile discussion going is pointless because people here honestly believe ridiculous things along the level of "Mike Dunleavy's a better player than Lebron.  He's just being held back because he's white."  Opinions aren't allowed to differ.Thousandknives-I wish you luck in being able to be accepted here by the elite master race, because rational people like us really don't belong.

WoW!! We need a open minded guy like you on this site!

Black's are better football players! But black coaches are being held back by "Evil" Racists! Boy! You know your stuff!

 

[whiteathlete33]

MarkMadsen and thousandknives, two trolls who deserve each other. Funny how thousandknives said he thinks of this site as a joke. We actually think of people like you as a joke thousandknives. By the way thousandknives, how is a 4.5 40 speed slow for a big running back like Toby? Also how is the PAC-10 a weak conference? If you think that then you are just as stupid as I thought.
Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[celticdb15]

Will you use the argument that the Pac 10 is weak when you evaluate players like Jacquizz Rodgers,LaMichael James, andJoe McKnight?? Edited by: celticdb15

 

[whiteathlete33]

Celtic we should probably stop feeding the troll. I think it's the same loser that keeps coming back every few weeks under different names. The guy has no life so he comes on this site to stir the pot and create controversy.

 

[celticdb15]

True it's time to bring this topic back on track. Matt Bouldin got some serious credit fromESPN's Andy Katz. http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/page/notebookweeklywatch0910/week-10 (Middle of page) Edited by: celticdb15

 

[Don Wassall]

Celtic we should probably stop feeding the troll. I think it's the same loser that keeps coming back every few weeks under different names. The guy has no life so he comes on this site to stir the pot and create controversy.

These geniuses are so above us that they don't even need to read the posting guidelines, which clearly state that this is a troll free site. Nor do they read the About Us section, which states that blacks are good football and basketball players. They ignore the fact that at least 90 percent of the criticism here is directed at White announcers, White sports executives, White fans, and sometimes at White athletes. To the extent they're not trolls, they insist that Caste Football be re-directed and neutered to exactly fit their perspective, which is little different than, as Irokez put it, any of the million other forums on the internet that talk sports.

You don't like it here, and we don't want you here, so the solution is obvious. Now, go back and lament to your fellow white smirking know-nothings at Something Awful Happened or OK Player or whatever place it is that you slithered here from.

 

[guest301]

Brothers, by not challenging thousandknives Kentucky straw man, you have built up his ego to megalomaniacal proportions! He keeps saying, "you can't challenge my points because I'm telling the truth."

Well, now is the time to deflate that ego! You talk about Northern Iowa's schedule, but your beloved Kentucky played 12 non-conference cupcakes - and they still struggled on occasion! And then you have the recent Arkansas/Kentucky game, where Kentucky destroyed coal-black Arkansas by 31 points! Should that "intimidate" us? Do you think that "White boyz" would have gotten beat by more than 31 points?

The college game is still watered-down, particularly at point guard, because of the Caste System. And then you have the situation where "team basketball" is non-existant, as the guard will shoot the ball 25 times per game. Do you want us to be glued to the TV screen in absolute awe? Is John Stockton so unique, genetically and intellectually?

You see, thousandknives, you come onto CF and try to "intimidate" us with your black supremacist agenda, but you fail to understand the depths of our intellect. You also fail to grasp what this site is about. We support White athletes, and we're NOT saying that Northern Iowa is the best that it could be. They would be much better if they had under-utilized White studs like Minnesota's Colton Iverson or Iowa State's Jamie Vanderbeeken.

I want to see White athletes shine and be utilized as much as possible, and if that means going to Drake or Northern Iowa or Southern Illinois, I'm all for it. And, NEWSFLASH, a mid-major team with White studs can definitely go to the Sweet 16 and Elite 8. White talent is not limited and, as you probably know, it doesn't take many men to build a basketball team.


