White Flight?

[Guest]

Are we seeing the start of an ominous trend? It used to be that European players would go back if they washed up or weren't getting playing time, but now they seem to be going simply for more money, based on the weak dollar and strong euro.

So far this summer, three big-name international players (Jorge Garbajosa, Juan Carlos Navarro, & Carlos Delfino) have taken contracts in Europe.

Today it is reported that Lakers guard Sasha Vujacic, a restricted free agent, is prepared to leave the team and accept an offer from a European team in the next few days if the Lakers don't make him an offer he deems fair.

We may be looking at a much darker NBA in the next few years. So far, the European clubs are just picking off mid-level free agents (including some black Americans), but many clubs have "superstar" budgets and no salary caps, so it seems inevitable that they will start poaching all-star players soon enough.

 

[KG2422]

Those leagues aren't making money and those new owners will tire of wasting their money. But even if the trend does continue and those leagues become profitable. It's not all bad. European leagues could rise to be considered the equals of the NBA. In that case black supremacist myth will have been dealt a severe blow among our kinsmen across the pond.

 

[Guest]

Actually I was wondering if the opposite would start to happen. Will European teams fill up with black Americans who are only bench players in NBA basketball? With 18 year old black Americans who do not want to play NCAA basketball?

 

[KG2422]

Josh Childress will not dominate Euro ball. I don't think that scenario will happen.

 

[mrjohnnynofear]

Childress will be a average player. But I think alot of people are underestimating the rise of the euro currency. I personally can't fault him, Euros are at a all time high. He'll make 7 million euros (right at $11 million dollars) after taxes. I'm sure that will change alot of players minds (especially native Europeans) into coming to play Euro basketball. But the thing that worries me is that possibly more average african american players will go over to Europe and play ball and drive out authentic Europeans. I know in alot of soccer leagues in Europe, you can only use 3 non EU players. Is it the same in basketball? Again I still think that the rise of the Euro currency could change the landscape in the years to come if it stays ahead of the dollar. Heck InBev just brought out Anheuser Busch here in St. Louis like it was nothing. I wonder...

 

[Guest]

Who cares about Josh Childress? What about the other 100 NBA bench players who stand to make more money in Europe?

Every single year there are five 18 year old black Americans who have no interest in NCAA basketball and would rather just go directly to the NBA. Because this is illegal now, they have already started to go play in Europe.

European basketball could easily turn into a minor league for black Americans.

 

[KG2422]

Most leagues have limits on how many Americans or foreigners each team can have if I remember correctly.

 

[devans]

European players may also be going back to Europe because they are more likely to get the playing time and recognition that they merit.

 

[aussieaussie31]

On a side note. They tried filling Australia's Basketball teams with 2nd rate black Americans. Attendance dropped four consecutive years. Sydney just filed bankruptcy as well. Several other teams have folded this year as well. There is talk of suspending the leauge due to lack of revenue.

 

[Guest]

Would it be possible in Australia, or even legal, to set up segregated basketball leagues? I think it would be legal in America, but to tell you the truth, I'm not sure. It might break some federal law even here in the "land of the free."

 

[white is right]

Most leagues have limits on how many Americans or foreigners each team can have if I remember correctly.

Also if you don't produce they cut you quickly if you are a foreigner.

 

[guest301]

Would it be possible in Australia, or even legal, to set up segregated basketball leagues? I think it would be legal in America, but to tell you the truth, I'm not sure. It might break some federal law even here in the "land of the free."

A all-white league would never happen but a all-black league would be just fine with the powers that be. It's the same way you would never have a Mrs. White America contest or fund a scholarship for only white kids. Only minorities get to do those type of things. But the good news is white people will be a minority soon in this country and we might get a chance someday to do those things.

 

[mrjohnnynofear]

Cleveland Cavs player Delonte West is debating on a possible move to a Russian League.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/6117

Cavs' Delonte West is the Latest NBA Player to Consider European Move
Submitted by Julie on July 25, 2008 - 10:59am. Cleveland Cavaliers Cleveland Teams More Sports NBA News Sports
Cleveland Cavaliers' guard Delonte West is tagged a "restricted free agent" in the NBA, which has thus far scared off any potential suitors inside the the league. Outside of the league, however, it appears that at least an offer has been made. A source close to West spoke with Yahoo! Sports, revealing that West is in talks with the Russian basketball team Dynamo Moscow for a two-year, $10 million offer.

