Will it Ever Change?

[ToughJ.Riggins]

I haven't been posting because I have been very busy lately. I have also become disenchanted with the situation at hand. Jacob Hester not getting a single carry when Sproles struggled against Pittsburgh when he had looked good in previous weeks. A drunken white fan commenting on a message board calling for Peyton Hillis's role as a short yardage/ 3rd down RB for next year despite how well he played in an offense tailor made for him. Or Toby Gerhart somehow ranked 23rd and Jake Sharp ranked 28th at RB by NFLdraftscout for 2010. There are loads of guys in these two's conferences with worse stats and measurables ranked way above them.

Gerhart is listed as running a 4.55; which is a pretty impressive time for a power RB his size, #2 overall and Power RB Beanie Wells runs a 4.53 and fared no better stat wise in the Big 10 in the best seasons in his career vs. Gerhart. Shonn Greene, ranked 4th overall for this year, runs a 4.58.

For next year Cedric Scott runs a 4.6 flat. Cedric Scott had basically identical stats to Gerhart with a better offense to work with and is a similar player, but is ranked 3rd by NFLdraftscout and Gerhart is ranked 23rd. Gerhart has a slightly better burst and is a little better at breaking tackles, but Scott might juke a little better in the open field.

Another fellow Pac 10 Power RB LeGarrette Blount only runs a 4.58 and is listed as the 2nd best RB overall for 2010.

Jake Sharp's stats were better than at least a few guys in his conference with worse stats ranked ahead of him and Sharp also recently ran a 4.38 40 yard dash for coaches at Kansas. He should be ranked in the top 15 RBs for 2010 for sure. I would have Sharp ranked somewhere between 5 and 10 and Gerhart ranked between 3 and 5 overall at RB. I continue to be disappointed.

Someday a want to write a book on this, but I have been too busy lately to post and research.

It doesn't matter what a white man does it isn't enough. If you're black and run for 1,000 yards in the FBS on 5 YPC even if you can't crack 4.65 in the 40 it's good enough to get a look by the NFL (Mike Hart 4.67 etc. etc.). If you're white it could be 2,000 yards on 7 YPC with a legit 4.4 40 and it still is probably not enough.

 

[Don Wassall]

Sports Illustrated this week has an article entitled "Home Grown," with the sub-head "As USC has shown, signing the top local and in-state talent is the foundation for a college powerhouse."


I didn't read the article as the title is valid enough but I'm sure the content isn't, as there is a startling map that accompanies the article that speaks volumes. It takes upa full page and a third of a second page and it breaks down every county in the U.S. by how many recruits it has produced for the BCS conferences and Notre Dame from 2004 through 2008. The counties are color coded, with gray being no recruits from those years, up to dark red for those counties producing the most, from150 to 320 recruits.


The dark red counties are exactly where one would expect: the ones encompassing large cities with big black populations such as Houston, Dallas, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Atlanta, Birmingham, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, D.C., L.A.


What stands out is that the vast majority of counties are gray -- not a single recruit to a big program over a five-year period. These are Small Town America counties -- which produce plenty of high-quality White high school football players, yet virtually none of them are getting an opportunity at the level that produces almost all NFL players. The main exceptions are Southern counties, which often have a large black population.


This map is a great illustration of the Caste System in black and white (and red and gray). How much longer will the NCAA'swhites-need-not-apply Jim Crow recruiting system be allowed to continue without a well-funded legal challenge?

 

[Electric Slide]

I haven't been posting because I have been very busy lately. I have also become disenchanted with the situation at hand. Jacob Hester not getting a single carry when Sproles struggled against Pittsburgh when he had looked good in previous weeks. A drunken white fan commenting on a message board calling for Peyton Hillis's role as a short yardage/ 3rd down RB for next year despite how well he played in an offense tailor made for him. Or Toby Gerhart somehow ranked 23rd and Jake Sharp ranked 28th at RB by NFLdraftscout for 2010. There are loads of guys in these two's conferences with worse stats and measurables ranked way above them.

