2008 Summer Olympics
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I hate to agree with Nevada on anything but he is right on this one. Cullen Jones clearly deserved to be on our 4by100 freesytle relay team and he rightly deserves the gold medal he is wearing, black or not. We shattered the world record in this race and all the statements here about the USA winning in spite of him is to say the least inaccurate. For caste football reasons I would just as soon he never made the team, but he did and I guarantee the three white guys who also won gold in that race are very grateful for his contribution.
Man what a race. I was really worried about it to be honest. The French team was no joke.
I'm happy for Lezak. He's never really gotten that much attention despite being well respected in the swimming community.
As far as Jones goes...I won't quibble with him being placed on the squad but I would have felt just as comfortable with Wildman-Tobriner or Grevers(?) with his 6'8" reach. That frenchie ripped him a new one on his leg though.
Anyway, on to the 200 free for Phelps.
I'm happy for Lezak. He's never really gotten that much attention despite being well respected in the swimming community.
As far as Jones goes...I won't quibble with him being placed on the squad but I would have felt just as comfortable with Wildman-Tobriner or Grevers(?) with his 6'8" reach. That frenchie ripped him a new one on his leg though.
Anyway, on to the 200 free for Phelps.
The only negative from that race is that the result gives the well-trained mindless white masses another opportunity to engage in French bashing. The "cowardly" French have a great military tradition; in fact, the drunk white fans might still be British subjects if not for the French, a condition which they of course would accept with great fervor and dedicationas long as the media told them it was a good thing.
GiovaniMarcon
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All kidding aside, it's true that France -- at least prior to the third republic, had a magnificent military tradition. French hussars and curassiers in particular were the envy of all European cavalry, and Napoleon's Imperial Guard were probably the finest troops in all Europe in the early 19th century.
But anyway, American media outlets often fail to mention that the French 100 meter swim team also demolished the world record and finished a hair's breath behind the Americans. Also, one might say the Americans only "pulled it out" because of the superhuman effort of Lezak, where as the French had a more balanced attack and individually performed equally well.
But anyway, American media outlets often fail to mention that the French 100 meter swim team also demolished the world record and finished a hair's breath behind the Americans. Also, one might say the Americans only "pulled it out" because of the superhuman effort of Lezak, where as the French had a more balanced attack and individually performed equally well.
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The French always had a great army. Their problem was that they were surrounded by enemies. Even in the 20th century, the French fought well. They did win some battles in 1940, Vietnam and Algeria.
Viva La France! Viva La Bridget Bardot.
Viva La France! Viva La Bridget Bardot.
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I agree, the Americans won this race more so than the French losing it. It was unbelievable, and I have watched it countless more times on the internet since yesterday!
More good stuff tonight, as the American domination continued with 3 golds, 2 silvers, and 2 bronzes.
I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying watching swimming this year more than any other Olympics, and all these super white athletes from all over the world at their absolute best! (and a few equally impressive Asian swimmers).
More good stuff tonight, as the American domination continued with 3 golds, 2 silvers, and 2 bronzes.
I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying watching swimming this year more than any other Olympics, and all these super white athletes from all over the world at their absolute best! (and a few equally impressive Asian swimmers).
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<H2 ="ArticleTitle">Black U.S. boxer gets "confruzed" and loses. This is hilarious!
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http://www.nbcolympics.com/boxing/news/newsid=196625.html#ga mes+early+again+warren
<H2 ="ArticleTitle">Warren stunned in opening bout </H2>
<DIV ="Summary">Top American hope believed he'd won, stopped punching
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BEIJING (AP) -- While Lee Ok-sung got his glove fixed with 35 seconds left, Rau'Shee Warren turned in his neutral corner and searched for a clear voice in the cacophony of shouted advice.
Warren swore he heard somebody in the stands yelling "Move! Move!", meaning the world champion flyweight had the lead and should simply avoid getting punched to win. His coaches were screaming the opposite message from their ringside seats, because Warren actually trailed 9-8 and needed to attack.
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U.S. gold-medal favorite Rau'Shee Warren was eliminated by Lee Ok-sung, 9-8, in the flyweight (51kg/112 lbs) division.
In a painfully perfect illustration of what might be the U.S. boxing team's biggest problem, Warren listened to what he thought his friends, family or teammates were telling him. It cost him a chance at the medal he waited four years to hang around his mother's neck.
Warren spent the final moments of his second Olympics with his gloves at his waist Tuesday night, dancing in a pointless circle around the South Korean former world champion.
The stunning loss - and the head-scratching way it ended - crushed the first two-time American boxing Olympian in 30 years.
