Wladimir Klitschko vs. Alexander Povetkin
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white is right
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6 to 1 seems generous for Wlad backers. I would say about 12 is right. I recall a recent Klitschko championship fight being longer than that. I'm not sure if it was Vitali or Wlad though. Of course Mike Tyson was 45 to 1 to beat Douglas and we know how that turned out....
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...Of course Mike Tyson was 45 to 1 to beat Douglas and we know how that turned out....
As they say, nothing is certain except death and taxes!
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Uncle Teddy just gave the kiss of death to Povetkin.......:thumbdown:http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkboxing/post/_/id/4884/atlas-likes-povetkin-to-knock-out-klitschko For the lurkers and members run to the nearest Western Union wiring service and bet with an online bookie for a Klitschko win.......
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Uncle Teddy just gave the kiss of death to Povetkin.......:thumbdown:http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkboxing/post/_/id/4884/atlas-likes-povetkin-to-knock-out-klitschko For the lurkers and members run to the nearest Western Union wiring service and bet with an online bookie for a Klitschko win.......
Ya know, I had almost forgotten that Povetkin was mixed up with that pyschopathic criminal. I would like to take advantage of those 1-6 odds those bookie crooks are offering but they are such crooks - look at the odds spread! They are almost one one billionth as crooked as a politician.
Are you familiar with the bookies? Which is a good one? And how will I get my winnings? And will they dispense with the formalities and just send me my winnings right now? I'll settle for 1-3 if they pay me off right now.
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Look at this. This bookie is down to 5 to 1!
http://www.bookmaker.net/live-lines/boxing
Here's another one that *I think* - but don't know - is supposed to be OK. I'm not sure if the first one works the USSA - also like 5-1 odds - I think because I don't really know how to read their odds code - and why are the odds going down? Are they planning some monkey business?
[url]http://www.pinnaclesports.com/ContestCategory/Boxing/Lines.aspx
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http://www.bookmaker.net/live-lines/boxing
Here's another one that *I think* - but don't know - is supposed to be OK. I'm not sure if the first one works the USSA - also like 5-1 odds - I think because I don't really know how to read their odds code - and why are the odds going down? Are they planning some monkey business?
[url]http://www.pinnaclesports.com/ContestCategory/Boxing/Lines.aspx
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Pinnacle is the best book operation on the net. They have the smallest vig about half the standard vig. They are a book that takes Americans you will need to wire them money via Western Union. Any cheque cashing store front will have this service. Western Union does take something like 10 bucks minimum so you have to factor that in if you are only going to bet 100 dollars or less. The local seedy bookie hardly takes bets on boxing these days unless he is a "friend" or a boxing fan/freak.
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Too much trouble, White, and even if I put a thousand $ on Wlad I'd only win a hundred something. If I could do it via credit card I might, but I can't, can I?
But what do you make of those odds, less than 5 to 1 now and shrinking whereas I would think it should be more like 50 or 100 to 1? Do you think they're planning some monkey business?
But what do you make of those odds, less than 5 to 1 now and shrinking whereas I would think it should be more like 50 or 100 to 1? Do you think they're planning some monkey business?
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Late money in any sporting event usually means pro or insider knowledge. What that means in this fight who knows. I do recall Holyfield bettors pounding his odds down from 25 to 1 to about 8 to 1 when he fought Tyson in their first fight. But that seemed more people betting very long odds off of the initial line. Ps Americans can only send money through snail mail to offshore bookies or Western Union or maybe Fed Ex. Maybe your best bet is the seedy bookie down the street....
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I have no intention on putting any money on Atlas' protoge Povetkin, and I'm not really interested in messing around with bookies. I think that Wlad should be as close to a sure thing as sure things come on this planet - but the odds have shrunk a little bit again this morning, down from 4.9 to 4.8, and if Povetkin was mixed up with Atlas I figure he was also mixed up with the mob - and if there was to be some sort of weird upset they could make huge money with a Moscow rematch - tho I'm sure Wlad would never deliberately throw a fight - so what's up?
Current odds:
http://www.pinnaclesports.com/ContestCategory/Boxing/Lines.aspx
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Around 2010, I was placing bets through a site called "5Dimes" (www.5dimes.com).
How it worked is you send them money via Western Union to Panama (or maybe it was Peur, I forget), then you receive these funds in your account and you can now place bets with your money. You have to chat with one of their sales reps on the site's online chat and they will give you a name and location where to send the money. Once you send the money it takes about 4 or 5 hours for it to show up in your account. You can send up to 5,000$.