Tough J., I think we need to not let ourselves get down on this. As I have mentioned this before, these are just people making the decisions. They don't have a magic wand, and nobody has the power to stop our movement if WE REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. Remember, they didn't turn it very black over night, and when it was all-white they didn't just give up in protest. They slowly got coaches in their with their point of view, combined with doing the same thing in other institutions. This is the way we need to do it. If it's going to happen, we need patience, endurance, and a firm belief in what we are doing to make it happen. We need more coaches who feel our way in high school, more teachers, more school board members, more college athletes, more grad-student assistants on teams, etc. who hold our beliefs that good recruits can be found anywhere, and people should be given a fair shot based on productive ability, not mythical qualities or by skin-color.

This should be done on two fronts. Caste Football is the site that proclaims our belief outright. But we should have another sports site that is more clandestine, which slowly changes the paradigm over time. Remember, this is what Rivals is doing. They don't specifically say "We promote black athletes." So we should make a counterpart to Rivals that is fair in our opinion, but not specifically say it is promoting white athletes, because then it will be discredited.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Very good post Don. It never matters what a white skill player does. And if they are from a rural area and break records and play a skill position FBS recruiters won't even come to look at them. They'll just claim the competition is too weak as an excuse even when they will recruit white QBs and o-lineman from that same area. This is even when Black guys are occasionally recruited to Division I who play 8 man football in high-school. West Virginia single season H.S rushing record breaker Jordan Roberts was from West Virginia and there are very few players recruited from that state. As we know West Virginia is a very white state. But a black lineman was recruited from the state.

Jake Sharp wasn't even supposed to be a starter for Kansas. Mark Mangino basically said he had his mind made up that he was a role player when they brought him in. This was despite Sharp leading Kansas State in rushing as a Senior in H.S and running for 10.8 yards a carry and running a 10.4x 100 meter.

If a white RB is a big power runner like Gerhart than he isn't shifty enough; although Gerhart is very nimble for a big runner. If he is very shifty like Sharp or McGuffie than he is too small or not powerful enough or ESPN will outright lie as they did with McGuffie and say "takes too long to put together moves", "a bit of a straight-lined guy" "many of his traits lead you believe he's an over-achiever". The fans are like Sheeple and buy into these "experts" analysis.

ESPN lied about Brandon Wegher this year and stated "there isn't much wiggle" and "not a very creative runner". And so it continues and continues...

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

I haven't been posting because I have been very busy lately. I have also become disenchanted with the situation at hand. Jacob Hester not getting a single carry when Sproles struggled against Pittsburgh when he had looked good in previous weeks. A drunken white fan commenting on a message board calling for Peyton Hillis's role as a short yardage/ 3rd down RB for next year despite how well he played in an offense tailor made for him. Or Toby Gerhart somehow ranked 23rd and Jake Sharp ranked 28th at RB by NFLdraftscout for 2010. There are loads of guys in these two's conferences with worse stats and measurables ranked way above them.

Tough J., I think we need to not let ourselves get down on this. As I have mentioned this before, these are just people making the decisions. They don't have a magic wand, and nobody has the power to stop our movement if WE REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. Remember, they didn't turn it very black over night, and when it was all-white they didn't just give up in protest. They slowly got coaches in their with their point of view, combined with doing the same thing in other institutions. This is the way we need to do it. If it's going to happen, we need patience, endurance, and a firm belief in what we are doing to make it happen. We need more coaches who feel our way in high school, more teachers, more school board members, more college athletes, more grad-student assistants on teams, etc. who hold our beliefs that good recruits can be found anywhere, and people should be given a fair shot based on productive ability, not mythical qualities or by skin-color.

This should be done on two fronts. Caste Football is the site that proclaims our belief outright. But we should have another sports site that is more clandestine, which slowly changes the paradigm over time. Remember, this is what Rivals is doing. They don't specifically say "We promote black athletes." So we should make a counterpart to Rivals that is fair in our opinion, but not specifically say it is promoting white athletes, because then it will be discredited.

