Japanese Sprinters

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  1. white is right

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    Did Sarms exist 9 years ago? I agree too many guys are running times around the magical 10 barrier which for juniors is still magical.
     
  2. harold

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    read the link above on history of them , gives 1998 as the year for your first basic type.


    then mid 2000's for other types that more specific to building muscle .
    so put it altogether gives them more than long enough to figure how to best use
    by time certain bolt comes along , noticed more androgenic type
    had added offshoot that gave market increase in speed endurance and that could
    be used on younger athletes without any detrimental effects .
    and then with muscle specific sarms complemented them and never need to go
    near steroids for strength gains and cover all variables for sprints .


    can already easily buy online , as for juniors it is beyond obvious that something
    diiferent in the water ,no longer a rarity and as said the consistancy also stands out .



    as stated above for many of them it is key to get them on it when young enough
    as no gaurantee that would be a high per centage fast twitch athlete naturally to varying degrees
    why the rarity before , especially in non black groups afraid this is the reality ,
    also clarify that previously gains in speed would usually come later in career from
    steroid use usually also with heavy lifting ,not even needed now ,why so obviously different .
    obviously assuming here that sports specific exerise is used in conjunction with ,ie no quick fix ,
    still have to sprint train correctly to change over muscle fibre type but will make the progression where most
    previously alot would stall and see no gains in speed no matter how much training do .
    again muscle fibre most plyable at developemental age , if older only can expect similar
    gains if naturally muscle fibre predisposed to high per cent.


    so androgenicity , muscle type and speed endurance
    can be kind of interchangeable .
    any athlete can benefit and get gains in speed
    but never be elite sprinter and to be that need to
    upp androgenicity at correct time as young adult in conjunction
    with explosive sport and will give athlete the correct max muscle type
    that will be able to maintain for alot of carreer and make the elite grade.


    Question , sarms might level playing field in terms of any differences
    in race in the sprints but still the media and society will want
    a 100m that suits there multicultural agenda , so still dont expect any major change come that .
    they make the sprints a level playing field is real main point . intellect overcoming the physical could say.


    and QUESTION ,if differences in androgen receptor occur naturally between athletes will said athletes get more of enhancement ,
    from what seeing no, variables seem to be same ,all can be maxed out and need balance .
    androgenicity ,strength and now extra variable of added height
    that made possible by it .
    to be running 9.58 will need all of them.
     
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  3. harold

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    recent hurdles ,decathlon record all thanks to them
    for sure made jump to speed positions in nfl over past few years and looks like certain quota-back that had background
    in high hurdles is benefiting somewhat from 'em .
    have suspicions that used by british olympic track cycling sprint champion who suddenly developed finishing kick from previous year but sure glad did !!!
    and both 50m and 100m french freestyle swimmers in olympics as know that
    already in use in french track , doesnt take alot to assume jump to other sports where
    deemed useful.




    as for other new peds , gw501516 another receptor modulator is by far the most
    enhancing as seems to complement the energy systems and endurance of 800m the best and when used in combo with others .somewhat lesser but still good (not as good as uncontolled epo use ) with other middle ,longer distance events .
     
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  4. jacknyc

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    Perhaps this is not the appropriate thread for this news...I couldn't find an Asian sprinter thread.....anyway, a Chinese sprinter just set a national record of 10.04. It is also a world leading time in the 100m.
     
  5. white is right

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    I have seen southern hemisphere and Asian sprinters do this before(early in the season). Many in the past have peaked early and performed poorly later in the season. It will be interesting to see if this is the case or will he seriously challenge a sub 10 and a decent placing at the worlds. Here is his profile.......http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/pr-of-china/peimeng-zhang-204706
     
  6. jacknyc

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    WOW!
    Yoshihide Kiryu, a 17yr old HS student from Japan, just equaled the World Junior Record in the 100m - 10.01!

    1 Kiryu Yoshihide 10.03
    2 Ryota Yamagata 10.04
    3 Eriguchi Tadashi 10.15

    p.s. he ran 10.01 in the heats. The times above are from the final with 2.7 wind.
     