In 2010, I wired over about 500$ into my account and I played with that money for about a year, probably made 20 to 30 different wagers in total, all on different boxing fights, some I won, some I lost. Then about a year later, I pulled out all the money in my account, and it was roughly 500$. 5Dimes sent me the money back within the same day as I requested via Western Union. So, for safety, reliability, and fair betting I would certainly recommend 5Dimes based on my own experience. They always pay up and have one of the best reputations online. The "juice" that they charge is pretty decent too. Some sportsbooks may charge less juice, but I question whether their reputation for fair gambling is also there.
So, over gambling on boxing for 1 year I never really made any money and I never really lost any money. I basically just didn't change my money. I learned from that and if I was gambling today I probably would gain money much easier.
Some things I learned based on my gambling experience (for me personally):
- Don't play over/under on rounds, they're a waste of time and it's hard to accurately predict how long the fight will go. I lost quite a bit of money on these. If I didn't play them I would have had marginal gains to my money.
- Don't bet too much on one fight. They say if you wager more than 20% of your money on a single play, you're putting too much on the line.
- One thing I've learned being a boxing fan for many years: Hometown or Homecountry advantage. Here's the thing with boxing: When a fighter is fighting in his country or city, the judges will almost always tend to favour him. The sportsbooks generally do not take this into account in boxing. So, always keep this in mind as a "legup" over the sportsbook.
- Lastly, there's a lot of shady decisions in boxing, and usually its the boxer with the best promoter or manager connection that is the beneficiary of such decisions. You should factor this into your wager. Once again, this is something the sportsbook generally does not account for, so it's an opportunity for the well-versed gambler.
How it worked is you send them money via Western Union to Panama (or maybe it was Peur, I forget), then you receive these funds in your account and you can now place bets with your money. You have to chat with one of their sales reps on the site's online chat and they will give you a name and location where to send the money. Once you send the money it takes about 4 or 5 hours for it to show up in your account. You can send up to 5,000$.
In 2010, I wired over about 500$ into my account and I played with that money for about a year, probably made 20 to 30 different wagers in total, all on different boxing fights, some I won, some I lost. Then about a year later, I pulled out all the money in my account, and it was roughly 500$. 5Dimes sent me the money back within the same day as I requested via Western Union. So, for safety, reliability, and fair betting I would certainly recommend 5Dimes based on my own experience. They always pay up and have one of the best reputations online. The "juice" that they charge is pretty decent too. Some sportsbooks may charge less juice, but I question whether their reputation for fair gambling is also there.
So, over gambling on boxing for 1 year I never really made any money and I never really lost any money. I basically just didn't change my money. I learned from that and if I was gambling today I probably would gain money much easier.
Some things I learned based on my gambling experience (for me personally):
- Don't play over/under on rounds, they're a waste of time and it's hard to accurately predict how long the fight will go. I lost quite a bit of money on these. If I didn't play them I would have had marginal gains to my money.
- Don't bet too much on one fight. They say if you wager more than 20% of your money on a single play, you're putting too much on the line.
- One thing I've learned being a boxing fan for many years: Hometown or Homecountry advantage. Here's the thing with boxing: When a fighter is fighting in his country or city, the judges will almost always tend to favour him. The sportsbooks generally do not take this into account in boxing. So, always keep this in mind as a "legup" over the sportsbook.
- Lastly, there's a lot of shady decisions in boxing, and usually its the boxer with the best promoter or manager connection that is the beneficiary of such decisions. You should factor this into your wager. Once again, this is something the sportsbook generally does not account for, so it's an opportunity for the well-versed gambler.
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I really have zero interest in gambling with pros like bookies or casinos, because the odds are rigged and the skim off money from the top and make money no matter what happens. The bookies have their spread or vig or juice or whatever they call it. I'll bet with another guy but I'm not interested in playing in a rigged game.
The odds are dropping as I look at them, down to 4.6 for Wlad now.
The odds are dropping as I look at them, down to 4.6 for Wlad now.
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Years ago I invented a system for winning at the race track and I actually came out ahead, even though they skim so much off the top. My system had logistical problems though. If I had someone with inside knowledge of the race track, like how to place large bets at the very last minute without attracting unwanted attention, I think I could have done much better.
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At today's weigh-in, both Wlad and Povetkin behaved like champions, displaying mutual respect and good sportsmanship.
[video=youtube;FpVGUEIHBrM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FpVGUEIHBrM[/video]
[video=youtube;FpVGUEIHBrM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FpVGUEIHBrM[/video]
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Not everybody is as classy as Wladimir and Povetkin:
Riddick Bowe @riddickbowe
Cant get excited about klitsco povekin. Dontay Wilder would destroy both when does he get his shot. @bronzebomber Bowe
Bowe couldn't even spell "Klitschko", "Deontay" and "Povetkin" correctly. :grin:
Riddick Bowe @riddickbowe
Cant get excited about klitsco povekin. Dontay Wilder would destroy both when does he get his shot. @bronzebomber Bowe
Bowe couldn't even spell "Klitschko", "Deontay" and "Povetkin" correctly. :grin:
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Look at some of the photos on his twitter account. He looks like a Special Olympian these days and sounds like one too...