Another great post. Yeah we really need the movement to grow to change things. I have been disenchanted lately, but I think more people have woken up, but most still have not. There needs to be a best selling book written on this topic by a mainstream writer who is not considered a white nationalist. I agree that if the writer had written lots of pro-white articles before and openly said he cheered for white athletes than they may take his book as biased.

The movement needs to grow to bring in people of all political viewpoints. A book needs to be written and more websites need to talk about the systematic racism at hand. When the movement becomes mainstream only than can we challenge Rivals, ESPN and other racist sites view points.

 

[Don Wassall]

This should be done on two fronts. Caste Football is the site that proclaims our belief outright. But we should have another sports site that is more clandestine, which slowly changes the paradigm over time. Remember, this is what Rivals is doing. They don't specifically say "We promote black athletes." So we should make a counterpart to Rivals that is fair in our opinion, but not specifically say it is promoting white athletes, because then it will be discredited.

Doesn't Draft Daddy already serve that purpose by being objective in its evaluation of white football players and often having biting comments disparaging media outlets that engage in knee-jerk negative stereotyping of them?

 

[Electric Slide]

Doesn't Draft Daddy already serve that purpose by being objective in its evaluation of white football players and often having biting comments disparaging media outlets that engage in knee-jerk negative stereotyping of them?

Good point Don, Draft Daddy does seem to be more fair and point out irrational criticism of white athletes. It would be great if we can make an HS sports network like Rivals, but give more fair analysis. We would need a good mathematician and statisticians, etc. We couldn't just have every black ranked lower than on other sites, and every white ranked higher. We would have to do it in a subtle way so the MSM couldn't detect a pattern, and if they did accuse racism we could point out how irrational and paranoid they are for even claiming it.

Better yet, if we can get some of our members into the MSM to subvert their anti-white policies in collusion with our recruiting ranking network it would be more beneficial!

 

[Fightingtowin]

This post gets me so pissed and fired up. You just broke it down perfectly. I hope this site can reach the mainstream because those facts don't lie.

 

[dwid]

I haven't been posting because I have been very busy lately. I have also become disenchanted with the situation at hand. Jacob Hester not getting a single carry when Sproles struggled against Pittsburgh when he had looked good in previous weeks. A drunken white fan commenting on a message board calling for Peyton Hillis's role as a short yardage/ 3rd down RB for next year despite how well he played in an offense tailor made for him. Or Toby Gerhart somehow ranked 23rd and Jake Sharp ranked 28th at RB by NFLdraftscout for 2010. There are loads of guys in these two's conferences with worse stats and measurables ranked way above them.

Gerhart is listed as running a 4.55; which is a pretty impressive time for a power RB his size, #2 overall and Power RB Beanie Wells runs a 4.53 and fared no better stat wise in the Big 10 in the best seasons in his career vs. Gerhart. Shonn Greene, ranked 4th overall for this year, runs a 4.58.

For next year Cedric Scott runs a 4.6 flat. Cedric Scott had basically identical stats to Gerhart with a better offense to work with and is a similar player, but is ranked 3rd by NFLdraftscout and Gerhart is ranked 23rd. Gerhart has a slightly better burst and is a little better at breaking tackles, but Scott might juke a little better in the open field.

Another fellow Pac 10 Power RB LeGarrette Blount only runs a 4.58 and is listed as the 2nd best RB overall for 2010.

Jake Sharp's stats were better than at least a few guys in his conference with worse stats ranked ahead of him and Sharp also recently ran a 4.38 40 yard dash for coaches at Kansas. He should be ranked in the top 15 RBs for 2010 for sure. I would have Sharp ranked somewhere between 5 and 10 and Gerhart ranked between 3 and 5 overall at RB. I continue to be disappointed.

Someday a want to write a book on this, but I have been too busy lately to post and research.

