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whiteathlete33
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The knock on Crick was that he wouldn't be able to produce without Suh. Well he may actually have more tackles this year by seasons end as well as a very similar sack total. Ironically some draft sites have his draft stock dropping.
Suh's numbers as a senior: 82 total 47 solo 35 assists 12 sacks (with Crick's 9 sacks next to him)
Crick without Suh, so far: 70 total 28 solo 42 assists 9 sacks
so he can at match the production here with 2 more games to go. and all that without Suh next to him.
Crick without Suh, so far: 70 total 28 solo 42 assists 9 sacks
so he can at match the production here with 2 more games to go. and all that without Suh next to him.
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Are Suh's numbers counting towards the Big 12 Championship game and The Holiday Bowl? If they are, Crick should easily pass his numbers.
Even Suh himself said Crick would be just as good or better than him.Edited by: Jack Lambert
Even Suh himself said Crick would be just as good or better than him.Edited by: Jack Lambert
Deadlift
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Karl Klug is definitely "NFL material."
I know Mitch King went undrafted.. but Sean Lissemore, of William & Mary, did get drafted. I think Karl Klug has a solid chance of being drafted, even if it's between Rounds 5-7.
I know Mitch King went undrafted.. but Sean Lissemore, of William & Mary, did get drafted. I think Karl Klug has a solid chance of being drafted, even if it's between Rounds 5-7.
Deadlift
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Bruce Miller, UCF: 7 tackles (6 solo)!!
Matt Milner, East Carolina: 7 tackles (4 solo)!
Jared Crick, Nebraska: 7 tackles and a sack!!
J.J. Watt, Wisconsin: 6 tackles and an INT for 15 yards!!
Myles Caragein, Pittsburgh: 6 tackles and a sack!!
Bjoern Werner, Florida State: 5 tackles
J.R. Sweezy, NC State: 4 tackles and 2 sacks!!
Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue: 4 tackles and a sack!
Margus Hunt, SMU: 4 tackles and a sack!
Derek Wolfe, Cinci: 3 tackles and a sack
Chas Alecxih, Pittsburgh: 3 tackles
Matt Conrath, Virginia: 2 tackles and a sack
Jeff Rieskamp, NC State: 2 tackles and a sack
Matt Milner, East Carolina: 7 tackles (4 solo)!
Jared Crick, Nebraska: 7 tackles and a sack!!
J.J. Watt, Wisconsin: 6 tackles and an INT for 15 yards!!
Myles Caragein, Pittsburgh: 6 tackles and a sack!!
Bjoern Werner, Florida State: 5 tackles
J.R. Sweezy, NC State: 4 tackles and 2 sacks!!
Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue: 4 tackles and a sack!
Margus Hunt, SMU: 4 tackles and a sack!
Derek Wolfe, Cinci: 3 tackles and a sack
Chas Alecxih, Pittsburgh: 3 tackles
Matt Conrath, Virginia: 2 tackles and a sack
Jeff Rieskamp, NC State: 2 tackles and a sack
celticdb15
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Check out this caste titled article..
<H3>Still more for Elmore: Arizona defensive end will out-work anyone for NFL shot</H3>by Anthony Gimino on Dec. 08, 2010, under Sports
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UA defensive end Ricky Elmore fires up his teammates late in the game against Iowa.
Photo by Chris Morrison-US PRESSWIRE
Senior defensive end Ricky Elmore was the last Arizona Wildcat off the field last Thursday night. Helmet still on, Arizona State fans celebrating in the stands, he trudged toward the locker room.
"I just didn't want to leave,"Â he said later in the interview room, choking up on the emotion.
"I wouldn't have come off unless they had made me. I would have sat out there and just waited for everyone to leave. It's rough. It's the last time I was going to play in front of those fans. The last time I was going to play on that field."Â
Following that 30-29 double-overtime loss to the Sun Devils, Elmore has one more game on the field for Arizona â€" the Dec. 29 matchup against Oklahoma State in the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio.
For the past three seasons as a starter, Elmore has been the football twin of senior end Brooks Reed. High energy. A hustler. They might not be the most physically gifted defensive ends â€" not quite the NFL <NOBR>prototype<OBR> â€" but they sure know how to carve out paths to quarterback.
Nobody in the Pac-10 has done that better than Elmore in the past two seasons.
