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There's no reason to resent Reggie Bush just because the rest of the draft is full of his kin. He is a remarkable player. I can't think of any other player in this year's draft pool who is better -- least of all that grinning dumbell Vince Young.
I am a Louisianan who was a Saints fan in the 70's and 80's, who has not been a Saints fan for over a decade, due to disillusionment with the demographic makeup of the team roster. But I am fired up about the acquisition of Drew Brees and Reggie Bush. Also, the Saints drafted Mike Haas out of Oregon State (a great receiver who tore up defending National Champs LSU two years ago).
I am a Louisianan who was a Saints fan in the 70's and 80's, who has not been a Saints fan for over a decade, due to disillusionment with the demographic makeup of the team roster. But I am fired up about the acquisition of Drew Brees and Reggie Bush. Also, the Saints drafted Mike Haas out of Oregon State (a great receiver who tore up defending National Champs LSU two years ago).
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Reggie Bush is good. No doubt. I graduated from Matre Dei high school in 2000 and we had a running back who put Reggie to shame.
Allow me to tell you about a player named Matt Grootegond. We played an all black Long Beach poly high school in the CIF chanpionship game and we destroyed them with this player and ONLY this player. We played Reggie Bush's team during summer league and Reggie could not hold a candel to this guy. I am not making this up.
READ THIS http://usc.scout.com/2/300842.html
Date: Sep 30, 2004
In 1998 the Mater Dei Monarchs captured the CIF Div. 1 title behind one of the greatest performances in Southern California high school history as RB/DB Matt Grootegoed was named player of the game on both sides of the ball. The game will be shown on Sunday, October 3rd at 8:00pm on Fox Sports Net 2. Click below for details:
In 1998 the Mater Dei Monarchs captured the CIF Div. 1 title behind one of the greatest performances in Southern California high school history as RB/DB Matt Grootegoed was named player of the game on both sides of the ball.
Long Beach Poly came into the title game as the defending CIF champions after shocking the favored Monarchs the year before in the championship game at the Coliseum. The Jackrabbits were the #2 team in the nation (behind DeLaSalle) and they were loaded with a roster of talented players including CB Darrell Rideaux, WR Kareem Kelly, QB Chris Lewis and LB Dennis Link. Mater Dei featured Grootegoed as well as OL/DL Lenny Vandermade and LB Kevin Mitchell.
The Monarchs started strong with 19 unanswered points in the second quarter and they led at halftime 26-12. Poly mounted a late fourth quarter comeback, including a 37 yard TD pass from Lewis to Kelly, but it wasn't enough as Mater Dei was able to hold on for the 33-26 victory.
During the game Grootegoed carried the ball 33 times for 244 yards and two touchdowns. He also added seven tackles (five solo) along with a TFL and a pass break-up.
Rideaux was named Defensive player of the game for Poly with two tackles, a pass deflection and he also added 97 yards in kickoff returns. We asked Darrell to share his thoughts on the game and it brought back a lot of memories:
"Out of all the games I've played in my life that one might stand out the most because there were so many underlying themes. It transcended the way we look at high school football because there was so much attention paid to this game. You had two powerhouses at the top of their game. The tempo of the game was a college atmosphere with TV and all the media. We were the #2 team in the nation at the time, there was just so much talent on the field.
Everyone knew we were on a crash course to meet the whole season and the odds were on our side heading into the game just like it was the year before for Mater Dei. On paper, we should have run away with this game. You had myself and Kareem Kelly who played at USC, Chris Lewis who went to Stanford, Larry Croom, Dennis Link, we had a lot of guys who ended up playing college football. You can't measure the heart of a Matt Grootegoed though. I've never seen someone in a zone and so focused as he was that night. It seemed like as the game went along he just got stronger and stronger and his teammates fed off that. We just didn't have an answer for him. He changed the dynamic of the whole game.
It was a great coaching job by Bruce Rollinson too. The way he schemed and game planned for us it was as if he was in our locker room. It kept us off balance and it took our offense three quarters to get going, we made a later surge but by then it was too late. While I was at USC I paid Coach Rollinson a visit because I wanted to see how he prepared his team. He embraced me with mutual respect and I really learned a lot from him.