"It doesn't feel real," Warren said, pulling up his red tank top to dry his tears. "I didn't feel like I lost the fight, because I was fighting hard, doing everything the coaches were telling me. To get this far and then lose, I don't even know what happened."
After losing his first fight in Athens as a raw 17-year-old light flyweight, Warren declined pro boxing's riches and stuck around the amateur game solely for a trip to Beijing and his desire to present gold to his mother, Paulette. Instead, he got eight minutes of action capped by 35 seconds of awful confusion.
Warren didn't even know he had lost until he heard the news from U.S. coach Dan Campbell. He threw his headgear in disgust before the tears rolled, though he later apologized for being "unsportsmanlike."
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"There was so much going on in the crowd," Warren said. "When I just stood there at the end, I thought I was up. To wait this long, and then to lose after one fight ..."
Warren broke into sobs again.
"I was confused about why he stopped (punching)," Campbell said. "He said he heard somebody saying to him to move (and avoid Lee). He was looking up in the stands. I don't know what he thought they were saying."
Earlier at Workers' Gymnasium, Juan Carlos Payano of the Dominican Republic upset two-time Olympic medalist Jerome Thomas of France. A few hours later, China sent its fifth fighter through to the next round with bantamweight Gu Yu's win over Joe Murray of Britain, who angrily blamed it on a judging bias toward the hometown fighters.
Russian bantamweight Sergey Vodopyanov also advanced - but Warren, a fellow world champion, won't be joining him.
Warren was a medal favorite for the tumultuous American team, along with welterweight Demetrius Andrade, another world champion who barely won his debut fight Sunday in Beijing.
USA Boxing instituted a strict training program and revolutionary coaching methods in an attempt to return to prominence, but Campbell's staff has been battered by complaints from the fighters' parents and local coaches. Most of the boxers thought the residency program in Colorado Springs, Colo., was onerous, and some discounted Campbell's coaching abilities.
The results of all that dissension might be showing up in Beijing: Warren's loss follows bantamweight contender Gary Russell Jr.'s failure to make weight, along with early losses by Sadam Ali and Javier Molina. Just five U.S. boxers remain in the Olympic field, and Campbell described himself as "close to speechless."
"For him to lose could be disheartening for some of our other guys," Campbell said. "That's going to be our biggest fear. ... I think they're most definitely going to be psyched out. We have a psychologist around, and we're going to make sure that she talks to this team, because I'm sure all of them are going to be psyched out by this."
Warren, a Cincinnati native, was the youngest boxer at the Athens Games and the youngest male athlete on the entire U.S. Olympic contingent in Greece.
No American fighter had been on two straight Olympic teams since Davey Lee Armstrong in 1972 and 1976. Although Cuba, Russia and other nations send their best amateur fighters to multiple Olympics, most Americans don't wait.
"He did what we would like to hope that other young boxers do," Campbell said. "He stayed around for four more years, and ... he worked so hard in our program."
http://www.nbcolympics.com/boxing/news/newsid=196625.html#ga mes+early+again+warren
<H2 ="ArticleTitle">Warren stunned in opening bout </H2>
<DIV ="Summary">Top American hope believed he'd won, stopped punching
<DIV ="Date">Posted Monday, August 11, 2008 9:33 AM ET
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BEIJING (AP) -- While Lee Ok-sung got his glove fixed with 35 seconds left, Rau'Shee Warren turned in his neutral corner and searched for a clear voice in the cacophony of shouted advice.
Warren swore he heard somebody in the stands yelling "Move! Move!", meaning the world champion flyweight had the lead and should simply avoid getting punched to win. His coaches were screaming the opposite message from their ringside seats, because Warren actually trailed 9-8 and needed to attack.
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U.S. gold-medal favorite Rau'Shee Warren was eliminated by Lee Ok-sung, 9-8, in the flyweight (51kg/112 lbs) division.
In a painfully perfect illustration of what might be the U.S. boxing team's biggest problem, Warren listened to what he thought his friends, family or teammates were telling him. It cost him a chance at the medal he waited four years to hang around his mother's neck.
Warren spent the final moments of his second Olympics with his gloves at his waist Tuesday night, dancing in a pointless circle around the South Korean former world champion.
The stunning loss - and the head-scratching way it ended - crushed the first two-time American boxing Olympian in 30 years.
"It doesn't feel real," Warren said, pulling up his red tank top to dry his tears. "I didn't feel like I lost the fight, because I was fighting hard, doing everything the coaches were telling me. To get this far and then lose, I don't even know what happened."