If West receives no offers in the NBA, he could sign with the Cavs at their qualifying offer of $2.76 million, and then become an unrestricted free agent after the 2008-2009 season. Or, he could avoid all that, head to Europe, and rake in the cash.

Should West decide to head East, he wouldn't be the first NBA player to do so in recent weeks. Atlanta Hawks free agent Josh Childress signed a three-year, $20 million contract with Olypiacos of Greece just this week. One week ago Dynamo nabbed New Jersey Nets forward Bostjan Nachbar with a $14.3 million, three-year contract. Golden State Warriors center Andris Biedrins is also considering playing in Europe, and an agent for forward Carl Landry of the Houston Rockets said he's also looking East for offers.

This summer alone four international players who have played in the NBA have taken up offers to play in Europe, including: Juan Carlos Navarro, Jorge Garbajosa, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, and Carlos Delfino.

 

[Charlie]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/29/sports/hockey/29hockey.htm l

Hockey too. Which puts the American professional leagues in a difficult position. Unlike American football other countries are good at baseball, basketball and hockey. So how can the NBA and others claim to have the best leagues if they don't actually play against other leagues?

MLS is more clever in this regard. Having the all-stars play West Ham, having a team based in Mexico and having matches with Mexican league teams. The MLS may have no other choice but to admit it's not a top league and make a long term effort to improve via exposure to better leagues.

The NBA's Stern is very coy about any interaction with Euro leagues. A few exhibitions maybe, but nothing that would bring into doubt the alleged superiority of the NBA product.

 

[Guest]

Great points, Charlie. I suspect that is the reason why some people are saying that if we don't get gold this summer, we should stop sending our NBA all-stars to play in the Olympics and World Championships.

It is a total and complete cop-out, and is always accompanied by a list of lame excuses. At heart, it is an avoidance mechanism, trying to prevent the universal recognition of the obvious fact that the NBA produces bad basketball. Great spectacle, but bad basketball.

Some good news today regarding White Flight though, as the Golden State Warriors paid through the nose to keep A. Biedrins.It would have been real depressing to lose that up-and-coming talented White player to a foreign league.

 

[Liverlips]

I just hope a white team beats "our" all-black, all-racist basketball team in the Olympics.

 

[Sean Carlisle]

Me too. I loved it when Lithuiania(SP) beat "us" as well as PR(although black) and was it Spain or Argentina too? I know it was three losses yet they still managed a medal.

 

[foobar75]

I just hope a white team beats "our" all-black, all-racist basketball team in the Olympics.

Are you so blinded by hatred that you'd root against your country? Like I said in my other post, this isn't the Williams sisters or LaShawn Merritt we're talking about here. There's no Iverson or Marbury on this team. It's made up mostly of solid citizens, not thugs or gang-bangers.


Plus, unlike the NFL where we still have some decent white representation at crucial positions like QB, OL, DE, TE, in the NBA, there are hardly any decent American born white players left. All the good white players are non-Americans, so this all-black team is our best chance to win the gold medal. Or, do you think we should have included scrubs like Luke Ridnour and Nick Collison just to have a couple of token white players? The only deserving white player whom I feel was left out is Mike Miller. If there were dime-a-dozen all-star caliber American white players in the NBA, and we still picked an all-black team, you better believe I'd be rooting against them, and hope either Spain or Argentina knock them out in the medal round. But as it stands, this was the best possible team we could pick, and they all happen to be black.


And since this is the Olympics, I put my patriot hat on, and hope Team USA wins the gold.

 

[Guest]

I think for most of us, we aren't rooting against the team because of the individual players, although I think you are overlooking some serious character flaws in at least a few players, such as K. Bryant and J. Kidd.

The problem is, the national team represents the working of a corrupt system, we call it the caste system, that discriminates against and denigrates Whites at every level. The end result of the corrupt system is the perception that Whites aren't as good as basketball, and an all-black team is the only option.

We glory in the success of the international White teams because they demonstrate that our system is corrupt and discriminatory. We can point it out all we want, but the casual fan only sees the guys on the court, and probably honestly believes the system is a level playing field.