(we asked Darrell to describe a key kickoff return when he almost broke free for a score) It was the kickoff return right after their first score. I had studied their film and noticed that the R3 and L3 guys had a tendency to overpursue so when I took the kick I set that up and hit the seam, all of a sudden the field opened up and I saw nothing but daylight to the end zone. Then a flash came out of nowhere, it was a diving Groots and he actually missed me but the back of my heel clipped his chin and it was just enough to bring me down. I almost stayed up, I stumbled and tried to catch my balance. To this day I still give him a hard time about that play. I should've scored. It was just a great indication of how he played that night, he sacrificed his body to make the play.
It was strange when he first got to USC (I was a year ahead of him) because he was now my teammate but Mater Dei was our primary rival and it was hard at first for me to be his teammate. I mean you have to respect his efforts and it was an honor to play with him but he was just our enemy for so long. At first, whenever we stepped on the field against him it would be on. When Kareem faced him on offense he would try to give that extra effort. On defense I was constantly in his ear reminding him that we had the better team. You know Groots, he would just chuckle and laugh it off. He's so soft spoken.
As we sit here and talk about it all the memories from the game are coming back. I looked forward to that game so much. To be honest, I don't remember any other game from my senior year. It will be emotional to watch."
Mater Dei vs LB Poly will air Sunday, October 3rd at 8:00pm on Fox Sports Net 2 as part of the High School game of the week "Classic" series.
HIGH SCHOOL: He was named to the 1999 USA Today All-USA first team, Parade All-American, Super Prep All-American, Prep Star All-American, Reebok ESPN All-American, The Sporting News Top 101, Prep Star Top 100 Dream Team, Tom Lemming Top 100, Prep Star Western Super 30, Super Prep All-Farwest, Tom Lemming All-West, Long Beach Press-Telegram Best in the West first team, Orange County Register Fab 15 first team, Tacoma News Tribune Western 100, Las Vegas Sun Super 11 first team, Cal-Hi Sports All-State first team, All-CIF Southern Section first team, All-CIF Division I Co-Defensive MVP, Los Angeles Times Glenn Davis Award (as the top Southern California prep football player), Los Angeles Times All-Orange County first team, Orange County Register All-Orange County Defensive MVP and All-Serra League MVP as a senior at Mater Dei High in Santa Ana (Calif.). He made 138 tackles, 6 interceptions (2 were returned for TDs), 7 tackles for losses and 2 forced fumbles as a free safety and ran for 945 yards on 116 carries (8.1 avg) with 14 TDs as a running back (he also played some quarterback early in the season, completing 21-of-41 passes, 51.2%, for 300-plus yards) in 1999. Mater Dei was the CIF Division I co-champion.
As a junior in 1998, he made Student Sports Junior All-American, Cal-Hi All-State first team, All-CIF Southern Section first team, All-CIF Division I Defensive MVP, Los Angeles Times All-Orange County Back of the Year and Orange County Register All-Orange County Defensive MVP. He rushed for more than 1,600 yards with 21 TDs on offense and made 130 tackles, 6 forced fumbles and 3 interceptions on defense in 1998. In the 1998 CIF Division I championship game, which Mater Dei won, he earned Offensive and Defensive Player of the Game honors (he ran for 244 yards, with a 7.4 average, and 2 TDs).
SOOOO WHAT HAPPENED TO GROOTEGONED
he got f**king benched by pete Carrol
OH AND THAT LONG BEACH POLY TEAM.....
In this 2006 draft they sent 12 players to the NFL. We beat them. We were better. Not one of our players was even recruited to play division one football except for Matt. We had it all. When we beat Poly we thought that we would get a chance. We didnt. its so depressing. I wake up at night. Sweathing, wondering what could have happened.
Matt was better then Reggie and definatly better then White he got zero carries for USC. This kind of sh*t makes me sick.
In a private consersation with Matt he told me that he could not play RB for USC because the USC coaching staff would just perfered style of play of "them"... i could feel his pain.
I know and he knows. That if all of us Matre dei guys got on the same team together. We could beat those old poly guys again. The same guys that just got drafted. Darnell Bing, Marcedeess Lewis, Windson Justice, Hershal Dennis. ALL of them. F those guys we beat them before and we could beat them again.
Oh and one more thing. We beat them the next year WITHOUT Matt Grootegond. So we were all good. But he was the best.
Best footballplayer ever...