After losing his first fight in Athens as a raw 17-year-old light flyweight, Warren declined pro boxing's riches and stuck around the amateur game solely for a trip to Beijing and his desire to present gold to his mother, Paulette. Instead, he got eight minutes of action capped by 35 seconds of awful confusion.
Warren didn't even know he had lost until he heard the news from U.S. coach Dan Campbell. He threw his headgear in disgust before the tears rolled, though he later apologized for being "unsportsmanlike."
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"There was so much going on in the crowd," Warren said. "When I just stood there at the end, I thought I was up. To wait this long, and then to lose after one fight ..."
Warren broke into sobs again.
"I was confused about why he stopped (punching)," Campbell said. "He said he heard somebody saying to him to move (and avoid Lee). He was looking up in the stands. I don't know what he thought they were saying."
Earlier at Workers' Gymnasium, Juan Carlos Payano of the Dominican Republic upset two-time Olympic medalist Jerome Thomas of France. A few hours later, China sent its fifth fighter through to the next round with bantamweight Gu Yu's win over Joe Murray of Britain, who angrily blamed it on a judging bias toward the hometown fighters.
Russian bantamweight Sergey Vodopyanov also advanced - but Warren, a fellow world champion, won't be joining him.
Warren was a medal favorite for the tumultuous American team, along with welterweight Demetrius Andrade, another world champion who barely won his debut fight Sunday in Beijing.
USA Boxing instituted a strict training program and revolutionary coaching methods in an attempt to return to prominence, but Campbell's staff has been battered by complaints from the fighters' parents and local coaches. Most of the boxers thought the residency program in Colorado Springs, Colo., was onerous, and some discounted Campbell's coaching abilities.
The results of all that dissension might be showing up in Beijing: Warren's loss follows bantamweight contender Gary Russell Jr.'s failure to make weight, along with early losses by Sadam Ali and Javier Molina. Just five U.S. boxers remain in the Olympic field, and Campbell described himself as "close to speechless."
"For him to lose could be disheartening for some of our other guys," Campbell said. "That's going to be our biggest fear. ... I think they're most definitely going to be psyched out. We have a psychologist around, and we're going to make sure that she talks to this team, because I'm sure all of them are going to be psyched out by this."
Warren, a Cincinnati native, was the youngest boxer at the Athens Games and the youngest male athlete on the entire U.S. Olympic contingent in Greece.
No American fighter had been on two straight Olympic teams since Davey Lee Armstrong in 1972 and 1976. Although Cuba, Russia and other nations send their best amateur fighters to multiple Olympics, most Americans don't wait.
"He did what we would like to hope that other young boxers do," Campbell said. "He stayed around for four more years, and ... he worked so hard in our program."
GiovaniMarcon
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^^^
Did Warren at least give credit to the South Korean guy? It sounds a lot like he's implying that he only lost because he didn't do this or that, rather than that the Korean guy just beat him that day.
Did Warren at least give credit to the South Korean guy? It sounds a lot like he's implying that he only lost because he didn't do this or that, rather than that the Korean guy just beat him that day.
Great race for Coughlin. She held on like grim death over that final 10 meters or so.
Phelps smashed the field in the 200 free. It was over within the first 50m.
Men's gymnastics won a bronze! The Chinese were unstoppable though.
Showdown tonight in women's gymnastics between China and USA.
Phelps is in two finals tonight, 200 fly and 4x200 free relay.
We could see a monster time in the 200 fly from him.
Phelps smashed the field in the 200 free. It was over within the first 50m.
Men's gymnastics won a bronze! The Chinese were unstoppable though.
Showdown tonight in women's gymnastics between China and USA.
Phelps is in two finals tonight, 200 fly and 4x200 free relay.
We could see a monster time in the 200 fly from him.
I was watching Sports Center last night and noticed that the background photo they were using of Michael Phelps showed him with noticeably red lips, as if he had lipstick on. The local paper had the same thing today inthe picture of Phelps it carried.
I'm just wondering out loud. . . given the explicit worship of the black male and femaleand white female athletes on the U.S. team to the exclusion of all white male athletes except the one that can't be ignored, the one destined to be the greatest Olympian ever, could it be that he is not so covertly being given homosexual characteristics -- or, that maybe he is "gay" and the big bombshell is being readied to be dropped, perhaps right after the conclusion of the Games? I already mentioned how SI ran a gay-type "centerfold" of him in its preview of the U.S. team.. .
