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Does anyone know of any white prospects at CB with a chance of making an NFL team?
I have been browsing NFL Europe rosters and found nothing.
I have been browsing NFL Europe rosters and found nothing.
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Hey Devans, I dont know of any at this time. Nate Soelberg (sp?) might be a draftable prospect. He is from BYU and they had their pro day today so if any scouts see him and find him intriguing I could see them taking a shot at him. He runs in the 4.2's for his 40 yd dash so that has to get someones attention. Steven Gregory from Syracyse is another white cb who is a longshot to get drafted but could be drafted late of signed as a rookie free agent. Rob Lee is currently with the Bills but I dont know if he is a safety of cb. Dustin Fox has the potential to be a starting CB in the NFL but was injured in his rookie year and is a victim of the caste since he is being put at safety. Hope this helps.
Rob Lee has shifted to safety and is playing for Frankfurt in NFL Europe this upcoming season. From DraftDaddy:
"DB Rob Lee ~ Frankfurt/Buffalo -- After a big time Pro Day in 2005, we thought the athletic Lee from Northern Illinois deserved to be drafted. He wasn't, but he signed with the Bills and spent a season on their practice squad. College cornerback with terrific speed and decent size at 6' 1", 195 pounds, making the move to safety. Should be one of the better athletes in Europe."
"DB Rob Lee ~ Frankfurt/Buffalo -- After a big time Pro Day in 2005, we thought the athletic Lee from Northern Illinois deserved to be drafted. He wasn't, but he signed with the Bills and spent a season on their practice squad. College cornerback with terrific speed and decent size at 6' 1", 195 pounds, making the move to safety. Should be one of the better athletes in Europe."
Jimmy Chitwood
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cornerback Andrew Pace of Vanderbilt was the best DB in the Speaks Ebonics Conference this past season on the field, but barely got any postseason recognition at all. he ran a 4.4-40 in high school and started every game over the last 3 seasons at strong safety and then corner this year. he's huge for a corner 6'0", 200lbs.
so of course he's not being talked about as a possible draft pick. the BS continues...
so of course he's not being talked about as a possible draft pick. the BS continues...
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and i almost forgot Josh Golden from Arizona State. you know, the guy who caught the "fastest" man in college football, Reggie Bush, from behind last year. oh wait, almost nobody knows about that, except of course people who pay attention and those of us at Caste Football.
somehow, you'd think those idiots who make their living studying football would pick up on a trend here...
but of course this thread is about white corners who could get drafted, and sadly all of these guys stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning.
somehow, you'd think those idiots who make their living studying football would pick up on a trend here...
but of course this thread is about white corners who could get drafted, and sadly all of these guys stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning.
devans
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Thanks to everyone for the info...
Keep it coming.
I think CB is the most important position in Football for white athletes to break through into.
Keep it coming.
I think CB is the most important position in Football for white athletes to break through into.
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Hopefully Nick Turnbull can get a chance as a late round free guy. He is versatile and can play S and CB. There seems to be a little buzz around him now.
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http://vikings.scout.com/2/517957.html
Score 1 for the White Cornerbacks!
"Second-year player Dustin Fox, who spent last year on injured reserve, was playing cornerback instead of his listed position of safety."
Score 1 for the White Cornerbacks!
"Second-year player Dustin Fox, who spent last year on injured reserve, was playing cornerback instead of his listed position of safety."
Maybe things are changing in Minnesota. Mike Tice will probably have a heart attack when he finds out!
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Way to go Dustin.We need another Jason Sehorn type to help try and break up the exclusive cornerback club.Maybe he can eventually start and Rob Lee and some others can make a some noise too!
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oh nice, best news ive heard in awhile. I am slowly becoming a Vikings fan...hopefully they draft a good qb like Croyle or Whitehurst. Good luck Dustin!
This doesn't really belong in a CB thread, but with all the talk about Fox and the Vikings there is more good news from Minnesota; they have just signed Ryan Hoag WR.
