MLB 2021 Season

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  1. Carolina Speed

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    I've been hearing about LA Angels Jo Adell for four years. Supposed to take over for Trout in Centerfield someday. So far he hasn't panned out. He hit .161 last year with a -1.3 WAR. Oh well he's only 21. At 21 Trout had led the league in Runs twice, SB's, WAR twice was hitting .323 was the ROY, two time AS and MVP runner up twice.
    Maybe he'll come around this year. The Angels are going to need it.
     
  2. Leonardfan

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    Sounds like another Jason Heyward in the making. Huge hype followed up by mediocre production and ability.
     
  3. ramicackle

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    Jason Heyward has an offensive WAR of 8.6 with the Cubs since including the 2016 season when he signed an 8 year, $184 million contract with Chicago. That is a tremendous amount of money for 8.6 wins.

     
  4. Leonardfan

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    I'll be honest - I don't follow WAR in baseball. Baseball is a game of stats - you can twist them any which way you like - that goes for any of them. If you can remember back when Freddie Freeman and Jason Heyward were coming up with the Braves - it was Heyward getting all the hype while Freeman was treated like a consolation prize. Freeman has been one of the best players in baseball while Heyward has served as an average player never living up to the hype bestowed upon him for being coronated the next black savior in baseball.
     
  5. ramicackle

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    Let me put it this way, over the last 5 seasons Mike Trout has earned his team 27.5 wins offensively, and Jason Heyward has only earned 8.6 wins on offense (this is offense only). Trout makes like $35 million a year and Heyward makes like $23 million a year. Ultimately, this means Heyward provided only 48% the value that Trout did after normalizing for salary. So, Heyward provided $11 million of value while being paid $23 million. Bottom line: Heyward has been a bust for the Cubs.

    WAR is the only stat that matters. It's all about how much money you put in relative to how many wins you get out.

     
  6. Leonardfan

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    Thanks for the explanation. I have heard WAR being thrown around during broadcasts and baseball shows the past few years and I just kind of brushed it aside. I still feel that plenty of other stats are very important in measuring a baseball player's value. We both came to the same conclusion that Heyward is an mediocre to slightly less than mediocre player through two different methods.

    I would think Heyward's WAR would be even less valuable considering the types of players in the lineup - Bryant, Rizzo, Zobrist were the core to the offense and the pitching staff was great for Chicago that year. Does WAR account for those types of variables? Not being facetious - just curious.
     
  7. Flint

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    WAR is pretty simple to understand. Wins Above Average. It’s the number of wins a player would contribute to his team over what a theoretical replacement would contribute.

    The stat is non standard in that different people use different ways to compute it. On the plus side it does factor in ball park effects, position strength, and defense / base running. I think it’s a good measuring stick.
     
  8. ramicackle

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    As a hitter when you are in a lineup with lots of great hitters your WAR (and production) will go up as the good hitters wear down the opposing pitchers and the fielders have to position themselves closer to the bases with runners on. That's why they say "hitting is contagious".
     
  9. Leonardfan

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    Thanks @ramicackle and @Flint - It's wild how these different statistical equations come about and the explosion of analytics in the game.

    I am trying to get back into baseball mode now. I took last year off because of the shortened season which took away early season baseball - I always loved those first few weeks of the season. I've got a decent amount of research to do to get back up to speed on our guys to watch. Another great thing about baseball is you can field an all white fantasy team lol. I hope this site sticks around and we get some more involvement in the baseball thread this year. I will do my best. Looking forward to the season Gents!
     
  10. ramicackle

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    If I had to make an all white fantasy team this is who I would pick if I had 26 roster spots:

    1. LaMehieu, 2B
    2. Trout, CF
    3. Freeman, 1B
    4. Arenado, 3B
    5. Goldschmidt, DH
    6. Bellinger, LF
    7. Harper, RF
    8. Seager, SS
    9. Realmuto, C

    1st SP. deGrom
    2nd SP. Bauer
    3rd SP. Buehler
    4th SP. Kershaw
    5th SP. Snell

    Other bench players:
    Bregman, 3B/SS/2B
    Turner, SS/OF
    Yelich, OF
    Rendon, 3B/1B
    Posey, C

    Bullpen:
    Hendriks
    Cole
    Scherzer
    Verlander
    Paddack
    Musgrove
    Rosenthal

    Note: I consider Yelich, Rendon, and Arenado white. If I met them in real life, I would think of them as white.

     
  11. Leonardfan

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    Yelich isn't white?
     
  12. ramicackle

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    Yelich has some Japanese in him, but he still looks mostly white, so I say he's white enough in my book.

     
  13. Carolina Speed

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    Some 6'6 white monster named DJ Peters went 2-2 with a monster HR today in spring training for the LA Dodgers. They're thinking he may be making his MLB debut this year. I certainly hope so. I'm looking forward to watching this young man!
     
