Matt_Bowen_Fan
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To be fair to Reed, he had just played a defensive series, returned the punt for a TD, and was going back out on defense again.
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I don't know what the exact percentages of serious injuries are by race, but Caste System lore holds that white football players are easily injured and it has at times seemed that way at least with white receivers, so if blacks are being injured at a rate equal to or above their percentage of the league (and I believe that's the case andthey're not up to80 percent yet), then that's a positive development from the perspective of rebutting the "blacks as superior athletes" mythology. Maybe it also shows that whites are better conditioned than blacks on average and are playing smarter these days rather than engaging in the kamikaze style of play expected of them as "overachieving high motor guys with tight hips and limited athleticism."
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From September 17, 2007 edition of Sporting News:
"The Jets are in trouble at left guard. They wouldn't rework Pete Kendall's contract and then traded him without having a viable replacement. Adrien Clarke started the opener and didn't hold up. Losing Kendall also could be affecting LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who is struggling. Ferguson had leaned on Kendall's experience . . ." (p. 39)
Anybody know what the caste evaluation of Pete Kendall was while with the Jets? Blue collar? Overachiever?
Isn't D. Ferguson the much-hyped super-athletic 1st round draft pick? The next superstar?
By the way, is it just my perception or has Sporting News been quite white-friendly lately? White players on last few covers. Peyton Manning #1 and Tom Brady #2 best players in NFL.
"The Jets are in trouble at left guard. They wouldn't rework Pete Kendall's contract and then traded him without having a viable replacement. Adrien Clarke started the opener and didn't hold up. Losing Kendall also could be affecting LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who is struggling. Ferguson had leaned on Kendall's experience . . ." (p. 39)
Anybody know what the caste evaluation of Pete Kendall was while with the Jets? Blue collar? Overachiever?
Isn't D. Ferguson the much-hyped super-athletic 1st round draft pick? The next superstar?
By the way, is it just my perception or has Sporting News been quite white-friendly lately? White players on last few covers. Peyton Manning #1 and Tom Brady #2 best players in NFL.
A small but hopeful sign is found in The Sporting News' "midseason all-NFL team," which instead ofutilizing the time-honored Caste technique of picking the same group of vastly over-rated veteran blacks to dominate the offensive line positions, is beginning to recognizethat the best offenses in the NFL are powered by white dominated lines.
Seven of the 10 offensive linemen named by TSN are white, quite a refreshing change. In the AFC, T Matt Light of the Patriots, G Ryan Lilja of the Colts, G Alan Faneca of the Steelers, and C Jeff Saturday were all named starters. In the NFC, T David Diehl of the Giants, G Steve Hutchinson of the Vikings, and C Shaun O'Hara of the Giants were selected.
Now if this season'sPro Bowl actually moves away from electing the same old "highly venerated" players for the o-line and some of the above players or other dominating white linemen make it, we'll know for sure progress is being made.Edited by: Don Wassall
Seven of the 10 offensive linemen named by TSN are white, quite a refreshing change. In the AFC, T Matt Light of the Patriots, G Ryan Lilja of the Colts, G Alan Faneca of the Steelers, and C Jeff Saturday were all named starters. In the NFC, T David Diehl of the Giants, G Steve Hutchinson of the Vikings, and C Shaun O'Hara of the Giants were selected.
Now if this season'sPro Bowl actually moves away from electing the same old "highly venerated" players for the o-line and some of the above players or other dominating white linemen make it, we'll know for sure progress is being made.Edited by: Don Wassall
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Don Wassall said:
I totally agree with that. We'll see what happens.
One great offensive team that has emerged this year is the Cleveland Browns. They have an all-white offensive line and of course Joe Jurevicius at WR. 7 of the 11 starters on offense are white. The success of teams with white offensive lines IMO has been the caste story of the year.
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"The success of teams with white offensive lines IMO has been the caste story of the year."
Excellent point, Kaptain. The teams with the best offenses (Pats, Colts, Browns) always have a white O-line. While the worst offenses usually are majority black (Jets, Falcons, Rams, Bills). Hopefully some of the mentally challenged coaches, GM's, and media members will finally wake up to reality.
Excellent point, Kaptain. The teams with the best offenses (Pats, Colts, Browns) always have a white O-line. While the worst offenses usually are majority black (Jets, Falcons, Rams, Bills). Hopefully some of the mentally challenged coaches, GM's, and media members will finally wake up to reality.