Hoag is 6'2" 200 lbs, timed at 4.42, and has a 40" vertical.
hoag sourceEdited by: Kaptain Poop
Hoag is 6'2" 200 lbs, timed at 4.42, and has a 40" vertical.
hoag sourceEdited by: Kaptain Poop
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I think Hoag is mixed...here is some more on dustin fox, i got it from a link on dd
Corner shuffle
Coming into this weekend I was interested in seeing who the team had at the cornerback position. Obviously, Antoine Winfield and Fred Smoot are solid favorites to start at each corner. However, the third corner, an important position on every team, looks to be up for grabs. Currently, Devonte Edwards and Dustin Fox are seeing most of the time there. Fox, drafted out of Ohio State in last year's NFL Draft actually played corner in college, but was moved to safety going into last season. However, a fluke injury cost Fox the season and he didn't see much of the field after training camp.
This season, the coaching staff has moved Fox to corner.
"Mike [Tomlin] said that in Tampa last year they had me as a corner on their draft board, so they moved me to corner when they first got here," Fox said after the morning's practice session. "And I'm totally comfortable with that. It's nice to be back home."
Corner shuffle
Coming into this weekend I was interested in seeing who the team had at the cornerback position. Obviously, Antoine Winfield and Fred Smoot are solid favorites to start at each corner. However, the third corner, an important position on every team, looks to be up for grabs. Currently, Devonte Edwards and Dustin Fox are seeing most of the time there. Fox, drafted out of Ohio State in last year's NFL Draft actually played corner in college, but was moved to safety going into last season. However, a fluke injury cost Fox the season and he didn't see much of the field after training camp.
This season, the coaching staff has moved Fox to corner.
"Mike [Tomlin] said that in Tampa last year they had me as a corner on their draft board, so they moved me to corner when they first got here," Fox said after the morning's practice session. "And I'm totally comfortable with that. It's nice to be back home."
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Actually I have a superbowl on VHS where Minnesotta started two white safeties and one corner and Miami did the same thing..........
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That's a very good point whiteCB.I really want to see Fox get a legit chance to play the corner in Minnesota.It is all about perception.We know he is athletic enough to play there.He just needs the chance.If he can win the 3rd spot,he should get quite a bit of playing time this season.Go Dustin!
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It will surprise me if Fox actually plays CB this regular season. On the other hand, if he can maintain his CB spot, he will re-integrate the position, and that is a good thing no matter if he is playing or not.
I think Fox will surprise everybody on the Vikings with his great athletic ability(4.44 40 and 40 in vertical) forcing them to realize that he does need to be at CB. He is without a doubt capable of being the 3rd CB on the team and so he'll see alot of playing time in nickel and dime packages. Also he'll only be one play away from being a starter if Clements or Smoot get injured.
Fox has good size (listed at 6'ft, 190) as well as speed, which should be in demand considering the increase in the size of the receivers over the last couple of years and was a three year starter at a big time school, so the level of competition is not an issue.....
You would think that would be enough to get him a fair shot.
You would think that would be enough to get him a fair shot.
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Here is an article from Viking Update (Scout.com) on Dustin Fox.
A Cornered Fox Turns Happy
Dustin Fox By: Tim Yotter
Date: Apr 23, 2006
The Vikings have moved Dustin Fox back to the cornerback position, which has the second-year pro smiling ... and looking for a role to play in the team's new defensive scheme.
Even before Dustin Fox spoke his answer to the first question we addressed to him about moving from safety to cornerback, the answer was written all over his face with his million-dollar smile.
"I'm lovin' it. I'm back home. It feels natural," Fox said.
After a year of being cast a safety by the Vikings' former coaching staff, Fox was playing cornerback full-time at the team's opening minicamp earlier this month. His 2005 season of frustration is behind him, and he's ready to move forward with a clean bill of health and his new position that is actually more familiar to him.