Here's Kentucky's schedule and the results of their games (this is Exhibit A):

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/schedule/KY

12 (non-conf) cupcakes, although they barely beat Miami-Ohio. I'm not counting Louisville as a cupcake - even though they aren't anything special. Biggest wins, of course, is their wins over UNC and UCONN. And how does that affect "US" at CF? Personally, I loathe UCONN so their loss was cool, but I didn't give one hoot about the Kentuck/UNC game. No Psycho-T and all..

Don't forget to kiss your Kentucky team poster when you wake up in the morning. Do you have a favorite or special athlete... You know, the one you kiss after having brushed your teeth.

Can't improve on perfection. Thanks for taking the time to do that.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Celtic we should probably stop feeding the troll. I think it's the same loser that keeps coming back every few weeks under different names. The guy has no life so he comes on this site to stir the pot and create controversy.

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<div>These geniuses are so above us that they don't even need to read the posting guidelines, which clearly state that this is a troll free site. Nor do they read the About Us section, which states that blacks are good football and basketball players. They ignore the fact that at least 90 percent of the criticism here is directed at White announcers, White sports executives, White fans, and sometimes at White athletes. To the extent they're not trolls, they insist that Caste Football be re-directed and neutered to exactly fit their perspective, which is little different than, as Irokez put it, any of the million other forums on the internet that talk sports.</div>
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<div>You don't like it here, and we don't want you here, so the solution is obvious. Now, go back and lament to your fellow white smirking know-nothings at Something Awful Happened or OK Player or whatever place it is that you slithered here from.</div>

Well said Don. His argument that Toby is slow is ridiculous. For such a big back running in the 4.5 range is excellent speed. The PAC 10 features some of the best defenses in the country and Toby lit them up.

 

[celticdb15]

Hey guys, guess what?? Kentucky lost!! Congrats to Downey for an incredible performance!

Guess Kentucky is not as good asthey thought.. I hope Vandy can hand them another loss when they play down the road.Edited by: celticdb15

 

[j41181]

Cole Aldrich seems to have a sub-par year. I don't think he's injured at all. He's weak season appears to be more attributed to the "great" Sherron Collins, who is a freaking turnover machine.

His Draft value has clearly taken a hit this season.

 

[whiteathlete33]

He was projected as possibly a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft but now he's probably more like a top 20 pick.

 

[Freethinker]

I don't think Aldrich is having a bad season at all. He is on a team full of "superstars" or at least that's what his teammates think of themselves in their own heads. Some games he barely takes any shots because he is not feed the ball in the post. As a center that is hardly his fault. He still shoots a high percent, rebounds like crazy and blocks tons of shots. He is a top five defensive presence in all of NCAA. I also feel his game is better suited for the NBA and could have Chris Kaman-like success there. I've heard scouts say recently that Cole could be the 4th or 5th pick. I would not expect him to drop lower than 10th.

BTW, during the Kansas vs Missouri broadcast the other night one of the announcers (Brent Musburger I think) said something along the lines of, "Well after a dominate game tonight by Aldrich, I think you have to throw his name back out there for national player of the year". I was shocked by this since Cole's numbers don't exactly jump out. However, he is the most important player on one of the best teams.

 

[j41181]

If Cole Aldrich helps Kansas win it all, I'm certain he'll become a hot commodity for the NBA. He already has an NCAA ring (as a little used freshman). But, helping Kansas win it again (with him as the most significant player) will boost his stock ten-fold. It's nice to see a superb white player like him with equally superb teammates!

 

[Jack Lambert]

It appears Bob Thuggins may be lightening up a little bit (at least for the rest of this year). Watching a couple of West Virginia games, it looks like he actually has three white players that are getting some time on the court. He has two whites out on the court right now against St. Johns.Edited by: Jack Lambert

 

[whiteathlete33]

Is anyone familiar with Austin Rivers from Winterpark, FL? Is he mixed or what?

 

[green fire317]

Yeah, he is the son of Celtics coach Doc Rivers. His Dad is black and is Mom is white (with blond hair too).