I'm just wondering out loud. . . given the explicit worship of the black male and femaleand white female athletes on the U.S. team to the exclusion of all white male athletes except the one that can't be ignored, the one destined to be the greatest Olympian ever, could it be that he is not so covertly being given homosexual characteristics -- or, that maybe he is "gay" and the big bombshell is being readied to be dropped, perhaps right after the conclusion of the Games? I already mentioned how SI ran a gay-type "centerfold" of him in its preview of the U.S. team.. .
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Don you should be embracing Phelps tremendous accomplishments, not wonder out load if he gay! WTF, and if he is gay so what. At least he is a white male who is dominating two Olympics like no one else. I do not believe he is gay though.
I also noticed that his lips were unusually red, maybe their do to him finishing the race with alot of blood rushing to his head and lips. Who knows, but I also don't think the photo was touched. Go Phelps!
I also noticed that his lips were unusually red, maybe their do to him finishing the race with alot of blood rushing to his head and lips. Who knows, but I also don't think the photo was touched. Go Phelps!
After watchingPhelps last night again I don't think he's homosexual, but the media in this country is big on homoerotic images and agendas and I wouldn't be surprised if he's a favorite of the "gay" community and that this is an undertone in the coverage by the media, which is itself homosexual dominated. Hope I'm wrong but I'm pretty jaded from being an observer of the media for a long time. The media is Orwellian and almost always opposed to traditional morality, wholesomeness and truth.
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The red lips might be a side effect of his cardiovascular development. Michael has been an advanced 'breathing trainer' for most of his life. His blood chemistry is undoubtedly quite different from most people. And his body has grown during conditions of hyperoxygenation.
I'm not a doctor, but it sounds like a good enough explanation to me.
I'm not a doctor, but it sounds like a good enough explanation to me.
That could well be as it appears to be an effect that comes and goes.
GWTJ
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Phelps has been dominating Sportscenter like no white athlete since Tom Brady. I'm not going to count Farve since his recent air time was not about anything he did on the field.
Overall, it is good to see young white males looking strong and athletic. I am enjoying the break from the usual portrayal of white males, which is weak, out of shape and moronic.
I didn't even notice the red lips. But I am usually doing something else when I watch tv so I don't pay real close attention unless it is a key moment in the competition.
Overall, it is good to see young white males looking strong and athletic. I am enjoying the break from the usual portrayal of white males, which is weak, out of shape and moronic.
I didn't even notice the red lips. But I am usually doing something else when I watch tv so I don't pay real close attention unless it is a key moment in the competition.
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The swimming has been indeed the early highlight of the gamesso far, the white male athletes are looking great. This is alsotrue in the various rowing races I've been watching late at night. Whites are very well represented in most of the other sports as well, so it's all good.
As for Phelps, I do not believe he's gay, either. But it sure would be nice to see him with a hot girlfriend as soon as possible to squash any potentionalrumors that might exist out there.
As for Phelps, I do not believe he's gay, either. But it sure would be nice to see him with a hot girlfriend as soon as possible to squash any potentionalrumors that might exist out there.
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Foobar75 maybe he can pull a hot European model
ala Tom Brady!
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Where did the picture of the comeback go??
screamingeagle
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The local sports media is claiming that Mike Phelps is overrated. They claim that Jesse Owens ("He dissed Hitler!"..) and Carl Lewis were greater, and that anyone can swim.
I am surprised that Mr. Ocho Cinco is rated higher by these jock sniffers.
I am surprised that Mr. Ocho Cinco is rated higher by these jock sniffers.
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I heard the same thing yesterday on the state's largest radio sports show here. And it's primarily a football program. I think a memo must've gone out yesterday to sports media nationwide.
GiovaniMarcon
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Anyone can swim, eh? Well, anyone can run, too. Who can do so faster and better is what make both sports SPORTS. The fact that these clowns imply that swimming is somehow not difficult should get off their chair and actually try swimming even HALF WAY across an olympic size pool. Then attempt to do what the olympians do -- back and forth, several times, at world class speed.
I'll bet these hosts are fatties, too. Typical, critical, video game playing effete scum.
Ignorance seems to be an acceptable thing, but only when a white athlete gets slapped around.
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I'll bet these hosts are fatties, too. Typical, critical, video game playing effete scum.
Ignorance seems to be an acceptable thing, but only when a white athlete gets slapped around.
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Why is it that world records in swimming of all distances are being destroyed right and left, but not in track? I would imagine swimmers trained just as hard back in Mark Spitz's day and other eras. It can't just be the new swimsuits. The maximum inspeed on landappears to have been reached or very close to it, but not yet in the water. Theories?