Fox had been playing cornerback since his sophomore year at Ohio State, but when the Vikings drafted him in 2005, they saw him first as a safety. His professional career started by not being able to attend most of the minicamp sessions because of an NFL rule that states a rookie's school must be done before he can attend voluntary workout sessions.
That put Fox in a hole early as a rookie. When he broke his arm early in a training camp practice and was placed on injured reserve, that capped a season that never really got started.
"The biggest thing for me going back to corner ... if I was playing safety (again) it might have been hard because I missed a year," he said about starting all over again ... kind of. "After that first practice, I feel like I'm starting to get it down again."
Fox was playing mainly the nickel cornerback in the Vikings' second-team defense. While the first-team nickel defensive featured Fred Smoot and 2005 undrafted rookie Dovonte Edwards on the outside and veteran Antoine Winfield defending the slot, Fox is hoping to find a role somewhere in the cornerback rotation.
He said the team informed him of his move back to cornerback after the new coaching staff, including defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin, was hired.
"Mike and them, when they were recruiting me in the draft last year (as coaches for Tampa Bay), they wanted me as a corner at Tampa. I guess they feel that's where I'm best-suited and I feel comfortable there. I like it. It feels like it's home," he said.
Last year, the Vikings had a low-key Ted Cottrell as their defensive coordinator. This year, things on the practice field are quite different. Brad Childress is head coach, patrolling an organized practice, while Tomlin is the high-energy defensive coordinator, throwing away one stick of gum and replacing it with another before two downs of practice are completed.
With Tomlin's t-shirt turning two-tone gray with sweat, he coaches fundamentals and attention to detail.
"A new coach comes in, it takes a little while and you feel each other out for a little bit, but so far Mike is just a phenomenal coach. You can tell from Day One the way that he motivates, he's such a good leader, he's a young guy. He's got a great motor," Fox said. "He's just constantly going, the guy doesn't stop, which is great for us because when we get tired we've got someone to look to and to keep us going.
"He's sweating. He's just such a great motivator and that helps us. Seriously, when we get tired, he's saying, 'Let's go, let's go.' That gets you going."
Although it's still very early in the implementation process of the Vikings' new Tampa-2 defensive scheme, players like the approach, according to Fox.
"Everyone is taking heed to it and likes the scheme, especially the way the coaches explain what we're doing and everyone understanding why we're doing it," Fox said. "That helps us out a lot. Everyone buys into what the coaches are telling us, and that's important."
It's not as complicated as you would think. It's more technique, fundamentals. Working hard, running to the ball, things like that - the fundamental things that help you become a successful defense are the most important things in this type of scheme."
In their first practices together, defensive coaches were imploring players to give effort even after the play was over. If a ball hit the ground on an incompletion, defenders were instructed to pick it up and start on a return, much like they would in if the ball were intercepted.
It took a little time in the team's initial practice to get that message ingrained, but by the Vikings' second day of practice, it looked like old hat to the new players.
"The way we talk about it, it's just muscle memory. If you practice like this when you're running to the ball and you get into a game, it's second nature," Fox said. "The coaches are getting mad at us if we're not doing it yet because it's not natural. It's just training your muscles to do that and you're training your mind to do that and eventually we'll all be moving fast and 100 percent to the ball every time."
The schemes the Vikings were implementing in their first minicamp were pretty basic, but the ideals of hustling all the time were the ones coaches were looking for, according to Fox.
And that cornerback - yes, cornerback - couldn't have been happier to be back on the field and back a position to which he had become accustomed.
A Cornered Fox Turns Happy
Dustin Fox By: Tim Yotter
Date: Apr 23, 2006
The Vikings have moved Dustin Fox back to the cornerback position, which has the second-year pro smiling ... and looking for a role to play in the team's new defensive scheme.
Even before Dustin Fox spoke his answer to the first question we addressed to him about moving from safety to cornerback, the answer was written all over his face with his million-dollar smile.