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Based on the weigh in and body language of both fighters, I feel a route and KO by Wlad by the 5th round. Povetkin looks like the Pillsbury Dough boy with a strawberry blonde mop on. Wlad, well looks like Wlad, the Destroyer. You would think Povetkin would come into this major fight looking in tip top shape. But no, he comes in looking like a smaller White Arreloa. He is getting bombed out.
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Streams for Klitschko-Povetkin
This one will likely show several undercard fights, starting early in the afternoon Eastern time: http://kaban.tv/rossiya-1-online
Some of these will show undercard fights: http://livelooker.com/en/ (click on "box" on the left on fight day and boxing links will appear)
BoxNation English language streams here starting at 3 PM Eastern time, but will just show main event and Masternak-Drozd: http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/857...nd-Fighting-Weekly-Schedule-(1st-Oct-7th-Oct)
Should be many links here on Saturday morning: http://www.viplivebox.eu/sports/boxing.html
And more here: http://firstrownow.eu/sport/boxing-wwe-ufc.html
So there are the links, reposted so they'll be easier to find. The televised undercard starts on BoxNation at about 10 AM Pacific, 1 PM Eastern, 18:00 BST, 19:00 CET, and 21:00 Moscow time. The Russia 1 telecast will start even earlier and show the Chudinov and Chakhkiev fights.
The main event is at about 12:30 Pacific, 3:30 PM Eastern, 20:30 BST, and 21:30 CET, which is 23:30 Moscow time.
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Looks like BLACKSTAR Bowe is completely shot from the Golota fights.
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It's nearly 6 PM in Moscow, the first fight will be starting in a few hours. Here's a video of the weigh-in including the undercard fighters:
[video=youtube;qEOkPWY3QAQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qEOkPWY3QAQ[/video]
[video=youtube;qEOkPWY3QAQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qEOkPWY3QAQ[/video]
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I'm not the only one who's noticing.
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/late-money-flowing-in-on-povetkin-227994
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/late-money-flowing-in-on-povetkin-227994
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Some pre-fight thoughts ahead of today's heavyweight championship fight:
You know, it's great to see two White, European fighters fighting each other in such a major, history-making, and utterly epic match. This fight is massive. In terms of revenue generated, it is the second biggest fight of the year (behind Mayweather/Alvarez), but in terms of global exposure and audience size it is by far the biggest fight of this year, and probably the biggest fight since Wladimir Klitschko beat David Haye back in July 2011. Carcharias has noted above that this fight is being broadcast in essentially every single country in the world. The audience scale will be massive, certainly much larger than any fight of this year.
So, this is a huge fight, arguably the biggest fight of the year, certainly one of the top-2 fights of the year, and what's interesting is that it's occurring outside of the USA, involving two non-Americans. The fight involves two White, European boxers and that is totally indicative of the direction the sport of boxing is going in (and has been for the better part of 15 years now)! I'm having flashbacks to Joe Calzaghe VS Mikkel Kessler just thinking about this fight! If you don't know, that was another superfight between White Europeans back in 2007 (in that fight, of course, experience beat youth)!
Now, as for a prediction on today's heavyweight championship fight:
I see a lot of people talking about some sort of "easy win" for Wladimir Klitschko. Hmmm, personally I don't see it, as good as Wladimir is. Alexander Povetkin is a very skilled fighter. We should acknowledge that Povetkin is an Olympic Gold Medalist and one of the best super heavyweight amateurs in recent years (in fact, in terms of strictly amateur results, his record is better than Wladimir's). I followed Povetkin when he initially turned pro back in 2004/2005, and his rise in the pro's has also been impressive. He is undefeated and has recorded his most impressive wins over Ruslan Chagaev (W 12), Eddie Chambers (W 12), and Marco Huck (W 12). Povetkin has also recorded some highlight reel type knockouts in fights with contenders Cedric Boswell (KO 8) and Teke Oruh (KO 5).
Wladimir Klitschko of course has been "the man" at heavyweight since about 2005/2006 now, and in historical terms is probably the most dominant champion we've ever seen at heavyweight in boxing history (more than 100 years). Wladimir has frightening size, amazing jab, right, and hook, and hits with uncomparable power. He really is one of the best (if not, the best) heavyweights in history. Wladimir has recorded many significant wins in his career, over David Haye (W 12), Chris Byrd (W 12, KO 7), Sam Peter (W 12, KO 10), Tony Thompson (KO 11, KO 6), Ruslan Chagaev (KO 9), and Sultan Ibragimov (W 12).