Allow me to tell you about a player named Matt Grootegond. We played an all black Long Beach poly high school in the CIF chanpionship game and we destroyed them with this player and ONLY this player. We played Reggie Bush's team during summer league and Reggie could not hold a candel to this guy. I am not making this up.
READ THIS http://usc.scout.com/2/300842.html
Date: Sep 30, 2004
In 1998 the Mater Dei Monarchs captured the CIF Div. 1 title behind one of the greatest performances in Southern California high school history as RB/DB Matt Grootegoed was named player of the game on both sides of the ball. The game will be shown on Sunday, October 3rd at 8:00pm on Fox Sports Net 2. Click below for details:
In 1998 the Mater Dei Monarchs captured the CIF Div. 1 title behind one of the greatest performances in Southern California high school history as RB/DB Matt Grootegoed was named player of the game on both sides of the ball.
Long Beach Poly came into the title game as the defending CIF champions after shocking the favored Monarchs the year before in the championship game at the Coliseum. The Jackrabbits were the #2 team in the nation (behind DeLaSalle) and they were loaded with a roster of talented players including CB Darrell Rideaux, WR Kareem Kelly, QB Chris Lewis and LB Dennis Link. Mater Dei featured Grootegoed as well as OL/DL Lenny Vandermade and LB Kevin Mitchell.
The Monarchs started strong with 19 unanswered points in the second quarter and they led at halftime 26-12. Poly mounted a late fourth quarter comeback, including a 37 yard TD pass from Lewis to Kelly, but it wasn't enough as Mater Dei was able to hold on for the 33-26 victory.
During the game Grootegoed carried the ball 33 times for 244 yards and two touchdowns. He also added seven tackles (five solo) along with a TFL and a pass break-up.
Rideaux was named Defensive player of the game for Poly with two tackles, a pass deflection and he also added 97 yards in kickoff returns. We asked Darrell to share his thoughts on the game and it brought back a lot of memories:
"Out of all the games I've played in my life that one might stand out the most because there were so many underlying themes. It transcended the way we look at high school football because there was so much attention paid to this game. You had two powerhouses at the top of their game. The tempo of the game was a college atmosphere with TV and all the media. We were the #2 team in the nation at the time, there was just so much talent on the field.
Everyone knew we were on a crash course to meet the whole season and the odds were on our side heading into the game just like it was the year before for Mater Dei. On paper, we should have run away with this game. You had myself and Kareem Kelly who played at USC, Chris Lewis who went to Stanford, Larry Croom, Dennis Link, we had a lot of guys who ended up playing college football. You can't measure the heart of a Matt Grootegoed though. I've never seen someone in a zone and so focused as he was that night. It seemed like as the game went along he just got stronger and stronger and his teammates fed off that. We just didn't have an answer for him. He changed the dynamic of the whole game.
It was a great coaching job by Bruce Rollinson too. The way he schemed and game planned for us it was as if he was in our locker room. It kept us off balance and it took our offense three quarters to get going, we made a later surge but by then it was too late. While I was at USC I paid Coach Rollinson a visit because I wanted to see how he prepared his team. He embraced me with mutual respect and I really learned a lot from him.
(we asked Darrell to describe a key kickoff return when he almost broke free for a score) It was the kickoff return right after their first score. I had studied their film and noticed that the R3 and L3 guys had a tendency to overpursue so when I took the kick I set that up and hit the seam, all of a sudden the field opened up and I saw nothing but daylight to the end zone. Then a flash came out of nowhere, it was a diving Groots and he actually missed me but the back of my heel clipped his chin and it was just enough to bring me down. I almost stayed up, I stumbled and tried to catch my balance. To this day I still give him a hard time about that play. I should've scored. It was just a great indication of how he played that night, he sacrificed his body to make the play.
It was strange when he first got to USC (I was a year ahead of him) because he was now my teammate but Mater Dei was our primary rival and it was hard at first for me to be his teammate. I mean you have to respect his efforts and it was an honor to play with him but he was just our enemy for so long. At first, whenever we stepped on the field against him it would be on. When Kareem faced him on offense he would try to give that extra effort. On defense I was constantly in his ear reminding him that we had the better team. You know Groots, he would just chuckle and laugh it off. He's so soft spoken.
As we sit here and talk about it all the memories from the game are coming back. I looked forward to that game so much. To be honest, I don't remember any other game from my senior year. It will be emotional to watch."