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I know at one time the Pro Bowl was voted by players and coaches. As the NFL has gotten blacker friends of the Reuben Brown's of the world have grown. Now I think fans have half the votes. But having a bunch of twelve year olds voting is maybe more stupid.......Don Wassall said:
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Concerning the effectiveness of white O lines, the 49ers and Raiders have majority white lines and those offenses have been pretty weak. Also, I thought the Rams O line was still pretty white.
Still, its pretty clear that on average a white dominated O line is the route to victory, a black dominated line the route to offensive failure.
Still, its pretty clear that on average a white dominated O line is the route to victory, a black dominated line the route to offensive failure.
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Just took a quick look at the above teams. The Rams (biggest disappointment this year) have a black LT, RT, and RG as well as the starting TE - pretty black.
The 49ers I believe have two black offensive linemen, TE, FB, TB, and recievers - fairly black.
The Raiders have only one black offensive lineman. Unfortunetly, they have Fumblepepper at QB so it doesn't matter.
Madden is justifiably giving the all white Patriot offensive line a lot of credit tonight. I haven't seen Kelsay and Schobel contained so well all season.
The Buffalo offensive line, with its one white starter, looks quite inferior to that of New England. Buffalo's black laden line is fat, slow, and quite subpar.
The entire nation is witnessing what we all are well aware of.
The Buffalo offensive line, with its one white starter, looks quite inferior to that of New England. Buffalo's black laden line is fat, slow, and quite subpar.
The entire nation is witnessing what we all are well aware of.
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Yeah, it's not a perfect correlation but it's a pretty darn strong one. The Rams have invested high draft choices on sumos in recent years (along with constantly injured veteran Orlando Pace) and are paying the price for it now. The Steelers lost to the 1-8 Jets on Sunday because their mostly black offensive line was horrible, just horrible. Pittsburgh is only in contention because Ben Roethlisberger is very elusive, great at sensing pressure, and can make play after play after his initial protection breaks down. He may be the league MVP to this point but Big Ben is going to get hurt this way given the beating he takes every game.
The Steelers are making a big mistake by letting all-time great Alan Faneca become an unrestricted free agent after this season. Next season their offense may look and play a lot like that of Buffalo or St. Louis. Edited by: Don Wassall
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The Steelers line is bad this year mainly because Russ Grimm, long time Steelers line coach, and pro bowl lineman himself, left the Steelers for the Cardinals.
It does not have much to do with black linemen. This line is very close to the line that won a Superbowl.
It does not have much to do with black linemen. This line is very close to the line that won a Superbowl.
ToughJ.Riggins
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Nevada, I've seen some great black offensive tackles here and there (like Ogden for example), but the black Sumo guards and centers are slow and ineffective and there's a lot of them in the league. They can't get down field and run block either!
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I've been looking at scouting reports of Saints offensive tackle Trevor Penning, who was drafted by the Saints in the first round. The consensus of the internet scouts is that he will not be able to play left tackle in the NFL and should play right tackle or guard.
They claim he lacks the athleticism of the black offensive tackles, lacks change of direction ability and is stiff. They cite the one on ones at the senior bowl in which he was bull rushed several times.
His RAS indicates he's more athletic than all the black offensive tackles in the draft. Anyone who does as well as he did in the 3 cone and 20 yard short shuttle has good change of direction ability. When I hear a white player called stiff it just means that they don't think they look pretty when they're playing.
As far as being bull rushed the issue was his hand placement being too wide. Apparently these critics think he can't possibly learn to play with his hands more inside.
The Saints have offensive line coach Doug Marrone and the recently retired Zach Strief. They thought Penning was worth a first rounder. I'll trust those guys over these internet scouts.
Penning looks to me to be a future Pro Bowler, after he works on his mechanics.
They claim he lacks the athleticism of the black offensive tackles, lacks change of direction ability and is stiff. They cite the one on ones at the senior bowl in which he was bull rushed several times.
His RAS indicates he's more athletic than all the black offensive tackles in the draft. Anyone who does as well as he did in the 3 cone and 20 yard short shuttle has good change of direction ability. When I hear a white player called stiff it just means that they don't think they look pretty when they're playing.
As far as being bull rushed the issue was his hand placement being too wide. Apparently these critics think he can't possibly learn to play with his hands more inside.
The Saints have offensive line coach Doug Marrone and the recently retired Zach Strief. They thought Penning was worth a first rounder. I'll trust those guys over these internet scouts.
Penning looks to me to be a future Pro Bowler, after he works on his mechanics.