He had 11.5 sacks in 2009, edged out for the league lead by Oregon's Kenny Rowe. Elmore, who had three sacks of ASU's Brock Osweiler, leads the Pac-10 this season with 11 sacks.
And yet he was just honorable mention all-conference last season and was a second-team choice this year.
He was asked after the ASU game if he had received any <NOBR>invitations<OBR> to postseason all-star games, where he could showcase his abilities for NFL scouts.
"I don't know,"Â he said, turning to a member of the Arizona sports information office. "Have I?"Â
Sounds like a no. At least as of last week.
"I mean, if I do, I'll be very grateful,"Â Elmore said.
"I believe I'm the kind of guy who has been under the radar. But, you know, the thing that has always worked for me is ‘my back is against the wall, it's me against the world.'
"I'm going to fight harder than all those other guys. If I get an invite, that's great. If not, I'm still going to work just as hard, if not harder, than all those other guys that are there."Â
Elmore figures to get his chances. Reed and Elmore are actually on the NFL scouts' radar. Reed, who is 6-foot-3, might have to transition to an outside linebacker role to stick in the pros.
But Rob Rang, a senior analyst for NFLDraftScout.com, said Elmore has a chance to stay at defensive end in a 4-3 scheme. Elmore, listed at 6-5 and 250 pounds, has more length than Reed.
"You can put a little bit of weight on him and he can stay at that position,"Â Rang said.
Rang has scouted several of Arizona games this season, including the matchup against Arizona State.
"He showed more flexibility that I gave him credit for,"Â Rang said of Elmore.
"It's easy to say, ‘yeah, he had three sacks,' but he had a good game. He was consistently beating the tackle with his burst and he showed his flexibility. He was able to drop his shoulder, get under the tackle's reach and then turn to the quarterback and close. There aren't many 6-5 guys who can bend like that."Â
NFLDraftScout.com lists Elmore as a fifth-round projection for now. Rang says Elmore has a higher ceiling than that, comparing him to former Washington defensive end Daniel Te'o-Nesheim.
Neither player has what Rang calls an elite first step, but their technique and non-stop motor allows them to be successful. Te'o-Nesheim used impressive postseason workouts last season to move up to the third round (No. 86 overall).
In the meantime, Elmore has to turn his focus toward Oklahoma State, which is the national leader in total offense at 537.58 yards per game.
Perhaps when he leaves the field at the Alamodome, he'll have a different feeling than he did last week.
"It's just that after five years, you put a lot of work into what you do, and this becomes a home,"Â Elmore said. "You didn't want to go out like that."Â<OBR>Edited by: celticdb15
<H3>Still more for Elmore: Arizona defensive end will out-work anyone for NFL shot</H3>by Anthony Gimino on Dec. 08, 2010, under Sports
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UA defensive end Ricky Elmore fires up his teammates late in the game against Iowa.
Photo by Chris Morrison-US PRESSWIRE
Senior defensive end Ricky Elmore was the last Arizona Wildcat off the field last Thursday night. Helmet still on, Arizona State fans celebrating in the stands, he trudged toward the locker room.
"I just didn't want to leave,"Â he said later in the interview room, choking up on the emotion.
"I wouldn't have come off unless they had made me. I would have sat out there and just waited for everyone to leave. It's rough. It's the last time I was going to play in front of those fans. The last time I was going to play on that field."Â
Following that 30-29 double-overtime loss to the Sun Devils, Elmore has one more game on the field for Arizona â€" the Dec. 29 matchup against Oklahoma State in the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio.
For the past three seasons as a starter, Elmore has been the football twin of senior end Brooks Reed. High energy. A hustler. They might not be the most physically gifted defensive ends â€" not quite the NFL <NOBR>prototype<OBR> â€" but they sure know how to carve out paths to quarterback.
Nobody in the Pac-10 has done that better than Elmore in the past two seasons.
He had 11.5 sacks in 2009, edged out for the league lead by Oregon's Kenny Rowe. Elmore, who had three sacks of ASU's Brock Osweiler, leads the Pac-10 this season with 11 sacks.
And yet he was just honorable mention all-conference last season and was a second-team choice this year.
He was asked after the ASU game if he had received any <NOBR>invitations<OBR> to postseason all-star games, where he could showcase his abilities for NFL scouts.