  14. Leonardfan

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    Going through some of the MLB player rankings and trying to compile a few different lists. I was thinking an Under 25 List of players to watch along with a position breakdown of white athletes at each position. These will strictly be lists as I am coming back from a year hiatus from following baseball. What does everyone else thing? I'd like to get the baseball thread to be active this season.
     
  15. Rocky B

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    Go for it LF....
    As a lifetime follower of the Pirates, I know Brian Reynolds and Kevin Newman both hit .300 in their rookie years in 2019....They may be 26 now, but second full year.....
    Kids to root for. Reynolds will start in left.....Newman is fighting for a starting position....
     
  16. Leonardfan

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    Anyone interested in doing a positing listing for the pitchers? I'd like to focus on the position players.
     
  17. Leonardfan

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    2021 MLB Season Player Overview - Position players

    I went through some articles/lists (went through the top 400 listing on MLB.com)/fantasy rankings etc. to try and get a fairly comprehensive list of players to keep an eye on in 2021. If they are listed at more than one position I tried my best to either notate the position or marked them as utility if they are listed to play several positions. I figured this would help for any of you fantasy baseball players out there. The ** next to a player name denotes that the athlete is 25 years or younger going into the season.

    C
    J.T. Realmuto Phillies
    Will Smith Dodgers **
    Sean Murphy A's
    Austin Nola Padres
    James McCann Tigers
    Buster Posey Giants
    Daulton Varsho Diamondbacks (Utility) **
    Mitch Garver Twins
    Ryan Jeffers Twins **
    Danny Jansen Blue Jays **
    Tom Murphy Mariners
    Max Stassi Angels
    Carson Kelly Diamonbacks
    Tyler Stephenson Reds **
    Jacob Stallings Pirates
    Adket Rutschman Orioles **
    Joey Bart Giants **
    Chance Sisco Orioles **


    1B
    Freddie Freeman Braves
    Paul Goldschmidt Cardinals
    Pete Alonso Mets
    Anthony Rizzo Cubs
    Luke Voit Yankees
    Matt Olson A's
    Joey Votto Reds
    Rhys Hoskins Phillies
    Christian Walker Diamondbacks
    Nate Lowe Rangers **
    Max Muncy Dodgers (Infield utility)
    C.J. Cron Rockies
    Evan White Mariners **
    Andrew Vaughn White Sox **
    Bobby Dalbec Red Sox **



    2B
    DJ LeMahieu Yankees
    Cavan Biggio Blue Jays (utility)**
    Brandon Lowe Rays
    Ryan McMahon Rockies (utility)
    Dylan Moore Mariners
    Brendan Rodgers Rockies **
    Mike Brosseau Rays
    Nick Madrigal White Sox **
    Garrett Hampson Rockiers (utility)
    Gavin Lux Dodgers **
    Tommy La Stella Giants (Utility)
    Joey Wendle Rays
    Nick Solak Rangers **

    SS
    Trevor Story Rockies
    Trea Turner Nationals
    Corey Seager Dodgers
    Dansby Swanson Braves
    Jake Croneworth (Utility)
    David Fletcher Angels (utility)
    Paul DeJong Cardinals
    Jon Berti Marlins
    Nick Ahmed Diamondbacks
    Scott Kingery Phillies (utility)
    Nico Hoerner Cubs ** (utility)
    Braden Shewmake Braves **


    3B
    Alex Bregman Astros
    Kris Bryant Cubs
    Matt Chapman Athletics
    Justin Turner Dodgers
    Kyle Seager Mariners
    Alec Bohm Phillies **
    Mike Moustakas Reds (1B)
    Hunter Dozier Royals
    Dylan Moore Mariners (utility)
    Josh Donaldson Twins
    Brian Anderson Marlins
    Evan Longoria Giants
    J.D. Davis Mets (OF)
    Colin Moran Pirates
    Ty France Mariners
    Carter Kieboom 3B Nationals **