Mater Dei vs LB Poly will air Sunday, October 3rd at 8:00pm on Fox Sports Net 2 as part of the High School game of the week "Classic" series.
HIGH SCHOOL: He was named to the 1999 USA Today All-USA first team, Parade All-American, Super Prep All-American, Prep Star All-American, Reebok ESPN All-American, The Sporting News Top 101, Prep Star Top 100 Dream Team, Tom Lemming Top 100, Prep Star Western Super 30, Super Prep All-Farwest, Tom Lemming All-West, Long Beach Press-Telegram Best in the West first team, Orange County Register Fab 15 first team, Tacoma News Tribune Western 100, Las Vegas Sun Super 11 first team, Cal-Hi Sports All-State first team, All-CIF Southern Section first team, All-CIF Division I Co-Defensive MVP, Los Angeles Times Glenn Davis Award (as the top Southern California prep football player), Los Angeles Times All-Orange County first team, Orange County Register All-Orange County Defensive MVP and All-Serra League MVP as a senior at Mater Dei High in Santa Ana (Calif.). He made 138 tackles, 6 interceptions (2 were returned for TDs), 7 tackles for losses and 2 forced fumbles as a free safety and ran for 945 yards on 116 carries (8.1 avg) with 14 TDs as a running back (he also played some quarterback early in the season, completing 21-of-41 passes, 51.2%, for 300-plus yards) in 1999. Mater Dei was the CIF Division I co-champion.
As a junior in 1998, he made Student Sports Junior All-American, Cal-Hi All-State first team, All-CIF Southern Section first team, All-CIF Division I Defensive MVP, Los Angeles Times All-Orange County Back of the Year and Orange County Register All-Orange County Defensive MVP. He rushed for more than 1,600 yards with 21 TDs on offense and made 130 tackles, 6 forced fumbles and 3 interceptions on defense in 1998. In the 1998 CIF Division I championship game, which Mater Dei won, he earned Offensive and Defensive Player of the Game honors (he ran for 244 yards, with a 7.4 average, and 2 TDs).
SOOOO WHAT HAPPENED TO GROOTEGONED
he got f**king benched by pete Carrol
OH AND THAT LONG BEACH POLY TEAM.....
In this 2006 draft they sent 12 players to the NFL. We beat them. We were better. Not one of our players was even recruited to play division one football except for Matt. We had it all. When we beat Poly we thought that we would get a chance. We didnt. its so depressing. I wake up at night. Sweathing, wondering what could have happened.
Matt was better then Reggie and definatly better then White he got zero carries for USC. This kind of sh*t makes me sick.
In a private consersation with Matt he told me that he could not play RB for USC because the USC coaching staff would just perfered style of play of "them"... i could feel his pain.
I know and he knows. That if all of us Matre dei guys got on the same team together. We could beat those old poly guys again. The same guys that just got drafted. Darnell Bing, Marcedeess Lewis, Windson Justice, Hershal Dennis. ALL of them. F those guys we beat them before and we could beat them again.
Oh and one more thing. We beat them the next year WITHOUT Matt Grootegond. So we were all good. But he was the best.
Best footballplayer ever...
WOW!! What a post OC. It is why we are here at castefootball. Your story is repeated across the country year after year. It is the same everywhere. It is so sick that white people enable this behavior. Our own people!!! VERY FRUSTRATING!
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Don't forget that one of the primary reasons that Blacks are recruited enmasse by Universities is that its an unquestioned "back door" method to "diversify" their campuses without having a certain ethnic group measure up academically. They use athletics so that they can prove to the rest of the country that they are a diverse campus and they use the myth of the superior Black athlete to keep anyone from questioning their methods for obtaining it.
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Great post OC, it is a shame more white americans turn a blind eye to the unfairness white athletes get. I was hoping Grootegeod was going to get drafted in 2005. He did not and I think he was on the Bucs practice squad for awhile before moving to the Lions and I do not know where he is at now. It is not fair though and I really like how you told us that even Matt acknowledged the caste system...it is real eye opening stuff. I cannot imagine the frustration you, him and all the other Mater Dei football players feel. In some ways it reminds me of the Miami-Ohio St. game where the superior blacks were supposed to run around the slow white buckeyes but it didnt happen that way. I hope some division 1 coach grows some balls and realizes whites can play the game just as good if not better than blacks...and the approach we have to the game is much more pure and we play the game the way its supposed to be played. Once again its a good post OC and I got frustrated reading it myself because it is so wrong. I hope none of those Long Beach Poly guys have success in the NFL.