It doesn't matter what a white man does it isn't enough. If you're black and run for 1,000 yards in the FBS on 5 YPC even if you can't crack 4.65 in the 40 it's good enough to get a look by the NFL (Mike Hart 4.67 etc. etc.). If you're white it could be 2,000 yards on 7 YPC with a legit 4.4 40 and it still is probably not enough.

the Jacob Hester thing really did piss me off. And i know it pissed alot of LSU fans off too that arent quite aware of the caste system. Some have said he might be to slow but all you have to point to is guys like lendale white and leron mclain running the ball.
He ran for over 1,000 yards in one of the toughest conferences in college football (most people will say THE best but i dont know about that) and was the captain/leader of a team that won the national championship. He wore 18, whoever wears 18 on LSU is considered the best leader. This year Richard Dickson the te switched to it but is no where the leader Hester was. I know ppl say it doesnt matter what he did in college, well thats partially true, but he did acheive alot, so why not give him a chance? if he was black he would have gotten it. Especially when alot of teams in the SEC he went against have either gone on to the NFL or will in the future.
Darren Sproles up against a physical team getting no yards and Hester doesnt get the ball at all? Really? When you need a tough runner who can grind the ball out are the coaches really that ignorant to not give Hester the ball who is perfectly capable of getting at LEAST 3 or 4 tough yards per carry. It was cold and i think snowing if i recall, his running style wouldve been perfect for that situation. I mean Sproles is a good role player, a good scat back who can occasionally break off a good one, good on little dump off passes and screens. He reminds me of a smaller version of Reggie Bush, who hasnt been that good of a true RB in the NFL but is good at other things, returns, passes out of the backfield and used as a decoy, maybe occasionally doing good running in between the tackles if the run blocking is good enough and he has a big enough hole to run through, which the Saints arent too good at, probably because his hesitation and dancing around, doesnt hit a small hole with authority. IMO Chargers run blocking is far superior so Sproles has the advantage. They had nothing to lose in the game by giving Hester a few chances being that Sproles only got like 15 yards on 11 carries. You can't get much worse than that. It was obvious he was never going to succeed against a defense like pittsburgh unless it was as a change of pace runner and catching a few passes out of the backfield. What they needed was a power runner, and they had him, and just left him there to block for a guy who did nothing. I think a good scenario is what the Saints did with Deuce Mcallister and Reggie Bush. They could switch things up between Jacob Hester and Darren Sproles, cuz theres no way Sproles can be a feature back for a whole 16 game season and actually be effective. Even Reggie Bush is constantly getting little nagging injuries.

As for Hillis only being a short yardage/3rd down back. Did they watch the games he played in? Theres no way he should be in that role. Mike Alstott shouldve never been in that role either and I think Peyton Hillis looked way more athletic than Alstott. I think he could have a great career if he is used as a true RB, he showed alot of promise, I thought he looked better than most RB's currently starting in the NFL. I was thinking Hester would be the better runner being that i am an LSU fan, but Hillis looked way more impressive, although Hester hasnt really had a chance to show his ability in the NFL. The few games he was the featured runner that was the highlight of my week to be able to watch. I am very superstitious though, my friend said i should buy a jersey, and i said, if i did that hed probably get injured, 10 minutes after that he caught that pass and hurt himself. I also feel like i jinxed Mcguffie by buying a Michigan hat. Another reason i think Hillis got jinxed was his youtube highlight with the eminem song, one of the verses in the chorus says "until my leg gives out" I am rambling like i so often do, sorry.
The point is, a great deal people from Louisiana are waking up to the caste system.
Its not hard to especially around New Orleans because the blacks here are scum and times are hard, no one wants to see overpaid scumbags who half ass it most of the time while they struggle just to make ends meet. I just hope other places will wake up too and not buy into the propaganda that a player isnt good or fast enough and it was "different in college" I think RB seems like one of the easiest positions to transition from college to pro at.

The only way i see a White guy getting a fair shot without having to go through all the bs is if he had the size and power of Tim Tebow/Peyton Hillis/Brandon Jacobs with the moves/speed of Barry Sanders or even Mcguffie.