"I don't know,"Â he said, turning to a member of the Arizona sports information office. "Have I?"Â
Sounds like a no. At least as of last week.
"I mean, if I do, I'll be very grateful,"Â Elmore said.
"I believe I'm the kind of guy who has been under the radar. But, you know, the thing that has always worked for me is ‘my back is against the wall, it's me against the world.'
"I'm going to fight harder than all those other guys. If I get an invite, that's great. If not, I'm still going to work just as hard, if not harder, than all those other guys that are there."Â
Elmore figures to get his chances. Reed and Elmore are actually on the NFL scouts' radar. Reed, who is 6-foot-3, might have to transition to an outside linebacker role to stick in the pros.
But Rob Rang, a senior analyst for NFLDraftScout.com, said Elmore has a chance to stay at defensive end in a 4-3 scheme. Elmore, listed at 6-5 and 250 pounds, has more length than Reed.
"You can put a little bit of weight on him and he can stay at that position,"Â Rang said.
Rang has scouted several of Arizona games this season, including the matchup against Arizona State.
"He showed more flexibility that I gave him credit for,"Â Rang said of Elmore.
"It's easy to say, ‘yeah, he had three sacks,' but he had a good game. He was consistently beating the tackle with his burst and he showed his flexibility. He was able to drop his shoulder, get under the tackle's reach and then turn to the quarterback and close. There aren't many 6-5 guys who can bend like that."Â
NFLDraftScout.com lists Elmore as a fifth-round projection for now. Rang says Elmore has a higher ceiling than that, comparing him to former Washington defensive end Daniel Te'o-Nesheim.
Neither player has what Rang calls an elite first step, but their technique and non-stop motor allows them to be successful. Te'o-Nesheim used impressive postseason workouts last season to move up to the third round (No. 86 overall).
In the meantime, Elmore has to turn his focus toward Oklahoma State, which is the national leader in total offense at 537.58 yards per game.
Perhaps when he leaves the field at the Alamodome, he'll have a different feeling than he did last week.
"It's just that after five years, you put a lot of work into what you do, and this becomes a home,"Â Elmore said. "You didn't want to go out like that."Â<OBR>Edited by: celticdb15
whiteathlete33
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High energy and hustler? Typical caste speak. Anthony Gimino is obviously a caste clown who knows nothing about football.1q
FootballDad
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The sentence that gets me, even more than the caste-speak mentioned by whiteathlete33, is this:
"They might not be the most physically gifted defensive ends - not quite the NFL"
And what might be the "writer"s criteria for that statement? A 6'5" 250# defensive end, with outstanding measurables, and proven production at college football's highest level.... yet "not quite the NFL"??? Oh right, maybe something to do with melanin deficiency.
"They might not be the most physically gifted defensive ends - not quite the NFL"
And what might be the "writer"s criteria for that statement? A 6'5" 250# defensive end, with outstanding measurables, and proven production at college football's highest level.... yet "not quite the NFL"??? Oh right, maybe something to do with melanin deficiency.
Deadlift
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Bruce Miller had 4 tackles and 2 sacks against SMU! Not bad for an athlete that "nobody wanted"..
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This years draft shouldbe a big improvement in regards to white d-linemen! Im excited gentlemen
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Ryan Kerrigan really sums up the caste system. It seems being productive doesn't really count for anything (believe he is top for tackles for loss, and second for sacks). Almost every time you read a draft report you have to hear how unathletic he is despite his production. How he got all these sacks and tackles for loss I'll never know, clearly not through any physical ability. So many comments you could choose to highlight the barriers a white defensive playermust face butthis from Dave te-Thomas really sums up it up "He might not be the most athletic-looking defensive end in a draft class featuring a slew of stud types, but consistency and a high motor will get him far in the NFL". <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
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Pathetic. Exactly the sort of playerwho should be able tofollow in the footsteps of Jared Allen, Patrick Kerney etc as an elite DE in the NFL. Oneof the msot exciting prospects in the draft imo
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whiteathlete33
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Welcome to Castefootball, Englishcrusader. We are very familiar with Ryan Kerrigan on this site. You are very right about the refusal to acknowledge his athleticism. On the plus side his draft stock has soared with his impressive stats this season. He should be a first round pick.
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whiteathlete33 said:
Yeah just saw a mock draft with him going to the Chargers in the 1st round.He would tear it up as an outside linebacker in that scheme!!