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I have to say I really enjoyed your post too OC.Keep them coming.Reggie Bush is an outstanding player but he couldn't even win the track title.A white sprinter named Matt Bruno won the California State Championships in both the 100 & 200 meters.Bush finished 3rd.Also,I have seen Bush caught many times in football games.He is not the superman that they make him out to be but we all know how the media goes.I will give him credit though for telling the Saints to draft Hass.The bias against white athletes is just so discouraging these days regardless of if your the best receiver in the country!
Sark6354201
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OC, what an excellent post. I just hope more people come to know of this type of thing and start asking questions. It's alright to ask if Blacks are being discriminated against, but when it comes to Whites, everyone assumes any accusations to be preposterous.
Colonel_Reb
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Great post OC, and one that could be repeated in many other scenarios across the country. It seems hilarious that the USC coaches preferred the black style of play, which was clearly inferior to Matt's. What a shame. I hope he ends up making a decent living somewhere, now that the NFL has Caste him aside.
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Thank you for the post, OC. I think Grootegoed has been totally screwed by the NFL. He was probably my favorite player to watch at USC over the past few years, and it's absolutely criminal that he hasn't gotten a fair shot.
The situation with Mater Dei reminds me of a school in Northern California named De La Salle. They were famed for having a 151-game winning streak from 1991 to 2003. Of course, since it's a mostly white team, they got stereotyped as being "overachievers" and only succeeding due to the genius of their coach. And the only guys who ever got DI scholarships were black players like D.J. Williams, Maurice Drew, Amani Toomer, and Aaron Gibson. Somehow, the white players were all just "overachievers" that weren't good enough to play at the higher level.
Oh, and De La Salle kicked Long Beach Poly's ass, too. But guess which school somehow has more "NFL talent"? Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
The situation with Mater Dei reminds me of a school in Northern California named De La Salle. They were famed for having a 151-game winning streak from 1991 to 2003. Of course, since it's a mostly white team, they got stereotyped as being "overachievers" and only succeeding due to the genius of their coach. And the only guys who ever got DI scholarships were black players like D.J. Williams, Maurice Drew, Amani Toomer, and Aaron Gibson. Somehow, the white players were all just "overachievers" that weren't good enough to play at the higher level.
Oh, and De La Salle kicked Long Beach Poly's ass, too. But guess which school somehow has more "NFL talent"? Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
Colonel_Reb
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I agree with that Kaptain Poop. Maybe Don will put it up there later on. It is a good example of the problem these athletes face.
Very thought-provoking post, OC. Thanks for sharing your experience.
It would make more sense that black players, who physically mature earlier than their white schoolmates, would excel in the high school game but get passed by at the college level by harder-working, more-coachable white players. It is hard to even imagine that great players like OC's teammates fall behind black teammates in D1 programs because the black teammates out-work them or take coaching better.
One explanation is an affirmative action type of effort that Caste Football endorses. Another says that blackstandoutsget inferior coaching in high school, but that doesn't explain why black skill position players from majority-white programs like DeLaSalle's advance. Yet another says that white high school teams play a team game so well that they compete with teams made up of superior black individuals who do not play team ball as well. If that one is true, then why recruit and/or draft players who tend to not be good team-players?
It would make more sense that black players, who physically mature earlier than their white schoolmates, would excel in the high school game but get passed by at the college level by harder-working, more-coachable white players. It is hard to even imagine that great players like OC's teammates fall behind black teammates in D1 programs because the black teammates out-work them or take coaching better.
One explanation is an affirmative action type of effort that Caste Football endorses. Another says that blackstandoutsget inferior coaching in high school, but that doesn't explain why black skill position players from majority-white programs like DeLaSalle's advance. Yet another says that white high school teams play a team game so well that they compete with teams made up of superior black individuals who do not play team ball as well. If that one is true, then why recruit and/or draft players who tend to not be good team-players?
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Great post, OC. But, sadly, it's not an isolated incident.
I think every State and every major city has a program like this. Dominant teams, year-in and year-out, and none of their White players gets a legitimate chance at a D-1 program.