Hillis doesnt have the moves of Barry Sanders, but for a guy of his size and power he is very nimble and very athletic/fast, has all the tools you need to be a pro bowl RB. He is our best hope for right now.Edited by: dwid

 

[Riddlewire]

Hillis doesnt have the moves of Barry Sanders...

Yes he does. They're just buried under the 40 extra pounds he's put on since high school to please his idiot coaches.
Ok, not "Sanders" moves. But certainly NFL caliber agility. Easily the equal of at least a third of the starting tailbacks in the NFL right now. Since his future is in doubt now with a new coach coming in, Peyton ought to spend the offseason slimming down and speed-training.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Those were another good two posts. I didn't mean to start another one of these pessimistic threads. I just couldn't believe that Hester got zero carries in that game. He looked great at the end of the regular season. Hester also looked great (I think it might have been the 1st playoff game; the Colts game) at the end of the game when he was clearly just there to run out the clock. The entire Colts team was fired up to stop him and he still made some nifty moves and powered his way to almost 5 yards per carry.

On Hillis: He certainly has NFL caliber agility. Hillis could be a slower version of Steven Jackson. I would say Hillis' agility is equal to Jackson; better than Lendale, Jerome Bettis, Ryan Grant and many others considered great at one point or another. Hillis is also the cream of the crop in power. Hillis' vision is also very elite. He has absolutely got to lose weight and try to get back down to 4.5 in the 40 again. That's the only thing these jerks can hold against him because his burst is impressive. If the coaches don't like him losing weight he should tell em to F off. If he isn't allowed to at least be in the running to share carries next season with another runner after what he did he should think about filing a lawsuit against the this NUTTY Football League.

On Barry Sanders: I have never seen anyone move like him; Gale Sayers is the closest thing. But there are some white guys right up there in agility. McGuffie certainly compares to NFL elites like Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk, DeAngelo Williams etc. And McGuffie's 15 yard burst might be the best I've ever seen.

Rice U might be a good thing for him. Take a year off; add 10 pounds and do a lot of training and hope that his concussions aren't a reoccurring problem. He should refuse to return kick-offs because of the concussions. I am hoping what I read on another message board is true that McGuffie had only two slight concussions and that this 3 idea was just an error by RR or him just being a raving lunatic.

Sam has to get more acclimated to his offensive line at Rice and learn how to lean forward when he senses a big hit is coming. McGuff could be our guy to break through; he is that good. I saw some definite signs even in that hell hole of a season at Michigan.

 

[guest301]

Welcome back ToughJRiggins!

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Thank You for the welcome back! You're always a welcomed poster here too guest301. I just took some time off from posting I needed a breather and have been very busy! I'm also planning for my move back to Canada and me and my girl's wedding this summer!

 

[johnnyboy]

ToughJ,

maybe we should start "spamming" all FBS and FCS1 coaching staffs in the nation with articles and profiles of the top white talent. maybe we could get a couple of schools to atleast take a look at some guys that aren't getting any love. do you think it might be worth it?

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Maybe if you know their e-mails, but I think they might just delete it as garbage from "non-experts". We certainly couldn't tell them we're from this site. I'm sure college coaches have heard of and hate this site because in their hearts many know the truth; that they are part of a lie and this site tells the truth about the NFL, Rivals and ESPN.

I try to convince people by occasionally posting a short article or just some stats on other mainstream boards to try to make people take their blinders off; slowly it will start to make a difference. You can't present yourself as pro-white to these other sites though. I do cheer for white athletes more because they're underdogs and I'm proud of my heritage (which specifically manifests itself in sports). And I cheer for east Asian and Native American football players as a close second.

But I try to be as objective as possible. For instance; If I were ranking Toby Gerhart and Jake Sharp for this years draft (I know they haven't declared; just speaking theoretically); I would probably have Gerhart 5th and Sharp 8th. My top 10 RBs 1. Knowshon Moreno 2. LeSean McCoy. 3. Chris Wells. 4. Shonn Greene 5. Toby Gerhart 6. Donald Brown 7. Jeremiah Johnson. 8. Jake Sharp. 9. Rashad Jennings 10. Glen Coffee.