I predict an 11th round TKO win for Wladimir Klitschko. In some ways, I think this fight will be similar to Wladimir's fight with Ruslan Chagaev back in 2009, where you had a smaller, skilled fighter, be outstrengthened and outsmarted by Wlad, and eventually stopped. Wlad has that size and power advantage and he also has expert boxing know-how. Now, I also think there is a chance at upset for Povetkin. Povetkin is a very good fighter in his own right and if he could manage to win a few rounds, with the fight being in Russia, we might see some judges being "generous" to Povetkin.
Ultimately I hope for fair officiating in this fight!
You know, it's great to see two White, European fighters fighting each other in such a major, history-making, and utterly epic match. This fight is massive. In terms of revenue generated, it is the second biggest fight of the year (behind Mayweather/Alvarez), but in terms of global exposure and audience size it is by far the biggest fight of this year, and probably the biggest fight since Wladimir Klitschko beat David Haye back in July 2011. Carcharias has noted above that this fight is being broadcast in essentially every single country in the world. The audience scale will be massive, certainly much larger than any fight of this year.
So, this is a huge fight, arguably the biggest fight of the year, certainly one of the top-2 fights of the year, and what's interesting is that it's occurring outside of the USA, involving two non-Americans. The fight involves two White, European boxers and that is totally indicative of the direction the sport of boxing is going in (and has been for the better part of 15 years now)! I'm having flashbacks to Joe Calzaghe VS Mikkel Kessler just thinking about this fight! If you don't know, that was another superfight between White Europeans back in 2007 (in that fight, of course, experience beat youth)!
Now, as for a prediction on today's heavyweight championship fight:
I see a lot of people talking about some sort of "easy win" for Wladimir Klitschko. Hmmm, personally I don't see it, as good as Wladimir is. Alexander Povetkin is a very skilled fighter. We should acknowledge that Povetkin is an Olympic Gold Medalist and one of the best super heavyweight amateurs in recent years (in fact, in terms of strictly amateur results, his record is better than Wladimir's). I followed Povetkin when he initially turned pro back in 2004/2005, and his rise in the pro's has also been impressive. He is undefeated and has recorded his most impressive wins over Ruslan Chagaev (W 12), Eddie Chambers (W 12), and Marco Huck (W 12). Povetkin has also recorded some highlight reel type knockouts in fights with contenders Cedric Boswell (KO 8) and Teke Oruh (KO 5).
Wladimir Klitschko of course has been "the man" at heavyweight since about 2005/2006 now, and in historical terms is probably the most dominant champion we've ever seen at heavyweight in boxing history (more than 100 years). Wladimir has frightening size, amazing jab, right, and hook, and hits with uncomparable power. He really is one of the best (if not, the best) heavyweights in history. Wladimir has recorded many significant wins in his career, over David Haye (W 12), Chris Byrd (W 12, KO 7), Sam Peter (W 12, KO 10), Tony Thompson (KO 11, KO 6), Ruslan Chagaev (KO 9), and Sultan Ibragimov (W 12).
I predict an 11th round TKO win for Wladimir Klitschko. In some ways, I think this fight will be similar to Wladimir's fight with Ruslan Chagaev back in 2009, where you had a smaller, skilled fighter, be outstrengthened and outsmarted by Wlad, and eventually stopped. Wlad has that size and power advantage and he also has expert boxing know-how. Now, I also think there is a chance at upset for Povetkin. Povetkin is a very good fighter in his own right and if he could manage to win a few rounds, with the fight being in Russia, we might see some judges being "generous" to Povetkin.
Ultimately I hope for fair officiating in this fight!
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Chakhkiev won by 10th round KO.
Chagaev won by UD.
Masternak-Drozd coming up, anthem on now. Whenever I hear the Polish national anthem, I always thing of the Hussars charging into the Ottoman army and saving Vienna.
Working stream here: http://www.viplivebox.eu/boxing/181...ld-heavyweight-titles-live-stream-online.html
Nice clear Polish stream here: http://agentc-2.hosting.parking.ru/agent7.php
Chagaev won by UD.
Masternak-Drozd coming up, anthem on now. Whenever I hear the Polish national anthem, I always thing of the Hussars charging into the Ottoman army and saving Vienna.
Working stream here: http://www.viplivebox.eu/boxing/181...ld-heavyweight-titles-live-stream-online.html
Nice clear Polish stream here: http://agentc-2.hosting.parking.ru/agent7.php
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