In Georgia, we have The Marist School, an upper-crust private Catholic school that is renowned for its superb academics and its top-notch athletics. Despite its melanin-challenged student body, Marist has been dominant in football for as long as I can remember. They run a modified Wing-T offense that has been their signature for decades.
Marist routinely crushes their jet-black inner-city opponents without breaking a sweat. They literally run roughshod all over "superior" black defenses, yet I cannot remember the last time one of their "speed position" players went to a D-1 program. (Predictably, they send several offensive lineman to major programs to block for their "betters.")
Which school is the Mater Dei or Marist of your town?
I think every State and every major city has a program like this. Dominant teams, year-in and year-out, and none of their White players gets a legitimate chance at a D-1 program.
In Georgia, we have The Marist School, an upper-crust private Catholic school that is renowned for its superb academics and its top-notch athletics. Despite its melanin-challenged student body, Marist has been dominant in football for as long as I can remember. They run a modified Wing-T offense that has been their signature for decades.
Marist routinely crushes their jet-black inner-city opponents without breaking a sweat. They literally run roughshod all over "superior" black defenses, yet I cannot remember the last time one of their "speed position" players went to a D-1 program. (Predictably, they send several offensive lineman to major programs to block for their "betters.")
Which school is the Mater Dei or Marist of your town?
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Thanks for your replys. It makes me feel better to know that people can relate to my experience. The problem reguarding Matt Grootegond was in that he was not allowed to play the position that he excells at in college. He is not a linebacker. He played it a bit in high school but he was really a true running back. Morevover, his playing time was limited at USC even at this undesirable postition.
Had a black guy single destroyed the nations #2 team by himself through his running tallent then there is not doubt that he would be recruited as a Running Back. Also, understand that college scouts listed him as a linbacker despite the fact that his primary position was running back.
Ok he was voted Offensive and Defensive MVP of that game but he was not even the best linebacker on our team.
Here is a list of other OC teams that have won CIF. Beating LA inner city teams like LB Poly, Compton, and Banning every year. Unfortunatly LB Poly sends more players to the NFL then any other high school in the nation. No matter how bad the OC boys beat them.
OC Teams (Best in Southern California)
1) Mission Viejo high school
2) Los Alamitos high
3) Mater Dei Catholic high school.
3) Huntington High
4) Thousand Oaks high school (not in Orange County)
Had a black guy single destroyed the nations #2 team by himself through his running tallent then there is not doubt that he would be recruited as a Running Back. Also, understand that college scouts listed him as a linbacker despite the fact that his primary position was running back.
Ok he was voted Offensive and Defensive MVP of that game but he was not even the best linebacker on our team.
Here is a list of other OC teams that have won CIF. Beating LA inner city teams like LB Poly, Compton, and Banning every year. Unfortunatly LB Poly sends more players to the NFL then any other high school in the nation. No matter how bad the OC boys beat them.
OC Teams (Best in Southern California)
1) Mission Viejo high school
2) Los Alamitos high
3) Mater Dei Catholic high school.
3) Huntington High
4) Thousand Oaks high school (not in Orange County)
yeah and that's where Matt is now: backup LB on Lions roster, who only saw action in 3 games last season, his first in the NFL... so he is obviously too talented to keep out of NFL but once he's in he's reduced to benchrider...
Sark6354201
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Don't any of the white athletes on these teams speak out against this type of behavior or percieved discrimination? If I were in that position, I would get together with those who agreed with my viewpoint and start making a lot of noise.Blogs, e-mails, posters, anything to get the word out and start peopling talking.
Southern Knight said:
In Texas, it is Southlake Carroll in the DFW area and Katy in the Houston area. These two teams have won 5 of the last 6 5A State Championships. SL Carroll's record for the last 4 years is 63-1. Neither team starts more than two black kids and all of their top players are white. A lot of their kids end up at Division 1 schools, but they are typically the lower tiered schools like TCU, Rice, Tulsa, etc.
BTW, good post OC.Edited by: SteveB
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We should start a trend listing the best high school programs in the nation. We should compare the number recruited to play out of those schools vs. the number recruited out of second tier inner city school. The numbers would be SHOCKING
Ted Ginn, Troy Smith, and Donte Whitner all went to Cleveland Glenville HS an all black h.s. Their players always get tons of scholarship offers and yet they have never even made it to a state championship game(made to semis in 04 but lost). Yet the big white private schools like St. Eds and St. Ignatious that beat Glenville practiacally every year and have great win-loss records only get about half the scholarship offers Glenville gets. It's not about your win loss record its about your skin color in the eyes of college scouts.