I'd probably have Eric Kettani and Tyler Roehl ranked between 10-15 and Nate Kmic and Stan Zwinggi ranked somewhere between 13-18. I might add Brock Bolen as a HB ranked between 20-25 depending on what he runs at the combine. So realistically because of lack of whites present and competition level; I'd only have 4 white RBs in my top 20 for this draft year. Sad I know.

I believe Jake Sharp could be the legit #1 RB in my rankings next year if he has a break out year statistically by playing the whole year and by improving his patience and vision as a runner; he's got all the tools. But lets face it if we were to rank college RBs fairly most years a black would be #1 currently just by sheer numbers of them and their statistics.

 

[white is right]

If Gerhart is being ranked as late pick ie 6th round or 7th rounder there really isn't much hope for white backs, unless the guy is big freak of nature who is major D1 programs feature back. To me Gerhart off this season should be a potential day 1 pick(late 2nd or 3rd rounder)or at worst round 4 pick. As for Sharp he is very small and being white that will be held against him. The best thing for prospects like Gerhart, would be to have Hillis rush for 1k yards next season. This could prove that guys with similar body types could put up similar yards.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

white is right, Jake isn't that small. KU's website has him listed at 5-10, 190. Certainly not as small as some of the afro-runts running around the NFL.

 

[white is right]

The last feature backs I recall that had those dimensions was the original TD(Tony Dorsett)and "Sweetness". Both are black obviously but they both played in eras with much smaller players. Tre Smith had similar dimensions to Sharp and the NFL scouts ignored his ability. The last white back with that build that played in the NFL is probably Gill Fenerty.

 

[Gi-15]

Tre started 1 or 2 games and ran a 4.52. Jake is a way better prospect

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

The last feature backs I recall that had those dimensions was the original TD(Tony Dorsett)and "Sweetness". Both are black obviously but they both played in eras with much smaller players. Tre Smith had similar dimensions to Sharp and the NFL scouts ignored his ability. The last white back with that build that played in the NFL is probably Gill Fenerty.

white is right,

i would urge you to read the following piece i wrote up.
Too small? Or too white? it can also be found on the front page here at Caste Football.

it thoroughly disproves the notion that backs of Sharp's size are too small to play at the Division I or NFL level, because literally hundreds of them are playing and having success.

 

[white is right]

I never said that he is too small to play D1 ball. Maybe you though I implied that, what I really meant his size(really his girth) will be held against him at the NFL level. When pro scouts look at white running back prospects they pretty much discount average size backs even if they have tremendous production.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Yes, white backs, especially smaller ones, suffer untold discrimination. Edited by: Colonel_Reb

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Yeah I'd say the average height for an NFL RB is about 5'10 or 5'11 tops. Sharp is right there in height; he is 5'9.7 according to NFLdraftscout. At 190 lbs he might want to add 5 or 10 lbs of muscle for the next level, but his height is absolutely adequate. He also has blazing speed and ran a 4.38 40 recently at Kansas!

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I never said that he is too small to play D1 ball. Maybe you though I implied that, what I really meant his size(really his girth) will be held against him at the NFL level. When pro scouts look at white running back prospects they pretty much discount average size backs even if they have tremendous production.

I agree if you are talking about white backs of average size, but not backs in general.


We'll see if the NFL discounts all of these average sized black backs.


Devin Moore 5-10, 191


Noel Devine 5-8, 170


Victor Anderson 5-9, 182


Jahvid Best 5-10, 193


Michael Smith 5-7, 174


Considering that Jake isn't in the NFL yet and hasn't yet gained the weight of an NFL player, think about these undersized backs who made it to the NFL.


Steve Slaton 5-9, 203


Brian Westbrook 5-10, 203


Warrick Dunn 5-9, 187


Darren Sproles 5-6, 181

 

[white is right]

Devine will be interesting to see he seems to be black version of Sharp.(Actually he is even smaller)Edited by: white is right