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  7. harold

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    it is obvious what is going on ,
    one word sarms ..
    if it looks to good to be true ,it usually is and in track it always is .

    power to the japanese but this is the reality .
    lets see how gemilli and tumi get on in summer .
    especially interested in tumi ,if drops pb by more than .2-.3 obvious whats going on .
    but again behind tumi ,if many others are at it then rules change .
    at least in japanese athletes case ,you do it when he is young so doesnt look obvious and
    any gains put down to youth .
     
  8. jacknyc

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    Definitely PEDs are a huge issue in T&F.
    Still, I have hard time believing a HS kid could be on any type of organized program of PEDs, which is what you would need to compete at this high level.
    He's just fast. He was the World Youth record holder at 16.
     
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  10. white is right

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    All I can say is WTF.....:jaw: He is either the greatest prospect ever or on a new fangled PED routine. A rawboned skinny kid who is about 18 shouldn't be able to run a ten flat. Even Lemaitre was a 10.2 sprinter and that was remarkable for that age.
     
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    Here's a link to the final where he ran 10.03w and 2nd place ran 10.04w.
    This looks like it could be a break out year for Asian sprinting - besides these 2 guys, there's also the guy in China who just ran 10.04. And it's early in the season. There might be 3 sub-10 Asians by the end of the year - Wow!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo1TYuDY0ug
     
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  13. Francois the Postman

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    What is the name of the Chinese athlete?.
     
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    The Chinese sprinters name is Peimeng Zhang. http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/pr-of-china/peimeng-zhang-204706

    Congrats to the Japanese/Chinese for their accomplishments. They seem to be humble and decent sportsmen. I think an Asian sprinter will go sub 10 soon, possibly even this summer. I would like to note however, historically the Japanese haven't been able to run nearly as fast outside of Japan. If they want to win a major event they will most certainly have to. I feel torn right now because on one hand I 'd like to root for an Asian to go sub 10 as it could help to be a caste buster....however with us not really having anyone knocking on the door(beside Lemaitre), I feel it could further set us back. I wish Guliyev would get serious, and I hope Tumi has a great summer. I keep waiting for a Russian/Ukranian/Polish/Czech sprinter to blow it up too. There has to be so much untapped talent there!
     
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    Well the Chinese have a State doping program since the 90s so it's not something strange. Considering the fact that Asian males have in average less testosterone than same women from other races .... then do the math...:icon_wink:
    Chinese athletes are the no1 ginuea pigs in the world for new doping substances for years now....
     
  16. white is right

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    Yes the Chinese have used steroids and other PED's but aside from Liu they haven't produced a sprinter of note. Note they did have a sprinter make the semis in London but it was a 3 semi-final format and he finished dead last in his semifinal.
     
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    This is why nobody wants to take up athletics because when good performances do materialise everyone immediately has to relate it to doping.

    All speculation with regards to Peimeng Zhang is duly noted.
     
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    Yoshihide Kiryu is scheduled to race again this weekend; and an top American sprinter is in the race.
    I'm anxious to see what happens (not much else to look forward to so far this season)
     
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    In Japan?.
     
  20. white is right

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    Yes, Tokyo I think. From what I read it's the stadium that had the greatest long jump duel ever between Carl Lewis and Mike Powell. It's also that stadium that had the memorable 100 final that Lewis won over a shocked field.
     
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    Shota Izuka, another young Japanese sprinter -21 yrs old - ran a world leading time of 20.21 in the 200m yesterday.
    18 yr old Akiyuki Hashimoto was 2nd in 20.35.
    So currently the Japanese have the world leading times in both the 100m and 200m! Amazing.
    With all these young guys, it seems Japan will be a force in the sprints and relays over the next few years.
     
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    Akiyuki Hashimoto (this year)

    100M 10,45 (+0.9) not so good
    200M 20.35 (-0,3) AMAZING !!
     

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