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I cant stand Troy Smith...all the talk of him being this year's vince young really makes me mad. He wont have Carpenter, Hawk, Kudla and Schlegel on defense this year though.I really hope some HS players start coming out and speaking of the injustices talented white players encounter jsut so it gets into the public view.
Jimmy Chitwood
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excellent post. just excellent.
sadly, this happens all over the country on a regular basis.
but we have to keep standing up for our guys, because sooner or later someone will break through.
I have a dream that my white children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
- not quite martin luther king, jr.
I have a dream that my white children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
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"I really hope some highschool kids come out and talk about this injustice"..."all these kids that are discriminated against should put up blogs and send emails"...yadda yadda yadda
If you want to tackle something you see as a social injustice then you need to bloody well initiate it at the ground level.
Last time I was on this board I suggested something about a "Caste Title IX"...a couple months ago I think it was. Somebody said it would be unamerican to force colleges to recruit White kids.
You don't need force, but rather shame.
YOU NEED A MEDIA CONTRIVANCE TO FORCE IDIOTS TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT RACIALISM AND PROFILING WORKS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS!!!!!
Put together some evidence, a couple hard-luck stories about poor lower-middle-class White and Latino and whatever kids getting the shaft from College Scouts. Throw up a bunch of dust...use the right language...lose the actual litigation...win the war of public sentiment.
Rosa Parks, Title IX, Stonewall, Brown v Board of Education 1954, Scopes 1925, Mexicans marching through the streets 2006...same sh*t.
If you want to tackle something you see as a social injustice then you need to bloody well initiate it at the ground level.
Last time I was on this board I suggested something about a "Caste Title IX"...a couple months ago I think it was. Somebody said it would be unamerican to force colleges to recruit White kids.
You don't need force, but rather shame.
YOU NEED A MEDIA CONTRIVANCE TO FORCE IDIOTS TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT RACIALISM AND PROFILING WORKS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS!!!!!
Put together some evidence, a couple hard-luck stories about poor lower-middle-class White and Latino and whatever kids getting the shaft from College Scouts. Throw up a bunch of dust...use the right language...lose the actual litigation...win the war of public sentiment.
Rosa Parks, Title IX, Stonewall, Brown v Board of Education 1954, Scopes 1925, Mexicans marching through the streets 2006...same sh*t.
Problem: The first quarterback taken in the 2006 NFL draft was
a non-senior with poor throwing mechanics and the IQ of a
shoe.
Hypothesis: To replace McNair with a white QB could be
construed as racist. (racist by media standards)
Observations: 1. Blacks have a free pass to complain via the
American media regarding ANY perceived racism. 2. Vince
Young's draft status is primarily based on one game. 3. The
community of Tennessee is acclimated to a black QB.
Conclusion: The Titans HAD to draft young to avoid a scandal. I
don't think they were working alone either. It would not surprise
me that the NFL pointed out this situation to them. The draft is a
farce.
Recommendations: Boycott all products that are endorsed by
the NFL
a non-senior with poor throwing mechanics and the IQ of a
shoe.
Hypothesis: To replace McNair with a white QB could be
construed as racist. (racist by media standards)
Observations: 1. Blacks have a free pass to complain via the
American media regarding ANY perceived racism. 2. Vince
Young's draft status is primarily based on one game. 3. The
community of Tennessee is acclimated to a black QB.
Conclusion: The Titans HAD to draft young to avoid a scandal. I
don't think they were working alone either. It would not surprise
me that the NFL pointed out this situation to them. The draft is a
farce.
Recommendations: Boycott all products that are endorsed by
the NFL
JerveyGotGypped said:
Who is going to publicise the injustice other than us? Maybe we should go on the Lawrence Zeiger(Larry King) show. You bring up Rosa Parks etc. But those cases all had major orgs backing them up (NAACP and so forth). You say "win the war of public sentiment". That is exactly what Don is trying to do with this site. With the absence of a powerful pro White lobby the type of lawsuits you are advocating are very unlikely unless there is some rich racially aware parent's child who is discriminated against in the recruiting process. Even then, they would probably just walk on at the school of their choice and have their parents pay the tuition.