Since your eyes seem like they have not been opened yet, let me give you one case in point: Steve Nash. Nash is proven to be one of the best basketball players on the planet, but he was only offered a scholarship to one college. What if he had not been given that one offer? How many other White athletes didn't get that scholarship offer? How many others got one only to see themselves buried on the bench, never getting the chance to prove themselves? When you look into the details, it turns out, a lot of them!

Let me ask you this: How can you explain why America had tons of White all-stars throughout the 60's, 70's, and 80's, but we haven't had any since? The races haven't changed, what has changed is the system.

Whites are no longer being developed in America because of perceived lack-of-athleticism (which can often be demonstrated false by objective measurements, btw), or being stereotyped as "soft" (no less than Charles Barkley called out that false stereotype) or some other racist stereotype.

This may sound a bit harsh, but when you, a White man, put on your "patriot hat" at the Olympics, you are just like a black slave who fought for the Confederacy in the Civil War. Your father, your uncles, your cousins, your brothers, your sons, and yourself, are all being screwed over and denigrated by the current system.I would suggest that you wake up and start doing something about it.

Welcome to Caste Football!

 

[KG2422]

I care more about my race than I do my country. I don't really like the policies this country has had for the past 50 years. If it wasn't for the Bill of Rights there wouldn't much to like about this country at all.

 

[Matra1]

The ruling class utilizes the old patriotic loyalty to country that white Americans retain to serve multicultural and foreign policy interests rather than the interests of those who built America and keep it going today.

Look at how many whites have been conned into thinking democracy in Iraq matters while nothing is done about racial violence, black quarterbacks, and mass immigration at home. White European-Americans of Christian heritage are told to put country first and wave Old Glory while every other race, ethnic group, and religion in America puts its own self-interest ahead of country.

Would the more than 95% of black Americans who plan on voting for Obama exclusively because of his race cheer for an all-white US sports team against a black African team?

 

[Guest]

Another White NBA player goes to Europe today: Nenad Krstic.

Krstic has signed a two-year contract worth about $9 million annually to play for Triumph Moscow.

His agent tried to find an NBA team willing to pay Krstic at least a mid-level contract to keep him in the NBA.

However, with no deal in place, Krstic becomes the sixth foreign-born player to sign for a team outside the NBA this summer, joining former teammate Bostjan Nachbar, Juan Carlos Navarro, Jorge Garbajosa, Carlos Delfino and Primoz Brezec.

 

[Sean Carlisle]

Race first, nation second. That use to be one and the same but allowing our major cities to become door mats for the world has alterred that. When earlier Americans referred to this land as a melting pot they were thinking of it as being a European melting pot. It went without the need to be specifyied that the notion meant anything else.

Even early Americans had the good common sense to know that non whites would undermine us. Naturally non whites look out for their own kind over others. We should be the same way. That is why they stopped slave importation hundreds of years ago and banned Asian immigration finally in the 1920s.

At one time we needed immigrants to build this nation since there were so few people and so much land. Things have change. There is still a lot of open land but we don't need more people to settle it and work it. We have enough people here to do the work. Americans will do the work but they are not going to do it for substantially less than minimum wage as illegals do. Bush sells out to big business and the religious conservatives on the right so big business can continue to exploit cheap illegal labor and the liberals think they are doing good in leaving the borders open so we have no one willing to enforce immigration laws and secure the border.

On a very positive note in recent years I think all the political status quo establishment has been surprised by the showing of the will of the American people to resist having their Congressmen enact amnesty legislation. I think they underestimated our resolve. It shows there is a lot of hope.

 

[Guest]

In a reversal of white flight, Walter Hermann signs a 1-year deal with the Pistons. He was an unrestricted free agent, but salary terms were not released.

Herrmann, a 29-year-old Argentine, appeared in only 28 games for the Pistons, but the team likes his size, toughness and three-point ability. He averaged 7.1 minutes and 3.0 points per game for Detroit

 

[Guest]

Carlos Arroyo joins the white flight movement today, signing with Maccabi Tel Aviv in the Israel league. It is a one-year deal, terms not released.

Goodbye and good luck, Carlos. My first question: does this mean Reddick will get more minutes?