    OF
    Mike Trout Angels
    Cody Bellinger Dodgers (1B)
    Bryce Harper Phillies
    Charlie Blackmon Rockies
    Austin Meadows Rays **
    Kyle Tucker Astros **
    Whit Merrifield Royals (2B)
    Jeff McNeil Mets
    Will Myers Padres
    Sam Hilliard Rockies
    Max Kepler Twins
    Ian Happ Cubs
    Andrew Benintendi Royals
    Ryan Mountcastle Orioles (1B) **
    Clint Frazier Yankees
    Chris Taylor Dodgers (Utility)
    Joey Gallo Rangers
    AJ Pollock Dodgers
    Mitch Haniger Mariners
    Brandon Nimmo Mets
    Joc Pederson Cubs
    Kyle Schwarber Nationals
    Adam Eaton White Sox
    Jesse Winker Reds
    Bryan Reynolds Pirates
    Trey Mancini Orioles
    Mike Yastrzemski Giants
    Jarred Kelenic Mariners **
    Austin Riley Braves (3B) **
    Mark Canha A's (1B)
    Austin Hays Orioles **
    Alex Kiriloff Twins **
    Nick Senzel Reds **
    David Dahl Rangers
    Randall Grichuk Blue Jays
    Hunter Renfroe Red Sox
    Adam Duvall Braves
    Alex Dickerson Giants
    Tyler O'Neil Cardinals **
    Corey Dickerson Marlins
    Sam Hilliard Rockies
    Kole Calhoun Diamondbacks
    Austin Slater Giants
    Myles Straw Astros
    Robbie Grossman Tigers
    Lane Thomas Cardinals **
    Adam Haseley Phillies **
    Jarren Duran Red Sox **
    Brandon Marsh Angels **
     
  18. Carolina Speed

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    Thanks Leonardfan.
    Also at SS Bobby Witt Jr., just 20 years old looks MLB ready, but the Royals are loaded in the infield and or have spent too much money on existing players. It looks like another year in the minors unless someone is injured.
    I wish I could get to the pitchers. Just got to much going on right now. If their not done soon, maybe I can work on them later.
    Thanks again.
     
  19. Leonardfan

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    Thanks @Carolina Speed - I was unaware of Bobby Witt Jr. Looks like he has an uphill battle since the Royals have an entrenched latin shortstop - Mondesi who's father was a big league player. I hope Witt passes Mondesi up this year and gets the starting job!

    Here's an article I found on Witt: https://kingsofkauffman.com/2021/03/07/kc-royals-bobby-witt-jr/

    I understand that we all are busy. It took me a couple of weeks just to sit down and hammer this list out. Hopefully someone can help out with the pitching preview. A little help is always appreciated. It always seems it is very few of us making content/doing research (however rudimentary it may be) to provide info on white athletes. That has become one of my frustrations about castefootball. Not enough involvement. This rant is in no way directed at you @Carolina Speed - I am just ranting in general. You do more than your fair share around here!
     
  20. Carolina Speed

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    Witt clobbered a 484-foot HR today, but it seems no matter what he does, he won't supplant Mondesi. Mondesi is only 25. I don't know what these teams are thinking sometimes. I hope Witt doesn't rot in the minor leagues. He hit that HR today off a seasoned MLB veteran. They are projecting him to be up in the majors next year. OK. But where? There doesn't seem to be a spot opening anytime soon in the infield and the OF is solid as well. I guess time will tell.
     
  21. white is right

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    Since he is a shortstop he could in theory play all of the outfield positions plus 3rd baseball seamlessly. He also could fill in at DH too, sometimes when a team has a hot young prospect the veteran is traded away for more pieces. But Mondesi is only 25 and could have a good decade of solid major league play ahead of him.

    I don't know what Mondesi's contractual situation is but if he is up for free agency soon he could be traded for prospects if he and the historically frugal Royals management can't agree on yearly pay and length of contract.

    With the way contract lengths have evolved this could be huge weight on the Royals as aside from their two recent World Series runs they have been a bargain basement thrift store type club that trades and sells of talent before they free agent eligible.
     
  22. Flint

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    That’s some good stuff man, thanks for the hard work.
    Like you I took a year off from baseball with that joke of a season. Maybe this year is back to normal.

    This is a big help for my fantasy draft!
     
  23. Carolina Speed

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    2021 MLB Player Overview-Pitchers
    Jacob deGrom Mets
    Gerrit Cole Yankees
    Shane Bieber Indians
    Trevor Bauer Dodgers
    Walker Buehler Dodgers
    Lucas Giolito White Sox
    Aaron Nola Phillies
    Max Scherzer Nationals
    Clayton Kershaw Dodgers
    Jack Flaherty Cardinals
    Brandon Woodruff Brewers
    Blake Snell Padres
    Zac Gallen Diamondbacks
    Tyler Glasnow Rays
    Lance Lynn White Sox
    Stephen Strasburg Nationals
    Corbin Burnes Brewers
    Sony Gray Reds
    Kyle Hendricks Cubs
    Zack Greinke Astros
    Max Fried Braves
    Zach Wheeler Phillies
    Zach Plesac Indians
    Charlie Morton Braves
    Chris Paddack Padres
    Ian Anderson Braves
    Lance McCullers Astros
    Joe Musgrove Padres
    Patrick Corbin Nationals
    Dylan Bundy Angels
    Corey Kluber Yankees
    Andrew Haney Angels
     
  24. Rocky B

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    Adam Frazier 2B.....Pittsburgh
    Kevin Newman SS....Pittsburgh
     
  25. Leonardfan

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    Thanks CS!
     

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