"I'm lovin' it. I'm back home. It feels natural," Fox said.
After a year of being cast a safety by the Vikings' former coaching staff, Fox was playing cornerback full-time at the team's opening minicamp earlier this month. His 2005 season of frustration is behind him, and he's ready to move forward with a clean bill of health and his new position that is actually more familiar to him.
Fox had been playing cornerback since his sophomore year at Ohio State, but when the Vikings drafted him in 2005, they saw him first as a safety. His professional career started by not being able to attend most of the minicamp sessions because of an NFL rule that states a rookie's school must be done before he can attend voluntary workout sessions.
That put Fox in a hole early as a rookie. When he broke his arm early in a training camp practice and was placed on injured reserve, that capped a season that never really got started.
"The biggest thing for me going back to corner ... if I was playing safety (again) it might have been hard because I missed a year," he said about starting all over again ... kind of. "After that first practice, I feel like I'm starting to get it down again."
Fox was playing mainly the nickel cornerback in the Vikings' second-team defense. While the first-team nickel defensive featured Fred Smoot and 2005 undrafted rookie Dovonte Edwards on the outside and veteran Antoine Winfield defending the slot, Fox is hoping to find a role somewhere in the cornerback rotation.
He said the team informed him of his move back to cornerback after the new coaching staff, including defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin, was hired.
"Mike and them, when they were recruiting me in the draft last year (as coaches for Tampa Bay), they wanted me as a corner at Tampa. I guess they feel that's where I'm best-suited and I feel comfortable there. I like it. It feels like it's home," he said.
Last year, the Vikings had a low-key Ted Cottrell as their defensive coordinator. This year, things on the practice field are quite different. Brad Childress is head coach, patrolling an organized practice, while Tomlin is the high-energy defensive coordinator, throwing away one stick of gum and replacing it with another before two downs of practice are completed.
With Tomlin's t-shirt turning two-tone gray with sweat, he coaches fundamentals and attention to detail.
"A new coach comes in, it takes a little while and you feel each other out for a little bit, but so far Mike is just a phenomenal coach. You can tell from Day One the way that he motivates, he's such a good leader, he's a young guy. He's got a great motor," Fox said. "He's just constantly going, the guy doesn't stop, which is great for us because when we get tired we've got someone to look to and to keep us going.
"He's sweating. He's just such a great motivator and that helps us. Seriously, when we get tired, he's saying, 'Let's go, let's go.' That gets you going."
Although it's still very early in the implementation process of the Vikings' new Tampa-2 defensive scheme, players like the approach, according to Fox.
"Everyone is taking heed to it and likes the scheme, especially the way the coaches explain what we're doing and everyone understanding why we're doing it," Fox said. "That helps us out a lot. Everyone buys into what the coaches are telling us, and that's important."
It's not as complicated as you would think. It's more technique, fundamentals. Working hard, running to the ball, things like that - the fundamental things that help you become a successful defense are the most important things in this type of scheme."
In their first practices together, defensive coaches were imploring players to give effort even after the play was over. If a ball hit the ground on an incompletion, defenders were instructed to pick it up and start on a return, much like they would in if the ball were intercepted.
It took a little time in the team's initial practice to get that message ingrained, but by the Vikings' second day of practice, it looked like old hat to the new players.
"The way we talk about it, it's just muscle memory. If you practice like this when you're running to the ball and you get into a game, it's second nature," Fox said. "The coaches are getting mad at us if we're not doing it yet because it's not natural. It's just training your muscles to do that and you're training your mind to do that and eventually we'll all be moving fast and 100 percent to the ball every time."
The schemes the Vikings were implementing in their first minicamp were pretty basic, but the ideals of hustling all the time were the ones coaches were looking for, according to Fox.
And that cornerback - yes, cornerback - couldn't have been happier to be back on the field and back a position to which he had become accustomed.
